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Hi! I'm reaching out for my boyfriend who has a rare type of blood cancer called Jak2 gene mutation..I was hoping whoever reads this would keep him in your prayers. I want to have a family and spend the rest of my life with this man. I just wish God would heal him. If you all could pray for his healing I'll be forever thankful and I'm sure he would be too. Thank you so much

Hiya Barbara...Lemme give ya my slant on the lake of fire...And Rev 20:15...One of my favorite scriptures...And Hebrews 12:29....Our God is a consuming fire...and Luke 12:49....I come to bring fire on the earth...Which is his baptism of the H.G. and fire...Which answers to the book of life that NEW covenant in his blood...Plz listen with your heart to Rev 20:15...If any man was not found written in the book of life ( that New Covenant in his blood) he was cast into the lake of fire...Which is that fire that Jesus said he wanted to bring on the earth...That new covenant in his blood...Remember our God is a consuming fire which is baptism of the H.G. and fire...

..... Malachi 3:2 kjv....Who shall abide the day of his coming...( 2 nd coming )...Who shall stand when he appears for he shall be as a REFINERS FIRE and fullers soap a cleasing fire...That FIRE that Jesus wants to bring to all the world...H.G. FIRE...He is gonna wash everyone of us with his spirit...Which is the H.g. the gift of God....I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh..

.....Thus there will be no more death or hell...As our God is a consuming fire that is gonna consume satan and his angels...Which is mans carnal minds...Satans seat..reAnd that y we must be bornagain of that incorruptible seed which are the words of that NEW COVENANT that he wrote with his own blood....That book of life....Thats y the scrip. is saying if anyman was not found written in the book of life ( washed in the blood of the lamb ) ....He was cast into the lake of fire...Baptism of the H.G and fire...I will pour out of my spirit on ALL FLESH...Thats y Jesus was saying if I

be lifted up ( the blood ) I will draw ALL MEN unto me.

.....Thats y Jesus was saying Every sinner will have his part in the lake of fire...O thank you Jesus...Its God that is that LAKE OF FIRE....Thru baptism of the H.G AND FIRE...Remember Jesus rebuked James and John when they wanted to call down a literal fire on the samartians....Our God is th fire

Brother S. Spencer. You may have already checked out bro. Giannis' breakdown of the 70 weeks in Daniel 9:24-27, but thought to mention it here, as those weeks of years are an important timeline to place history from Artaxerxes' authorization for Nehemiah to leave for the purpose of re-building Jerusalem, right up to the crucifixion of Christ. Though, I had a problem in correctly apportioning the years (maybe the year 445 BC that is commonly used as Artaxerxes' command for Nehemiah to depart, is not precise), it seems clear that only 69 of the 70 weeks have been so far fulfilled. I have not been able to find the final week (of seven years) in the Daniel texts. As Giannis stated, Titus did no more than destroy the temple & Jerusalem and this week must point to another time & person still to come (of which Daniel 7:8,24,25,26 refers to).

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with women kind: it is abomination.(vs 20:13).

I understand your question better , fire purges , makes clean , what cannot be cleaned by water shall be cleaned in fire , like gold and silver , fire is used to get rid of the impurities in gold and silver . It's used in Revelation as a metaphor . We will come through that cleansing purge if we are in Christ , everything else will be destroyed by that same fire . The fire will sort the wheat from the chaff , the chaff will be destroyed by the fire but for us in Christ it will cleanse us completely , a bit like the flood in Noah's day , the water was destruction to all those people who didn't believe God but to Noah and his family that water was like a baptism . Think of Daniels companions in the furnace , the flames didn't touch them or harm them because they belonged to God .

The power of death is sin , the flesh (us ) is weak and sinful . When all flesh is done away with satan will have no power to tempt anyone , he will be redundant and there won't be any flesh left for him to tempt into sin . We shall all be changed and be like Christ . God will be all in all , no more weak sinful flesh no more satan .

Will do , thanks for everything .

