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  • Momsage - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hi Trishkus: I hope you will not be offended by what I will say, however, I feel I must say it.

    The Holy Spirit chose to interpret the language the way He chose to so I don't think it's a good idea to point out what you say are discrepancies in the KJB. This may encourage people to say: "then the KJB isn't any different then the modern ones some Christians say are corrupt." which, of course they are, but the KJB is God's word presented to us exactly as He intended it to be.

    Also, you might want to study the bible and decide for yourself about these ''deathbed experiences." The things people see and experience are mostly unbiblical and some of these people are leading sinful lives on social media pretending to be preachers. Seeing God and/or Jesus in these "experiences" to me seem unbelievable and even dangerous. I'm not saying these people didn't experience what they say, but its their subconscious telling them these things. If they truly died they would stay put where ever they are.

    I heard a little bit of the experience of the little boy who dies in the hospital, sees God as an old man with a long white beard, kind of like Gandalf, and when he woke up he knew of things he couldn't have know before he went into a coma. But you don't have to be awake to hear people talking about things while around you. The nurses or his parents could have very easily talked about the baby girl they lost and someone just mentioned that his mother was in the chapel praying for him and he heard these things and dreamed about them. I don't mean to be harsh toward these people who believe they experienced these episodes but if something is being professed that is not biblical, I feel like I should speak up so that is why I am asking you to please study this for yourself. God Bless :)
  • Momsage - 7 months ago
    SOMEBODY BIGGER THEN YOU AND I

    (These lyrics are simple but beautiful.

    I wish I could play the music too.)

    Who made the mountains? Who made the trees

    and Who made the rivers flow to the sea

    and Who hung the moon in the starry sky?

    Somebody bigger then you and I.

    Who makes the flowers bloom in the spring

    Who wrote the song for the robins to sing

    and who sends the rain when the earth is dry?

    Somebody bigger then you and I.

    Who lights the way when the road is long

    and keeps you company.

    With love to guide you He walks beside you

    just like He walks with me.

    When you are weary, filled with despair

    who gives you courage to go on from there

    and who gives you faith that will never die.

    Somebody bigger then you and I.

    Who lights the way when the road is long

    and keeps you company.

    With love to guide you He walks beside you

    just like He walks with me.

    When you are weary, filled with despair,

    Who gives you courage to go on from there

    and who gives you faith that will never die?

    Somebody bigger then you and I

    Somebody bigger then you and I

    Carroll Roberson

    I'm kind of an old fashion Christian that likes the "older" contemporary Christian music. This artist has a beautiful voice and can write these wonderful, uplifting lyrics to. It is very grievous that some popular artists, like Kelly Clarkson and Lauren Daigle support homosexuality so I can't possible listen to their music or else I'm supporting them. I grieve for them. God Bless :)
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 7 months ago
    A correction:

    The last line in the first para,"The Spirit gives the tag Three and a half (Time, Times and a Hal another variant)" to establish in terms of the Word was God and the Word become flesh there is split. Seven days in the everlasting covenant shall be fulfilled."

    Please read it as

    "The Spirit gives the tag Three and a half (Time, Times and a Hal another variant)" to establish in terms of the Word was God and the Word become flesh there is no split. Seven days in the everlasting covenant shall be fulfilled".
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Matt.8:27 "Whom do ye say I am"

    "And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am?"

    Ministry of Jesus Christ was foreordained so how the Gospel yielded on earth was in terms of the Son. As the Son of man he became the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. so the number of Seven as the Perfect Number has ministry yet being crowned with glory and honor. So we have Jesus Christ who of God has become Sanctification. "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,"(He.2:9-11; 1 Co.1:30) What Elijah did in the time of the kings was as a double for the Son. The Spirit gives the tag Three and a half (Time, Times and a Hal another variant)" to establish in terms of the Word was God and the Word become flesh there is split. Seven days in the everlasting covenant shall be fulfilled.

