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Leviticus 20 GOD IS NOT A RESPECTER OF PERSONS

2)The fact that God determines that all sins are capital offenses means that no sinner should feel themselves to be more righteous than another. James puts it this way.-to be found guilty of sin at one point is to be guilty of all sins. ( James 2:1-8)

God's Law refuses to distinguish between sins and crimes. As a rule, governments do not concern themselves with moral sins, but rather with social evils that they determine to be crimes. Governments do not concern themselves with what is termed sins (those actions that are against God) but with crimes, (offenses against other human persons).

The capital sins of Leviticus 20 are those sins that the Canaanites would not have considered to be crimes at all. God's people are especially responsible for sins that are not crimes (as those in Leviticus 20 show).

a) the sins which are not crimes are those acts which our culture will encourage us to commit.

b) the sins which are not crimes do not seem to have immediate natural (nor dire) consequences.

When God made certain sins crimes for the Israelites, they were strongly motivated to obey God's Law and to avoid sin because they wanted to live and not be put to death.

Their lifestyle was to be distinct from the people of the surrounding nations. Disobedience and defilement will lead to expulsion from the land promised (Lev.18:24-30; 20;22-26)

God's standards of holiness are much higher than man's sense of morality even at its best. Today's Christians must wake up to the fact that living a godly life requires much more than being a law-abiding citizen. (Some laws are anti-christian and some things that are legal are still sinful). Let us live higher than the law demands for avoiding sin requires this ( Mt. 5:43-48, 1 Peter 2:4). Civil Law can define what is a crime, but God defines what is a sin, not me, not you, not any other being, human, angelic, or demonic.

Very well spoken Sammi

God bless you.

Leviticus 20 - NO ONE CAN SAVE THEMSELVES FROM THE JUST PUNISHMENT FOR THEIR OWN SIN

Death begins its work in us from the moment of our conception. Even while our cells are dividing and multiplying and differentiating into various types of cells to make up bones, blood, tissue, nerves, organs, etc. our sinful nature is corrupting every aspect of our being and death is acting on our physical matter. Throughout our life our cells die off and are replenished. Our soul is dead to God from the moment of conception because of the corrupted sinful nature. From the very start we are separated from God because He is so holy we cannot be in His presence and live. We need His mercy from the very start of our life and every moment after that.e

But, just as through one man, Adam, we all sinned (for he is our federal head-the effectual representative of all persons to ever descend from him); also, through one man, Jesus Christ we made alive because of His perfect obedience. Death came by Adam, life came by Jesus. Condemnation came by Adam; justification came by Jesus. Corruption came by Adam, righteousness came by Jesus (who is federal head of the Body of Christ). ( Romans 5:12-19)

We are not sinful because we sin, we sin because we are sinful from the start. We all need God's mercy and salvation that comes from the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross to bring forgiveness to all who put their faith in Him. Jesus bore the eternal capital punishment (which we deserve) for the sins of all men, that even though we suffer under physical death, we will not die eternally if we are in Him.

In His first coming, Jesus came not to bring condemnation to humankind, but to bring salvation. John 3;17-18) in His second coming, He will bring judgement upon all human beings, eternal life for those who are His by faith, and eternal punishment in the lake of fire for those who refuse to turn to Him and reject His provision for salvation for the sinfulness of each person.

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are unknowingly crucifying their brothers, while simultaneously knowing Jesus says that He desires mercy, NOT sacrifice. Have we not had enough crucifixion by our crucifying of Jesus (Love)? It was not sin and darkness we nailed to the cross along With Love. Doing both is impossible; being opposites. Doing this does not bring about the peace Love desires. Is it our voice or the Voice of God that speaks of the unworthiness of God's Love for His Creation. One (one) steers away from It, while the Other draws it nearer.

Consider judging not who produces good fruit. Are we that arrogant to think we have the ability to know the lives and hearts of those we understand very little about. WE DON'T KNOW. This drives further away those who are in pain and despair. This is the epitome of self righteousness. Preferably, we should endeavor to see ONLY the Christ in others, and leave the rest behind where it belongs; in the past where God is not. God is eternally present NOW. And, oh what a joy, combined with peace to see all God's Creation as they were created by Love. Our sinless brother is our guide to peace. Our sinful brother is our guide to pain. And which we choose to see, we WILL behold. My friends, In the presence of Truth there are no unbelievers, nor sacrifice.

Peace

GOD IS

Leviticus Chapter 20 WE ALL DESERVE TO DIE!

