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Jesus going to borrow "Michael's" voice?.. nah.. the Lord himself shall descend with a shout, the voice of the archangel, the Lord himself shall (shout). Archangel means, over the angels, doesn't mean archangel is an angel.

GOD is light, and in Him is no darkness at all-1Jo.1:5.The Word is GOD from everlasting to everlasting,self-executing.

The Word of GOD is quick,and powerful,and sharper than any twoedged sword,piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,and of the joints and marrow,and is a DISCERNER of the THOUGHTS and INTENTS of the heart-the Word is GOD-, neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight:but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we must render an account-Heb.4:12-13.

By the way,Jeremiah says:The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked:who can know it?I the Lord search the heart,I try the reins,even to give every MAN according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings-Jer.17:9-10.

The Word made flesh,the Word is GOD,self-executing,He who calls Himself JESUS,He Himself said:...that which cometh out of the mouth,this defileth a man-Mt.15:11.Death and life are in the power of the tongue-Prov.18:21.

JESUS said more:Mt.15:18-19:

18But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart;and they defile the man.

19For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts,false witness, murders,adulteries,fornications,thefts,blasphemies:

For meditation and testify:

Death and life are in the power of the tongue.

We could or can understand that everyone dies through the mouth.

Compare this deep mystery of the death with Romans 3:12-18, combined with James 3:1-12,mainly verses 5to8.

But what does the Word of GOD say?1Cor.15:26->The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.Now, now, the death is an ENEMY,

so we must fight against this ENEMY and be transformed, knowing that the sting of death is sin- Matthew 15:19;the strength of sin is the Law. Yes, transformed and be changed( Philippians 3:20-21),for this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality,understand?

But thanks be to GOD, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Error: In my last post I meant the second wife of MOSES. In questioning this she not only could be said to be discriminating RACIALLY; but also it involved cultural assimilation which she was stubborn about. The big point as well would be Moses and his authority which was questioned in Numbers 12. She felt that herself and Aaron should have more say; and we can remember the verse "rebellion is as witchcraft" in such actions ( 1 Samuel 15:23). It makes one wonder what went down when Aaron was honoring the golden calf when Moses was in the mountains the first 40 days and nights as to the silence of Miriam with such disgraceful condescension; again a warning to women in leadership.

The Role of Male leadership in the Church

The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. ( Genesis 49:10)

If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. ( 1 Peter 4:11)

When taking a look at scripture; there are roles women play as Prophetess; prayer; teaching children; or the "virtuous woman" summing up Proverbs 31. When it comes to the 10 Commandments and the laws of the Lord in the Old Testament; or the rules about women remaining silent in the New Testament ( 1 Corinthians 14:34-35) it seems in regard to instruction in law continues as a man's responsibility. That would have further implications in regard to teaching established DOCTRINE related to the law; or the Gospel of Grace which expounds the full meaning of what is concealed in the Old Testament but revealed fully now.

When we try to fully grasp these concepts in human understanding; of course we fall short. An example that gives us insight is in Exodus 15:20 which shows Miriam; the older sister of Moses and Aaron as the first Prophetess in scripture. We could say in some way that Moses acted as the first Prophet in the Bible; at least in predicting what would happen to Israel in the last days in Deuteronomy 4; but Deuteronomy 18 talks about the coming Prophet like Moses who must be heeded (Christ). Technically Abraham was called a Prophet; the first example in the Bible but his predictions were toward his descendants when giving the family blessings at his death.

We see with Miriam that she foolishly spoke out about the second wife of Abraham of African descent and was struck with leprosy temporarily. Her best moment was in the role of the victory song as they crossed the Red Sea.

Heavenly Father, I pray for healing for Debbie's husband, mother and brother. I pray that You bless Debbie with strength, endurance, encouragement.

In the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ.

Debbie, I will continue praying for you everyday. God bless you. Amen

Ronald Whittemore

no surprise, I already knew

Dear Adam

English is not my native language,for me it's harder to speak of the theories of man-made than to speak of the Word of GOD.

To those that say age of the Earth is around 14 billions of years,we can counter argue that the number is not accurate,although to the common man it could be, the gods of this world(the common men made of the dust of the earth- Genesis 2:19)have blinded the minds of them which believe in them,believe in them which trie to plagiarize the science of the Most High and Almighty GOD, but the best of their conceptions in this field is nothing more than foolish conjectures and deceitful theories given by man-made scientific apparatus.

