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1 Cor 16:20, "All the brethren greet you. Greet ye one another with an holy kiss."

Hugging and kissing each other is not the norm in some cultures and nations. People from some nations find it very difficult to show their feelings and emotions, normally people from the North. But if we have love for each other...

1 Cor 16:15-16,

"15. I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,) 16. That ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with us, and laboureth."

We must submit ourselves to those in the church who offer any work and help for God's work on earth.

1 Cor 16:1-2,

"1. Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

2. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come."

Tenths/tithes? No, not in NT, but "as God hath prospered him", in other words what he can and wish.

Lets see again verse 23:

"But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

Firstly the grk says "presence" not "coming". Does it make any difference? Maybe.

The verse says that Christ is the firstfruit and then those who are Christ's at His presence. Those who are His, NOT all people. The rest will come next.

One may say that the saints will be resurrected just before Jesus comes back and then alltogether will come down to earth to fight the fight of Armaggedon.

In Matthew 25:31-46, the final Judgement is described. If those on Jesus' right are the saved ones (as it seems they are) which are the saints, then this is very strange. Why? Because the saints will be resurrected just before Jesus descending onto earth with them. In Rev 19:7-8, which describes that moment, the saints are given the white garments which means that they are judged and saved. So how come they go through a 2nd Judgement after the fight of Armaggedon?. It doesn't make sense, in a case of a post tribulation rapture.

Somewhere on the site you will see an icon that says : contact us . That's the one you want :) . Think it's on the first menu screen you get , near the bottom .

I sent the photo of the fork to admin , don't know what , if anything , they will do with it .

Sister Jema.

How do I contact Admn.,?

Hi Bennymkje , don't think there is a limit to posts , I do think that they all get read by a moderator . I think some words are red flagged and maybe some attitudes too . You can contact admin and ask them if there is a problem , I'm sure they will explain if they have found something that they think might be inappropriate :) .

So I have been thinking about posting this for a few days now . First I needed to be 100 per cent certain that it's genuine and I am . My mom and step dad are very poorly and in their mid 70's , recently my step dad took a turn for the worse , his lungs , liver and now bowels are in a very poor state and he is as close to death as anyone can be whilst still living in his own home . They both sit in the kitchen a lot and have mobility issues so don't move unless they have to . My dad's chair is quite close to the sink . The other day , he went to throw a fork into the sink while sat in his chair , done it many times . He missed and the fork landed on the floor in front of the sink . Their cutlery is very old fashioned , heavy solid stainless steel with a silver plate , a family heirloom . It landed as you would expect it to . My dad went to get up to put it in sink but mom said leave it I will get it when I wash the dishes . They sat for a few more minutes then mom went to stand up to wash dishes , she didn't get up properly , she looked at the fork on the floor and sat straight down in shock . The tip of the handle was raised about one inch off the floor . Nothing was supporting it . She pointed to it , my dad saw it , they were both stunned . It stayed like that for ten full minutes , they took a photo . In the end they were so freaked out my dad got up , picked it up and threw it in the sink . I asked them what they thought and my dad replied , very emotionally : it must be Ian . Ian was his younger brother who killed himself over 40 years ago aged 28 . They would get drunk together and sing a song with the chorus : he ain't heavy , he's my brother . My dad has , he says , seen his ghost a few times . I don't believe in any of this , ghosts etc . But I'm stumped , wish I could post the photo on here . Any one have any thoughts ? I have experienced a lot of phenomena in my life but always believe there's a logical explanation .

1 Cor 15:24-26,

22. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death

1 Cor 15:19,

"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable."

Gospel of prosperity? No thanks, I will not have any.

1 Cor 15:1-2,

"1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain."

Anything clearer than the above?

1 Cor 14:34,

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law."

1 Cor 14:37-38,

"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant."

1 Cor 12:28, "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."

1 Cor 12:24, "...For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:"

So if I see that I was given by God something more than the others, then I shouldn't think that I am something better than the rest, but maybe I am the part which lacked.

Hey Dan

Jesse A, is right,

John is speaking to believers who are in the progressional stages of "sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling of the Blood of Jesus". they're learning & putting on Christ in ever increasing measures, yet they have not yet attain to the baptismal of Christ were self is crucified & they are "dead unto sin" but are in the working out of their salvation with fear & trembling, revealing the true fear of the Lord is working within their hearts, to depart from all evil.

In this ever increasing measures of growth in Christ/Grace/Light/Spirit 1John 1:8 is refer too, John commands them to 1John 2:1 keep repenting, remaining tender to the motions of His Spirit, with a heart devoted to the fear of the Lord until the appointed time of the Father when we are baptize with the baptismal of Christ, " thoroughly purged". We having experientially learnt the struggles of Rom 6 & 7 and have been brought to Rom 8:1,2 & their is no condemnation because His Word has

Isa 55:11, go & sin no more, we have been brought through 1Pet 5:10 in Christ, born again of the Incorruptible Seed & thus become incorruptible too, by the Cross/ Spirit / Grace / Light shining in our hearts & received John 1:12

through all these experiences in the working out of our salvation & in our continuing to perfecting of holiness in the love & fear of God, ever growing in Grace, we can say with John, 1John 1:1-3

Oh, praise the Lord, Psalms 62:5 Proverbs 23:18

2 Timothy 2:19 Psalms 93:5 " who houses we are"

the LORD, strengthen & encourage you

Malachi 3:3

Friends, don't turn away from the Lord; Hebrews 12:29

who in His tender love trys our faith, whether it be birth & grounded in the doctrines of Christ.