There are no degrees of sinners in God's view. There are no such thing as "small" and "big" sins to God. All sin is rebellion against Him. There certainly are degrees of consequences and results of our actions, but we cannot say like the Pharisees that we are not like the publican who is certainly a worse sinner than myself. We surely underestimate the holiness of God. And we should marvel at His mercy for not ending it all with Adam and Eve along with every person after these first two humans. But God's are not our ways. Higher than the highest heavens they are. If He did not reveal Himself to us we would not know how holy He is and how sinful we are. Mankind is completely and utterly corrupted by the sin of Adam and Eve. When they sinned their innate human nature was radically changed from being innocent and free of sin to being wholly sinful. This was a constitutional change in the nature of humanity and this corrupt, sinful nature is passed on from parent to child always with the exception of our Savior, Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh without a sinful nature.



Society finds it necessary to categorize sins according to degrees, and rightly so. Society categorizes crimes as misdemeanors and felonies. Some sins are not considered as crimes, and some crimes are not really sins. Society gauges the seriousness of sins as to the harm it causes society and has various levels of penalties for various levels of evil actions.

God views sin so differently, looking at sin not only in terms of actions and their consequences, but also looks at the attitude, the soul from which the sin is generated. He has determined that all sin is a capital offense and deserving of death. The fact that all sins are capital offenses has a number of implications.

1) Since all sins are capital crimes against God, ALL human beings need desperately to experience God's provision for sinners-His mercy in Jesus, His Son.

Leviticus Chapter 20-Penalties for Disobedience

Verse 7-8"Consecrate yourselves, therefore, and be holy, for I am the LORD, Your God. And you shall keep my statutes and perform. I am the LOTD who sanctifies you."

This chapter refers back to the commands of Chapters 18-19, listing all the sins that are deserving of capital punishment (death). At times, God will is the one who executes the penalty by causing the death of the offenders, but in this chapter, God is instructing the Israelites to perform the penalty upon those who commit the sins spoken of in this chapter.

How hard it would be to put your child to death for disobedience to a parent! But God commanded them to do so and to not do it would be a sin as well.

So, it seems that all of the sins spoken of in this Chapter require a penalty of death. These sins would be considered to be capital crimes. Pretty sobering to consider.

I read that Capital crimes reflect a given value system. That is, acts that are called capital crimes are those which are considered most evil, and thus reflect the value system of the one (or ones) making the laws. Since capital punishment is the most serious penalty, then these crimes are viewed as those acts which are the worst evil.

Capital crimes in Leviticus 20 reflect God's value system. If we are troubled by what God has condemned as worthy of death, then we must recognize that our value system must be "out of sync" with God's. What then are God's values which are the basis for His choice of "capital crimes" (sins deserving the death penalty).

Well, actually, God views every sin as capital offense worthy of death. When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit does that seem to us to be such a heinous crime that it brought about not just the death of Adam and Eve, but for all of their offspring.

Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is death." Do we truly believe this? Do we concur with God that each and every sin brings the penalty of death to the sinner?

Regards to your belief on unsecure salvation: how many sins does it take to lose your salvation? The bible tells us here in Romans 3:23. All have sinned and come "short" of the glory of God, meaning we don't deserve it, that it is a gift. As far as the east is to the west no one can pluck us out of His hands.

There is only one sin that sends you to hell and that sin is to reject Christ. Do you believe that?

Because according to what your saying is that, a person would have to be completely sinless to hold onto their salvation.

I was saved 23 years ago and I was so born again, became a new creature, repenting of all sin, giving my whole life to God. No longer of the world, and still that way, except in the last 12 years I backslid lacking in visitation, and commiting to church activities. But before that I head usherd, cleaned the church, went on visitation, led my mom and brother to Christ and spread the word to others, worked in the church office adding up tithes. I had to stop a lot of that because of health reasons; it kept me from being faithful to my services. I don't think God is going to close the doors on me for that.

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is something I will always cherish. Yet there was no healing. Everyone thought I was ok; NOT so. The horrible effects from the past were still there, and worsening. I was ashamed, angry and hateful of myself, feeling most unworthy of God's Love and healing; to the point where I found myself very bitter, angry, and extremely disappointed in God. Genuinely, yet in vain, I had wanted to please God and experience this "peace that passed understanding" that I had read AND taught from the Bible; my conclusion being that I must be unworthy of His Love, a heathen with no hope, condemned to eternal hell, shown no mercy, deserving of punishment, being an object of His wrath and vengeance, set as an example for the deserving special ones whom God loved separate from myself.

Eventually, after fifty plus years, I gave up on church, as it seemed obvious I was not healing in any way. I had very little hope left in my life, arriving at the point in time where ending it all seemed to be the only way out. I was planning it out; the depression that filled my life since a child had become nearly unbearable. God though was still on my mind, and I would've pulled the trigger while still considering God!

