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John 21:15

"So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon(John, Mary, Elen, Tom, ... write your name) son of Jonas, LOVEST THOU ME MORE THAN THESE(other things in your life)?"

John 14:23

"Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, WHOM JESUS LOVED"

John 19:26

"When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, WHOM HE LOVED, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!"

John 21:7

"Therefore that disciple WHOM JESUS LOVED saith unto Peter, It is the Lord ..."

Did Jesus love only John? No, not only him, He loves all people.

Did He love John more than the others? It doesn't say that.

But John really understood that Jesus loves him, for God Love is. Do you?

John 20:27-28

"Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, MY LORD AND MY GOD."

Amen Brother Jesse.

Gog Bless.

I find it ..well!! I find it not right to be asking people in the service lost or saved to lift up holy hands are we not to be still in knowing he is God in the middle of us who get together on Sunday in service and to hear the Gospel...do we have to be waving hands just because the pastor is asking ?? should we not just be still with ears open for the word...

Have a young Adult Granddaughter, that Disrespect ing me, talking like she older than me ,thinks she know more , talking back,through tones at me, that she can. She dares me. I tried being nice,but nothing matters.showing she's the boss.

alex1939...I just wanted to give ya my take on the Garden of God...And the 2 trees in the midst of the Garden...I think they are tied together in this New Covenant in our hearts...Salvation can come via his words of that Book in the Fathers right hand.

.....What i am trying to tell you is this New Covenant is tied into the Garden of our hearts...This tree of Knowledge is an intimacy...Thats y Jesus says he has to KNOW us...And thats the only way we can be bornagain of an incorruptible seed which is the contents of that book/That tree of KNOWLEDGE...The only way that good seed can be sown in our heart is thru an intimacy...Thats when he Knows us...The only way we can ever KNOW right from wrong in self control of the flesh is thru this Tree of KNOWLEDGE...That New COVENANT Is by Being bornagain of an incoruptible seed THE LIVING WORD...The biblical definition of Knowledge is an intimacy...Not about fun and games or Church attendence... or Carnal knowledge But an intimacy where that good seed is sown in our hearts initiating a heavenly birth of Christ in us That Child of PROMISE...The H.G....Thats y the prophets saw all the world in travail and birth pains... Jeremiah 30:6...A time of Jacobs troubles, Jacob was the 3 rd person in the Abrahamic trinity...And that Child of promise is the H.G. the 3 rd Person in the heavenly Trinity...The gift of God from the leaves of the trees... Rev 22:16...For the healing of the nations...Our Child birth but the Child is the H.G. That which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. That Child of Promise...We are not under that old covenant any more...Now the very Kingdom of God is gonna be with in us...Thus the 2 trees are gonna be with in us...Its our hearts that is the Garden of God where that good seed is sown...The bridegroom wants to sow his seed in our hearts which is the living WORD...The leaves of the tree of KNOWLEDGE...And Isaiah said that this KNOWLEDGE is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas. Is.11:9 k

One of my praying the Scriptures is praying by putting myself in Ephesians Chapter 3 verses 14-21. To me, praying the Scriptures is being in agreement with God and His will to answer. This is a powerful prayer.

Hi Gigi.

You were speaking of his free will, I see it now.

Thanks for your reply.

God bless.

Hi Dante.

Now I see you what you are suggesting.

"Adam purposely bit of the forbidden fruit so he would be in the same condition as Eve.

That is a view that some hold.

Who knows?

The view is that Adam knew exactly what he was doing. He rather chose to join her in her predicament than to be without her.

They draw this from

1 Timothy 2:11-15 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

AND ADAM WAS NOT DECEIVED, BUT THE WOMAN BEING DECEIVED WAS IN THE TRANSGRESSION.

Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety".

Again, Who knows?

God bless.

Please pray for my daughter valeria garcia. that god may save her and use her for his glory. that god may grant me full custody of my daughter so that we may both serve god. that god may grant me social security and permanent disability qualification.

Was Mary and Joseph married at the actual time of Jesus's birth?

In 2hd Timothy 4:11, Paul mentioned Luke as the one who remained with him in Rome.