Hi Barbara. In Revelation 20:14,15, we read about this event that is way into the future. Hell is 'Hades' in Greek, which essentially means, 'the abode of the departed spirits'. According to Revelation 20:11-13, those who stand before God in that final judgement, with the books about their lives opened, have all been dead. And hell will be emptied out of those spirits of men that hated God, their bodies, whether in the earth or in the sea will be raised to stand trial before God. All will be judged and condemned into an eternity of endless torment & horror. The graves will be emptied & hell will be emptied. There's no more need for them. All that is evil & representative of evil will forever be cast aside.

Then the beauty & holiness of the New heaven (sky), the New Earth & the New Jerusalem (Revelation chapter 21), will renew all that was lost when mankind decided to rebel against his Maker.

please pray for me nd my family

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I understand your position with the 'tribulation' that believers must go through, even escaping the Wrath of God (the Great Tribulation) that comes upon the World. Yet, I see that the Great Tribulation does not begin after the tribulations by the anti-Christ, but at the time of the anti-Christ's appearing ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1-7). Paul writes to the believers, in reference to Christ's Coming & their gathering together to meet Him (the Rapture of the saints). They were greatly troubled (affrighted, alarmed) by the false teaching given even false letters purporting to be from Paul himself, that the Day of Christ (or, Day of the Lord) had already begun, & they had missed it or were left out. Paul corrects them on this. That Day won't come till there's a great defection & rebellion against God & the anti-Christ be revealed. But what prevents the revealing of the anti-Christ? ( 2 Thessalonians 2:6,7). The Thessalonians already knew who or what constrains this revelation, but we're not told specifically by name. The only clue is "HE who now letteth..", which in Greek is "the one". If this One is God's Spirit (by my understanding), then it must mean that those with His Spirit are included; and this means that not only will believers be removed from the Earth, but the rest of Earth's inhabitants will no longer have the working of the Spirit before them or in them.

If God removes His Spirit from ministering on the Earth, this not only qualifies the removal of those so indwelt by Him & for evil to be let loose without constraint, but that the Day of the Lord has begun & the beginning of God's Wrath: first by His abandonment of the unbelieving world, then by the outpouring of His Anger & Judgement over it. The Day of the Lord will come suddenly upon them, as a thief comes, but that will not overtake those who believe, simply because we have not been appointed to receive God's Wrath for the world, but to receive His Salvation (we'll be gone). 1 Thessalonians 5:2-9.

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I appreciate the ongoing discussion Jimbob we're having as very few are prepared to persevere in it. Yes, I did mention 'imminency & suddenness', but also mentioned 'readiness' ("In the NT, the command was for readiness"). We will have to leave that one, as after my revisiting those passages because of your comment, I still see that all three as adverbs are in use or implied, including, 'watchfulness'. We'll have to leave those Scriptures for other readers to examine.

Matthew 24:29-31. I read that as the Second Coming of Christ after the Great Tribulation days & that Jesus' rule upon the Earth will be with his elect living on the Earth at that time. It does not speak of those who will be instantly caught up to be with Christ (i.e. without the gathering of them together by the angels) & to be with Christ forever. Here, in the Rapture, those of the living & dead believers will be "changed" ( 1 Corinthians 15:52), i.e. physically reconstituted ("putting on incorruption") to be with Christ in the heavenlies, whereas this isn't a requirement for those 'of the elect' on the Earth who are gathered & relocated to Jerusalem (presumably).

Revelation 20:4-6 speaks of the vision that John received of all those who had laid down their lives for Christ. Not only those who came to believe in the Truth & resisted the Anti-Christ during his reign, but the multitudes since the Church's inception that have remained faithful to the Lord & willingly went to their deaths. Yes, we can suffer now (in tribulation), even as those who went before us, but this is part & parcel of following Christ ( John 16:33); including Romans 8:16-18; Philippians 1:29; 2 Thessalonians 1:4,5; 2 Timothy 2:11,12; etc (as you shared). I read this as the 'common' tribulation (trials of faith) that believers can experience, but not of the Great Tribulation (at the Day of the Lord).

God, we ask in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ that you keep Marc's Mind and Body healthy to do what he must do for his mum.

