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Amen Brother Jesse:

Ephesians 4:4 ....ONE Spirit ...... called by different names.

God Bless YOU!

One Eighty,

I'm sorry but the scriptures DO NOT agree with you.

John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

Jesus warns that if we continue sinning only worse things will happen!

Proverbs 1:7

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

Matthew 10:28

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Proverbs 14:2

"He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the LORD: but he that is perverse in his ways despiseth him."

Job 28:28

"And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding."

God is FEAR and LOVE! If we are wise we will love Him and fear Him!

GBU

Sister Jema:

The WILL of GOD is CAUSING all thing to fall under his will. God makes no mistakes, by suffering Christ learned obedience, a child

is TOLD, do not touch the stove, it is hot, a child has no knowledge, through suffering those hot stoves we GET KNOWLEDGE, through knowledge we LEARN obedience.

Sister Jema:

Good questions.

Does God tell us not to do something, then turn around and CAUSE US to do it.

YES!

God told the children NOT TO marry outside their tribe.

Samson was told by his mother and father that GOD SAID NOT TO marry a Philistine.

Judges 14:4 But his father and mother KNEW NOT it was of the LORD that he (God) sought an occasion AGAINST the Philistines.

God told David NOT TO number ISRAEL:

2 Samuel 24:1 ...and God MOVED David to go and number Israel.

God Bless YOU!

TKL thank you for your comments and for your kind words in defense of me. It is very much appreciated.

It is also truly good to see someone else defending the Inspired Word of God on this site, sadly not many do!

Every Word of God is pure! ( Proverbs 30:5-6)

Growing daily should be important to every one of us.

God Bless you TKL.

Thank You. That is very helpful

Jesse its good to hear from you. I wouldn't say I was mistreated by GiGi but I will say GiGi seems to run from questions when she has no answers for them, instead of looking at it to seek the truth with an open mind which is what allows us to grow in the Word, and our Faith as the Holy Ghost will teach us all things.

Jesse you say the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit of God are all the same. The Comforter IS the Holy Ghost ( Jn 14:26) "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost".

When does the Comforter come? ( Jn 16:7) "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

Those of us who believe that God preserved His Words in the KJB also believe that EVERY Word of God is pure, EVERY WORD!

The Holy Ghost wasn't mentioned in the OT because the Comforter did not come until after Jesus was crucified.

Thus the Holy Ghost shows up in the NT.

Which only gives strength to the holy men of God being the KJB translators who were moved by the Holy Ghost in ( 2 Pet 1:19-21) It is not Biblical that they were the OT prophets as GiGi and others have said in past posts.

Jesse you said "Finally, I did consider responding before GiGi did, but there is a reason why I chose not to. I had a suspicion where this was headed right from the very beginning. It seems as though I chose wisely".

The only place this was headed Jesse was to show the Truth, it should be accepted!

I seek the Truth in the Word of God with an open mind, I don't post to please others, or to be in agreement with others as many here seem to do. I try to post on subjects that have great importance to the time we live in now, to help others who are deceiving themselves or being deceived to see the Truth.

This is one of those subjects. I really don't understand why you are suspicious of me Jesse, you honestly have no reason to be.

The Word of God is Alive.

Blessing to you Jesse.

I am sorry Jimbob, I don't read or study enough translations to know what is clarified in the verses before or after. Neither do I know the intents of the author or author's. Our church embraces the KJV and I am blessed when I "keep the sayings of this book" Rev. 22:9. I also use the Greek and Hebrew when I need clarification on a word or meaning with the goal of "following" the word and not of "getting around" the word.

Thank you for responding

God is so amazing and thank you for this beautiful reply

Thank you!

Thank you!

Thank You, God bless

I stay in a different state from my sons, I do however pray for them at home and church constantly, just seems like Satan won't take his hands off my boys. Thank You God Bless.

I would think Hagar was given from being a servant to a wife as a second wife. Philip may have been divorced it doesn't say here either. As to bondage; it depends on the meaning of the word; the original language seems to indicate that there is no longer any need to continue in the commitment of marriage duties when someone wishes to leave but the term is different than forced labor; or a marriage covenant. That's how I see it; scripture doesn't contradict. Obviously, there were rules such as Deut. 24 so it was happening although multiple marriages occurred in the O.T. with men (don't see women doing that). Apparently God recognized it to some extent or He wouldn'thave heeded Leah then Rachel having children with Jacob. There were goings on with concubines which was clearly adultery but God tolerated it in the past just as allowed for a time Deut 24 (notice the Pharisees said Moses commanded it but the real reason Jesus illustrated).