What role did Luke play in Paul's ministry?

please remember Kristie and me and our families in your prayers please remember my son in law Adam who has lost his job and my father in law Louie who is battling cancer

is this God telling me that he trust me enough to with his word to fight with him. Is he telling me that i will go into balle will him when he comes back to fight ? with me seeing holding the sword in my hands and the Holy One behind me guiding me is it my inceaation to fight the battle of armMagaddon with him?

Hello Meliah. I'm unsure whether you're asking about Jeremiah the man, or Jeremiah the prophetical book that he authored. So, I'll share on both points.

Jeremiah received the Word from God, that he was separated (set apart) from pre-birth & ordained to be God's prophet for that time in history ( Jeremiah 1:5). This was during the reign of King Josiah & his prophetical work went on till Judah's last reigning king, King Zedekiah - at which time Babylon invaded Palestine, occupied Jerusalem & captives taken back to Babylon.

The Book of Jeremiah is Jeremiah's account of God's dealings with him, Judah, their captors, and the other nations. Even though Jeremiah was reluctant to do as commanded by God, he nevertheless did not fail to bring out the prophetical message to the people. For over forty years, he faithfully proclaimed God's stern Judgement on apostate Judah, all the while Jeremiah had to endure fierce opposition, beatings & imprisonment ( Jeremiah 11:18-23; 12:6; 18:18; 20:1-3; 26:1-24; 37:11-38:28).

Even though warnings against sin & coming judgement are uppermost throughout the book, God still sent out messages of hope & future restoration. Predictions of a coming Messiah ( Jeremiah 23:5,6); the duration of the Babylonian captivity ( Jeremiah 25:11); and the revelation of the New Covenant ( Jeremiah 31:31-34) are the bright lights seen in this book.

Gigi,

First, thanks for your thoughts. Your agreement with some of my views, such as there was a DECISION by God, indicates something quite surprising in Genesis that I cannot untangle yet.

In my view, there are two questions. It seems Adam COULD have eaten of the tree of life either prior to the tree of knowledge or after he became a man, but prior to God's discovery.

At the time of Adam's eating of the fruit, he knew two things:

1. Eve would surely die

2. If He ate, he too would surely die.

The LORD God said so.

Yet, even still, Adam at of the fruit. While the Bible does not express motivation, I state that a consistent and supported interpretation is that Adam decided that he would rather bind his fate to his other half, and die, than to have Eve die while he lived.

To me, that is a very beautiful thought, and it makes life meaningful, that EVEN with death, the alternative of living a life without love is WORSE than living life with it, and dying. That the life of half a man is not meaningful, and ONLY with the union with woman, is life worth it.

It is my view there are elements to Genesis that support this notion. And furthermore, there can be nothing that gives solace to our mortal lives than that realization. That LOVE is more important even than eternal death.

Hi Dante, Thank you for posing some very good queries on this subject.

I don't think that Adam and Eve ate from the tree of life. Why, we do not know. Maybe it was hard to get to or did not seem attractive or had some other barrier.

I do think that God knew all that would happen in the garden before He even created anything as He is omniscient and nothing is hidden from Him. He does not learn anything new nor does He find out things as time passes. He knows all that will ever be and every possibility that could ever be. So, nothing surprises Him. In this all-knowingness, God created everything with knowledge of all that would be and happen, all of the thoughts and actions of mankind since before He created. He knew every sin we would commit, every motivation, every prayer we would speak to Him, every tear that we would shed, every act of love we would do for Him and others, every disaster and cataclysmic event He would bring into history. Awesome to think about, really.

If God learned new knowledge that He did not always know then this would indicate a change in Him, and the Scriptures clearly say that he does not change ever. He can never increase in any of His attributes or have diminish in any of them. He cannot do anything that He had not already knew He would do. This immutability means that He is infinitely complete and perfect in every way. He cannot get any better than what He always is. He cannot add any new aspect to His character nor subtract any aspect of His character because His nature is full and He is in need of nothing else. He is self-existing and self-sufficient and self-satisfied in Himself at all times and from eternity to eternity.

Dante, I say these things because when I think about them, I stand in awe of Him and humbly worship Him. i once again recall his excellencies and find His infinite perfection very comforting knowing that He will always be whom he will be, as YHWH means.