True faith is birth of the Spirit & purifies the heart 1John 3:3 Psalms 24:3,4 Matt 5:8

If we are experiencing tribulations as define:

properly a pressing, pressing together, pressure within ,then our Refiner has come near us & we're in the fire being refined of false doctrines, sin or for whatsoever else He purposes are, for even after we are born again of His Spirit, tribulation & suffering continues in the perfecting of our faith, though now for a different purposes.

we're experiencing Psalms 89:14

Again, don't turn away from Christ, for He has come nearer to us, to purge out the dross

Love the Fire, its separates the precious from the vile, let us not hide our head in the darkness of an hole, like an ostrich & say i don't want to talk about it.

I hope you notice I said, we, us, our, Friends we all begin as miserable sinners, but we don't have to remain sinners.

Col 1:21,22 lets press towards the high calling in Christ Jesus

in love & truth

Pace yourself Brother , but push yourself as well , giving the Lord thanks in all things

thank you and may the Lord bless you brother , you and your family are in my prayers as well

please remember me and my family today in your prayers

Hi Ronald , I do wonder sometimes if maybe we are not all on the same page regarding what sin actually is . I think maybe some people might think that if they keep the ten commandments that means they haven't sinned . Sin is anything that is in opposition to God's Will . If we read Numbers Ch 15 , two things stand out to me , one is that ignorance of God's Will is no excuse for disobeying it and secondly , the soul that doeth ought presumptuously this is iniquity / or rather sin . This is a huge blanket that we are all under :) . Also , every time I read the book of James I am instantly conscious of my sinfulness , he does it to me every time :) . So I wonder if maybe that's the problem , Jesus tells us to despise no man , seriously , none of us have ever had nasty thoughts about anyone else ever ? Not necessarily without provocation but even with provocation , to think badly of anyone for any reason is considered a sin . I am definitely a sinner , I try hard every day and I fail every day . Only Jesus was able to live in the flesh without ever sinning . That's one of the reasons why he is so special and we , are not :) . Sin and death , the two great levellers of the human race .

Is there any limit to the number of comments one may leave in the forum? Are there specific block words which may not be used. I tried a couple of times and I was blocked?

John is speaking to believers.

The apostle paul references almost the same in

Roman's all chapter 7

May God bless you.

1 John:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

He is not speaking to believers here in 1John:8 he is speaking to unbelievers! He is hoping to gain new converts to fellowship with as you will see if you read the proceeding verses like 1 John 1:3 "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ."

Read on my friend. As believers we should be already be walking in truth 1 John 2:4 "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

1 John 2:6

"He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."

1 John 3:6

"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

As Christians we should stop telling ourselves and others that we can never stop sinning. This is a defeatist attitude and comes not from Jesus or God. In many places Jesus tells us nothing is impossible if we have Faith!

Read and Believe

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Hopeworshipsthelord, organize your priorities. Take notes in class, read your assignment, do your homework. Avoid distractions, no TV, no loud music, or better yet no music, no texting, no socializing, no iPad or internet unless needed for homework. Take a break if you need one. Create a schedule which you will follow. Eat well and sleep well. Don't stay up late. Heavenly Father, help Your child follow a healthy lifestyle. That Hopeworshipsthelord realize it is very important to please You in everything. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ. God bless you Hope.

Read 1st John Chapter 1 vs 8

Ronald.

Part 5.

Sanctification under the law and Gods acceptance of man's cleansing himself and a picture of the difference between the ministration of death and the ministration by the Spirit.

Exodus 19:10-12. And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their clothes, And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai. And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death:

This is a type of cleansing you are describing Ronald when considering man can keep himself sanctified. The problem is, this is absent of Christ atonement.

"Man can never do enough to come from under Christ atonement!

Our part is to obey the Spirit that has been sown in our hearts to carry the Lord's name. We are not to take the Lord's name in vain.

We are to be set apart from the world by our chastened walk through the Spirit, but when it comes to the Holiness of God, our obedience doesn't set us apart from our past, present, and future sin. The atoning blood of Christ does that forever.

The children of Israel although cleaning themselves they could never cleanse themselves enough to come into the presence of God. NEITHER CAN WE!

However, under the new covenant where Christ blood cleanses us we see the contrast of the two in 2 Corinthians 3:3-18.

and Galatians 4:21-31.

The power of His Holy Spirit that gives us new birth at justification is the same power that sanctifies us through the life of the risen Christ.

There are many Bible passages that puts the onus on the Christian to grow spiritually ( Romans 12:1-2; 2 Peter 3:18). However, the Bible clearly indicates that the Christian must cooperate with God but not for eternal security, It's for spiritual growth.

Thanks for replying and God bless.

Dear Frankie J,

Same question to Brother Dan.

I will just ask one question and you can answer it to yourself. Can you say and confess from the day you accepted Jesus as your Savior and was baptized you have not committed any sin? Is that true? If you cannot answer yes, it is true I have not committed any sin since I accepted Jesus as my Savior and was baptized, your debate is fruitless.

No more replies on this subject.

RLW

Dear Brother Dan,

I will just ask one question and you can answer it to yourself. Can you say and confess from the day you accepted Jesus as your Savior and was baptized you have not committed any sin? Is that true? If you cannot answer yes, it is true I have not committed any sin since I accepted Jesus as your Savior and was baptized, your debate is fruitless.

No more replies on this subject.

RLW