    St Mark's narrative prepared for this confession by Peter by the healing of the daughter of the Syrophoenician woman. Truth in her inward parts gave faith wings when needed to say what pleased Jesus. "And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter./And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed."(7:29) Truth for all is the same since God fashioned all heart alike. But He shall try their works. So faith with works is working in obedience to the word and with the Son. "And he charged them that they should tell no man of him."(v.30)

    As with the blind man Jesus tells his disciples to tell no one. We have an example in Matt.28:12-18. The Jews conspired to bury the truth of resurrection and still is continues where alternate reality is practised and the base cannot have enough of it.
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Mark 8:26-30 "Few are chosen"

    "And he sent him away to his house, saying, Neither go into the town, nor tell it to any in the town."

    Jesus laid his hand upon the blind man second time and his answer establishes that he was the Christ, the Son of God. His laying hand is very similar to the shadow, an example we have seen in the Acts of the Apostles.(5:15) The shadow of Peter doubling for ' under the shadow of the Almighty." By sending him away Jesus was commanding to live by faith in God who as the Psalmist confesses, "in him will I trust."(Ps.91:1-2).In other words he was ordained to live serving Him so he was to seek fellowship elsewhere and not with the unbelievers. "Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure./...Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after."(1 Ti.5:22,24)

    Calling was universal as the Marriage of the King's Son tells us. "Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage./ So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests."(Matt.22:9-10). But without righteousness no one will be admitted.

    Kingdom of God is not about quantity but of life everlasting. "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost./For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men."(Ro.14:17-18)

    Jesus at the end of the parable said,"For many are called, but few are chosen."(Matt.22:14). God knows who are his which has no expiry date. In his Son God has foreseen them and the word of God shall see it is fulfilled "But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land."( Luke 4:25) See the tag of Three and a half?
  • MotherMac - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Reply to Richard:

    I was approved about a month ago. I enjoy reading the comments on this site. I am learning more and more about the Almighty God:Jehoveh:

    Exodus 6:3

    Jesus: Alpha and Omega

    Revelations 1:8

    Holy Spirit: The Comforter

    John 14:26

    I was converted at 9 years old.

    Although On my journey, I haven't always got it right, I've been coming this way a long time. I am 85 years old now.

    I thank God for every day.

    My children suggested I find something to keep me busy.

    I thank all of you for sharing the word with me. I love Jesus. Amen!
  • Bibleman72 - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Brother David,i prayed for you and your daughters and their families.Hope you have a nice Easter tomorrow brother!Lord bless you and keep you always my Brother!
  • Bibleman72 - 7 months ago
    Folks ,i am not medically able to drive and my best friend is moving out of town.please pray the Lord will send me another Good Bible believing friend to my life.I am very sad my friend is moving.i will truly miss him terribly.
  • Joyce nixon - 7 months ago
    For God to continue strengthening me in the caring of my bedridden husband!
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Thanks..I guess there are some silent viewers out there. My main prerogative is to stick to scripture as much as possible; yet find relevant topics and discuss hard truths especially found in the Bible.

    Contending for the faith involves strict adherence to what is clear in the Bible and I try to constantly emphasize cross references.

    Knowing the Lord through His Spirit is different than knowing a lot about the Lord. There is always a certain amount of truth involved in deception. This is what allows a false doctrine to sneak in when cherry picking verses that seem to prove a point and disregarding context. When someone is proved false then often the "baby goes out with the bathwater"; and people want to disbelieve God is capable; for instance of still doing the miraculous today.

    A good case in point is those who claim to cast out demons. As far as "signs and wonders" go; I would call this a necessary gift as I can't see how there aren't as many demons around today as ever (thus disproving "casting them back into the pit" which is clearly unscriptural.) From my own limited experience in that arena; I have seen demons removed and heard of evidence of it occuring quietly in more traditional churches (in one case through a specific name a Pastor's wife had of an entity that had affected a church member attacking his wife in his sleep who had it cast out through prayer). This was kept "in wraps"-this Godly woman is a very shy person and some are of a cessationist mentality in that denomination. The other case was a Baptist church long ago where such an event was described to me as happening in the late 70's and it was a sort of matter of fact statement.

    Today's sideshows on camera unless followed by a legitimate testimony are immediately suspect. I don't know about you but I wouldn't want to be seen by multitudes going through something like that knowing of the ridicule it would inevitably produce with unknown social media links.

