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Protection from vengeful plots this psalm is also breaks unhealthy or harmful habits.

Im in agreement with you in prayer in jesus name amen

Aid toward purity this psalm (100)sounds like!

The Bible is in many ways like a jigsaw puzzle . Not everything is laid out as you might think .

No matter what the size of the puzzle be it 500 or 5000 the wisest course is to get the side pieces and corners first . On two grounds . No matter how big the puzzle and I've seen one the size of a rug . The most easily identifiable and quickest to put together are the side pieces and corners . Once they are in place you know there is nothing outside of the framework and all go in place within it . They are the milk of the Word ,

How you proceed after that depends on your diligence and patience .

I wouod suggest however it is usual for the earth bits are done first and the sky in the main done last .

Taking the analogy further ,perhaps because we know more of earth in the beginning than we do of heaven?

I have found the Biblevto be the most thought provoking book in the world and has more answers than any man has questions .( real questions that is)

It is not speculation then nor is it an idle question.

For clearly the first time they reached the river Jordon having left Egypt did not take 40 years !

That only occurred when they were barred from entering because of their unbelief .

How long it took the first time can therefore be calculated when you put all the pieces together .

My point was and is that the church of which I am thank God a part has made the wandering in the wilderness the Christian norm and heaven the promised land .

Have you considered how many pairs of eyes you have? So to speak.

The two years odd can be calculated from the account of them leaving Egypt . 3 months of which was spent at mount Sinai .

My point is that the church has made the promised land heaven and Jordon death .

And that we have made the wandering in the wilderness for 40 years the Christian norm .

Getting out of Egypt was but being born again . And the crossing of the wilderness ,boot camp .

Where civilians are changed into soldiers so to speak.

Is it not written that the bride of Christ is to " come out of the wilderness terrible as an army with banners leaning upon her beloved"?

The bride must get herself ready boot camp is over .

Thank you Donna, May your day be blessed too.

Arnfinnius

I will spend some time with the reply to your comment.

But what I will say now is when man is created in the image of God, and we are now before the fall of man, he is a reflection of God, and God contains all, so therefor is mans dual nature a reflection of his true nature which is nondual like God he is content.

To be an image of God, means to reflect the nature of God, and the nature is in this world but not of this world. Man is created eternal because he is an image of God and God is eternal. Therefor the LORD tells us to not identify anyone in the world as our father for our Father is in heaven.

Since we are created in the image of God we do contain also the opposite sex in our spititual nature.

You most certainly were , thank you . This site is very precious and helpful to me as I am in isolation. I married out of my denomination , therefore I am not permitted to fellowship at my church , so this site is my only source of contact with other Christians . I appreciate you and everyone on here .

Thanks for that clarification Gerald. I was concerned & confused that the forty years of desert wanderings turned out to only be two years and I couldn't find anything to support that figure. Indeed, some will enter into God's rest, but many today, including most of the children of Israel at that time, failed to do so, because of their unbelief ( Hebrews 3:7-4:6).

Hi brothers and sisters in Christ

Please pray for my mom as her sciatica pain is still hurting badly. Please also pray for my family's and I spiritual lives, we've gotten so used to be lazy in our faith. May we search out the Lord with all our hearts. Pray that we would love the Lord in truth, not just in word only.

Please also pray for assurance of my salvation. Doubts have been swirling in my mind and it's hard to find rest. Christ says to trust Him and I know there's nothing I can do to save myself, I just keep thinking what if I'm deceiving myself. I'm feeling hopeless, brothers and sisters please help

Thank you, I will pray for you all

Lord to strengthen my faith in Him and give me the strength to pray without ceasing for my family and people at large.Teach me to seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and these things shall e added.... This is a promise He gave us and His promises are indeed for sure.

Hello Jesse,

I was wondering what you mean by saying Jesus emptied Himself in this Philippians verse.

I do not think that Jesus set aside any of His deity in the incarnation, nor did He empty Himself of any of His divine attributes. But He continued to possess them all but chose not to express them through most of His earthly life. He lived as a man would live, but it was God living out an incarnated manhood.

I do think that in taking on human nature, His glory was veiled, but I do not think He emptied anything of His deity out of Himself during His earthly life just as He did not empty Himself of His humanity when He resurrected and ascended.

So, I would be be interested in hour explanation of Jesus emptying Himself in becoming man, since God cannot never change (be more or less divine than He truly is.

Dear Texsis,

I truly agree with everything you said.

Amen!

God bless us all!

Dear GiGi,

Amen in Jesus Mighty Name

Thank you. You have prayed a complete prayer for me.

I needed that so much. I read others' comments too and prayed for them, but I only have time to reply to you.

I will pray for you and others tonight too.

Marymay

The generation who came out of Egypt did indeed wander in the wilderness for 40 years and all but two out of two million plus perished in the wilderness .

Paul warns the church and every believer not to be like them " who entered not in because of unbelief".