Ge.2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."

What is the significance of the seventh day? This is the day "This is the day the Lord has made." (Ps.118:24) Without the mention of the Son whose fulness is totally invested in it what shall this Psalm quote would lead to" An epicure shall make of this clause "We will rejoice and be glad in it," as license to justify his pleasures without any restraint. God is clear, "You are My Son,

Today I have begotten You."(Ps.2:7-NKJV) This decree is what we have examined in the Ch.1. So now is the day of Salvation because the day stands for the Son in whom all things consist. Col.1:16-17 .

The Abstract that forms the chapter puts all things,,"that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him," does not take to another interpretation. Heroes of faith despite of some egregious personal faults double in the narrative for him. God divided the light from darkness.(Ge.1:4b) When the angels of God confronted Jacob he called the place Mahanaim. "He said, This is God's host: and he called the name of that place Mahanaim."(Ge.32:2). The Spirit elliptically explains its significance when he divided the goods for Esau who was coming to meet him. He made ensure that he and his family were secure while his gifts of appeasement did its work to send him away. The distinction between children of light and of disobedience continue ever since God willed there can be no concord between light and darkness.Similarly in the revolt of Korah brothers, we have a separation, "Speak unto the congregation, saying, Get you up from about the tabernacle of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram.(Nu.16:24) the Spirit warns us,"And what concord hath Christ with Belial?" (2 Co.6:15). Either Christ or with Belial and there is no middle ground.

thank you Sister , i keep you in my prayers

please remember me and my family today in your prayers

Ge.2:1-3

Here we have the Spirit reviewing the abstract preceding with his marginal notes as it were, 'Thus the heavens and the earth were finished.'

The divine Will is multilayered so the slain Lamb as an emblem has same consistency as the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. Jesus Christ the same is paraphrased by a tag 'the heavens' and putting to much emphasis on three heavens is merely overkill. The fulness of Jesus Christ gives him preeminence whether we consider the heaven, the earth and below the earth. What concerns us that Jesus after death preached to the spirits in prison. It highlights by the same token this fulness as he ascended to the heaven after resurrection. The Spirit uses number 7 to indicate completeness so the spirit that left his first state is shown having seven heads(Re.12:3) The ten horns however established he is already judged when Satan appears as the red dragon or works through the beast (Re.13:1).

Jesus preaching to spirits in prison (1 Pe.3:19) creates a tag. The number 8 as we find in this verse,"Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days./Give a portion to seven, and also to eight." Also to eight is a clear reference to it. This has a bearing on the Four and twenty elders as memorial in heaven encompass the heaven the earth and below. The 24 elders (8x3) are not patriarchs of Israel and the disciples of Jesus combined. They instead represent the fulness of the Son.For this reason they worship him continuually, "for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."(Re.4:11)

I would like to ask two questions

. Bearing in mind that we Christians are not under the law of Moses , do you , any of you , think that because something is ' against scripture ' that this means , for 100 per cent certainty , that it is against God's Will ?

Next question , if we answered ' no , we cannot be 100 per cent certain that because something is against scripture that it is automatically against God's Will ' then how can we tell some one else that they can't do this that or the other ? There are of course exceptions , none of us should be doing anything against the laws of our land or things that we know are absolutely wrong such as murder , rape , physical violence , theft etc . But the permutations can be endless ! There are so many nuances to us humans and to life in these extremely imperfect kingdoms of men . The real law is the law of love and our touchstone should always be love ,God's love and Christ's love first and then human love . This is where prayer and the Spirit of Truth come in . For sure we humans will get things wrong , we are not pure , not one of us . Therefore mistakes will be made . But we must never doubt God's enormous love for us , His understanding of our weak nature and our needs and , His enormous capacity for forgiveness . We may suffer the consequences of our actions in this life , but God is very generous and merciful . We must never look down on any brother or sister for making a mistake , and in my opinion , to totally close the door on someone is a dangerous thing to do , to them and to ourselves .