    Agape; Rich p
  • E. - 7 months ago
    Strong protection and the Lord's intervention.
  • Jaz - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Brother Richard be encouraged . I read all your posts and enjoy them thoroughly . We are not in agreement on everything but I can assure you that I value your input and I'm confident that others do also and cannot at all see any reason why you might be removed from this site . Keep it up !
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Mark 8:37-38 "Soul of man"

    "Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?/ Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."

    God breathed into the nostrils of man and made him a living soul. The Gospel of St Mark sets his sights on the Gospel with the Son of man in the glory of his Father with his holy angels.So emphasis is on nations, of light and of the darkness. Nation of Israel and of the Gentiles are besides the point.

    The healing of the blind was a case in point. He would be taken apart from Bethsaida, a disbelieving town as Jesus joining his disciples in the ship was a signal to calm the seas. Similarly as with the symbolism of the house, the vessel was separate from the boisterous sea, a metaphor for the wicked world. The blindness of the man shall be only cleared when he saw the holy angels as men set apart in the world of the Spirit. Breath of God is the expression of the eternal word so his divine will is a sign for the truth set in his inward parts. Soul is the inner man for which he is accountable to Him.

    In the night vision of Daniel the Spirit refers to the Son"and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven." One like the Son of man considering it was a night vision we can be certain that we are looking at the everlasting covenant when "the judgment was set, and the books were opened."(Dan.7:11,13). The Gospel sets with the generation of Jesus Christ those who are his and those who rejected it as belonging 'in this adulterous and sinful generation'. So predestination merely refers to the calling and we who are his, are warned to make our calling and election sure.

    Jesus would yet preach in Bethesda so his obedience to the Word overrode everything else. "woe unto thee, Bethsaida!,"(Matt.11:21-22)
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Mark 8:22-23 "Bethsaida"

    "And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him./ And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town"

    In Ch.6 :45 we find that after Feeding the Five Thousand Jesus sent his disciples by a ship on the sea of Galilee while he took time out to pray. The miracle of walking on water occurs here. Bethsaida may be the epitome of wicked and adulterous generation Jesus refers to in Ch.8:11-13 "And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him a sign from heaven, tempting him./ And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation." This also happens about the same lake. St Mark uses the stilling of the boisterous sea by Jesus for a purpose. "And he went up unto them into the ship; and the wind ceased." (6:51) The troubled sea refers to the wicked world and Bethsaida was condemned for their rejection of the Son. For this reason Jesus laid the blind man out of the town.



    So what lesson do we take from the healing of the blind? He looks up and saw men walking as trees; isn't this how false teachers declare prosperity and their active faith the means to make them richer? "And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."(8:15). Man of flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. So Christ lays his hand again upon him,"After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly." When we see Christian nationalism and culture wars about us be certain their blindness is no less.

    Bethsaida was renamed as Julia as a sop to the Imperial Rome by the grandson of Herod but it's was condemned to be wiped off from the face of the earth. It is just another name for the cities so judged and named in Re.11:8.
  • David Allen - 7 months ago
    please remember my daughters and their families today in your prayers please remember me
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 7 months ago
    GUess my response is disjointed into another window; oh well.

    Agape anyway
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Thanks. Not sure at times if anyone is reading this stuff. It is good practice looking up verses on google that I am familiar with for my own edification and I don't need recognition but still want to be able to encourage someone.

    I am in a season where I need to live with and serve parents in their 90's. Not sure if I need at some point to break away so that they get more care they need before things get worse physically for them and mentally. They don't know Christ either although my church family is praying for them daily. With that and my part time job; errands; and church activities I am limited as to outreach and evangelism at present. Hoping really to be able to perhaps find employment or volunteer perhaps in writing stuff as I am not gifted nor have pastorial formal education and training. Feel free to pray for me if you wish.

    Don't remember seeing you here before. Thought maybe I'd inquire if there is any scriptural subject matter which you wanted to discuss-I have been told in the past trying to publish stuff that I'm too "preachy". Any suggestions on how to improve my posts are helpful as well (I have stuff from the last 2 years at least on here; whether in the Gospel of John and Revelation or on various subjects like predestination. Some of my stuff is controversial; particularly as I view divorce and remarriage. Strange to say things I expect controversy on don't always materialize. Am very blessed in general to have this forum and that I haven't been shut down as yet.

    Agape. Rich P
  • MotherMac - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Just want to thank you for your article.