Amen

Dear Marc - I was in the same position as you and care for my mum for 10 years - every day I prayed to the Lord to keep my Mind and Body Healthy to do the carework - Marc He never let me down once! God Bless You. Praise Him

Praise God

Dear God, Father in Heaven, thank You for being the omniscient, powerful, unique God who knows all things. We thank You that You sent Jesus to us, so that we can be saved through Him. John 6:28-29 John 3:15 John 5:24

We believe in Jesus Christ that He was born of the Virgin Mary, died and was buried, rose again on the 3rd day, as He said He would do. We thank God that when He calls us, we listen and the growth that is, comes from the Lord. According to His will. We pray in Jesus Christ's holy name for He is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. When we come to Him in Spirit and Truth, He will hear our prayers, so He will transform us into and become like Him. Amen Hallelujah, may we walk to His glory, may we always have Jesus Christ with us every day. Always stand up for Him who did everything for us, so that we are cleansed in Jesus' holy blood on Calvary. For no other sacrifice could take away man's sin, Amen Therefore we have nothing to boast about, only rejoice in God. He will guide you, dear friend, all the way. That we have been given life is His, as is everything else in our lives. Amen Ask Him for changes and you will get it. Ask Han for advice and you will get it. Know that He goes with you, because He cares for us all, He has shown us that.

One advice: Stay strong in the word everyday. Amen love u in Christ. Matthew 28 chapter

Praise God brethren,

Am wafula David from uganda

Pray for me to know more about God's word, finish my house , school fees for my children get sponsors for them .

Be blessed

Wafula.

Thank you

Spencer

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After Jesus' crucifixion and his denial by Jews, the church of the gentiles is formed. So the time untill the last week belongs to the gentiles not to the Jews. The last week starts immediately after the rapture of the church and now the last week for the Jews starts. That is why the last week is separated from the rest, because there is a time interval of about 2 th years between them which doesn't belong to the Jews but to the church.

Paul in one of his epistles writes that his nation will be saved after the fullness of the nation enter. So again the last week can not belong to both the church and the Jews. Of course people from nations will be saved, but this time the requirement will be to not accept the beast's mark. On top of these nowhere in the Revelation the church is mentioned.

As an ex Greek Orthodox christian I used to believe that we live in the millennium. The Orthodox church teaches that the millennium is figurative and started after Jesus' resurrection and will finish on His second coming. Many of the early christians believed that but as Chris has said the opinions of the early christians about eschatology were very diverse. For example many believed that he who hinders antichrist's appearance was the Roman rule and after the collapse of the Roman empire the antichrist will grab the chance to conquer the word, a belief that historically was proved to be wrong. So about eschatology those early christians were in a confusion just like us today. But today as we see some events unfolding we can compare what is written to what we live. The full extend of understanding the Revelation will be aquired by people who will be here during the last week. They will know, but it will be too late for them, the flood will have already started. But there would always be a solution for them, that is to be slaughtered. But why when they can avoid it?

GBU

Hello Spencer

Pt 1

My understanding of Daniel 9:25-27

"25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: (7+62+1 )the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Why that time of 490 years is split into 7, 62, and 1 weeks?

7 weeks, 49 years, is the time between the order to rebuilt Jerusalem, her walls and the Temple and its accomplishment.

From that date untill Jesus' crucifixion 62 weeks will pass by, that is 434 years.

1 week the last is the period of antichrist ' rule on earth. But let's go to verses 26-27,

"26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate"

Well, here there are two options, the 70th week is EITHER about the time of Jesus' ministry and the destruction of Jerusalem OR antichrist's time.

If it was Jesus' time then additional weeks should have been added since the destruction of Jerusalem was about 40 years later, that is an additional 5-6 weeks. But the prophesy places it in the last week. Also it says that that prince will make a COVENANT with people. Obviously that person was not Titus. Titus didn't make any covenant, he just came, conquered, destroyed and left. So it has to be the antichrist who is going to make a deal with the sinful world and as a sign for that deal he will put his mark, 666, on people.

