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Alleluia. Thank You Lord Jesus !

What is the difference between true worship and false worship? Col 2: 16-20

One sort of church says, silence and solemnity is worship, and another, loud praise music and thanksgiving is worship.

Is worship not just holding a true reverence to God in our hearts? Would that consists as worship. No matter the form God chooses to use, through his children? John 4:23

Revelation 10:1-4 is the instruction concerning the prophecy of the thunders. And we have the description of the angel in Verses 1 through 3. Daniel 10:21 and Ezekiel 1:28 can be referenced.

Many of these characteristics and descriptions are descriptions of Christ from Chapter 1.

Many have thought, especially Jehovah's Witnesses, because it says a mighty angel, that Jesus is not God, and that He's just an angel.

But there's some differences here taken with this small scroll. What is this small scroll? It is the property deed to the earth.

In the first line it says, and I saw another mighty angel. The word another, and there's two different words in the Greek text for another, another of the same kind, or another of a different kind.

This is another of the same kind, making reference to Revelation 8:3, another mighty angel.

There are only two angels in the bible that are called mighty angels. Back in the book of Daniel Chapters 7 through 12, we have Gabriel, and we have Michael.

Michael is the archangel. He's the head angel and he usually has to do with the business of the nation Israel. And he's constantly at war with Satan concerning the things of Israel.

And Gabriel is a messenger. We especially see him at the announcement of the birth of Christ.

So this has to be one or the other, either Michael, or Gabriel, that has come down from heaven, clothed in a cloud and a rainbow about his head. And all of this tells us that he comes in the authority of Christ. He had a rainbow upon his head, his face as the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire, and he had this small book.

As for the thunders, I believe it is making reference to Gods voice coming down from heaven. Revelation 4:5 and Psalm 18:13 causes me to believe that these thunders are the voice of God.

Hope this helps!

Sammi thank you for your reply. I dont think its wishful thinking Sammi to think Jesus will return soon. The evil is just about taking over every part of our lives today, but the Bible tells us things will get a lot worse before our Lord does call us home. Stay strong in your Faith! You are right, our best days are yet to come.

There were a couple typos in this post. One of them was Song Of Solomon 2:15

P2) Chris you said in your comment "so to say that the words or prophecies given at the beginning can only find its complete accuracy in the KJV and nothing else, lacks verifiable proof" I completely disagree with that statement.. The Words of the LORD are pure Words that we are told (not to add unto) or (take away from). (The Words) in the KJB are verifiable proof if we Believe the Words of the LORD are the Truth! You referenced Is.55:11 in one of your comments, It says "So shall my words be that goeth forth OUT OF MY MOUTH: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it". Now lets look at a couple of examples of the KJB and the Niv again. (KJB) Eccl.8:10 I saw the wicked buried, and they were forgotten. Now the (Niv) I saw the wicked buried, they receive praise. (Would it make sense for God to say the wicked that were buried receive praise as the Niv tells us? Or the wicked were forgotten which is what the KJB says? Gods Words are pure Words! Here's 1 more. 2 Cor.2:17 (KJB) we are not as many, which (corrupt) the word of God. (corrupt) #2585; it means to adulterate. Now the (Niv) Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God. (Remember the (pure) Words of the LORD, pure#2889; it means sound, unadulterated, uncontaminated. (Chris the verifiable proof is in the Word itself.) Jesus tells us in Mt.4:4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD. (The Bible says the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, What, or where would that doctrine be thats not sound doctrine today? Connect that corrupt doctrine with all the modern versions that change and leave out complete verses and we get the answer to that question) I do appericate you responding Chris, as I told GiGi, no one has all the answers but Iron sharpens Iron and the Word of God is Alive today.

Who is this unusual angel & who are the 7 thunders?

Pray for some of my family members who once knew the Lord but have since turned away. I live with one of my daughter's an two grandchildren, her husband ( once a youth pastor ) also walked away from the Lord an moved to another state to be with another women, he was married to my daughter for 28 years. I pray the Holy Spirit will move quickly an bring them all back to God, even if through the voice of a donkey !! Thank you an God bless this ministry in Jesus name