    It is true from every point of view.

    God so loved the world that he gave his

    ONLY begotten son that whosoever

    believeth on him shall not perish but have

    everlasting life. John 3:16

    He didn't have to do it, but I'm glad he did.

    Happy Resurrection Sunday to you also.
  • Zamar2Zion - 7 months ago
    Whenever I read a scripture and I don't understand. I go to each word, look it up on the dictionary (Oxford Dictionary) excluding definitions that were added after the Bible was published. I read the and take it Bible literal as I take Genesis 1:1 until not possible. Knowing with God nothing is impossible. If not literal, then its a figurative truth.

    Description of the army numbering 200,000,000 coming out from the abyss is literal. When it says pluck your eye out, its literal. If that's what it takes better to lose an eye than go to hell. But better yet, quit the sin business and keep both them good eyes.

    I also pray for wisdom and guidance. and would like to request prayer, Ill pray for you. Also I ask questions to fellow Brothers and Sisters in the LORD at Church. I play the bass guitar in Church, since I was 12. My parents repented when I was 4. Also went to the Churches Christian Academy. M.F.A.C.E. We would have to memorize and read to our supervisor or monitor one chapter of the Bible a day on top our school work. And through Him I won the school first Pastors Achievers Award. But I fell away when I was in my mid 20s but came back to the LORD since 2018. Our Pastor and wife traveled, to Camp meetings and we got to go to a lot of other native reserves (native btw). It was a blessing to meet and to minister with instrument following the flow of the spirit. When the Holy Spirit would move, someone would start speaking in Tongues and some members have the gift of interpretation. To hear God's words from a brother or sister saying "My Children" is a blessing to hear. The pastor of the Church today is my Uncle. Our Pastor who we traveled with now moved to the City and opened a Church. LORD had plans for Him in the City same time God had plans for Pastor Jefferies, my uncle/brother/pastor. Glory be to God, on earth as it is in Heaven. God Bless. Just wanted to share then got into sharing some of my testimony. Hes coming soon, God Bless.
  • Peter Giwojna - 7 months ago
    God bless Mark Carlson who was recently diagnosed with Stage 4 kidney cancer, which has metastasized to his liver, and brain. Mark Carlson is seeking treatment at the Mayo Clinic and his family will be eternally grateful for any and all players offered up on his behalf. God bless you and save you and grant you peace. Amen!
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Mark 8:22-30 "Look up"

    The town Bethsaida in Galilee plays an important role in the ministry of Jesus. A number of miracles have been attributed to him either there or in its environs. This is also happens to be a place Jesus had earmarked for condemnation. "Woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes./But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you."(Matt.11:22-23)

    Healing of a blind man here as narrated by Mark is unique in that in order to cure him he had to look up, and not about him but straight up. Jesus asks him to look up, "And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking./After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up." (8:24-25)In order to understand its uniqueness we need compare the healing of man with palsy as given by St John. "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had./And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years." ( John 5:4-8)

    God sent his word and healed them and from their destructions.(Ps.107:20). So the angel came from above and he represents the cloud of witnesses primarily to see that the word sent out shall prosper in its circuit and never return to him in void. They are also an army as Elisha showed his servant on the eve of a clear and present danger. "And Elisha prayed, "Open his eyes,Lord, so that he may see." Then theLordopened the servant's eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariotsof fire all around Elisha."(2 Ki.6:17).

    Jesus would draw the blind man away from the town already under condemnation as mentioned above. The Spirit gives this as a key to the "angel" mentioned in Re.1:1;22:9. He belongs to the world of the Spirit.
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Concluding thoughts: Revelation 21:8

    This is my THIRD attempt as I keep wiping myself off the screen. I won't place the warning supporting verses here but will leave a short comment instead.

    I will state first off that none of us can afford to be glib about this subject. Even God Himself has no pleasure in the death of the wicked (let the reader look that one up in Ezekiel; don't want to lose this page again searching myself....)

    We can't comprehend the horror of hell; nor tolerate even the thought. We are; nonetheless according to the end of Isaiah 66 going to find an abhorrance of those in punishment; whether that represents the Millennial viewpoint or that in the eternal lake of fire. Again there are no words to express this state of the wicked upon death; we can only look to Christ and be thankful knowing what we are saved from.

