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Hi Uncelebrated. As you've read the whole Book of Jude, the emphasis is in v 4, "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." This speaks of those who entered the Church & were teaching & leading people away from the Truths they received, even from the Lord Jesus Christ.

And Jude gives further examples of those influenced by wickedness & being led away, as those among the angels who departed & of those of Sodom & Gomorrah who gave themselves over to all manner of wickedness (vv 6,7).

Israel, who received a wonderful liberation from Egyptian bondage, experienced the LORD's Hand upon them in their journeyings to the Promised Land, in spite of their complaints & frustrations. Though these were God's special people, receiving His Favor & Blessings, they were still unregenerate & living in the flesh. They needed the continual teaching & direction of Moses to be kept on the path of trust in God & perseverance, but even Moses despaired of them; as we also read the Apostle's Pauls account of their behavior in 1 Corinthians 10:1-11. All who sinned against the LORD perished in the wilderness - never seeing the Promised Land.

So the warning in Jude (& 2 Corinthians), is to believers to not follow after those, even those in their midst or congregations, who are divisive & trying to pervert God's Word, leading believers away from the Truth. These people stand condemned by God & will suffer even as those who choose to follow their pernicious ways.

Yet, for the true believer, not the counterfeits, the Spirit within them will gently correct even chastise the erring ones that they might apprehend the Truth. If they continue to disobey, then the life will be removed so that Jesus' Name will no longer be shamed, even before unbelievers, that the spirit might be saved in that coming day ( 1 Corinthians 5:5).

Thank you Ruthmay. I so the prayers other make for me. It blesses my heart and I know that God hears and will answer in the best ways.

Thanks LaTonya, I will keep you posted. I am so glad your transplant has worked so well for you! Amazing God!

please pray for salvation for my daughter valeria, diego, ximena, nubia, mother, alicia, louie, sandra, jimmy, gary, nazario, ernesto, ernie, abby, genesis, lionela, daniela, amanda, chris, armando, maria, miguel, fabiola, rita, phil, chelo, loyda, husband, kids, allen, mikey, stephanie, lizzy and their kids, sarah, sammy, ethan, nikkis, neighbors, classmates, teachers, coworkers.

Gigi I've been thinking about you please let us all know how your appointment goes tomorrow. Keep you in my prayers All is well and happy birthday to you. Please put on the armour of God in Jesus name Amen.

Please pray for financial increase for Shawna Perry. Thank you for praying.

Trust in God (continued).

Prayer (continued) I have seen a couple times how the Lord was able to be glorified in difficult marriage situations. One case involved a client where I used to be employed who was going through a divorce apparently from a very abusive man who wasn't seeking it but because of the pressure from her estranged husbnad was going through the proceedings. She asked to pray with me about it and I asked for God's will to be done. Eventually within a couple years the man passed from this earth unexpectantly. This lady demonstrated unconditional love toward this man despite what had been a long history of threatenings and troubles. Admittedly she seemed to have some issues of her own; but nonetheless it seems the prayer was answered according to His will.

The second situation involved an alcoholic husband who last summer was back into rehab after a relapse. It appears that he wasn't violent toward his wife; but nonetheless she requested prayer at the time. He also died shortly after with the damage to his liver. Her joyful countenance throughout these struggles that also involved other family members and grandchildren was a great demonstration of faith in difficult circumstances.

Sadly there are cases where tragic events happen even for those who we pray for regularly. There is no doubt; however that prayer affects things; most notably in scripture when prayer was given all night for Peter in jail in Acts 12:5-17. Of course that worked for Paul and Silas during their midnight prayer and praise as well in Acts 16. My point is that we may or may not know the results of those who we don't know or aren't present with physically; but we are like minded with those who are suffering for His Name's sake.

Of course in order to give thanksgiving for all things we need to have a TRUST in God that He works out all things for the good for those who LOVE HIM. ( Romans 8:28). That holds true to our death in whatever form He chooses.

Agape

I have Jesus on my side

my life is hard.

Gen. 7:16 And they that went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in. (flesh) #1320: Hebrew: body, person, (by euphem.) the pudenda of a man:- body, (fat,lean) flesh (-ed) (man-) kind,+ nakedness, self, skin. 2 went in from all races.