P.1) Chris thank you for your reply. I believe God would not allow us to go through this evil world without giving us His True Word. Jesus was asked by the Disciples what would be the sign of His Coming, Jesus first reply was "that heed that no man deceive you". Deception is in almost everything today, people have to be blind to not see that. If the devil wanted to deceive Believers in the Lastdays, what would be the most logical way for him to do that? ((Twist the Word of God)) God cannot lie! I truly hope you believe that Chris. Titus.1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began. Also Heb.6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie,... If you believe that then we have to believe Gods Word is Truth when it tells us in Ps.12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. (7. Thou shalt keep them O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (If we Truly Believe in God we have to Truly Believe the Word of God is 100% Truth, Right? God cannot lie! This verse tells us Gods Words are (pure) #2889; to be pure, sound, unadulterated, uncontaminated, morally innocent or holy. (This verse also tells us Gods Words are (preserved for ever) This tells me that we have those Words today. Its also interesting that those pure Words were as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times, A time is 1 year so they were purified 7 years the exact time it took to translate the KJB. And the words for ever, do mean exactly that, FOR EVER. So if we Believe the Word of God is Truth, we should Believe His Words mean what they say. In Pro.30:5-6 We are told Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. (6. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Again EVERY WORD OF GOD IS PURE, Then v. 6 tells us to not add unto His Words, so we have them today, Right?

Please explain pslam 40:13

Asking for strong protection, deliverance, healing and most importantly salvation (those not saved), the power of the Holy Spirit, reconciliation and restoration in the family. Asking this for us and all in need. Also asking for intervention in a variety of areas the Lord knows (incl. A's new relationship and her New Age involvement, K's school stress, sleep, care, fatigue, H's sleep, work for me...so many other things also pertaining to things we pray about for others). Thank you Lord that you said that you can do exceedingly, abundantly, above and beyond. Amen

Who and why did Jacob wrestle with a man?

Prayer-praise,

Yesterday I was driving up a curvy country highway when all the dashboard warning lights in my vehicle began to blink off and on again. My power steering went completely out and my car shut off while I was on the highway doing 60-ish mph. I was able to pull over in the perfect spot to sit and wait for the tow truck to come rescue me, with plenty of room for his oversized car hauler! God is so good. He had it totally under control from beginning to end! Thank You Jesus!

The Lord is my Shepherd.

It was scary but I wasn't scared. I knew the Lord had kept His loving hand upon me.

I was about 10-15 miles, or 20 minutes, into a 40 minute trip.

God is great and I am truly blessed. I can't afford car repairs or a new car OR a car payment. I hopped the bus and continued my journey. I am not one to pray for money or wealth or riches or material things and I rarely shop for anything other than necessities I've had much and I've had little. I've learned to be content with such as I have. Please pray God's will. I do feel transportation is a necessity for me to be able to help others.

Thank you.

God bless you!

what are emerods ???

GiGi, I'm praying for Steve this morning. Have you ever listened to Dr. Tom Renfro's terminal cancer testimony? Maybe you or Steve could email (or share by text) the video Tom made about his miracle healing. Just a thought. When my sis was diagnosed with stage 3 ovarian cancer, I scoured the internet to search for options and I came across some really good stories which gave much hope and strengthened her faith, and mine. Maybe a video in his email or on his phone might be a seed or conversation starter. Maybe an anonymous printed testimony in an envelope left on his door or in his mailbox might get read to or by him?

Steve might be the only thing standing between Jeff and Hell.

Yes, I believe in a literal, hot place of eternal torment, called Hell. I believe it was created for satan ( purposely lower case) and his fallen angels. I also believe that humans can and will be there, Father forgive us! I also believe that it's NOT God's will that ANY should go there. God made a way of escape (Jesus, mercy) and gave us free will, we must CHOOSE WISELY. John 3:16

Revelation 2:18

God bless you Sister GiGi

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I'm trying to be a light to a person who is suicidal and often voices these ideal actions. Please pray for deliverance and salvation for this person. This is bondage, Jesus break it! Fight for her! Help me to win her family to You.

Pray for me too. I might be the only thing standing between this person and Hell.

I have been meaning to ask prayer for Turkey. I only saw brief news clips on YouTube. I haven't had time to research.

Please please pray for me, my children, and grandchildren. The devils not playing. The church needs to WAKE UP!!!

THE LORD JESUS IS COMING SOON!!!

The earth is in labor and the pangs can't get much closer together than they are right now! WAKE UP CHRISTIAN! Judgement will begin IN THE HOUSE OF GOD!

1Peter 4:17

Catch us the little foxes that spoil the vine, Lord. Help us to examine ourselves and work with what little time we have left.

Song of Solomon 2:5

God, save the lost!!!! Please send out laborers into the fields for the harvest is ready but the laborers are so few!

Matthew 9:35-38

Lord please use me. Use US.

This is an altar call!

REPENT! For the kingdom of Heaven is AT HAND!

Jesus help ME/US to weep and wail between the porch and the altar.