    Sin is like a progressive disease; and so is abandonment of correct doctrine such as denying the literal hell and then cherry picking what seems best to us from the Bible and disregarding the rest. That technically makes us a DEIST; much the same as Benjamin Franklin who I believe cut pages out from scripture that didn't suit his mindset. Even as believers we can't ultimately stop physical death; which is a secondary result of our sinful nature; even though we are transformed and in the process of sanctification until receiving new bodies we are only as a vapor in our earthly tabernacle.

    Anyway before I forget I am going to say to everyone have a blessed commemoration of Christ's death and celebration of the Resurrection this Sunday.

    Agape; RIch P
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Liars: Final warning of those in hell from Revelation 21:8

    Definition: Merriam-Webster defines a liar as someone who tells lies. No comment here on how great that definition is..:(

    I will state as I have numerous times that no names need to be given here; just a mere mention of politics whether "donkeys or elephants" should suffice. I have said to people on occasion that a liar is worse than a murderer. The Apostle Paul is my "exhibit A" in that he at least was complicit in murder but did it in ignorance ( 1 Timothy 1:13). What we can't say is that he ever lied about his intentions; everyone knew his impassioned motives in the persecution. Lying is probably the most common methodology for maintaining a lifestyle of sin; if not lying to ourselves as to what we are doing and the consequences it is lying to others for self promotion. There are scriptural instances of lying where the midwives told Pharoah that the babies he wanted to kill were born before they could get to them. ( Exodus 1:19). There are other cases where for instance the full census wasn't given of the Israelites (Levites excluded) because the evil was sensed in King David's request that Satan himself had supplanted his heart to perform. I won't quibble here on that but certainly when we find a lie as the only way to preserve a life it is different than when it is merely self promoting.

    In concealing a matter; as a case study we aren't helping ourselves ( Prov. 28:13). Hiding our sins is only going to be destructive. We will in time be found out. Lying of course can attempt to distract from any sort of transgression so again it seems that it may be most dangerous and deliberately at the end of sins leading to damnation. We need to heed carefully David's reaction when Nathan said "YOU ARE THE MAN" ( 2 Samuel 12:7). Saul wasn't ever able to repent; even though he said that he sinned ( 1 Samuel 15:24). This is like Pharaoh in Exodus 9:27 or Judas in Matthew 27:4. Worldly sorrow.
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Idolaters: Definition.MIriam Webster defines it in 2 ways (idolotry)

    : the worship of a physical object as a god

    : immoderate attachment or devotion to something

    This second part of the definition should certainly stand out today; in light of one particular young lady in the music industry today. This immoderate or inordinate affection leads to idolizing movie stars; musicians; politicians and in fact anyone we find physically attractive; or wish to emulate because of some quality we are enamored with.

    Lest we consider this concept too foreign for devoted church members that make an effort not to entangle themselves in these worldly things; we have to look at how many megapastors are idolized today. Deceiving and being deceived are coexistent ( 2 Tim. 3:13). Someone of course can be an obvious cult leader and have control over the very lives of their clan; but even those of that persuasion find that getting people to think they are being idolized from their own free will establishes their stronghold much more effectively. That is what is used much of the time initially by Satan as well who convinces us that our own corrupted heart truly has found something worth fantasizing about and blinding men's eyes to verses such as Jeremiah 17:9 and others warning of our depraved nature. Anyone who is a TRUE prophet of God (however that exists today) or let us say His mouthpiece is going to be as the prophets of old: largely rejected; outcast; persecuted and ridiculed. Sadly many who spend countless hours prancing about in well rehearsed performances are like Shakespeare said full of sound and fury but signifying nothing (MacBeth). Also duly note it is a tale told by an idiot.

    Idolizing self is basically a definition for narcissism. Idolizing others is a demented form of worship. We blame others for making us a victim of circumstance and take no responsibility for our own actions or are holding someone up to impossible standards doomed to fail.
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Sorcerers: Definition in Cambridge Dictionary

    in stories, a man who has magical powers and who uses them to harm other people.