Hi S.Spencer. I meant what I said, that Adam and Eve were indeed free to eat from any tree in the garden, but we commanded not to eat of the tree of knowledge. They were free to choose to obey or not. So that is why I said they were free to eat of any tree in the garden, but were also forbidden to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I was referring to their free agency, having a freedom to will what they wished. But that freedom led them to disobey. Adam and Eve were the only humans to truly have completely free agency (apart from Jesus). Everyone descended from Adam and Eve (except Jesus) had a fallen nature and their agency is depraved compared to Adam and Eve before they sinned. All of us since Adam are conceived being enslaved by the sin nature and cannot on our own free will turn to God, obey Him, nor even seek Him unless He draws us, the Spirit regenerates us, and Jesus gives us His righteousness.

Hope this helps clear up my prior post.

On the topic of when was John born.by God Ordained,Christ birth Time in late December,from that point back 9mths.

would mean Mary Conceived around sometime early April,standard American time

at that time,maybe in April,Elizabeth was 6 mths pregnant

3 mths.later would mean John might of been born round the latter part of July

Hi Dante.

You are right in saying God didn't command Adam not to eat of the tree of life, He commanded they couldn't eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil as mentioned here in Genesis 2:16-17.

"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

But how do we know that they didn't eat of the tree of life BEFORE they disobeyed?

Here's all we have that is written.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, THE MAN IS BECOME AS ONE OF US, ((TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL)): and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Perhaps God forbidden them from eating of the tree of life AFTER their disobedience.

The results of their disobedience is that they knew they were naked and they tried to cover themselves. Now naked is also used throughout scripture to mean " Sin exposed" Here's one of several.

Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

These garments is the covering of the blood of Christ. "White robes"

Christ was ordained to come into the world before the world began, to be the sacrificial Lamb. For Adam too!

Scipture doesn't say Adam "BECAME" naked after he disobeyed.

Scripture says he KNEW he was naked after he disobeyed.

See here ;

Genesis 3:10-11 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

And he said, WHO TOLD THEE THAT THOU WAST NAKED? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

I believe the issue is what would he do with that knowledge!

They tried to cover up their guilt and shame with the product of their own efforts. This may have been the first attempt at a works salvation.

Just my thoughts.

GB.

Hey Bulletpencil,

My understanding, Jesus coming, the Messiah/Christ was not a secret, Daniel 9:25 prophesied when He would come. Jesus came to fulfill the prophets and the law, and when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus, and Jesus was filled without measure, John 3:34.

John the Baptist proclaimed it, John 1:34 and His disciples did as well, John 1:41 Jesus told the woman at the well He was the Messiah, John 25:25-26 and Martha John 11:27. It was confirmed by all the miracles Jesus did by the Spirit of God, Matt. 12:28 the kingdom of God has come, but the death and resurrection were, at that time a secret/mystery, Rom. 11:25.

The kingdom of God has come, John said it was at hand, Matt. 3:1-2. After John was put in prison Jesus came preaching Mark 1:14-15. The mystery of the kingdom; they were looking for the stone to crush Rome and the kingdom would be set up then Daniel 2:44, but it was like the parables of the mustard seed and the yeast Matt. 13, increasing even today until the crushing blow at Jesus second coming.



The disciples knew Jesus was the Messiah/Christ, so I am sure that was part of their preaching, but Jesus' death and resurrection were hidden even from the disciples Luke 9:45. We see how they fled when Jesus was arrested, Matt. 26:56, and they did not believe He resurrected Mark 16:10-11 Luke 23:10-11 it was hidden from them for if Satan had known the results, he would have tried to stop it.

Jesus spoke mainly to the Pharisees and Sadducees in parables to fulfill the prophecy, Matt. 13:10-15 Mark 4:10-13 Luke 8:10. The mystery was not revealed until after Jesus was resurrected as Jesus told them the Holy Spirit would bring remembrance and teaching to them John 14:26 John 16:3-4 Romans 11:25 Romans 16:25 the promise to Abraham Genesis 17:4-7 and that seed was Jesus the Messiah/Christ.

This is my understanding may someone else have another, pray and study for your understanding.

God bless,

RLW

You are very inspiring.

"Take the world and give me Jesus"

You have found what you need most!

To God be the glory!

thank the lord

Avoiding extremes end of part 2: Healings

We therefore have all possibilities. We could have an illness leading to death which according to scripture may be due to sin in certain cases. As with any other prayers if someone is harboring sin then God may be attempting to use their afflictions to drive them to repentance; or it may have nothing to do with anything but a body living in a fallen world.

