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Hello Ronald,

I wish to enter this conversation with you even though we have discussed together this topic in other past converstations. I hope you do not mind.

In regards to the doctrine of the triune nature of God, several questions come to my mind.

Is God and has He always been one solitary person?

Before creation was He always and only alone, without anyone to love?

Did Jesus exist before creation? Did the Holy Spirit exist before creation?

If so, who were they in relation to the Father?

How did the Father, the Son, and the Spirit all create all that is, seen or unseen?

What does Scripture say about these questions?

Does Scripture teach that God is only one person who manifest in three forms, but all these manifestations are only one person?

(Modalism)

For those who do not believe in the triune nature of God (three persons that share equally one divine nature) I would like answers to these questions. Since you have declared you to be non-trinitarian maybe you can give me your views in answer to these questions in this post.

Do you believe the Son is a created being?

I so, when did He come into existence?

Do you believe that the Son is only human in nature?

Do you believe that Jesus became "the Christ" during His lifetime (Adptionism)?

Do you believe Jesus ever aquired a divine nature in His earthly life?

Do you believe that the will of the Father and the will of the Son are always the same or different?

Do you believe at a human being can truly save all men from sin and death by a perfect life in their own will?

How would a human being know that they are the Messiah from birth and thus know not to ever sin?

Do you believe that Jesus lived a sinless life?

Do you believe that the Father and the Son are one as Jesus said in Jn. 17 or that He and the Father are "in" one another and if they see Jesus, they see the Father?

How is it that Jesus AND the Father send the Holy Spirit if there is only one person as God?

I appreciate your answers

Dear Pnovello: I am so sorry about Monique. I think losing a child must be one of the hardest trials we can have on this earth to face. It brings us serious grief, but we must, as I believe you have, turn to God for comfort and acceptance of this trial. What a blessing that she is now with her precious Lord being loved by Him in such a special way.

I understand why you stopped praying for yourself and started praying for Monique, a mother and father's love is immeasurable, but remember, God can hear all prayers of His Children at all times. God Bless :)

Hi Bennymkje,

I know you are an author and your vocabulary is greater than mine I will try to respond but to be truthful you are hard to follow. First MOU my understanding is a nonbinding agreement between parties stating their intentions. How can that be a covenant a covenant is a relationship between partners either conditional or unconditional and this covenant is between God the Father and God the Son. Would not the Holy Spirit be a part of this covenant and the will of God that the Son completes? John 6:38 It is God's will not Jesus's like He said in Luke 22:42.

If God is a triune God, would it not be the will of all three with no difference in authority or knowledge? Why the need for a covenant between them since all three are God and all three are equal?

At the beginning of each day, God said what was to be, the spoken word of God, and it was so. Other than speculation how can we say the Son was in agreement? Isaiah 45:18 In Genesis 1:28 would be an unconditional covenant, more of a blessing, God placed man above all that was created on earth and man was given dominion over it. God delegated the rule of man over His creation and no consequences were stated, we see how that turned out.

I agree Jesus did not need to be water baptized for remittance of sin, but He did need the anointing of the Holy Ghost/Spirit to become the Messiah/Christ. The word of God was in Jesus and by the Holy Ghost/Spirit Jesus did the works of His Father therefore Jesus was the tabernacle of God, the image of God for every word Jesus said was not His but the word of God the Father. John 4:34 John 5:30 John 12:44-45

Philip was the first to bring the gospel to the Samaritans.

I hope you can make sense of this.

God bless,

RLW

Thank you, dear sister. I so appreciate your prayers for me. God Bless :)

Thank you. Your reply really touched me. I do always try to turn to the Holy Ghost for His wisdom in my comments so I give Him the praise. God Bless :)

Amen Sister Amen. God bless you. :)

The Apocrypha wad translated by the Commission that translated the Textus Receptus (of which virtually all is the KJV).

The Apocrypha did not get removed until the KJV was updated -- in 1882. So if it wasn't "God inspired," how did it manage to remain between the Testaments for 270+ years?

Before you try to answer that, bear in mind thise who put it there also translated the Testaments, as well. So clearly they knew about it.

being Sober

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;" 1 Timothy 3:2 KJV

A sober person is serious person (making and doing what is important, taking the gospel of Jesus Christ seriously. Since as in the office of a Bishop, God is the supervisor of this office, if you will, and God is a spirit. Being able to have a knowing of the unseen presence of God at all times. (all believers should have a God consciousness)

A sober person is a solemn person (being able to perform sacred ceremonies or worship rituals with great importance and in a highly serious manner.