What we belivers must say to the atheists is that the age of the Earth is much much more than that billions of years age they claim.This assert lefts them very astonished,of course.What we must say to the atheists in the reply, is that the age pointed in their posts is the maximum limit that man-made scientific apparatus or measuring equipments of the scientists is ABLE to measure.So it has nothing to do with the age of the Earth.We could say unto them or would say that for measuring the age of the Earth the men need to invent a scientific apparatus more qualified and ABLE to measure beyond or over of what has been measured by the scientists to this date, then the false current theory of the Earth's age will be changed for a new theory.I'm sure they will never get do it first because the Universe is a GOD's secret,second because they not know that the Devil's world in which they are living will END now,even now,from now on,it has been pre-determined to start in this current decade,it with great and traggic destruction as was previously prophesied-confirmed by Revelation 11:18-,whereof GOD has given assurance unto all men in His former secret book of Apocalypse-Re.1:1-,sealed with seven seals,which were revealed to JESUS and were broken and opened by Him around 65 years after His ascension.

GOD bless

Adam,

The Bible is not any book on our natural world. Dinosaurs ammonites all have their place. God is a Spirit and God's kingdom has its own rules as there are rules for grammar. Any one who would move in a polite society and wants to be looked up speaks as a cultured well educated person.So don'be drawn by atheists whose little knowledge is from Science that is incomplete. After Galileo they want only proof so they shall keep on driving a square block in round hole. Faith with works is simply trust in our Savior Lord and work as he would want us.

If one has the Son he has the Father as well. So understand the word of God by the indwelling Spirit and it is the only way.

Hey Oseas,

Our understanding of end times is quite different, thank you for your replies I was just wondering the meaning of what you said that was important to know who comes first, Michael or Jesus.

God bless,

RLW

please pray for me and my family

I added Hebrews 1:8 to my verses list, thank you. These are useful when human opinion drifts away from scripture to remind what the scripture actually says.

God (including Jesus) created everything, including what we call dinosaurs. These facts are not in conflict. If you believe they are and have a question about it maybe others can help.

Often atheists who practice the sciences are motivated to make claims of an old billions of years old earth, which is based on inaccurate carbon dating. As an example there have been relatively recent events, such as the Mt. Saint Helens eruption, that when similar science has been applied it dates the lava to being over a million years old, but we know it was from 1980.

2Thessalonians 1:7-10:

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord JESUS shall be REVEALED from heaven with His mighty angels, (for example, Michael. Daniel 12:1-3 combined with Revelation 12)

8 In FLAMING FIRE taking vengeance on them that know not GOD( Matthew 11:27), and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be PUNISHED with everlasting destruction( Revelation 11:18) from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His Power( Matthew 28:18);

10 When He shall come to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe...in this day. (The last Day, the seventh and last Day-this Day just arrived-, or seventh and last millennium)

1John 2:28 - And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Isaiah 33:10-14

10 Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.

11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.

12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.

13 Hear, ye that are far off(Gentile peoples), what I have done; and, ye that are near(Jewish people), acknowledge my might.

14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the DEVOURING FIRE? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? -> Hebrews 12:29- For our GOD is a consuming fire.

The Word is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?

Heavenly Father, You sent Your beloved Son Jesus Christ to heal Deb. We believe in Your love and mercy for Your children. Jesus by Your stripes I believe that Deb is healed.

Blessed be Your holy name Lord God Almighty.

Thank You Father God, thank You Jesus Christ and thank You Holy Spirit. Amen

I am asking for prayers for many:

My husband has Parkinsons, I am seeking prayer to slow down the progression of the disease

My mother of 84 is showing signs of dementia, confusion again I am seeking prayer to quiet her anger, find peace and slow down this disease.

My brother has Cancer, it has spread to his bone once I am seeking prayer to reduce his pain, and slow down his cancer.

I seek prayers for strength, wisdom and guidance to be there for them all. I seek prayer for a miracles of healing. I pray for all these thru Jesus Christ our Lord Amen

Thank you, May God bless you also. I hope things turn out well.

Rainwalker

JESUS is the KING of kings - kings made by He Himself - Re.1:8 and 5:10, and LORD of the lords. Michael is a lord, a Prince of GOD. JESUS sent him to the isle of Patmos-Re.1:1. Revelation 22:8-9 clarify: 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down TO WORSHIP before the feet of the ANGEL which shewed me these things. 9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship GOD.