In what I was convinced would be my last few days on Earth, suddenly, and what I consider a miracle, thoughts fell into the "lap" of my mind in which I'd never heard, which thankfully halted my intentions of calling it quits. Over the past few months, I've shared some of those thoughts here. I've poured my heart out to God, and doing so with you to a certain degree.

So here I stand now, truly believing God loves me, never to forsake me; desiring to express to those who have ears, that nothing can snatch me or you or anyone from His Hand. NOTHING. For fifteen years now a Voice has very gently and patiently assured this. Yet, I still hear voices speaking to me, who are ...

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That thief didn't have much time left to do anything did he ? If you read the account carefully you will learn that he did : confess his sinfulness , acknowledge Christ's sinlessness , acknowledge Christ as his Lord , and believe that Christ was going to be resurrected and receive a kingdom . He managed to pack a lot in to his last few sentences don't you think ?

I would agree with your understanding of the Scriptures Eagan, on this matter. Though there are Scriptures that show that the one in Christ is eternally secure ( John 10:27-29; 1 John 5:13; Ephesians 1:13,14; 1 Peter 1:5; and many more), there are also many others verses that seem to show that salvation can be lost & one must work hard in their faith to ensure that they will make it to the end & be accepted.

So, when one considers ALL of the verses pertaining to this subject, somehow it has to be reconciled what Jesus or the other writers are actually saying. Just like whether the Rapture is pre, mid, post, or anything else, we can get into a similar problem. For this one, my underlying Truth is that the Great Tribulation is God's Judgement against the unbelieving Christ-rejecting world, therefore those in Christ will be saved from it.

For Eternal Security, the underlying Truth is the truly repentant soul has come in faith (& nothing else), been regenerated by the Holy Spirit, indwelt by Him, put on a new path towards Heaven, with the Mighty God and His Son being his all-consuming focus & passion & not the world. Can such a person ever be lost again - deciding, 'No, I prefer to follow the world & reject Christ?' We can never know how real another's salvation has been - nor should we ever place ourselves in that position of making such a judgement. Or, whether one's faith is being tested & some errors & backsliding are taking place - to which the Holy Spirit will move, alert, warn or chastise to bring him back. But the fact of the matter is, that 'the Lord knows who are His', He 'knows His sheep & His sheep hear His Voice', and His sheep will obey the Shepherd even if there has to be some stern words & goading.

Thus Galatians 5:22-25 are so important, especially "they THAT ARE Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." These are the marks of the one truly saved, living for Christ.

I was severely traumatized as a 3 year old by the witnessing of the death of my only sibling, my ten year old brother, as my mother attempted to frantically revive him as he lay collapsed on the kitchen floor.

Before that, my life was filled with happiness, knowing nothing about death. As you can imagine, a child that age is incapable of grasping and understanding any of this. He or she only feels the devastating emotions that follow. In an instant, my little life was turned upside down from a seemingly heavenly state into a hellish nightmare. My father withdrew himself from me and mom by immersing his self in his work. Mom experienced 2 separate nervous breakdowns, receiving electrical shock treatments at a mental institution. Those times seemed to last forever, when I was in dire need of her love and comfort. My life was now filled with loneliness, coupled with a down pouring of unimaginable sorrow and grief.

I was left as an only child, to deal with it. It was all about the parents loss and despair; mine being ignored. Since then, the psychiatric sector has recently discovered that siblings are typically affected more than the parents, and are very aware if there is no help offered, horrible effects are likely to appear later on. They did. I lost my best friend, and he was not returning. I basically lost my parents also, as I had previously perceived them. There was no healing; "he's just a child, he'll be ok". NOT.

Mom was a Christian. I was baptized at a conservative Baptist church at age 5. In retrospect, I realized that at this age, one probably doesn't fully understand baptism; thus in my twenties I rededicated my life to God and was baptized once more. Along with my wife and children, I became heavily involved in church for many years, i.e. Sunday School, prayer meetings, Bible study groups, teaching, much music ministry, etc., until about fifteen years ago. No regrets nor "falling outs", as the memories I have of my church family is...

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Hi Sammi and Chris,

Thank you for your replies. I appreciate not only you, but everyone on this site.

Peace

GOD IS

Hello Eaganstjohn

This topic about secured (or not) salvation has been discussed a lot between us here on this forum in the past. Beliefs differ. Mine is that salvation can be lost if one leaves God's path and starts following a foreign path and eventually dies in their sin. In my opinion there are many verses in the Bible that state that. One I have gone through recently is in 1 Timothy 4:15-16, (Paul advices Timothy) "Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: FOR IN DOING THIS THOU SHALT BOTH SAVE THYSELF, and them that hear thee." Why does Paul say to Timothy that by doing those he WILL save himself, isn't Timothy saved already (by been born again)? Yes but he has to keep his salvation by doing specific things, like obeying and properly teaching God's path(commadments). And the outcome of his life's strives to walk the narrow road will be the final salvation, the crown of righteouness, the crown of victory. A lot more can be said. GBU

Hey everyone please pray for me, I have an interview today and I really need this job. Thank you and God bless you.