Psalms 126:5

IN JESUS NAME. ALWAYS. AMEN.

I don't have time to respond to prayers right now, but I'm praying for all who post their requests here.

If you have a globe please place it where you pray. In your secret place. Put your Hands on it and plead the blood of Jesus Christ over certain areas. Over America for sure. Ask God, in Jesus name, to bind up powers and principalities over America, China, Russia, etc. Pray for mercy and salvation and for the gospel to go freely into the earth. Or whatever prayer God lays on your heart.

Concerning the enemy;

Though the weapon be formed, let it not prosper, let it be bound and broken.

Send Holy Angels to war for souls that are bound to be SET FREE today and for the gospel to flood the Earth!

Eric from my understanding of God, the wages of sin is death...so ALL sin is deadly!!!

Revelation 12:11 states that "they overcame because of the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony." It also states that they didn't love their life even to the death.

I recently watched a video from someone named Nick Jones on Youtube. I am not sure if I can mention names here but my point is that he discussed the Grammy awards and the Satanic ritual that apparentely CBS actually retracted a comment about being ready to worship when the entertainer (whose name I won't mention here) did his thing on stage. That being said; he pointed out what others seemed to miss; namely that ALL of the "Christian" award recipients sat through the blasphemous performance so that they could have their claim to fame later being recognized on stage. Imagine; for a moment if someone walked out; or better yet protested on stage. Such a sad demonstration of lukewarmness (at best) is characteristic of the church today and thus the enemy is "in your face" everywhere.

We can take some solace in the strides that the Pro lifers have made overturning Roe vs Wade. Many may not realize the person in that original Supreme Ct. OPINION (not really the "law of the land") became a believer and had a complete change of heart since supporting that legislation in the early 70's. We can see some result from generations of prayer.

There are many who continually petition the Lord for revival. I can only assume that your church IS teaching the Word and properly interpreting doctrine. I will further hope that you are teaching within the bounds of what authority is given to women in the church. That being said; women are needed to evangelize and be prayer warriors today in particular. From my experience; I have had to "scratch and claw" as close to obnoxiousness as possible in pursuit of more prayer; and in particular impromptu and necessary spontaneous prayers when needs arise. The other issue tends to be discussion on the Word in fellowship not trivial matters.

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I was replying to Sacha...I am Jess...Thank you for the welcome!

Imagine the disciples sitting and listening to Jesus words. Jesus words in the book of John ,Mathew, Mark, Luke, word for word written perfectly according to the Holy Spirit, while John is exiled on an Island, the last only and the closest to Christ. What is amazing, while each book is different, in the end it is the perfect combination needed for what we need for our learning, and yet it allows us the freedom to look into those things that freely belong to us, opening our eyes ever wider unto eternal life!

The words are Christs, they are a well spring unto eternal life!

"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled!" This is what you seek! His spirit will guide and direct you! Jesus first sermon on the mountain would be a great place to meet Him!

Sanctification comes through faith, Baptism comes through the Holy spirit, the washing of regeneration, a renewal of our body and spirit, the miracle we all wish to see, and will!

Always remembering, it is not us, but what He did on the Cross!

That we might have life and have it more abundantly!

Repent and be Baptized

Yes Jimbo , my thoughts are....the same as yours exactly in this matter , I believe that 70 years is counted as a generation in this instance and that the year 1948 is deeply significant , I know a few others who also think that the six day war of 1967 is also very important . I do wonder if it might be a bit of wishful thinking on our part as we so desperately await the return of Our Lord . Let's hope , most fervently , that Christ returns soon . I love life , I love waking up every day , I love to see God all over His beautiful creation but these kingdoms of men , our doings , really get me down sometimes . It's only God who truly cheers me up and gets me through each day . May Christ return soon , when it is God's will . Acts chapter 1 verses 1-11 and Zechariah chapters 12 ,13 and 14 . Our best days are to come .

That's great news GiGi, PTL - both for your son & yourselves, that all is well in your home.

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Then speaking of faults, may I list just a few verses 'of concern' (in Caps), just in the very chapter we're referring to. And these errors might be very slight even inconsequential to you, nevertheless they can be concerning to some:

a. Revelation 22:4: "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be IN their foreheads." The Greek gives that word as 'epi' = on. Most translations picked up on this, KJV didn't.

b. Revelation 22:11: "He that is UNJUST, let him be UNJUST still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, LET HIM BE HOLY still." For 'unjust', it should be 'unrighteous' (Gk. adikeo) and for 'let him be holy', the Greek is 'hagiastheto', which is 'let him be made holy' still: implying a continued progression in holy living (as opposed to the finality of the unrighteous).

c. Revelation 22:12: "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to GIVE every man according as his work shall be." Greek is 'apodounai', which is 'to give back, to return, to restore'.