Love , gentleness , peace and kindness , to you and everyone on here . We must be gentle and kind and forgiving towards each other and not quick to pounce on each other even if we think we have a right to do so , that would be our own pride speaking to us . When we think we see a fault in some one , remember to remove the plank of wood from our own eye first . We are all valuable on here , precious to our Saviour who is listening and watching always , he is our judge . Psalm 86 . Peace to you .

Giannis:

I agree with ever word you spoke in your comment.

I have a question, and would like your to meditate on that question?

All the scriptures you quoted about being born again now; instead of later, at the death of this body, were written 1900 years ago.

You were not born as of yet but your were already born again.

God always speaks as if it has already happen, in his eyes the works are finished.

Psalms 90:9 .....we spend our years as a tale that is (already) told.

Hebrews 4:3 ..... the works were finished from the foundations of the world.

1 Timothy 4:10 ....who is the saviour of ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.

God Bless You!

1 Jn.3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brothers righteous.

Trust in God.

In prayer; specifically we need to trust in God. One example recently from a gentleman in church who confided to me about his long term estrangement from his wife meant that I had to pray "in my closet" initially. Now that another has brought up the subject I am able to pray with them on that subject. I also got to see how God is answering the prayer; namely with the kids she has in an "Awana" youth group who begged their mom to go and hence she got to attend the event with her kids once or twice as a result of that. She apparently is hostile enough to have thrown out pamphlets before from this event so that gives further insight. Finally; after giving a general appeal without specifics for the man to my pastor as to his personal issues; I found out that he may indeed not be truly saved due to some doctrinal issues; despite his obvious loving stance toward his 2 youngest kids.

Another interesting example comes from not just my current church but a former one that I attended in Pittsburgh. The similar factor was the extensive campaign to pass out literature advertising the church. These seemed disastrous in terms of boosting attendance; but website information was surprisingly consistent in almost weekly additions to new attendees which I am starting to see here but to a lesser magnitude as yet. A big part of the lesson here is that God draws those He sees fit to; and is more often than not those already believers or those searching for truth. Consistant evangelism is something which eventually produces results; although I had seen that more in small groups in the past who would meet at home studies and that was among my friends who came from several different fellowships who reguarly did street witnessing; and in some cases prison fellowship. As to my point; God has brought more people in the door; but perhaps by a different method than expected.

Thus; longsuffering and perseverance brings results in many cases; and especially in prayer.

How can there be a deception if no one is deceived ? My friends told me not to give any personal info , be careful to protect my identity on the internet etc , I'm still learning the rules . I'm shy , I'm guessing others are too , surely we are all allowed to be a bit cagey when it comes to personal info ? Doesn't the message matter more than the messenger ? I have female relatives who always say they are men in chat rooms etc , just to keep safe . Live and let live I think in these circumstances , people may have reasons that you , we , aren't aware of ? Peace to you brother .

As a final sidenote; Mescesh and Tubal have been ascribed as Moscow and another Russian city with the name of the second reference. It depends who you talk to in that regard; the point I would state is that DESCENDANTS with those names generally went to certain regions as well as specific cities. It seems that Russia leads the invasion along with a league of others; and that specifically indicates their alliance now with Turkey as well as Iran. Syria certainly is involved as well at least with present alliances; and if we look at recent history the Orthodox church is a common denominator as well which ties these nations together. It seems Isaiah 17 could happen in the Psalm 83 event and/or previous to the Ezekiel 38 event and could be caused by an Israeli strike. Time will tell.

I would tend to think that there is a good argument that it is Turkey. It also is a surrounding nation to Russia and one of those nations which it seems Russia is allied with; as recent events seem to show. The common factor here has to involve an economic one as the passage indicates; therefore it is more consistent with a nationalistic viewpoint of Russia which would be more amenable to other nations which have ethnic Russians as is the case now rather than necessarily a Communist region; although it is plausible that it could once again lean that way should the Lord tarry. The economic ties are what holds together a largely Muslim group of nations with Russia as well as there has been opposition in the past (such as with Afghanistan) where the Russians tried 9 times to invade and finally gave out back in the late 70's.