What about the thief on the cross? Jesus promised that he (the thief) will be with Him in paradise. Being that he never did anything for the Lord, yet still allowed to enter the gate? Does God pic and choose?

I believe in eternal security of a believer, once saved always saved. (John5:24), and can never lose their salvation ( John 10: 27-29), believers who wilfully sin after salvation without repenting of that sin may come under the chastisement of the Lord ( Hebrews 12:4-8) but can never cease being saved, sons of God. Anyone believing otherwise never had salvation. Believing in eternal security is part of salvation.

Hi GiGi,

Good post: brings to mind, Matt. 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Isa. 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! And many more.

If you have not seen the 2022 Commonwealth open ceremony look it up and watch it, it will make you quiver. 72 nations of the world participated. This shows where this world is today.

God bless,

RLW

Giannis, thanks for mentioning the part about adultery. I found that in several passages related to re-marriage when the spouse is still living, regardless of the circumstances. When I think about it, it would be like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. Things could be worse.

Hello Jrpon

You have done the right thing dear sister and God has blessed you for obeying Him in your life. The church I am serving doesn't remarry divorced people and also doesn't give divorces for any other reason than adultery. We are very firm about it. But this is very rare to find nowadays in christianity, most churches have given up to their members' demand for remaryring, but that leads to adultery since in God's eyes remarriage is not valid. So what is our (born again christians) difference with the worldly churches, non really (even worse since we actually know the truth but don't follow it).

GBU

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Thank you, God, for everything you're doing in my life, the doors you're closing and the one's opening. I pray for closer relationship w/God, my business grows so I'll be able to pay rent & my bills, strength to stay focus and do the right thing according to your will, keep myself & family safe, protect the people who are in need of shelter, food, et. I will make it thru this storm with your guidance GOD AMEN

Please join me in lifting my momma up in prayer. Our Father has blessed her with 15 months of remission. I praise God for bringing us through. It's been such a blessing seeing my mom living in the moment, healthy, happy and looking forward to the future. I come to you today Jesus and I humbly as you to please bless my momma and our family with good news regarding her upcoming scan. Every odd is against us but Father I ask that you will make a way for this loving mother. She is the foundation of our family and we need you to make a way when every odd is against us. I can not do this on my own and there for I ask you in the name of Jesus to make a way.

Praying

Psalm 51:1-2

king James version

Have mercy upon me O god,

According to Your lovingkindness;according to the multitude of Your tender mercies,blot out my transgressions.

Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,and cleanse me from my sin."

Psalm 51:16

king James version

For thou desirest not sacrifice;else would I give it:thou delightest not in burnt offering.

Romans 12:1

I beseech you therefore,brethren,by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice,holy,acceptable unto God,which is your reasonable service.

May God bless u and your family and the others you request prayer for nothing too hard for God to do.

Amen Gigi.

We're treading on dangerous ground when you see how God dealt with this in the past and the warning he gave Israel not to become as they.

Leviticus 18:27-30 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)

That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.

I believe this moral decline is evidence of a prideful people cup of iniquity is about full.

Notice the indictment against Sodom here in Ezekiel 16:49-50 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

GB.

Thank you

Heavenly Father in the

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Jesus

Waking us up this morning as we begin to seek thy face lord praying guidance as we acknowlege your presence

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merciful

God in Christ Jesus

Holy Spirit you are welcome in this place.

Thank you Lordfor provision and mercy. Praying to get rid of procrastination. Move forward in my profession. Glorify your name in goals reached. Use my struggle with weight to help other people. Prayers for daughters increased sense of need for you. Insecurities the girls have decrease in 2023.All glory to you lord. Illnesses healed in your time. In Jesus name Amen.

to Simone Blanche, nice to see your name again. Or at least I think I remember seeing this name before. Please know that through believing in Christ alone can give you the wisdom, strength & self control needed to lose weight & keep it off too, if you keep Jesus in your heart. He will give you the peace that passes all understanding. Let Him guide you in His will for your life not concerning yourself with your wants but His will for you. Or what ever you do will be in vein. Love Him with all your being & help those in need as well as praying for the enemy too. Then you shall experience His power over everything that guides your desires the wrong way. We all have that problem now & then so your not alone dear. In Jesus Holy name I pray you search Him & He answers your prayers, Amen.