But why the prophesy separates the last week from the rest?

Thanks Ronald.

I'm sorry it's taking so long between responses. Please bare with me.

I've read over your material on Daniel 9:24 and you say you believe this was fulfilled.

Where do you fit the abominations that make it desolate into your time line?

I believe Daniel 9:24 is the scope of All 70 weeks.

I believe 69 weeks was fulfilled and the 70th week is yet to come.

I also don't hold the view vs 24 has been fulfilled.

Thanks for being patient with me.

God bless.

Leviticus 18:22

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:21-28

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

These are few verses maybe they will help.

Romans 1:21-32

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;

Mel8:

Yes, the prince in Ezekiel is the same prince, Christ.

Your right Ezekiel is like Revelation, it takes the longest to understand.

Just keep studying; if you don't understand something, ask God to cause you to understand, and go on, not dwelling on that not revealed, at some point God will reveal it to you.

As God reveals himself to you, believe him and his words, not man and his words.

God Bless You!

Hi Jesse,

Not to debate just something to consider.

I know many have this understanding of this abomination of desolation and applying it to Daniel 9:27. As you said it is in Daniel 9:27 Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11 and only in 11:31 and 12:11 does it say the abomination that maketh desolate.

As what happened in 167 BC with Antiochus Epiphanies committed two blasphemous acts in the second Jewish temple by setting up an altar to the Greek god Zeus and also, he sacrificed a pig on the altar, and much more, that is thought something similar will happen in the future with the antichrist.

The abomination of desolation is this horrible person or beast that will do this action that is vile, vicious or terrible in the temple that is said to be rebuilt that makes it desolate. This being is the one who does the act to make it desolate.

If we look at Daniel 9:27 it says, "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate." For the overspreading of abominations, this is saying because of abominations they have done, he shall make it desolate, not what he does makes it desolate.

Jesus disrobes this in Matthew 23:24-37, and He says what we read in Daniel 9:27. Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For their abominations Jesus is the one who makes it desolate for the overspreading of abominations they have done and their rejection of Him. "and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. The Roman army and total destruction.

I agree they may flee from Judea in the future they did just before 70 AD the believers in Jesus fled to Pella a region across the Jordan river and were saved.

Just something to consider.

God bless,

RLW

Jimbob:

John 5:28

Is Jesus not speaking about His resurrection in this prophecy?

Do you not think you fit into Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that part in the first resurrection?

God Bless You!

Jesse The tribes of the earth mourn, That would be every single person left on the earth because like you said not just the Jews will know at that time, Everybody left on the earth will face the wrath of God and at that time THEY KNOW IT., Rev.6:16-17 (16. And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: (17. For the great day of his wrath is come: and who shall be able to stand. Even those who pierced Him, they would be those who had done evil and will be resurrected to the resurrection of damnation. John.5:28-29 (28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, (29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (Those who have done evil will be resurrected from the graves unto the resurrection of damnation, this would have to be the wrath of God because that wrath starts the same day of the Coming of Jesus Christ in the clouds. 1.Thes.4:16 Tell us For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Those dead in Christ who shall rise first will rise from the grave unto the resurrection of life. They will be taken to the marriage supper of the Lamb, their soul and spirit will reunite, while the wrath of God and the resurrection of damnation is being poured out on the earth. Good to hear from you Jesse.

STU,

The Bible does not specifically mention the word abortion. However, if we look at Exodus 21:22-25, it looks to me that God's view is that if you kill an unborn baby, the penalty is death.

A baby in a mothers womb is a living being. Aborting that baby is considered murder. It baffles me that people who commit murder, in many cases, they receive the death penalty. But what about murdering an unborn child?

This topic should touch the heart strings of every believer. Again, the closest thing I see that would give God's view on abortion (other than you shall not murder) in Exodus 20:13, would be Exodus 21:22-25.

Other verses to consider are: Deuteronomy 5:17, Matthew 5:21, Leviticus 24:17, Mark 10:19, Leviticus 24:21.