We need to keep in mind the geographic intersection of the final composite Beast system as well which no doubt involves nations that were part of the Babylonian; Persian; Roman and Greek empires that focus on the Turkey area and one or two other countries. There is; of course the Geopolitical divide with the Shiite Muslim nations (mainly in the north) and the Sunni in the south who now are allying more with Israel (and as the passages indicate will sort of be neutral once the great invasion occurs) as verse 12 points out. Clearly; the line is drawn between these regions and it seems to me that parts of Daniel 11 and 12 involving the kings of the north and south may repeat some of the same things that happened during the time of Antiochus.

I have also suggested that the Psalm 83 war likely will happen first; and more controversially may begin the final generation as we have gone so far past 1948 for it to remain viable as I see it. In any event Israel must feel confident enough to be unsuspecting and a "land of unwalled villages" which it clearly isn't YET. (see verse 11).

Hope this helps somewhat. Gog also is an ancient site in Turkey.

Thank you for that , very helpful , we shall all of us know everything when Christ returns and changes us from this body of sinful flesh into incorruptible newness of life eternal .Until then , we have this forum to hash it out and encourage each other . Thanks again .

Thanks for that , one thing I know for sure , I shall only be clean when I'm rid of this body of flesh , then we shall all know everything clearly , thanks for your encouragement .

Book of Leviticus

Now that I have completed this book I am amazed at how much I have learned! I have read this book time and again in the past without really understanding it much. But this time, God has richly blessed me with so much good instruction. I am thankful to have taken the time to really search it and study, rather than try to breeze over it lightly, thinking it is only Old Testament stuff.

I am glad that I do not feel compelled to study through these books quickly or at any certain pace or along any timeline. I can take all the time God gives me to delve into these books without feeling hurried. So thankful!

Galatians 3:7 certainly could be an answer to your question. It isn't merely the physical descendants of Abraham who are true children of God ( Romans 9:7-10). God has a remnant that He saves from both the Old and New Dispensations ( 1 Kings 19); Matthew 7:21).

Keep in mind also the difference between physically being preserved for a time and spiritual deliverance. These are both realities for the children of God in reverse order. In New Testament times as with Old many are called but few chosen ( Matt. 22:14). There are other verses showing how some experience some of the benefits of being in God's presence ( Hebrews 6:4) are still not ultimately saved. The parable of the sower and the seed illustrate this fact showing how the seed of truth must eventually not only take root but produce fruit. God enables that His Spirit reproduces good fruit in our lives as evidence that it is indwelling; not merely an external event. Hence all true believers are "sealed" until the Day of Redemption ( Ephesians 4:30).

In God's Providence there are some; such as the 1/3 that are preserved "going through the fire" ( Zechariah 13:9) who appear to make it physically through the Tribulation to repopulate the earth in the Millennium. That will include the handful of Gentiles that make it; although man is said in general to be "rarer than the gold of Ophir" who makes it through that way ( Isaiah 13:12).

Thus; these verses and a multitude of others makes it imperative that we "test ourselves to see if we are in the faith". ( 2 Corinthians 13:5). I personally believe that through God's sanctification process we all must get beyond our initial excitement over being a new believer as well as the trials of persecution AND temptations of the world to be "tested and approved" as true believers as part of the process of chastisement as God's adopted children. ( Romans 12:2; etc). The end of all those called and chosen in Him is glorification (read all of Romans 8:30).

Hope this helps.

Leviticus Chapter 27

Here I am at the end of this Book. This chapter speaks mostly of voluntary offerings made to God by a vow and then a few verses concerning three types of tithe.

The emphasis is for a person to carefully consider any vow they make to the Lord being sure it is one they can gladly fulfill and not desire to take back from God.

Jesus said, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's."

So just as paying taxes to Caesar is a "no take back" action, giving to God what He has rightful claim to is a "no take back" action, too.

Jesus said to let our "yes be yes and our No be No" and warned against vowing. We are to be true to our word and promises, just as God is true to His Word and promises. He does not lie, deceive, cheat, or take advantage of us, but He works for our benefit. We should have such an attitude towards others.

Jesus said to "count the cost" of following Him. We should be eager to obey God, but we do need to realize that following Him is a giving of "all of me to all of You" life.