In order for a Bishop to perform this their thinking has to be sober, and not experiencing uncontrolled thoughts, having complete focus and be in charge of his thoughts and thinking on purpose. During times of holy ceremonies a Bishop needs to be fully reverencing God and the things of God, with his heart and mind open to God and not things of the flesh during sacred times and events.

Because all believers need to be serious also and participate in solemn ceremonies a Bishop is needed to be an example of a sober minded person. A Bishop is needed to teach about such things as well.

Respectfully submitted in the name of our precious Lord and Saviour Jesus, the Christ.

I have a replica of the 1611 KJV. The Apocrypha is in there. It is tucked in between the Old and New Testaments -- as it should be.

From what I understand, the Apocrypha covers the time between Malachi and the New Testament.

Interestingly enough, the commission that translated the Textus Receptus (where the KJV almost exclusively entails), they did NOT remove the Apocrypha. It stayed in the KJV until the late 1800 (around 1880). So, if it were truly "unGodly," they would have NEVER left it in.

Reply to KJV on Isaiah 53:5

Thank you for taking time to help me understand Isaiah 53:5.

Healing puts back in place something that is out of order. Healing fixes things. Jesus' purpose in the land of the living was to make us whole.

It seems that Jesus reassured people that came to him for healing that their sins would not hinder their healing if they believed. Isaiah 53:5 is referring to both body and soul. In one scripture , the devils knew the prophesy of Isaiah concerning him. Jesus not only heals the "sin-sick soul, (transgression, iniquities) but the mind, BODY and soul. (COVID, Cancer, AIDS, Heart

Trouble, High blood pressure, diabetes) I noticed that in many conversation with the sick, Jesus mentions "sin." He was connecting sickness and sin.

St. James also mentioned Elders of the Church in relations to prayers for healing "sickness. and "sin."

The words " the chastisement of our peace, (our anxieties)

was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." "Jesus stripes" are talking about healing every part of us that need fixing.

Mark 1 :1-11 The word of God-sound and sign (2 of 2)

v.5 " And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins"

The great revival 'in all the land of Judaea and they of Jerusalem' was not because of John's austerity or of his person but the voice of the Lord worked with men as he 'shaketh the wilderness; the Lord shaketh the wilderness of Kadesh.". Hinds calve as surely men see a great light dawning on them.(Ps.29:8-9). Here also Isaiah saw ahead ,"The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up."(Matt.4:14-16). The same voice that inspired Isaiah did enthuse John's Father. The Angel of the Lord is how the sound becomes a sign. St Luke report of it, "And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God./And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."( Luke 1:16-17) At first Zecharias would not believe and his temporary dumbness was a sign. As surely as calves of a hind.

v.11 "And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Here we have both word as a sound as a sign.

Compared to other gospels Mark tells us salient features of the Advent of the Son with great economy of words. "And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness."(v.12)

Hi Ronald

" Genesis 1:26 many apply the Trinity to this verse but then we must ignore verse 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. This could also easily be first-person plural." No it is not. "

I, God changeth not"(Mal.3:6) Neither does He give his glory to another. Ge.1: 27 says " So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." Ge. 1 refers to the MOU or the everlasting covenant between God the Father and God the Son. Thus the Will of God in v.26 and the Son completes it. "It was so" at the end of each day is as though the Son in agreement.(v.7)

The v.28 God blesses them (man). The covenant is between God and Man. In primary sense it is man say Adam. In secondary sense it is set down by the Holy Ghost in terms of God as Being as well as in terms Christ and the Church.

As Being what is God? He is one. ("Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"-De.6:4) Jesus Christ as the visible image of the invisible God is both glory as well as body in Trinity. The Father Son and Holy Spirit are not considered separate entities but manifestations of the same Being. The Son of man expresses the Word become flesh. Similarly the Word was God. The same Spirit but expressed as separate. Jesus did not require baptism by water but in obedience to the Word and in human likeness he undertook so in all things he was as human as you and me.

When we say that the scriptures must be fulfilled Jesus in his humanity met the criteria. The third office in Trinity serves by bringing events, persons connect according to the divine Will. He therefore brought Evangelist Philip to meet the Ethiopian. The entire scripture is organized on a reconstituted time.