Ruby Lea Read Yes I believe at death the spirit goes to God, but Heb.4:12 tells us For the word of God is quick and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the ((dividing)) asunder of (soul) and (spirit), and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. The word (dividing) #3311; it means a separation or distribution, to part, to disunite, be difference between. The soul goes to the grave to await the return of Christ who will bring the spirit back with Him. There would be no other possible time for the soul and spirit to be separated, or disunited other than at the death of the body. John.5:28-29 (28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which (all that are in the graves shall here his voice), (29. And (shall come forth); they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life: and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. 1.Thes.4:14,16 (14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so (them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him). (16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and (the dead in Christ shall rise first). This verse shows "them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him" and also "the dead in Christ shall rise first". The spirit returns with Jesus while those who sleep in Jesus, their soul will rise from the graves first to be reunited with the spirit, this will happen before those who are alive and remain are caught up to meet the Lord Jesus in the clouds. I just felt I should explain a little more so you could get the context. Thank you Ruby for the question. God Bless You.

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Gena,

I'm sorry for being long winded, but I think the rest of what I wanted to say is important, and I hope you find something of value in this.

Jesus makes a statement in Matthew 26:41. We know it as the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. But Matthew 26:41 literally reads the spirit is prepared. The flesh is weak.



You see, what He's showing them is that they need to be watching for Satan, lest they fall into temptation. They can't do it in the flesh. The flesh is weak.



They didn't have the Holy Spirit yet. The Lord was giving them an illustration of being spiritually awake, alert to Satan, which they could not do without the Holy Spirit.



So it was a lesson on watchfulness, spiritually. It is a lesson on sobriety, except He's not talking about alcohol.

In Paul's letters, and I'm summing it up for you, but in Paul's letters he would talk about this condition to warn believers about being sober minded.



In other words, your mind can be so drunk with the things of the world, that your mind is just so occupied with all these things. It's the same as being drunk, only it's mental. You'll sit there in the chair and stare at the wall because you have so much to think about.



Be sober minded. Don't get drunk on the things of the world occupying your mind. Be watchful. Be alert.

So he says in Verse 8, but we who are of the day, we should be sober.

Again, many places in scripture where we see the word sober, it has nothing to do with alcohol, but sober as in being sober minded.

Blessings to you in Christ Jesus!

One world leader, one world order, one world currency soon to be fully run on allowing only those genetically modified under the new technology to be a citizen of the beast system. The Bible has already prophesied all of this, we are in the end days. Wake up to the truth in Christ and find peace in knowing this world is a lie, and what awaits those who reject the poison and endure to the end is everlasting life.

Gena,

There are several places in the Bible where we see the word sober that refer to being sober minded, not sober as in refraining from alcohol. Would you be able to share some of the verses you are referring to?

As far as being sober minded, I'll take 1 Thessalonians 5:6-8 as an example. In Verse 6, it says therefore, and I'll give you some technical things here about the translation.



Instead of let us not sleep, it's literally we should not sleep. It's not a command. It says we should not sleep, as do the others; but let us watch and be sober.

Verse 7 says "For they that sleep, they sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night."

And again, a literal translation in Verse 8:

But we should, (that is, we who are of the day), we should be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love;

Now just for the sake of information, and please hang with me for a moment here because there are some very important words.



In Verse 6, the word watch means to be awake. It's the opposite of sleep. The word sober has to do with sober mindedness.

Now here's the connection:



In Matthew Chapter 26 Verse 36, Jesus, before He died, He took Peter and a couple of the other disciples, and He wanted to pray in the garden.



His heart was heavy, and He wanted to take them with Him so that He could pray. And He left them at a certain spot and He went a little distance and began to pray.



He came back and they were sleeping. He says cannot you watch with me for one hour? He went back to prayer again. When He came back, they were sleeping again. He told them that it's important to be awake lest you fall into temptation.

What He's doing is He's taking a physical circumstance and making a spiritual illustration, because He goes back to praying again, comes back and finds them sleeping again and tells them "Okay, let's go."

I'm out of space but would like to share a little more if you haven't fallen asleep on me yet!