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Hello again, Alex, let me clarify one more thought. The verse of John 18:36 says:

My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

When Jesus spoke the last sentence He was not speaking in terms of timeframes, using "now" to indicate time, but as a way of saying "as it is" as when someone says to another, "now, now, that is what I said." (not meaning now as pertaining to time, but pertaining to the surety of what was said. "Surely" could be faithfully used instead of "now" in this sense.

Jesus was not saying that at that point in time, ("now") Kingdom was not of this world but would be hence" (someday but- surely, His kingdom is not earthly and not from here (earthly).

We may disagree on this, Alex, but by the words of our Lord, I don't believe He said He ever planned to set up an earthly kingdom. You and many may differ with me on this, and I am open to consider what others can present with Scriptural support.

Hello.

I have a very important question. What does the Bible say about a dying person not wanting to continue with medical care. Is this considered suicide if you refuse to continue suffering with medical treatments?

Thank you so much!

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of Christ and the "manchild" on your own and separated from church affiliation. Your story is a classic example of how false doctrine begins and false teachers arise to promulgate these aberrant doctrines that twist Scripture, add to and take away from Scripture and intermix various scriptural phrases to say something the Word of God never meant it to mean. Also, when one intermixes their own ideas amidst scriptural bits and phrases as you do, it is wrought with error and should be rejected outright.

And I do just that with your teachings on this subject.

I do want to have meaningful conversations with you, Alex, and if you are able to speak to a topic without advancing these "newly discovered doctrines" laced in with your response to topics unrelated to your pet doctrines, then I am glad to engage with you. But when you wax into your usual plethora of false ideas, I simply discard most of what you have to say because of the blatant errors.

i love you, too, Alex. We have very different approaches to Scripture which lead us to have very different doctrines on some key matters of faith. I wish you well and many blessings. I know that you are older than me, I just turned 66 a few days ago, and you have less time than I do before going to meet our Savior face to face. May you days be filled with the truth of God's word and the love of God for His children and His church.

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Sorry Alex, but the text of John 18:36 clearly states (by the mouth of Jesus) that His kingdom is not of this world. You have substituted hence for world, which is a twisting of Scripture. I stand on the words of Jesus, not yours.

When Jesus instructed the disciples to pray, He said, Our Father, who art in heaven...thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Jesus was saying that the kingdom already existed in heaven. I believe Him. I believe that the kingdom has always existed in heaven. But Jesus said many times that the kingdom of heaven is near or come. Thus, saying that the kingdom that exists in heaven has come to men in the person of Jesus. The kingdom, though only available to angels and heavenly hosts prior to Jesus' incarnation, was now available to men who believe in Him to be saved.

He said that the kingdom of heaven (or God) was within you, speaking of His disciples. Jesus' prayer he taught the disciples was for the kingdom of heaven (or God) that He is the King of, would come to earth within men and women who believe the gospel and follow Him. He is the kingdom for us. He is the King who reign within us and in heaven. He has always reigned in heaven. But He brought the kingdom to earth by His incarnation and Presence in believers by the Holy Spirit.

Alex, you definitely have a disdain for the church that Jesus said He would build and preserve. It has been in existence for 2000 years. And yes, there have been problems of sinful leaders and erroneous doctrines, but there is the same problems as these in the church since the Reformation. I do not think that the answer is to swear off the church body with contempt for the church is still the body of Christ. I am not talking about denominations or buildings, but believers gathered agreement of the one true faith delivered to us all by the apostles.

From what I remember reading in one of your past posts, you stated that you "discovered" the doctrine concerning the "seed"

Hi Littlesooz,

I agree we do not know what was before because it is not written, we only have the scriptures. All we can do is speculate which to me has no answers or end to what it could be. What would be the reason to venture or believe this earth was inhabited before the six days of creation we are given?

God has no beginning so what beginning would be in verse 1? I understand the beginning to be what is throughout scripture is God's plan for us and whether He had other plans before us, that is for Him to know. That's just me, thanks for your reply.

God bless,

RLW

Yes you are right but this where the game change. Remember they saw the children of Men beautiful in their eyes and said to one another let us go and take them in as wife's and at the junction of agreement between them all they took HUMAN form and came down and took wife for them selves and it is recorded that it was when their wife's began to give birth that the people knew something wasn't right. So my dear the truth is once they took HUMAN form they natural possess every emotions man has and that is why they could explore our fathers to teach all kinds of things at the time. I hope this has helped.

please pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ being persecuted for in India, North Korea, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, and other communist countries. That God may strengthen their belief and courage in the Lord. May God provide them with food, water, and shelter.

l have cateracts and they seem to be getting bigger where in acts is it found about paul and silas in prison and healing

Hi Kalebu,

I see the temple of God as representing our relationship with God, which I feel is in agreement with what Ronald has spoken. In addition, the altar within the temple/tabernacle is representative of the Mind of God. Although some may disagree, neither have anything to do with the body, yet a healed body is the reflection of a mind which is in perfect alignment with the Holy Spirit i.e the Voice for God, which speaks ONLY for the Mind of God.