Mark 1:1-11 (1of 2)

"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;/As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee."(vv.1-2)

Mark presents Jesus as the Son of God. He does not say he was the Word become flesh but in his obedience to the Word, he is shown as born of God. His faith makes him human as John or anyone of us. "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."( John 1:12-13) Above the quote is from Malachi (3:1) which has not become entangled with that of the quote from next verse. About this we shall take up at the end of the note on v.3

"The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." (v.3)

This cites Prophet Isaiah who did not say it in a vacuum but inspired of God who commanded so the knowledge of his glory in terms of man gave expression to the word of God which itself manifests the other worldly quality of faith."The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."(2 Co.4:6;Is.40:3) St Paul asks, "But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world." It is thus truth written in our inward parts make sense of it.(Ro.10:18)

quote from Isaiah is set in place by the preceding verse. "Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins." This refers to the remnant of Israel at the eleventh hour as it were, delivered from fire. Compare the quote from Malachi. "behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts."(Mal.3:1) Mark's quote therefore fits with the Advent of Jesus Christ as more closer in time. The voice of the Lord reaches the ends of the world as risen Christ promises. (Matt.28:20) '

Hi Bennymkje,

Just me, seems there are fewer discussions lately on this site and Momsage's post suggested discussion. My understanding of discussions is brothers and sisters sharing their understanding of a subject not to belittle or to prove one as being wrong, but by sharing our understanding of a subject that will encourage each other to study in prayer for the truth.

What is faith? We see in Hebrews 11:1,6 We also have Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

We are to have faith but our faith cannot be based on the word of man where we can be deceived and taken out of the way. Our faith must come from the word of God guided by His Spirit and His word is the Holy Scripture, He has given us.

This one subject is based on the word of man, nowhere in Scripture does it tell us we must believe or have faith in a triune God, but the opposite, Deuteronomy 6:4 Mark 12:29 1 Timothy 2:5, and many more. "God made us a living soul" Soul is the Hebrew word nephesh, a living being, any living being, every air-breathing creature is a nephesh, a living being/soul.

Genesis 1:26 many apply the Trinity to this verse but then we must ignore verse 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. This could also easily be first-person plural, like mom says, let us make tacos and then she is the one who makes the tacos. If we lived before 489 AD, before the Trinity doctrine was made the foundational belief of Christianity, and the punishment of heresy, how would we take this verse?

If we walk in the world we will perish, if we walk in the Spirit our faith is in Jesus and our hope is as Jesus was resurrected in His glorified body so we shall also be resurrected in our glorified body into eternal life with Him.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Ronald

Neither the Spirit has told us how to breathe but we do it naturally through our nostrils. When God breathed through the nostrils of man we understand God a Spirit made us a living soul. The soul establishes His authority.There is more to life than existing.

We have body spirit and soul which corresponds with the 'us' in God's commandment "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness."(Ge.1:26) Likeness gives a body, spirit and soul which is after the similitude existing in heaven.

"A body hast thou prepared me"(He.10:5) a glorious body for the Son consequently must hold true for us, is it not? It is to this spiritual body St Paul refers,"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."(2 Co.5:1) Glory of body is as what God gives. Adam was earthy, since from the ground he was formed. For those have born again as a new creation, the body is glorious as that of Christ who is the Lord of heaven. Thus glory of body differs as those of earth and of heaven differs.

We breathe merely as natural man. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. So as new creation we breathe as indwelling Spirit equipped us, seeking the perfect will of God. It is a matter of faith. Either you breathe so your soul shall escape condemnation when called to account Or you breathe till you body hit the dust, awaiting judgment.

Gospel of St Mark-overview

Prima facie one is likely to assume that Evangelist Matthew as one of the twelve is more likely to be advantaged over Mark as one given a ringside view of Jesus, his life, passion death and resurrection. The generation of Mark was farther from controversies whipped up for and against the man but what he had set off, the visible form of worship and attitudes unusual in the prevailing moral laxity the nascent church was gaining strength despite all odds. Mark however was among the stalwarts like Simon Peter and Paul and also early convert.