So God can choose to heal; and the cause of the illness may be physiological; or spiritual (often intertwined). I would venture to say that most things publicized are not true healings; but also would say that we are called to pray for such things as I outlined in my last piece. What is important is that the person is open to trusting God in faith AND the person praying isn't harboring sin and under a subsequent curse as a result of an ongoing lifestyle of sin. THAT is often neglected; and we need to insure that a "blessing" isn't a demonic curse put on us by the practitioner. Thus we should RUN from those people as we don't want to be infected as they are. This is serious business. We need to be as little children sensing when His presence is in someone; as well as sensing wolves out there.

True repentance produces joy but it never appeals to the flesh. This is how we can see what is true revival (hard to find today in this country). A vision of God is as Isaiah 6:5 it makes us undone.

That gets us into part three: Money and having a balanced perspective.

More on that later.

Hi Gigi.

I'm sure you meant to say Adam and Eve was forbidden to eat of every tree BUT the tree of Knowledge of good and evil, correct?

Genesis 2:16-17. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

BUT OF THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, THOU SHALT NOT EAT OF IT: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God bless.

Avoiding extremes. Part 2

When it comes to healings the argument over whether healings can occur today supernaturally is an unwise thing to ponder. We see evidence of "spontaneous" healings that are unexplained even in the scientific community. Satan certainly is as active as ever; and with that of course we need to discern what are so called "miracles" that may be mind control; or something that actually IS caused by demons; and/or the power of suggestion. It is important to remember also that Christ would tell many especially early on in His ministry NOT to tell anyone who He was. Therefore; this notoriety and naming ministries after people and calling it "healing" ministries (as if they have an exclusive right to such things) is not scriptural. The gospel of repentance was emphasized as most important and truly more miraculous was salvation than healing (See Matthew 9:1-8).

In light of these statements; wisdom should decry just as Jesus utilized; confirmation from doctors as to a healing (or the Levitical priests in Biblical times). I have been in a situation where a friend committed suicide about 12 years ago who was bipolar and decided to stop taking her medications. Usually those who think they don't need something do; and vice versa (those who are drug addicts and think they need to take the substance). In certain cases like this there has to be a slow reduction of medicine because of physiologic affects; if a true miracle occurs we can trust God to show doctors that indeed there is no withdrawal symptoms; etc.

There is no excuse for elders NOT to be routinely praying for and anointing the sick; and as I see it there is no less need for true deliverance from demons these days. Unlike today's filmed sideshows; a true deliverance should be kept private or at least not for publicity sake. A good testimony can be helpful in a few cases if shown afterwards.

Amen Brother Jesse.

He's able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

"According to the power that worketh in us".

A verse for all ages.

Thanks and God bless.

Hello,

I would state it is not that they ate of the tree of knowledge in preference to the tree of life, but merely they ate of the tree of knowledge for whatever motivations compelled them.

Whether they ate of the tree of life, it seems was not within God's control, but left to Adam and Eve.

It seems to me, for instance, there was time between the eating of the tree of knowledge and God's understanding they had. During this time, through whatever mechanism, they could have eaten of the tree of life. Or, even before. There is no indication of anything to prevent them from having done that.

Indeed, God decided to remove Adam and Eve from the garden LEST they eat of the tree of life. Which to me means it was a possibility they would in God's assessment, but only they had not.

This is one of my thoughts. Adam and Eve could have eaten of the tree of life in the time starting their residence in the Garden of Eden, and when the LORD God decided to evict them. Indeed, the LORD decided to evict Adam and Eve lest they eat of the tree of life. An outcome he decided he did not want, as they too would become like Gods. And the LORD did not want that, a decision he made.

My thinking is these words mean that it was unknown to God whether or not Adam and Eve would have eaten of the tree of life. God stated there were no consequences to it, OR they could have eaten of it after Eve's "seduction" by the serpent.

Thus, from the LORD'S perspective, it would have been possible for Adam and Eve to have eaten of the Tree of Life either before or after their taking of the tree of knowledge.

This to me is intensely meaningful. I also think it is at minimum not contradicted by the words: in fact, it is supported.

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