JESUS is God- Hebrews 1:8, not an angel, nor Archangel. JESUS and Michael are two distincts persons. By the way, Michael the Archangel fought / contended against the Devil when he disputed about the body of Moses (by allegory we may understand Israel was the body of Moses), and now again he shall contend with the old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world, fighting/ disputing about the Body od Christ: now, even now, from now, in the time of Apocalypse, Satan now called red Dragon, he shall be cast out from this current heavenly environment- Ephesians 1:3-8- into the earth, and his messengers shall be also cast out with him.

Michael shall cast Satan into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more.

Be careful or else get ready

Ronald Whittemore

Paul prophesied:1Tessalonians 4:15

15We say unto you by the Word of the Lord,that we which are alive and remain unto the COMING of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep.

(Comment:Daniel prophesied:Dan.12:1

- At that time(END of Time) shall Michael stand up to fight against the red Dragon,whose satanic religious body has 7 heads,10 horns and a TAIL- Revelation 12:9-12;

- then there shall be a time of trouble (great tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time( Matthew 24:21);

- and at that time(current time)thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book ( Revelation 7:1-14).

Furthermore,in this current time or now,even now,from now on,the Devil shall be cast down into the bottomless pit(Re.20:1-3).

Daniel 12:2-THERE WILL BE RESURRECTION SIMULTANEOUSLY

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake(according to the prophecy of Isaiah 26:19-21.Take a look), some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Comment: So, there also shall be resurrection in fulfillment of prophecy of Isaiah combined with 1Thessalonians 4:16, as follow:

16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout (shall descend from the 3rd heaven,we believers are still in the 2nd heaven-Ephesians1:3-8 combined with Philippians 3:20-21),with the voice of the archangel-MICHAEL- , and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thes. 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds( Isaiah 60:8, and 1Corinthians 15:51 combined with Philippians 3:20-21 and Revelation 5:8-14), to meet the Lord in the air(in the 3rd heavenly environment-3rd heaven-far above of the current second heaven- Luke 20:35-36 combined with Matthew 25:6): and so shall we ever be with the Lord.(Where?- Revelation 11:15-18 and Re. 5:10, and Matthew 5:5, and John 17:24. Take a look).

That's for your meditation

By our hearts

According to Revelation 12 the emergence of Michael the Archangel is in direct connection to the appearance of The Woman. During the course of her ministry is where you will find Michael. Jesus comes next. Hope that helps.

If you ever have the free time, I recommend watching eternal security by David Brown on YouTube. Salvation does not depend upon whether we feel saved or not. It is anchored into who Jesus is and what he did for us.

Hi Karma, I've been in a very similar situation. I was struggling so bad with doubts about my own salvation, and it scared me so so much. One thing that was a huge help to me, was realizing that salvation doesn't depend on ME, I didn't earn it, so I definitely can't lose it on my own. Salvation is a FREE gift, given by the Lord Jesus Christ, and it's very simple.

The Bible says we're all sinners, (Roman's 3:23) and since God is a holy and just God our sin needs to be punished. God loves us so much, that while we were His enemy, He sent His only Son Jesus Christ to come and pay for our sins. He died for all of our sins, past, present and future. But He didn't stay dead. 3 days later Jesus Christ rose from the dead, proving His sacrifice for our sins was accepted by God. Now He offers salvation to us FREELY, all we have to do is believe and trust in what He has done.

Roman's 10:13 says "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

God made salvation so simple, that anyone can receive it. Baptism has nothing to do with salvation, praise God it depends on Him.

If you're not saved, you can be saved. You're living now, and the Bible says in John 6:37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." If you sincerely call upon the Lord, believing and trusting in only what He's done for you, He will save you. Simple as that. He won't cast you out.

Now is the day of salvation ( 2nd Corinthians 6:2). Romans 8:38-39 - Nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ

If salvation is based on something that I have to do tomorrow or have to not do tomorrow, or based upon MY performance/works as a Christian, then there's no way to know ur saved because there's no way to know what u will or won't do tomorrow. If we could lose our salvation, we would.

But if I'm trusting solely in what Jesus Christ has done, that is fixed, settled, and final, and that is eternal security.

I will pray for you

Hey Karma,

Amen to what Brother S Spencer has said, the tugs of this world are strong. Our life is shorter than we see it when we are young compared to eternity. Life in this world is so attractive, the thrills when we are young or old and we question how it is wrong to do this or that when it makes us feel good and happy. If we truly love God, the gift He will give when we confess that Jesus is the Son of God and that He died for our sins is way more than all the gold and riches and happiness this world can offer us.

