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Matthew 24, Mark 13,

Please know "rapture" is not in the Bible, please read & study for yourself, Truth 2Timothy 2:15,

Job 14:12-14, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, 2Thessalonians 2,

Revelation 10:7, Revelation 6:9-17, notice Jesus says Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13,

Hopefully these are helpful

Hello Ruby. I'm not an adversary, whomever they might be. And so may I be permitted to respond?

There are differing opinions on these verses, but my understanding is this: the Hebrews writer continues his thought from chapter 1, of Christ's superiority over the angels (something the Jews would've balked at, since this Jesus, to them, was just an ordinary man of a humble, poor, despised disposition). But referring to angels, God had not put them "in subjection to the world to come" ( Hebrews 2:5); here the "world" (oikoumene) means the 'inhabited world' & not a future state of the world. But God had set man, even to the sons of men, in a lower position to the angels, "crowning him with glory & honour", over all His creation. What was intended, never came to fruition, as man relegated his honored position by giving way to sin; he might still exercise much control though inadequately, even flawed, but he could never have "all things put under him" (v8).

And then verse 9: "But we see Jesus": also made a little lower than the angels, for the specific purpose of sacrifice, but now "crowned with glory and honour". Where man had failed to hold what his Creator had blessed him with, Jesus came & received that Glory & Power, even becoming the "captain of our salvation", "bringing many sons unto glory" - making all creation subject to Him & also those who have turned to Him.

When will we see this (v8) happen? I think, when Jesus returns to Earth, with His saints ruling with Him and Satan is bound. All creation will once again be subject to the Son of man & to the sons of men; but fully realized when Satan is finally cast into the Lake of Fire & the new heavens & earth are ushered in.

Yes, Ruby Lea, we all should give heed to these Scriptures, for we are in the times spoken of in the Scriptures when there will be much error, deception, false prophecy and evil spirits trying to mislead us. Thanks for the reminder.

Good evening, Ruby Lea,

I don't believe that anyone on this forum is your adversary. We are brethren. But we can speak to what others post as to whether we agree or not and why or say when we think something posted seems to be in error. This is our responsibility as brethren. But I hope that you have a good evening and refrain from spending too much time thinking that any of us are your adversary. Praying for one another is always in order. This is what I usually do when a conversation becomes uncomfortable or challenging. I will be praying for you tonight during my prayer time.

Oh, and welcome to this site, as it seems that you are new. I may be wrong on that. But I am glad to have you here. God will do good work in all of us here.

Sister Sammi:

Most people will be saved after the second resurrection.

Those in the first resurrection are saved in the feast of the passover, they will never see death, death passes over them, they are translated into the kingdom: all else will die, be raised back to their flesh, judged by the words of God, just as the firstfruits were, brought to truth, in the feast of the ingathering, the feast of tabernacles, the second resurrection, AND when they come to truth, they will die a second time, and be translated into the kingdom, just like the firstfruits.

The second can't take place till all the firstfruits are gathered. The firstfruits are the ones that will judge the earth and give those in the second resurrection the same inheritance as they were given, eternal life.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the SONS OF GOD.

Romans 8:21 For the creation itself ALSO shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (death) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

God Bless YOU, I will answer any questions and show you were to find the answers, most answers are in Mosses and the prophets, just ask, if i miss a question ask again.

Thank you One-eighty, I appreciate that you have detected this attitude in me, as it is so very true of my heart, I never wish to be hurtful to anyone, but do want to follow the lead of the Holy Spirit and not be fearful to speak what seems best. I know we do not agree on all things, but I am thankful we continue to communicate and share. We are "sharpening" one another and that is always a good thing. Our conversations compel us to go to the Word of God for clarity, authority, and teaching.

And, yes, we need to be humble enough to be able to take criticism, correction, or opposition. Any of us can err and most of the time we have right understanding of the doctrines of the faith. Sometimes we just need a little more "light" to bring us to fuller understanding.

I desire to have a teachable, amenable mind and heart. I care about others on here and desire others to be comfortable with bringing forward their ideas. There are many on here who are so solid in their faith and doctrine and give such good answers. So thankful for them!

Have a blessed night, One-Eighty. I keep you in my prayers along with others who I frequently converse with on this site.

Hello Sammi, This is the 2nd time today this verse in Jn 12:32 has come to me. It makes me wonder like you are wondering.

This was said by Jesus after raising Lazarus from the dead; after His anointing with oil by the woman in Behtany; and after His triumphal entry into Jerusalem when all the people hailed Him as the expected Messianic King. He had just addressed some Greeks who came to Jerusalem to worship and had asked to see Him. This is where He said "He who love His life will lose it; and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. And then He called those around Him to follow Him if they wish to serve Him.

In the next section He said that His soul was troubled, being absorbed concerning His upcoming suffering and death, the bearing of the sins of the world and receiving in His body and soul the full wrath of God for sin. But ends His thoughts by saying, "But for this purpose I came to this hour. Father, glorify Your name." Jesus knew that His purpose was to live a sinless life and then take our sins to the cross to die in our place and take the hell of God's wrath as our substitute. Only He, being both man and God could do this work. It was the eternal plan and purpose of God for creating all things to begin with, -to redeem a people for Himself to abide with Him forever in His love, grace, and mercy.