"And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

Here we shall consider the significance of the number Six. God blessed His creation and also placed him in charge, "Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet" (Ps.8:6). His blessings are irrevocable. Thus the Spirit explains the word of God and his holiness to which we shall mention his faith in particular. If anyone should deny it he makes God a liar. "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." ( 1 John 2:4) Faith without works is dead and Jesus gave a direct answer to what one means by works of God. It is to believe in the Son who whom he sent. The son of perdition is tagged by number 666, indicating he is damned. For this reason the Spirit gives us a clue. Satan has found a body as in the case of the serpent in the fall of man, and the beast and the false prophet are embodiment of it. In the vision of St John, "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet./ For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,"(Re.16:13-14) Number 6 is a tag for the body spirit and soul.

Coming back to the everlasting covenant between God and Man we read in the Ch.2 thus." And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:"(Ge.2:3). This seventh 'day' is the culmination, the point their covenant comes in effect. What remains a day decreed for the Son. (Ps.2:7)

For this reason we have the word of God, "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." When God and Man have both found the articles we considered hitherto as good who shall contradict it? (1 Pe.1:19). We have been purchased by the blood of the Lamb. The slain Lamb in the divine Will is same as Jesus Christ is same yesterday, today and forever.

...they must live their lives without human love , affection and comfort ? We know from a wealth of experience , what happens to people who are not permitted to give and receive human affection and romance , just look at the catholic church ! People who have had to live without physical love ( and I mean love not sex ) are deeply affected by this , it can cause all sorts of mental health issues . As a baby , and I mean a baby , i was denied affection . No one was allowed to cuddle me , I was only held when I was fed . As a consequence I'm not much of a hugger :) . It's a dangerous thing to deny a human the comfort of a loved ones cuddle and body heat . I would say that I am not to judge . They will stand before their Redeemer and He will pass judgement . I shall hold my peace .

Hi Gigi , yes this is a hot topic ! Human relationships always are because they involve human emotions which can be extremely powerful . My congregation in the past has been very strict on this matter . Brothers and sisters have even been disfellowshiped because they haven't married people from our denomination . As the decades have rolled by we are very slightly more lenient , but only slightly ! With regards to what to do about people who have married , as you put it , outside of the Lord's will : firstly we cannot be one hundred per cent sure that that is the case , people might disagree with me on this I'm sure :) . Remember that we are not under the law . When I first joined my congregation as a single young woman , a brother was interested in me and his wife , who had been a member , had left and divorced him but not for adultery . As it happened I was not conflicted about this because I wasn't attracted to him . However I did notice that his affection for me caused a stir among the other members . My best friend in the congregation was an elderly sister who had been married twice , ( to fellow members ) her first husband died and her second was divorced because his wife left him for another man . When she married her second husband they were both disfellowshiped instantly without any discussion . This was heart breaking to them as they are both devoted to God . After about a year , discussions started , they had to admit that what they had done was against scripture and repent but ! They were not forced to divorce , this is just adding sin to sin , plus I don't think that they would have divorced . Personally , I don't believe that falling in love is ever a sin , some times unadvisable :) but there is no sin in genuine love . We have had members choose to marry ' against scripture ' and have just left us rather than be kicked out :( this is very sad to me .God brings people into our lives for a reason , who are we to tell fellow Christians that...see 2

Rapture and Tribulation does not change Salvation and Grace, it just takes those who are ready. Tribulation is for God to get His people to turn back to Him and never want to turn again. Gentiles will be there too. The Anti-christ is the King of the North (from the tribe of Dan, Jewish decent)

Raptured before Tribulation are in Rev 5:9-10 in Heaven before Chapter 6,and so on.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Hello Giannis,

Thank you so much for responding to my question. When you ask: "When the state/people are punishing criminals, why is it surprising that God acts similarly?" My answer is that God is higher than us. His ways are not our ways. You also stated: "They wish a God who loves them, but they don't wish to love others." My response to that is that we cannot compare God to us. We can't judge what God does by what we do. We are trying to be like God. God is not trying to be like us! I am just not comfortable believing that God resorts to violence. I do, however, resonate with the part of your response that says: "It is true that we don't have answers to every question, but we can rely on that we believe in a righteous God who is determined to reward" Thank you, again for responding to my question.

TKL,

When I read the statement: "The (Holy Ghost) first shows up in the Bible in the New Testament," my response (if I would have chosen to give one) would have been similar to GiGi's response.

True, Jimbob uses the term Holy Ghost, not Holy Spirit or Spirit of God, but are they not all the same Spirit?