God instructed the Pharisees about what they were setting apart for the Lord as Corban (holy unto the Lord), chastising them for doing this to avoid caring for their parents and family members in need, when what they set aside for the Lord also benefitted them, as the priests were to partake of what was offered to the Lord. We should be careful that our service "to the Lord" doesn't cause us to neglect our family and their needs. We serve first in our immediate family and then in the church. How easily children and aging parents can be significantly neglected by good meaning parents who are over dedicated to church work and functions. Pretty soon, the aging parents are gone and children are adults and the opportunity for closeness that could have been is now long passed and the family suffers.

So, we should daily seek the Lord as to what we will give to Him each day. This daily walk is what He wants more than big vows/offerings.

Ashley, my eldest daughter, is calm, collected, cool-tempered, tolerant, carefully wise to speak & reply, healthy, sound & whole, Ashley is slow to become angry, very understanding, wise and loving and gentle towards others, in Jesus Mighty Name, Ashley is guided by YHWH in what to do with C.S. and is successful in accomplishing her degree this May, many unspokens, Lord grant her travel mercies always, in Jesus Mighty Name, Amen.

Sammi

1 Peter 1:22-24

"22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23 Being born again (that means "because you have been born", NOT "because you will be born"), not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you."

James 1:18

"Of his own will begat (past tense) he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

John 1:12-13

"12 But as many as received him, to them gave (as soon as they receive him, NOT in the future) he power to become the sons of God), even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were (past tense) born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

GBU

When we fast It should be pleasing to the Lord sweet aroma that reaches heaven Break every strong hold bring us closer to the Lord Amen

Oh Alex, so sorry to hear of the tornado and the damage. Hopefully, relief and help will be prompt for those who are displaced.

I have been learning so much in my journey through the Old Testament! Glad you are finding my posts interesting and helpful.

Sammi:

Christ constantly caught flack from his peers, he said we should expect the same thing.

You have ALREADY BEEN RESURRECTED.

John 11:25 ....I am the resurrection, and the LIFE .....

Revelation 20:6 Blesses and HOLY is he that hath part in the first resurrection ......

1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling the light (the presence of God, Abraham's bosom) ....

1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal SHALL put on IMMORTALITY ---Christ only hath immortality ---

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (the new creation, the born again) a BODY (you are the BODY OF CHRIST) as it hath pleased him (the Father), and to every SEED his (the Father's) OWN BODY (Christ is the body of the Father).

Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY (man, Christ being the FIRST among many BROTHERS, joint heirs), ONE SPIRIT

Ephesians 4:5 ONE GOD and Father of ALL, above ALL, and through ALL, and in you ALL.

John 16:8 And when he (the spirit of Christ) comes (it began at Pentecost, the feast of the FIRSTFRUITS) he will reprove the world of SIN .....

John 16:9 Of SIN because they BELIEVE NOT ON ME -----I am THE LIFE, man is my BODY, man does what the will of God causes him to do ---

Romans 9:21 Hath not the POTTER (the spirit of Christ) POWER OVER THE CLAY (the potter's body) of the SAME LUMP to make one vessel (the potter's body) to HONOUR and another to DISHONOUR.

Luke 16:6 The law and prophets were until John: SINCE THAT TIME, the kingdom of God is preached, and every man PRESSES INTO IT.

Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great WINEPRESS of the wrath of God.

We are the grapes of the vine, and we have to be PRESSED to become the NEW WINE ---this is a parable ---

God Bless You as HE leads you to all truth.

Don't let your angry over come you

It's okay to be angry

What is angry?

Don't let angry grow just let it go

How do you let it go

We must forgive and love one another

God is with us at all times

Seek opportunity to show love

Speak to the sprite not the person

Jesus is the answer, as Christian we must show love at all times

Can we love like Christ? Can you do the same?

Good Morning My Brothers and Sisters,

I am requesting prayer for my girlfriend. She was diagnosed with Brain Cancer on her Pituitary Gland about a month ago. Each reoccurring appointment after that has only been filled with bad news. It's just been extremely hard on us and we're struggling with hope. Please keep her in your minds and in your prayers. May the Lord grant us Petition and Pardon.

Hi Gigi - Thinking of you and Praying. May God Bless You.

Ruth