It is worth noting that they did no work of God till they crossed Jordan .

The servant of Elijah did no work of God till he crossed Jordon .nor did the Lord himself till he crossed Jordon in baptism.

We rob ourselves or allow the devil to rob us when we believe the flesh rather than the Word of God .

For the ten spies saw the same things as the two faithful spies . But had forgotten what God had already done ,who it was who was with them and what he had promised for the future . They did not walk by faith ( in God) but by sight and a carnal mind and said we cannot go in .

The two faithful spies ,Joshua and Caleb saw the same things but in the true light of Gods presence power and provision and said we can .

Unbelief is not just not believing God it is believing another and wrong message.

So it was also with Eve.

As regards to the flesh and the Spirit .

What do you say then to the scriptures :-

"If we walk after the spirit we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh "?

Or " Let not sin reign in your mortal flesh"?

For if sin reigns and rules you will obey .

If Christ reigns and rules you will obey Him.

What do you say to John in his first epistle that if we are children of God " We will not sin"?

The emphasis is on not sinning , bit IF we sin we have an advocate with the zFather .

Paul expressed the battle between the flesh and the spirit and we too often focus on that but forget the " thanks be unto God who gives us the victory".

Is it not also written " They that are His have crucified the flesh with the lusts thereof"?

Too much 'humility ' is not a good thing .

Nor if truly humble can you at the same time be arrogant .

Indeed how can any man be arrogant if he truly has any lively knowledge of God?

I am not sure where you're getting your info, but great topic. I needs to spend some time learning much more or understanding more.

Thanks for magnificent info I was looking for this info for my mission.

God thank you for pouring favor on Stephanie and I. Bringing us together for true love. That Stephanie love me with all her heart. Together we are a shining light. I love her with all my heart.

Hallowed be thy name No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord. In Jesus Name AMEN!!

Hi Brother Jesse.

Here's the word generations in Hebrew pulled from Genesis 5:1.

Hebrew:

Transliteration: tledh tledh

Pronunciation: {to-led-aw'} to-led-aw'

Definition: From H3205; (plural only) {descent} that {is} family; (figuratively) history: - {birth} generations.

And here it is in greek.

Greek:

Transliteration: genea

Pronunciation: ghen-eh-ah'

Definition: From (a presumed derivative of) G1085; a generation; by implication an age (the period or the persons): - age generation nation time.

(The period of the persons.)

I didn't see that!

I always took it as the age of ALL those living at that time.

But the time period for the Jews does fit the context of the Chapter.

And it fits the view that the main focus of this period is on Israel.

GB.

Hi Giannis.

I said I would come back to John 21:15-19.

You said "the first two times He/Jesus uses the verb "philo" whereas the third time He uses the verb "agapo".

I have it different.

Jesus asked Peter the first 2 times Simon son of Jonas "Agape thou me". And peter responded yes Lord thou knowest that I "phile thee both times.

The third time Jesus asks Simon son of Jonas phile thou me.

" He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, phile thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I phile thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep."

I don't believe Peter was grieved because Jesus asked Peter three times because Peter denied Jesus 3 times as some do.

I believe Peter was grieved because Jesus used phile the third time coming down to Peters ability express his Love.

Hi Giannis.

Well that explains it.

Your reply is based off the assumption that I've seen that commercial. Sorry but I've haven't seen it.

You mentioned "Philia" means "friendship", "storge" means "affection", "eros" means "in love", "agape" means "love" in grk.

End quote.

That is also the way I define them..

However I wasn't defining them in my post, I was applying them and Identifying the source behind them in the English translated from the Greek.

You said Philia, storge, eros is not used for Love In modern grk only agape is used for "love". End quote.

Ok, well that's in the Greek, but in English all these words is translated Love, as you also acknowledged in John 21:15-19. "I will come back to that."

You went on to define agape and stated its used for man and also for God. I agree with that!

We see it used that way here in John 3:19.

( Men Love/agape darkness rather than light ) Men was totally given over to darkness unconditionally. That describes Love/Agape as a condition.

The shift is once saved and given the Holyspirit that love is unconditionally given over to light and the ability to "Love your brothern as I have loved you" as Jesus commanded.

" It's as you stated WE NEED GOD'S SPIRIT (to have the fruit of love and increase in it) and grace to grow in love. How far one rises in that scale is due to one's decision to go for it, using God's grace which is available to all believers."

The Love "FOR THE BROTHERN" I believe that is Gods spirit that CAUSES that! 1 John 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That HE WHO LOVETH GOD LOVE HIS BROTHER ALSO.

I'm not defining Agape as define love. I'm identifying the source and the define power giving us the ability to perform Gods Love to one another.

We can't do it on our own. Men Love darkness.

GBU.