Next, Jesus says "Now is the judgment of this world, now is the ruler of this world (Satan) cast down. And if I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men (peoples) to myself."

So, it may be that in being lifted up on the cross to die for us, Jesus, by taking away the sins of the world, opens the way for men to draw near to God in Christ. He draws men to Him, not in judgment for their sins, but in invitation to receive what He wrought on the cross. All can come to the cross of Christ and be saved. It may be saying that God provides grace for each person to be able to come to faith, but then again, not all will act on this grace.

Ani,

James 1:5,

Exodus 20, Exodus 31:12-17, note Exodus 31:16,17, Exodus 35:1-2, Leviticus 16:29-34, Leviticus 23, Leviticus 24:8,9,

Leviticus 25, Deuteronomy 5, Matthew 12, Matthew 28:1-9, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:52,53,54,56, John 19:31, Mark 1:21,

2Chronicles 36:20-21, Isaiah 58, Jeremiah 17, Amos 8, Matthew 25:31-46, Mark 3:4, John 5:10,16 hypocrisy & cruelty, John 7:22,23, Malachi 3:5,

Nehemiah 10:31, Nehemiah 13:14-27, Isaiah 56,

Colossians 2:16,

Hopefully these are all helpful in your study & Bible Study.

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Fourthly, the Ten Commandments were given to Israel & were binding upon them. Some of their objectives were:

a. to reveal the Holiness of the Eternal God to His people, Israel: Leviticus 19:2; Leviticus 20:7-8.

b. to set Israel apart as distinct from all the other nations: Exodus 19:5.

c. to reveal man's sinfulness: Galatians 3:19. Although the Law is "holy, just & good ( Romans 7:12), it did not provide salvation for the nation of Israel; and it cannot provide salvation to anyone who wants to or tries to keep the Law. No one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin ( Romans 3:20; Acts 13:38-39).

d. to show to humanity that not one person can fully keep the Law but everyone falls short of God's Standard of Holiness. Realizing that, should cause us to cast ourselves upon a Merciful God for His Forgiveness. When Jesus came, He fulfilled the requirements of the Law completely and by His death fully paid the penalty for their breaking it ( Galatians 3:24; Romans 10:4). Therefore, by His Obedience, He was qualified to be the accepted Sacrifice for all mankind, for all of our sins ( Hebrews 10:10-12). If Jesus failed in fully keeping the Law, He would have been disqualified as a Savior - all mankind would be forever stuck in the quagmire of their sins & hell would be the destiny. But He was raised from the dead to show His Father's acceptance, our justification & deliverance ( Romans 4:23-25).

I hope you can see Ani, that even though there was nothing wrong with the Law, even keeping the Sabbath by Israel, anyone who puts themselves under the Law (i.e. to find forgiveness or acceptance by God by it), is doomed to fail. Our Rest - continual rest (Sabbath) is now found in Jesus & not in Law-keeping & we can only be subject now to the Holy Spirit who enables us to fulfil both the spirit of the Law & finding the true rest in Christ Jesus ( 2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Romans 8:1-4).

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Hi Ani. GiGi has shared accurately with you and I would like to add some more thoughts for your study & consideration.

I'm unsure where you obtained this particular Bible study book from, as it's clearly slanted towards 'keeping of the Law'. Does your Church support this teaching or are you doing this study by personal choice?

Firstly, the Jewish Sabbath has always been the Saturday (from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday) & was given to Israel as part of the other commandments for them to observe ( Exodus 20:8-11). Why was this particular Command given? It was the seventh day when the LORD ceased from His Work of creating & it was for a remembrance when God brought out His people "with a mighty hand & a stretched out arm": i.e. from the perennial state of bondage & hard labor in Egypt to a time of liberty & rest. Even when Israel collected their food (Manna) while in the desert, they were not allowed to gather it on the seventh day ( Exodus 16:19-30), indicating the sanctity of the Sabbath Day.

Secondly, the Christian observance of Sunday, is not a redefining of the Jewish Sabbath - it is what is termed, the Lord's Day ( Revelation 1:10), or the First Day of the Week ( Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2) - never the Sabbath.

Thirdly, the Church is not required to observe the Jewish Sabbath as we were never in bondage in Egypt & brought into Canaan. We were however, once in bondage to sin & the flesh & now given a glorious forgiveness & release into the Lord's Rest. See Matthew 11:28-30 and Hebrews 4:1-11. Not only is the Christian given Christ's Peace in his heart, but also a resulting rest that comes only from Him. And yet, there is also a coming rest ( Hebrews 4:9), where the word here is 'sabbatismos', or Sabbath Rest: a rest in God's Presence that will be one continual Sabbath Rest, when our earthly toils & hardships are finally over.

Genesis 1:21-23,

Psalms 37, Psalms 91, Psalms 56:3, Psalms 16:1, Proverbs 30:5, Psalms 71:1, Psalms 4:5, Matthew 6, Luke 12, Psalms 125:1, Proverbs 29:25, Nahum 1:7, Proverbs 3:5, Psalms 141:8,

Hopefully these are encouraging to you in this time

Mark 10:8-9 luv

Genesis 2:22-25 kjv.