Blessings,

GOD IS

Thank you for that, i had already started doing that subconciously. But i will definatly always now lean to the low road first, the discussion.

Jimbob:

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after ----it's been 2000 years, that's not immediately after --- the tribulation of those days ---it's Christ's tribulation, leading up to his death on the cross, that he is speaking about ----shall the sun be darkened, Matthew 27:45 ---he is quoting Joel 2:31 and Revelation 6:12 a prophecy about Christ death on the cross ---and the moon (symbolising Christ) shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven ---- Revelation 12:4 ---and the powers of heaven shall be shaken ----all this description is a parable Matthew 13:34. Christ's words are most often HIDDEN in parables and symbols.

Matthew 24:30 Then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven ---this is still symbolic and a parable ---heaven is symbolic of man, where GOD DWELLS, Colossians 2:27 ...Christ in you .... John 3:13 ... he which is in heaven ....

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will DO NOTHING, but he revealeth his secret to his servant the prophets.

Your raptured: one at a time

Isaiah 27:12 ....and ye shall be gathered ONE by ONE ....two in the field, one taken one left ....

God bless you, as you study and Christ reveals himself to you.

No, I do not find these passage helpful in my question, as to how in the Old testament Genesis 6 it spoke of angels having sex with human daughters and producing the nephilim quoting new Testament passage , but not answering the question as stated, being as angels no sex organs.

Hi Kalebu,

I will give my understanding, and others may differ. The tabernacle is the place to host the presence of God on earth. In Exodus 25 God gives the pattern to Moses to build the tabernacle (the tent of meeting), a sacred place to communicate with God. Later Solomon built the first temple which is also a tabernacle in the old sacrificial system.

The people would bring an animal and lay their hand on its head and pass their sin onto the sacrifice. The high priest had to go in once a year with the blood of a bull for an offering for himself and the people, but it did not take away the sins, (the conscience). This was a foreshadowing of the Messiah, Jesus the high priest to come, Heb. 9 and Heb. 10.

When Jesus the Messiah came and was baptized by John the Holy Spirit filled Jesus without measure, John 3:34. The sacred space, the communication and fellowship with God, the tabernacle the true light coming into the world, John 1:14, God was manifest in the flesh 1 Tim.3:16, who communicated directly with men.

As Jesus told the woman at the well John 4:21-24 if we accept Jesus as the Messiah who has come in the flesh, He died for our sins and was raised from the dead, and only through Him do we have access to God and only in Him the name of Jesus is salvation and when we are baptized and sealed with the Holy Spirit we become a tabernacle a place to host the presence of God through the Holy Spirit by our high priest and mediator Jesus.

This is my understanding please study for your own.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Gi-Gi...But let me just say this... Jesus didn't say my kingdom is not of this world....In John 18:36...Jesus said My Kingdom is not NOW...NOT NOW...from hence....Not nowThe Kingdom does not come till Rev.12:10...Now is come salvation and the Kingdom of our God and his Christ...The Kingdom cannot come till the woman births the manchild the baby which is the spirit of truth that will come when we birth the spirit of truth...Thats y he is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G....The contents of the book...Thats y Jesus is saying unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....As the woman in Rev 12 does not enter the Kingdom till she births the manchild that is gonna rule all nations

Gi-Gi I love ya sweetheart...But Jesus plainly tells us I am the light of the world but the night is coming when no man can work which was that great abomination of desolation standing in the holy places...The pulpits and churches...The last 2 k yrs have been nothin but wars and rumors of wars...The day of the Lord cannot come till there 1 st come a great falling away and that man of sin be revealed...Which is mans adamic nature....And the Tares that have to be joined with the wheat...Till the Harvest

Jesus said when you see the great falling away that great abomination of desolation standing in the Holy places..Run to the mountains..Even Paul said when that which is Perfect is come that New Covenant that which is done in parts (Churchanity ) shall be done away with...Remember that image in Daniel 2 had to be done away with...Which is the early Church that was all in parts...The silver and the gold and the iron and brass down to the feet part iron and part clay...But it was all done away with...When That which is perfect is come is the New Covenant in his blood...All of Churchanity will be done away with...Even the big mega Churches will be done away with which is the head of Gold..But if I be lifted up i will draw

Mark 10:8-9 KJV.

To be born again is to let the past go and to look without condemnation upon the present.

Peace

GOD IS

Hello again Alex, thanks for your response.

I believe that the church got it right on this topic for the past 2000 years.

Also, I believe that the kingdom began with the first advent of Jesus. He said to Pilate, "My kingdom is not of this world."

Therefore, it is a heavenly, spiritual kingdom in which He has been reigning since He completed His redemptive work and ascended to the Father to sit at His right hand, which is the "throne of David" spoken of by the prophets.

Jesus will not usher in an earthly kingdom, in my opinion, as dispensationalists state, but His kingdom is heavenly, eternal, and nontemporal.

As Paul says in 1 Tim. 6:15, Jesus IS NOW King of kings and Lord of lords.