I only share these few examples to show that, at least in the Greek Lexicons we have, there are variations in translations of the Bible, even in the KJV. These may be considered minor & certainly they are if compared to verses that are missing or distorted in other translations; but the question is 'where do we draw the line as to what translation is absolutely faithful to the words given to the apostle?' In my perception, none meet that absolute criterion, but overall, in spite of the many negative opinions by others about the KJV, I still consider it the best we have - but not perfect by any means.

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Hi Jimbob & thanks for your comment. After going through it, I think we can focus on the Book of the Revelation as your comments appear to center on that.

You asked, "Ok which Bible does that book of Revelation have to be in?; referring to Revelation 22:7,18,19. Even as verse 10 states, "And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand." So we know that Jesus is speaking of this particular prophecy that He gave to John, to which John faithfully recorded. Had he not done so, I feel sure that he would have been checked, reprimanded & also become the first recipient of the dire warnings given in verses 18 & 19.

So what John had recorded was then passed on, presumably as copies to the Churches. Now for us, does it become a matter of which Bible version is the exact representation of Jesus' Message to John, considering the many hands it has passed through & the great passage of time as well? One could say, 'it does matter for we must read it as originally given' (and as you believe, the KJV is that version). But really apart from what we have now in our hands, we cannot refer to anything that the translators received & studied, & certainly not the original writings. So, if we are to state, 'KJV & nothing else', we must be entirely certain that it faithfully represents the original; to say that the words or prophecies given at the beginning can only find its complete accuracy in the KJV & nothing else, lacks verifiable proof. Why I say this, is because the contents of the Bible never point to the KJV as the repository of Truth - only one's acquired belief that the KJV is without error.

I just want to praise the Lord. My son who lives with us tested positive for covid last week and now he is cleared to return to work. He did not have much in the way of symptoms. But I want to thank the Lord that neither my husband nor I contracted covid from him. I just got over a month-long respiratory infection, so my system is a bit weak. But God preserved me from another infection. Hallelujah!

I have submitted prayer request for Jeff before. He is my husbands friend since Junior High. He has bone cancer that now is brain cancer, too. There is nothing else the medical field can do for his cancer. He is making arrangements to go on Hospice soon.

Please pray that my husband can visit with him soon and pray that my husband will be moved to share the gospel with him. Mu husband, Steve, has pretty much been in denial about Jeff's condition, not facing up to how bad and advanced the cancer is in his brain. This is a hard time for Jeff and his family. It is hard for Steve, too. It is tough when people our own age are dying, but we must think of the good of the ones we love who will only be here for a little while longer and care for their eternal destiny. I pray that Steve will heed my suggestions for him to share the gospel with Jeff. it is the most loving thing he can do for his friend.

St4eve is very private about his faith, being an introvert, but may the Holy Spirit help him to rise above that and obey God in this situation. How much better it will be if he does share and Jeff receives the salvation of Jesus. Then we can know we will see him in heaven forever.

So, true Jimbob,

Hope to speak with you more. Glad you came on this forum.

Richard, Yes, we can know that God has prepared the most wonderful and best place for us to spend eternity.

Adam must have seen so much in his 900+ years. I often wonder about him, if he was a God-follower after his encounter with God in the garden after his sin or if he resisted God's grace. I tend to think that he continued to follow God because of all humans, only he and Eve knew what it was like prior to their sin and then they were given the promise of salvation in Gen. 3:15. God must have said other things to Adam and Eve that were not recorded.

When I see how beautiful our world is despite it "groaning to put on the incorruptible" I am so convinced that God will prepare for us a most beautiful, pleasing, satisfying, and appropriate place for us to enjoy Him forever. With the internet, we can see photos from all over the world of the beauty of this world, whereas prior to this, we could not see what was in most of the world outside of "our own backyard", so to speak. But seeing so many photos that almost take my breath away, I can only praise Him and trust Him in all that He has planned for me and all of his adopted children by grace.

Let's remember to pray for those in Turkey and Syria who have been affected by these terrible earthquakes that claimed so many lives and injured so many others. I saw the rescuers pull a newborn baby out from the rubble whose mother gave birth and then died. I pray that that babe has a wonderful family that will raise him up rightly in the Lord. Somewhat of a miracle that he was found alive and unharmed.

But there is great need, So pray that God will send many workers and resources so that, perhaps, many more can be found alive.