The Spirit having taken a hand over both Matthew and Mark has set down the truth regardless of the time lapse. How can he not present the Word become flesh but with authority so his truth sanctifies to which no scholarship of man is equal. Without any hesitation we can say that Mark as a faithful believer benefits from the Holy Ghost as other canonical gospel writers to set what is true. The risen Christ said, "And, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." Given the truth set in inward parts whosoever thus equipped it is fit to the job.

As a disciple the Spirit entrusted St Matthew to delineate the preeminence of Jesus Christ; so with a large canvass at his disposal the risen Christ caps his Gospel with these stirring words of comfort, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." As having overcome death for believers both heaven and earth are reconciled in a believer by his assurance: St Mark is as inspired as he but his is like lapidary work, focusing more on his inner life, prayer life for instance

After mentioning his temptation in the wilderness we have this verse: 'And in the morning, rising up a great while before day, he went out, and departed into a solitary place, and there prayed(1:35)'. (6:31-32)(6:34)

thank you and may the Lord bless you

thank you and may the Lord bless you and your family

please remember my daughters and family in your prayers , please remember me

After many trials and tribulations, I knew that God had selected me for a purpose. War, jail, drug addiction, suicide, and PTSD had only been overcome by my Lord and savior Jesus Christ. In a world and time like this, it's not easy to be humble and loving but it is possible for Christ led by example. We must also lead by this example in a world full of demons that try to block of us of our given purpose to make the world a better place. Remember a day at a time and even when things don't go our way, we must remain faithful and believe that God does everything for a purpose. In Luke 22:42 (NIV), Jesus says, "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."



In the name of Jesus, Amen

I escaped the abusive version thanks for your prayers . now I need prayers in order to secure a place of my own and independence from Humanity . just like my own bathroom and isolation for just God and Me

In the precious name of Jesus, your daughter is covered in the blood of the Almighty. She will make it from point to point safely. Amen

Thank you, Momsage, for your good advice. You are right.

Our daughter passed away December 6, 2023. Monique was diagnosed on September 26, 2023, with colon cancer that spread to her liver, lungs, plus 11 lesions in her brain. Monique never smoked, drank, drugs. My heart is broken.

All that to tell you that we stopped praying for a miracle for me and prayed for a miracle for her, but God took her home.

I am at the point of what George Muller cried out for, heaven or restoration. The Lord healed him.

I will read and reread Matthew 6:9-13.

From my love to you, Momsage, I pray the Lord heal you of arthritis. God bless you. :)

Heavenly Father, bless my sister in Christ, in all her needs. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ. Amen

You are not suffering be sure of your ancestors behaviour . If that was true and something that happened to all people what a terrible terrible life all of us would have . Read Ezekiel chapter 18 . Everyone suffers in this life it's part of being human and sinners . Think of how much Jesus suffered and he never sinned . It is through Christ and his victory that we can live happily in this life no matter how hard things get . We have something much better than this world to look forward to so focus on your life in Christ not on this life . This life will end but our life in Christ is forever with him forever and with him is no suffering only joy and peace . Look forward to that and you will be happy in this life no matter how hard things get .

Oops I sent my comment to myself by mistake but RLW you can read my comment anyway.

To believe in the Trinity is to believe in God. There is no salvation if you don't believe in God. Why you don't want to believe in the Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is beyond me. But I know you have done a lot of discussions on this. I haven't seen any of it but I don't particularly want to discuss it. I doubt I will have anything to say you that you haven't already heard.

Hi Momsage,

Many believe as you do in the Trinity, as you say, "The Trinity is God so how can you be saved and not believe in the Trinity". The Trinity was developed almost 400 years after Jesus ascended to heaven. This is not to debate. I think most on this site know my understanding of this.

Just a thought, to eliminate any doubt, if we must believe God is a Triune God to receive salvation shouldn't there be Scripture telling us this? You may have found where John, Peter, Paul, or any other apostles have written and told us we must believe in the Trinity for salvation, but I have not found it.

God bless.

RLW

Dear Lord: my request is that all true believers remember in all things, as we pray, the upper most desire in our minds and hearts is THAT GOD'S WILL BE DONE.

1 John 5: 13-15

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing ACCORDING TO HIS WILL he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him."

God always hears our prayers and answers them but sometimes it might be a "no" or a "not right now" but always remember whatever the answer is God knows it is for your absolute good and this should give you peace. God Bless :)

Almighty God let YOUR will be done. Amen