    Sorcerer is another general term used in Revelation 21:8. It covers basically all powers of darkness that are used to gain influence; power; bring financial benefit or some other "positive" results in the life of the practitioner and supposedly to those who are the "patients" so to speak. Those into the magic arts as many probably know like to differentiate between "white" and "black" magic. No need to argue as to what term is politically correct here; as both types of practices are demonic and lead a person to hell. There are those who want to deliberately put a "hex" on someone; while others with a sort of dreamy New Age concept are convinced they are bringing nothing but sunshine and happiness into their own lives and those who they help (although I haven't heard yet of anyone doing stuff like this for free).

    We only need to look at Adolf Hitler to see how such behaviors were used to delude the masses and in the end brought about his own destruction and tdhat of the nation of Germany. His early campaigns under the support of Goebbels involved lengthy photographic portraits as well as facial contortions and oratory exercises designed to capture the attention of the masses. Soon enough his face was contorted and he was in uncontrollable rage; and succeeded in hypnotizing huge crowds. The Eastern cult mentality and obsession with the "Master race" brought all sorts of demonic strongholds. Nietzsche and Wagner would be his inspiration.

    Most today or at least many are not identifying as Satanists that nonetheless are gaining power through demonic influence.

    Some by the grace of God who finally can get real as to they are really serving finally wake up realizing their soul is in desperate straits but many are unaware or refuse to believe the Word and warnings on the subject (see Deut. 18:10-12).
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Murderers: Further insight on Revelation 21:8

    1 John 4:20 is a stern admonition to those who would claim to love God that hates His brother. Other verses in 1 John show as with the Gospel of John the necessary commands for a believer to love one another. We need to look as well at verses in James which discuss the taming of the tongue. ( James 3:5-6) Gossip and slander are things that can destroy a person; hence the admonition about the fires of hell. You can bet that there will be plenty of cursing in hell for the state of misery against God and probably against others as well. Hating a brother without cause ( Matt. 5:22) is in degrees; but unforgiveness results in holding on to our own sins and is not beneficial for us even in this life. Holding onto grudges; for example is another example of a lifestyle of sin; there are people who may have already passed away who we still have bitterness about in our souls resulting in caustic behavior toward others including unforgiveness. Man cannot have unconditional love for their enemies apart from His grace. This of course doesn't validate the "political correctness" today coddling criminal behavior. Acts 2:23 is only one of several passages in the book clearly stating that the Jews killed Christ; and or complicit in His murder. Jesus didn't mince words either with this subject ( Matthew 5:21-22).

    We cannot ignore the act of murder which includes abortions in this study either. Again; we dare not cede to the culture of today which doesn't want to follow Biblical precedent for a death penalty for such an act to vindicate an innocent party and to have some cohesiveness in society. We can complain all we want about dictatorships in the world; but many of them see much lower crime rates because no government can survive in anarchy. We also are foolish in trying to support ideologies that are antithetical toward the value of life because of some misguided notion that everyone wants a "democracy".
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Whoremongers

    Continuing on the Revelation 21:8 warnings of those in hell we see this category. This would no doubt encompass ALL types of sexual immorality; whether fornication or adultery which are two categories deliberately separated in many scriptures as different types of sin. I am not going to use this forum to go into in length my viewpoint on adulterous marriages; but will say that unless that is what is referred to it seems a lot harder to categorize a lifestyle of sin as committing adultery than it would to say someone likes to fornicate a lot (sleep around). There may be a few sick folks who deliberately want the thrill of having a fling with a married person but for the sake of their own security and simple convenience they probably will find it easier much of the time having relatinships with unmarried or "available" women. Therefore I have to deduce it is indeed adulterous marriages referred to; and that of a state of continuing sin as long as a relationship isn't a true covenant before God. I'll leave it to the readers to study the verses on the subject and the so called "exception or escape clause"; something I have studied in great detail but don't want to raise friction with on this site. Before moving on; I will note that adultery meant an instant death penalty in the Old Testament according to the law (if proven by witnesses and both parties should be present hence invalidating the presentation of John 8:1-11.) Fornication is a different penalty in O.T. law. Also there can be people who are prostitutes or just generally immoral as related to the term "whoremongers". The end result of LIFESTYLES of any of these sins is hell; which is a warning to someone calling themselves a believer who doesn't turn away from sin when making a verbal confirmation of repentance. Of course ANY sin leads us to hell; hence we are all doomed without His atoning sacrifice. Therefore all lost fit into one or more of these descriptions in Revelation 21:8
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Mark 7:36

    "And he (Jesus) charged them that they should tell no man: but the more he charged them, so much the more a great deal they published it."