Thank you Gerald, I do enjoy reading your various posts. But just on the matter of, "How long did it take for the children of Isreal to go from Egypt to the promised land? I would hazard the thought that most if not all will say 40 years .I too once thought so", how do you understand Numbers 14:26-34, particularly verses 33 & 34. Is the mention of forty years only figurative?

Armand,

I will try my best to answer who it is Satan will seduce once he is released for a short time after the 1,000 year reign. First let me say this. It won't be believers.

So, Satan will be bound for a thousand years. He will be cast into the bottomless pit, the ABUSSO, and shut up, a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more.

And after these things, it is necessary for him to be loosed for a short season.

So after the thousand years, we leave with Christ. And the people on the earth who are left over from the tribulation, who still are not saved, but they've been given this one thousand year opportunity to live under the rule of Christ with Satan bound, but when Satan is let loose, we will see that they will go back to serving Satan again.

I think it's a tragedy, but we have to understand that when a person is a rejecter of Christ, you could send him to heaven for a thousand years and say "Look how nice it is here," and when he comes back he's going to reject it. Nothing's going to impress him to be saved.

It's like the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man didn't want out. He only wanted to be comforted.

The reason he didn't want out was not because of the comparison between hell and heaven. It's because there's only one other place to be other than hell, and that's in the presence of Jesus Christ.

And for some people that's hell. They would prefer to be in hell, only comforted. They don't want to be with Christ. They are rejecters. And once a person's heart is a rejecter of Christ, you can't do anything about it.

Even living under perfect conditions, they still go back to serving Satan again.

I hope this helps?

Hello Giannis,

this is an interesting conversation about being humbled. I think that in Philippians 4 when it says that Jesus humbled Himself it does mean that He submitted Himself to the Father and to the plan ordained before the foundation of the world to save mankind from sin. But I also think that Jesus uniquely humbled Himself by taking a human nature unto Himself so that He, being God, would function as a man on earth being fully directed and empowered by the Holy Spirit. He did not stop being God when he incarnated in human flesh, but the humanity veiled His divinity and glory. Jesus took upon Himself the nature of a creature though He created all things. So, to speak, this was a downgrade for the Son of God. It was a humiliation, as even perfect humanity is beneath Him and His divine dignity. But He take on perfect humanity anyway, for us and to honor the Father and to carry out His love gift to us in His sacrifice for our sin.

Some people think that when Mary conceived that God the Son joined Himself to the person conceived in Mary. This is not true. The church has consistently confessed that Jesus was only on person, the Divine Son of God, but that He added a human nature (not another person) to Himself. The miracle of the conception of the Son of God is truly amazing. We can see that the Son truly humbled Himself to be conceived in Mary and go through human development to enter the world He created by being birthed by Mary. He did not indwell another human's body. The Father prepared a human body for Him. So, He was fully human and fully God, but not two persons. Nor was His divine nature mixed with His human nature. These existed in a union that did not involve mixing of two nature to become one new nature. In uniting his nature with a human nature, Jesus accepted restrictions to how His life was expressed. This was a humbling decision.

He has forever united His divine nature to His human nature so that He will eternally be fully God and fully man.

God is a God of order .

That order is " Let us make man in our image ." And was created out of the dust of the earth .

Eve the woman was created from the body of the man .

" Male and female made He THEM"

Who in marriage become one .

What follows is in that same order . God does not create a man with a woman inside him .

Nor did he create a woman with a man inside of her . They are quite separate.

Biologically they are quite separate and it's written far deeper than any surgeon can cut .

Nor is the creation of man repeated nor indeed the woman .

It shouid also be noted that while man was created in the image of God,he is born in the image of his father Adam.

Wee are MAN kind because every seed brings forth fruit after its own kind ..

Because of the fall and of sin the image of God is lost or. So marred it is no longer recognised .

Hence the " you MUST be born again " of corruptible but of the incorruptible seed which is the Word of God .

By that law that every seed will bring forth fruit after its own kind ,a corrupted seeds only bring forth corrosion unto death

The same law applying to the incorruptible seed will bring forth righteousness unto life .

And it is by their fruits you shall know them . Be anyone male or female.

If the bible does not specify then it is not for us to speculate & It shouldn'tatter anywho. They did what they did and God delt with them accordingly. We need to learn from this however so when God speaks to you I pray it takes less then 5 seconds to obey.

Giannis,

Again, we both agree in part. I think where we may differ is with the word generation (GENEA), where I understand Jesus to be referring to a race of people (Jews), and you say that you consider it as a time period which can not be indentified exactly.

I know you have a knowledge of the Greek language and I do appreciate that because it gives me an avenue of learning if I might need a better understanding of certain words.

The word in question is GENEA. In my studies, I am struggling to associate this word with time at all. Everything I have studied on this word tells me that Jesus was talking about a race of people, specifically the Jews, when He said this generation (GENEA) will not pass away until all these things be fulfilled.

Gerald,

I wanted to also say Amen to you in saying "Jesus truly is the only way." I agree completely. We can do nothing without Him!