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i am never sure when I can quote people; I did once here and haven't been flagged as far as I know. Anyway; there are answers related to Revelation with the foundations and such that would indicate the 12 Patriarchs (for 12 tribes of Israel) as well as the 12 Apostles (sans Judas Iscariot) with the last either being Matthias or Paul. There are some things you can search online on the subject.

It would seem that those who are kings and priests in Rev. 5:9-10 are those of the church and also those who are rewarded and receive crowns and are raptured. This is not; in my opinion all those confessing Christ at this time as some aren't truly saved and others may be left behind. That is controversial but even if they are raptured or martyred; the Tribulation saints will be overcomers and saved but some according to 1 Cor. 3:15 get in by the "skin of their teeth" and suffer loss. There are also specific crowns for various rewards; such as for martyrs; those patiently waiting for His coming; pastor/elder; etc.

The exhortation of Revelation 3:11 is something I mention frequently. We can "lose a reward to another". The opposite may hold true as well; should we be teachable and desire to grow in the Lord discipled by more mature believers we may be able to gain heavenly rewards. We also gain treasures in heaven through investing our time; talents and monies to those truly serving the Lord.

Anyway; have a blessed Sunday of worship..

Agape. Rich P

Hello again, One eighty.

I mistakenly mentioned Donatists in my last post, but I meant Docetist, who emerged in the first century teaching that Jesus did not have a true human body. It was to these that the apostle John was speaking of in his epistles I cited.

Psalm 69:30 kjv, Hebrews 13:8 kjv.

My prayer request is pray for me that I will graduate from nursing school. Please bless me financially. Please pray and bless my family as well.

Issachar Baker,

Are you sure you are not referring to Peter instead of Paul. This seems like the account given to us in Acts Chapter 12.

Hi Renee.

We learn a lot about the 24 elders Revelation 5:9-10.

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast REDEEMED US TO GOD BY THY BLOOD out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

And hast made us unto our God KINGS AND PRIESTS: and we shall REIGN ON THE EARTH.

1) We know they were redeemed.

2) They were made Kings and priests.

3) They shall reign on earth.

I believe this represents the Church.

Here's why.

They were redeemed out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. Ephesians 1:7.

They were made kings and Priests.

1st Peter 1:9.

These kings and Priests shall reign on earth.

Revelation 1:5-6.

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Please pray for my mother Juanita Gutierrez. She had a heart attack this past Monday and has not recovered yet.. I ask for your prayers and fasting so that God can do a miracle.

I am attending a university in CA and doing my first research project on how disabled college students can academically succeed utilizing the disability service centers.

Please pray I do an excellent and thorough research paper to give insight on how the University of CA campuses can improve their practices and resources to better serve the disabled student.

Brian,

You left the best part out. Where you having dinner at?

Perhaps Psalm 110:3 is the verse I wanted to quote. Obedience; as Jesus Himself said occurs because we love Him ( John 14:15).

Perhaps also the concept of doing things as James states is a result of faith WITH works; without such it is not true faith at all.

All works of course originate from our heart; and it's condition of being either good or evil (good fruit vs bad) as the input result in the output and the "reward" in it. So for the unregenerate the law may constrain sin; for instance; but as Psalm 119 illustrates we learn to LOVE the law even though it is something without His strength that we cannot obey. So it is the same God who is present and seen in some form who we all interact with. Hebrews 6:4 makes it evident that there is some experiential commonality as it were with all men; but the difference is having the Lord make residence in our hearts vs. being on the outside looking in as it were. Admittedly these are tough concepts and no matter how much intellectual understanding there is we have certain things hidden to us as to the full meaning ( Deut. 29:29). Our own worst enemy is; of course our own self and sin within. Saints of God understand this and therefore He "chastises all He loves" ( Hebrews 12:6). This differentiates Judas Iscariot from Peter in regard to the betrayal and the end result; for example. In the short term; it may be hard to discern the wheat from the tares but for many time will prove what fruit is present in their lives although sadly it takes until the end of someone's life for it to be clear (and that is almost always bad news). In the end we can only exhort; and rebuke and hopefully some will be retrieved from "out of the fire" as it were. Those who are His own learn to listen to the HARD verses in scripture and are offended when a lukewarm message is being offered or it is compromised in any way.

Hope some of this helps. Agape. Rich P

Dear Heavenly Father, we come to You in the name of Jesus and ask that you will help Emily's friend during this danger of tornado in his vicinity. Please have the tornadoes dissipate and not cause harm to him or his community. Amen.

Dear Robert, I will pray for you today.

Dear Heavenly Father, we come to You today for healing for Robert. We ask in the name of Jesus that this infection will go away and that Robert will recover fully from his surgery without further complications. Father, Roberts looks to You for healing. We trust that You hear our prayers and will answer in the best ways. Amen.

Dear Marc, I will pray for you and your mom today.

Heavenly Father, Marc and his Mom are in dire need of help with finding a place to live that they can afford on the limited income they receive. So, we ask You in the name of Jesus, to provide a new living space for them that will accommodate all of their needs and be affordable for them. We ask that You bless Marc as he cares for his mom and bless her as she lives out the last years of her life here. Your abundant provision is what they need today, Lord, so we trust that You will provide over and above what they can ask of think because of Your love and mercy towards them. Amen.