Amen Brother Alex:

Isaiah 26:11 Lord, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they SHALL SEE, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.

God Bless YOU!

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To my adversaries, with love:

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet, For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see NOT YET all things put under him.

When do you believe this will happen?

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will DO NOTHING, but he revealeth his secret to his servants THE PROPHETS.

Thank you it helped alot, but when you say get over that initial excitement , what about when christ says return to your first love, the zeal you had when you first believed- 'im paraphasing' Revelation 2:4

i have this question tho, when christ referes to how the rich struggle to enter the kingdom of heaven, or james 1.10. i used to think that was rich by a worthly material standard, but is the tearm rich also meant to the spiritually, rich christians who are rich in what they have, is that not a sense of riches, that one can fall in the same way too? ?

Thank you for that, i agree also with that. when those test come and you come across a false teacher that misleads you, should rebuking or forgiving silently be the first call, as you try to honor the Lord our God.

it makes me angry but then, i know i dont know it all either...

Hi , is it possible , that when it says that Christ will draw all men to him , that this might be referring to when he returns ? I know that every word in the Bible is true , I also know that at this time all men are not rushing to Christ right now , could it be something that will happen in the future ? I would appreciate your thoughts on this , thanks .

Joe:

at some point you will let go, and understand, that your just the body, christ is the life.

god promises that he will keep pressing you, till christ be formed in you.

god bless you!

Hi GiGi,

I'm in complete agreement regarding your comment to Spencer on speaking boldly. We should be able to do this respectfully, which shouldn't be difficult for you, as I've witnessed all your comments as caring, hospitable, thoughtful, etc. Also, I would even welcome a reminder if and when I do the opposite, or possibly even approaching such negative attitudes. The ego is a difficult concept to relinquish, yet it is a goal of mine.

May we all in the Name of Jesus, ask the Father to keep us mindful of His Love for us and ours for Him, and each other.

Peace

GOD IS

Please pray the Lord would grant me the grace to give Him my sense of weakness. To trust that He's completely in control and I don't have to be involved with everything that concerns me. I fight this, and it hurts to even consider letting go, but that's what I really want: to just trust Him. Please remember me in prayer.

Dear Ani, I think that we are to obey all of the Commands that Jesus and the apostles affirmed as binding on the Christian believer. But Jesus and Paul both have removed the obligation to keep a Saturday Sabbath, because we have entered into the 'rest" promised of God through salvation by faith. The other commandments, Jesus spoke extensively about in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7 are binding because they are how we are to love God and others. The Sabbath was made for man, not for God, with the intention that we have rest from our labors.

Dear Alex, Your doctrine of universal salvation regardless of belief or unbelief in Jesus and His work as well as your doctrine of God being born and replicated in us is what is in error.

Refer to John 3:18-19 and Luke 13:3 (Jesus said to repent or perish)

The Sciptures says that the Holy Spirit, Christ, and the Father all come to dwell within the believer, but all are not remade into baby gods in us, nor replicated in our human persons.

Read Ephesians 2:22 and Ephesians 3:17

John 14:17 and John 14:23

God does not change, as in the Spirit being born in us as child that grows. Only Jesus was Incarnated, not the Holy Spirit.

Read Psalm 102:27 and Hebrews 1:12 and Malachi 3:6

Alex, I know that we have addressed these doctrines before, but I still believe that YOU are the one in direct opposition to the revealed Word of God.

Bless you today, Alex. Always, love in Christ.

Good afternoon, S. Spencer. I do think we should speak boldly and be straightforward when it comes to addressing error and those who speak it forth on here. They are being bold in promoting their doctrines. We, too, can be equally bold, and should be. There will always be those who just do not like it when someone names names and highlights how a doctrine is in error. But we are exhorted to do so in Scripture and there is a good reason for this exhortation: to keep others from being led astray from the truth of God's revealed Word.

We are certainly to be loving and gracious in our wording in our attitude towards others, but we should not cower back when someone complains about "judging" or being "unaccepting" or "taking the plank out of one's eye before attempting to take the speck out of another's eye." We contend for the truth because it truly matters. It is just as much a command as it is to be hospitable to others.

Maybe the one posted to may not be receptive but we can pray that there may be others who have the same Spirit and are. We can always pray for any who we disagree with or who's doctrines are at odds with Scripture. And, definitely, we should pray for wisdom and guidance as to how we are to respond and what to say.

So, keep up the good work. You and I have had some differences, but we have been mature and caring, so that we can work through differences and continue having meaningful, appropriate, and sincere dialogue and mutual concern for one another. i appreciate that!

thank you LORD for everlasting love

Nehemiah 8 "my strength is in the joy of my Lord" but I feel this circumstance has lasted as long as Sarah's barrenness. all I'm asking is when will this burden be lifted.

What made King James Bible so popular over the other version?

Daniel,

It will happen when the Father tells the Son to go and get the church!!!