So, if they are the same Spirit (which I believe they are), even though the term Holy Ghost is not mentioned in the Old Testament, the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit/Spirit of God/Gods Spirit, whichever phrase you wish to use, can all be found working throughout the OT, regardless of which term is used.

If someone chooses to say Holy Ghost, and the other person chooses to say Holy Spirit or Spirit of God, it's all the same Spirit, and that Spirit (Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost) is found in the OT.

I do not see any mistreatment by GiGi here, and if Jimbob feels he is being mistreated, I think he would say so. He's been upfront with me in some of our conversations in the past so I think he would speak for himself if he felt that he was being mistreated. Just my thoughts!

Finally, I did consider responding before GiGi did, but there is a reason why I chose not to. I had a suspicion where this was headed right from the very beginning. It seems as though I chose wisely.

Oseas,

Thank you for this information. I do agree that the nail scars were visible in His hands. As far as being nailed in each foot, scripture does not give us that. Can you please share your source of that information?

Also, I am trying to figure out how the entire second half of your post has anything to do with the question that was asked. Can you help me out there also?

Thanks again for sharing!

1 Corinthians 15:v.45-46

45 ...The first man Adam was made a living soul;the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual,but that which is natural;and afterward that which is spiritual.

Well, since the beginning the Word-i.e. GOD-had planned to make man in His image,but how once He is Spirit?GOD sent JESUS about 4000 years after Adam,the first earthly man.And JESUS said:My Father works hitherto,and I work- John 5:17.Notice that when JESUS said this, still very recently He was in the bosom of the Word- John 1:18-,but now He already was in person working together with the Word, i.e.GOD tghe Father, and it at the age 30 or so,then He revealed that His Father was still working, although it was the beginning of the fifth Day. But Jesus knew what He was talking about, so He said: I and my Father are One.

The Word-i.e. GOD-is Spirit. How could man see an image of the Spirit? What is its image of the Spirit? It would be impossible to describe, unless it be created materially, physically, its own image. This explains why Israel always was tempted by the Devil to create an image of GOD for to worship it, and they made even a golden calf.

According to the Word, first He needed to create an image from He Himself and that's what God did, and thus JESUS was born in the turn of the fourth to the fifth Day or in the turn of fourth to the fifth millennium. GOD sent JESUS, for"He loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. GOD sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;but that the world through Him might be saved.He that believeth on Him is not condemned:but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the NAME of the only begotten Son of GOD, JESUS.And this is the condemnation,that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil"- John 3:v.16 to 19.

Larryc, and Jesse, and Jim Miller

JESUS was nailed exactly in the center of His hands on the lines that form the figure of an M. And was also nailed in each foot , nailed close to the heel, in the calcaneus region.

Luke 24:36-43

36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and SUPPOSED that they HAD SEEN A SPIRIT.

38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for A SPIRIT HATH NOT FLESH AND BONES as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them His HANDS and his FEET.

41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

In fact GOD allowed His Son JESUS to be taken to the slaughter like a sheep,but the way He would be killed was not chosen by GOD the Father,but by the Devil,that is the old Serpent,and Satan;and the object that was chosen by the Devil was the satanic CROSS for killing JESUS,for torturing Him,and for humiliation,and mockery, and for the most cruel suffering,until death.JESUS already knew the satanic plan of the Devil- Matthew 26:2-Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover,and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

To take up the cross is to suffer for the love of JESUS,to suffer for the preaching of His Gospel,suffering to testify of His Word in the Devil's world,to suffer for the preaching of His teachings within the Devils's world,to suffer testifying of the redeeming work of JESUS for the corrupt world of Devil,whose work cost his own life by dying on the man-made cross, Devil's cross.Devil's cross that many have on their avatar,the satanic cross that devilish Catholicism kisses and adores, understand? CROSS IS CURSE.

Brother Richard:

Matthew 3:22...Except those days of the great tribulation be SHORTENED, no flesh could BE SAVED.

You say your pretrib

The above scripture says you CANNOT be saved till after the great tribulation.

The word says WE ARE SAVED by the RESURRECTION of Christ.

The great tribulation had to happen before Christ was RESURRECTED.

The great tribulation was from the time Christ entered the garden till he DIED on the cross.

The doctrines of men has polluted the words of God.

God Bless YOU!