Col. 1:13 says that we have already been transferred from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light in Jesus.

Pray for me something is not I fell not right and pray for all curses and spills that are controlling my life

Jim Bob, I agree. Jesus said it plainly here. But I find no Scripture that plainly speaks of a "secret rapture" pre-tribulation.

all souls are mine,

the soul that sinneth, it shall die

The KJV was translated from the received text the Textus Receptus ( my spelling may be off ), while the more modern versions used the Alexandrian scrolls, which were proven incorrect and NOT inspired by the Holy Ghost. God can touch someone's heart reading a newspaper, even so, the Authorized King James Version is the closest and most accurate translation in English we have of God's Word.

I would be cautious if reading other modern translations ie. such as " The Max Lucado" study bible, as they are NOT His Word. Let God be true and be every man a liar.

Jer. Ch.23 is written to pastors and prophets, in verse 36 it says And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every mans word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God. The word perverted is #2015 in Hebrew, it means to turn about or over, ((to change)), overturn, pervert.

I just want to thank God for the Word - I find so many verses comforting. Although my understanding is sloight, my faith is strong and these words comfort me through the rough parts of life. By reading I feel God with me when I'm alone.

Read 1 Cor.15:23-28, then read Rev.20:11-15. It will be at the great white throne judgment when death is destroyed.

What about Mt.24:29-31? Immediately after the tribulation the Son of man comes in the clouds to gather together his elect! I agree completely Jesus is coming back but Mt.24:29 tells us its not before the tribulation, but AFTER it!

The KJB is the pure Words of the LORD that was promised to be preserve for ever!

Hi Caleb ...Good Question...The Cross at Calvary was to Atone for the sins of the world...But there is a 2 nd facet to the Cross which is Multiplication of Christ seed which is hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto babes the H.G which is the multiplication of Christ via his good seed .....Smite the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand to the little ones...Zech...13:7...Impling multiplication that great Promise...I will multiply thy seed as the stars of Heaven...By the disobedience of 1 man sin was passed on to all the world no exceptions...Automatically to every PERSON ever born in their seed,.. thus there was none righteous no not one, And God wanted everybody righteous...Thus the blood of the lamb WILL BE passed on to everybody AFTER THE BOOK IS OPENED...In Adam we all die but in Christ we will all live...Plz note they don't sing that New song till after the book is opened.

Had he not died there wd have been only 1 Christ...But b/c of his death he will be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Thats y he said unless a seed dies it will abide alone but if it dies it will bring forth much fruit...Impling many Christ,..Thats y he is saying Whosoever received one such Child in my name receiveth me...A baby Christ the H.G. That Child of Promise....That New Creature....nothin availeth any thing in Christ Jesus but a New Creature...Not Circumcision nor uncircumcision but a Baby Christ the H.G. is that New Creature....And if any man be in Christ Jesus he is a New Creature..Its very important that we understand this 2 nd facet of multiplication of the Cross...God Almighty swore by his very self when he made this Promise of multiplication of Christ seed the words of the book..That N.C.

1st facet of the cross was...Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world

2 nd facet is Multiplication.... Gen 22:17....I will multiply thy seed as the stars of Heaven....Thus the sower and his seed the babes and sucklings Spirits.

Please is it biblical to use these book, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch Jashier etc as a christian? what are their source are they of God almighty.

Thank you

Gi-Gi...I understand your position...Its the very same position of the Church World...And these things are hid from the wise and prudent ( Churchanity) ..But revealed unto babes and sucklings that are hid till the womans gives birth to the Children... Rev 12:10

Gi Gi....Plz note the Kingdom does not come till the woman births the Children....These Children are spirits as Jesus said that which is BORN of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that Child of Promise...They are the result of the sower and his seed the contents of the book,...That New Covenant in his blood...Unless you receive the Kingdom of GOD as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...Thats y Jesus said the spirit of truth cannot speak of himself...Simply b/c he has to be BORN IN US...He is just a spiritual infant...And infants cannot speak for a while...As Gal 4 :1 says The heir as long as he is CHILD differs nothin from a servant tho he be LORD of ALL...Thats the H.G. that has to be born in us via the seed of Jesus...Thats y he has to know us in order to sow his incorruptible seed in our hearts...We cannot be bornagain of his incorruptible seed unless he knows us...Thats y he is saying b/c i have spoken these words ( his good seeds ) sorrows have filled your hearts....A woman when she is in travail has sorrows but after the Child (the H.G.) comes her sorrows are turned into JOY...GiGi how can you not see this heavenly birth of a baby Christ via the seed of Christ....That was the great Promise I will multiply thy seed as the stars of Heaven...Thus the babes and sucklings (Spirits) that are gona be born in us...Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN...Which is mankinds fruit unto God.. Romans 7:4 A Baby Christ...She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations which is that Spirit of truth that is gonna be born in us that cannot speak for a season simply b/c he is just a spirtual infant...ok lemme go. GBU Gi-Gi...I pray that God reveals his son in you which is H.G

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