The psalm points to our Lord Jesus Christ

GOD is not a man that HE should lie. Numbers 23:19

Mark 10:40, Matthew 20:23, Matthew 22:44,

Hopefully this is helpful

Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, James 2,

God's is going to get the rest of the rest rest the week I will be there for you tomorrow morning at noon time for you to come over for the day after I have dinner at

You know I have a Bible note for you Now roman do you know that Paul was a Roman he had a bad job if he saw people worshiping God....he would throw them into jail but now he has a new job given by god he would preach the gospel but he had some problems while he was preaching the gospel some people didn't like how pual was preaching the gospel so they throw him out of the city but he didn't stop he walked to the next city when he was preaching the gospel this time he was sent to prison but a angel of the LORD came to him and said put on your clothes and your sandals and follow me so that is what paul did so the gates were closed but they opened by itself so paul recognised that it was a vision so he went to Rhodo 's house and he knocked on the door she recognised that it was Paul so she went to Mary and said it is Paul so they opened the door and it was true so I'm just telling the story in a different way and that is the story of Paul.

Hi Giannis.

I believe Alsie is asking about "the image given" in Revelation 1:13-16. Is the description literally as what Christ really looks like.

Are you saying the vision John is seeing is the angel in verse 1?

If so, I believe the person "who I believe is Christ answers this in the text especially in verses 17 and 18.

And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

God bless.

Please pray for me. I have an infection from a surgery that's proving problematic. I need Gods healing power.

I have a question who is Amos?

Thanks Elliux2.

I agree.

As for the bible translations, I prefer the king James version.

However I don't believe Gods message don't depend on mans ability to "hear" and unlock the treasures with his intellectual insight.

I believe pride, hinders spiritual growth as well as partiality more do than bible translations.

God arm is not to short to where he would have a translation error thwart his plans.

You can pull up an outline or lesson on any book in the Bible and display it but yet don't even fully understand what is being displayed.

I believe Giannis or Chris said it in another post.

You should seek prayer regarding Pastoring a Church.

If God called one to preach or teach, He WILL teach. He will not be able to get away.

We layman have a responsibility with this treasure as well

Ephesians 4:1-32.

What about the tares in the Church?

Do we dispose of them like a bad translation? The Lord says no. Matthew 13:28-30.

What about building one another up in love? How do we do that?

By knowingly lying to them? Or truth?

How about false praises?

We are sold on great performances, great long intellectual speeches and a carnal display.

Our flesh is attracted to these things.

We coexist in a worldly culture that influence our Christian walk.

You see NOT speaking the truth you can avoid persecution.

I would rather have someone rebuke me "with correct scripture references" than to falsely lift me up.

The pastors and teachers, by the Spirit of God is to do their part (Minister to the sheep). Reception and spiritual growth depends on the condition of the believers heart.

God bless.

Jennifer, I pray that your day is going wonderfully and that you receive all that you ask for in your request. Amen.

Would like to ask for prayers for Christina and myself Ricky we have came together in a short time and believe it was by the hand of God and are getting engaged soon but have many issues to overcome legally and financially physically and mentally please join us in prayer for Gods glory

Katey,

I agree. We are born physically into this world and that physical birth cannot be reversed. It it the same for those who have been born of the Spirit of God. That spiritual birth that took place when we received Christ cannot be reversed either!

Hello Giannis,

I am a little confused on what you are saying here. It seems as though you are implying that man's free-will overrides God's will and that God will not interfere with our free will.

Am I missing something here? This doesn't seem like something you would say, and I could be just misunderstanding you. Hopefully that's the case.

Can you please explain what you mean by saying "God will do anything from His side but man has to respond, if not God can do nothing."

Are you saying that if it is Gods will for me to do something, and He puts it on my heart, but in my free will, I choose to do my own thing, God cannot do anything?

I'm not trying to create problems here, but just trying to understand what you are saying.

Thank you for your time and for the things you share!

Thank you Ronald, for clarifying this about the Passover.

One Saturday about 4 months ago Jesus came to my house, I didn't see him but we had a long conversation. I had received a message from First Free Church saying to take 30 seconds and pray for a better understanding when reading the word of GOD and I did. I started listening to the Bible through my hearing aids, and I had family over which kept interrupting me so I separated myself into the Garage. I started with the book of Revelation and then the New Testament, as it was playing

Jesus told me it was time to make a choice, laid out for me the cost, persecuted, beaten jailed even unto death. I said I was willing he told me to awaken the churches, then he told me he was going to sit at the right hand of the Father. I have been reading his word going to church and trying to figure out GOD's plan to awaken the churches. It is important that it be his will and not mine because the potential for harm is there.

Please pray for this to happen and for me that I do his will on earth as it is in Heaven.

To GOD alone be the Glory Honor and Power forever. Amen

Hello Alsie.

The Bible says that nobody has ever seen God neither they can because they will die. And with the word "God" all three persons are implied. So nobody has ever seen the Father, the Son(His divine appearance), and the Holly Spirit. The Son was born as a man and lived among people. So people have seen the fleshy(human) part of Son, man Jesus Christ. After Jesus was resurrected His fleshy body was transformed, it became immortal (His disciples saw that body but it can take any form since sometimes His disciples didn't recognise Him) and glorified. Now there are two interpretations (that I know) about the person that appears to John in Rev.

1. That person was Jesus in His glorified body.

2. That person is an angel who speaks in Jesus' sake. People who believe it this way use verse Rev 1:1, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; AND HE SENT AND SIGNIFIED IT BY HIS ANGEL unto his servant John:" So according to that theory that person was an angel. This seems logical because that person's appearance resembles much to the appearance of an angel described in Daniel 10:1-6.

GBU