    Firstly the crowd became vocal in proportion to his command that they refrained. "For of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh." ( Luke 6:46). The Spirit gave us another example that truth in inwards when touched by faith can go straight to the heart of the problem. The Syrophoenician woman having understood from the manner dogs behave about the family dinner lifted it to connect with the truth, and it was her faith than gave it wings and her daughter was healed instantly. Prophet Isaiah spoke og the word sent forth by God and it never returned in void. The preacher's verse underpinned her faith so the children's bread in fact came from the providence of God. It is thus faith draws its conclusions instantly when required. (Is.55:11;Ec.11:1)

    By the same token the multitude overwhelmed by the deaf dumb man speaking plainly gave vent to a full throated praise, they could not refrain from telling to all and sundry. When Jesus rode through Jerusalem some of the Pharisees wanted Jesus to restrain the multitude. "And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out."( Luke 19:40). The point is that truth will prevail always. These two illustrations have been included for our spiritual instruction.

    Lastly when Jesus would heal the man "And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened./ And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain." (vv.34-35) We can infer that he healed him as the Son of man. The feeding of Five Thousand we compare with this healing. "fer that he healed him as the Son of man. The feeding of Five Thousand we compare with this healing.."Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth."
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. ( Rev. 21:8)

    Unbelieving: The first verse that comes to mind here is the man with a son that had a demon possessed son who was being thrown into water; etc. That passage is Mark 9:24 and the whole incident is worth reading to understand further how there was rampant lack of faith as well as preparation for casting out the demon. REALIZING we have unbelief results from the Holy Spirit changing us; it is not what is often a false gospel of not having faith enough for a family member to be healed; or some power trip by a ministry more interested in notoriety and ultimately greedy for gain with someone given a title of "healer". We can say at the time of Christ it was indeed foolish not to believe He could work any miracles including bringing one back from death; because it was only rejecting His claim of Divinity that a person could reject Him which shows the depths of blindness of the Pharisees. The core issue which remains the same is the fact that we are all as "filthy rags" ( Isaiah 64:6) and this includes our so called "good deeds".

    Abominable: Luke 16:15 shows what men hold as esteemed is an abomination before God. To esteem something shows a sort of prideful mentality; acclaim and praise is something Christ warned about in numerous passages (see Luke 6:26; another passage in this book as one example). Even calling Christ good implies that he as a mere man or prophet is good; and Christ makes it clear only God alone is good ( Mark 10:18). This is what is so dangerous about anyone who men praise; not only do they almost always practice false theology but we are convinced our own righteousness will justify us in the day of judgment.

    No wonder Satan appearing as an angel of light fools lost souls ( 2 Cor. 11:14).
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. ( Revelation 21:8)

    These verses at the end of the Bible and representing the end of the wicked is the end result of those who won't heed to warnings such as 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; see also Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:5 and many other scriptures on the subject. We do well to heed to what was said in the last verse of 1 Corinthians 6 of this reference (v. 11) where it states that some were this but they have been sanctified and justified.

    There are several issues here that I feel need to be addressed. First is the difference between a sinful lapse; a sinful habit and a sinful lifestyle. All three of these behaviors could be attributed to nonbelievers; albeit in today's society there would be few that would care about a slip up except perhaps some atheists who hold to what they consider a moral standard superior to much of society. Clearly as a Christian we shouldn't play games with God with any type of sin. The third category; however is something that must be abandoned; otherwise there is no fruit of our salvation. Also we undestand that breaking the law in one area makes us guilty of breaking it all ( James 2:10). Often one sin leads to another; whether it is abuse or abandonment of a family due to the greed of a gambling addiction (something which is being advertised currently in local media); or murder stemming from the bad fruit of adultery or fornication that usually is also tied to greed or jealousy; etc.

    The word "fearful" in Revelation 21:8 is in many translations "cowardly". It results when men fear man over God which we are to have a healthy fear of and ignores ( Proverbs 29:25). Wanting the praise of men is at least equally if not worse because it compromises our bold witness against sin ( John 12:43).


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