We must decide if today is worth what eternity offers and the gift that is waiting for us from a loving Father whose love is more than we can imagine. You can do it by wrapping yourself in the word of God and being around people who can support you and if you slip and fall, He is waiting and will gladly pick you up in His loving arms.

God bless.

RLW

Hi Karma.

Mathew 18:20 says "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

A relationship with Christ Is not private, but communal, and the center of a person's relationship with Jesus is in the church. (Not necessarily the local Church but in the presence of other believers.

Read Hebrews 10:16-25.

We are to respond to his invitation and follow Jesus' example of how to live and treat others, giving him first place in your daily life.

A Desciples is someone who follows one's teachings.

In our rebirth Christ gave us his Spirit to guide us out of darkness.

Christ is faithful and said he will never leave you so your faith should be in his work on the cross not your baptism.

We pray to God for strength and wisdom and turn from the things that hinder us.

A Christian can not continue in sin!

God is love but he also is a righteous Judge.

He is rich in mercy forgiving iniquity, transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty;

Our salvation hangs on God's promise once we have believed on his son, Christ Jesus!

Have you truly trusted him in his finish work on the cross?

If so we are persuaded to love his precepts the Brothern.

Keep reading his word and obey him.

God bless.

Hey Rainwalker,

Thank you for your reply, I understand archangels are high-ranking angels and are called princes and Michael is the only one in the bible who is called an archangel. Like in the military, the word would be given to the general/archangel and his voice is who the angels and us would hear. Michael is at the top ranking as we see in Revelation 12. I do not see an angel name or rank that could be applied to Jesus.

My understanding of 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the announcing of Jesus coming will be the actual voice of the archangel and the last Trump, whether it is Michael, looks like it will be, but I do not know. The question I asked Oseas, he seems to say Michael will come before Jesus, not sure of the meaning of that. I hope this makes sense and thanks for your reply.

God bless,

RLW

Archangel simply means, "over the angels", the term Michael is given to Christ in a "military" type of connotation, Lord of Hosts. When Christ comes again, the voice of the "Archangel" simply means he is executing his authority to "gather the troops", so to speak. It is a name used for Christ when executing his authority over the masses of angels which will "gather together the elect from the four winds of the earth".. Math 24.31

please pray for me I want to have a true personal relationship with Jesus but I don't know how to I not sure if I'm saved or not, I've been baptized but I turned my back on Jesus and continued to sin and I always just sin and don't even realize it I need guidance.

Correction: It is Zachariah 4:11-14 instead Malachi 4:11-14.

Sorry.

Hello Tdianne, go to this link (gotquestions.org/dinosaurs-Bible.html) and get your answer. I could copy and paste but it would be long...lol.

Here's a partial section of the biblical answer:

The topic of dinosaurs in the Bible is part of a larger ongoing debate within the Christian community over the age of the earth, the proper interpretation of Genesis, and how to interpret the physical evidence we find all around us. Those who believe in an older age for the earth tend to agree that the Bible does not mention dinosaurs, because, according to the old-earth paradigm, dinosaurs died out millions of years before the first man ever walked the earth, so the men who wrote the Bible could not have seen living dinosaurs.

Those who believe in a younger age for the earth tend to agree that the Bible does mention dinosaurs, though it never actually uses the word dinosaur. Instead, it uses the Hebrew word tanniyn, which is translated a few different ways in our English Bibles. Sometimes it's "sea monster," and sometimes it's "serpent." It is most commonly translated "dragon" in the KJV. The tanniyn appears to have been some sort of giant reptile. These creatures are mentioned nearly thirty times in the Old Testament (e.g., Psalm 74:13; Isaiah 27:1; Jeremiah 51:34) and were found both on land and in the water. Another Hebrew word, livyathan, transliterated leviathan, is used six times in Scripture (e.g., Job 41:1; Psalm 104:26) and refers to some type of large, fierce sea creature. The description of leviathan in Job 41 gives the impression of a strong yet graceful, unstoppable creature against which weapons are unavailing: "Nothing on earth is its equal" ( Job 41:33).

Hey Oseas,

I am sorry I do not understand the meaning of Michael comes first. Are we not supposed to be watching for the return of Jesus? If you don't mind giving further information about Michael coming first.

Thanks, and God bless,

RLW