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Verse 1 is admittedly a trickly passage the way it is written; sounding like the transgression of the wicked is speaking to a godly man (David) and stating that there is no fear of God before his eyes. Having seen commentaries on this subject not finding satisfactory cross references; it would seem it is stating that within my (David's) heart is testifying that the state of transgression of the wicked is due to their lack of fear of God. The next several verses talk about self gratiation (flattery-verse 2); verbal caustic language (v. 3); and plotting in his bed what he will do next (verse 4). There is a sober warning of those who become reprobate as verse 3 where apparently there was some wise or good standard for those individual(s) previously. Conversations and words seem to be a major red flag there.
Securing the mercy of God is largely indicated by the TRUST mentioned in verse 7. David asks for the "foot of pride" and "hand of the wicked" to "remove me". The concern probably is those who will cause us to find an excuse to fall away. The doom of the wicked once again is sealed in verse 12.
We do well to heed to the admonitions in James as to not letting there be a root of bitterness in us. (also see Hebrews 12:15). The love of money is the root of all evil ( 1 Tim. 6:10). We are wise to be cautious not to be ensnared by those things which plunge men into perdition which is in the verse immediately before ( 1 Tim. 6:9). We need to watch the tongue and control it as James admonishes as well ( James 3:1-12).
So there is a difference between "tongues" as a sign of Spirit baptism(and as a means of individual edifying) and "kinds of tongues" which is a spiritual gift for the profit of all. So the crucial question is. What about nowadays? My belief is that the Bible was directed by the Spirit to be written so that we are given examples what to do(and what not to do). If tongues do not exist any more, what was the purpose of the Spirit to write all those things? So how should our churches function now? Where are the directions/instructions for the church service?
I know that there are "churches" where "weird" things happen in the name of the Truth. But those bad examples do not cancel the Word of God, what is written is written and cannot be erased.
GBU
Are tongues a gift or are tongues a sign of the baptism of the Holly Spirit? Lets do a research.
Acts 2. The apostles and the rest who were gathered in the upper floor are baptized in the Spirit. How is that shown? By talking in tongues, There wasn't any other sign. If tongues is a gift then all 120 got the same gift?
Acts 9. Cornelious and his own were baptized in the Spirit (verses Acts 9:44-46), they started speaking in tongues.
Acts 8. Philipp goes to Samaria, people believe and get baptized in water. The apostles go there and lay hands on believers who get the HS. Simon offers money to aquire the same gift as the apostles. Question. How did Simon realize that believers got the HS? What did he see that made him understood that? What was the external sign of that? The Bible doesn't say, but I think it is obvious (the whole city got the same gift?)
Acts 18. Paul meets some disciples in Ephessus. After having a discussion with them, he baptizes them in water. Verse Acts 18:6. They started speaking in tongues and prophesying
Many times in Acts it says that the apostles were filled with the Spirit when talking/preaching to people. How did they know that they were filled with the Spirit? What made them realize that? Was there a sign?
In Cor 12:4:11 the spiritual gifts are described. It is true that one of them is "kinds of tongues". What are these? These are different kinds of tongues, it is not the same as the tongues given in Spirit baptism. Think of that, Verse 7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.". So gifts are given to "profit withal", that is for the profit of the church. But in 1 Cor 14 it says that if there is no interpreter then that believer should stop talking in tongues, let him talk to himself and God. Also he edifies himself. So what is the profit for the congregation? No profit at all for the congregation, only for the individual. So it is not a gift, it is the sign of bapt
I think we are gradually coming to a common ground
I didn't say that what they do in Ray's church is right. I said what they may do is encouraging people to ask for the Holly Spirit. Sometimes we may get a bit over enthusiastic with that and may do something that it is a bit more than just encouraging people, maybe push them asking for the Holly Spirit actually. This is obviously wrong, it is a mistake. But nobody can say that it is a demonic action. A demon pushing people to get the Holly Spirit? Does this make sence? Obviously not. We must be always very careful what we call demonic. Because if that is an action of the Holly Spirit then we are in danger of blaspheming the Spirit, which is an unforgivable sin
In your previous post you wrote 1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" My question to you is. Who does according to the Word of God, those who reject tongues or those who accept them? Those who do according to what is written or those who do their own? Those who say that tongues must still exist in the church or those who claim that those things were for past times? Who has departed from the gospel, what are the seducing spirits, which are the doctrines of devils? Maybe Paul himself who spoke in tongues more than anybody else in his time had devilish doctrines, maybe he had departed from the faith he preached, maybe he gave attention to seducing spirits? I think the answers to those is obvious. Besides that what Paul writes to Timothy is about other things. Verses 2-3 "Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath ..." He talks about eating and marrying
In 1 Corinthians 14 much of the function of the ancient church is described during the congregation. Which churches do like that? These are the right ones. My opinion.
Heavenly Father, we come to You today in the name of Jesus and ask that You protect Christine and these babies today. We ask that You cause Christine's blood pressure to come down to save levels and that the babies are unaffected by this problem. We ask that You allow the babies to continue to grow for a few more weeks until they are ready to be born. Amen.
Knows everything about me. I know I have an angel.
Please also take the time to thank God for everything He has done and continues to do, He is more than worthy.
Praying for you brothers and sisters in Christ
A eunuch is somebody who is unable to produce children. That is just a general definition without getting into it.
It says in Matthew 19:12, But there are some eunuchs, first of all, which were so born from their mother's womb. They were born with a physical defect and are not able to produce children.
And there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: That is, people take them and they castrate them, which is what they did for the guards that had to guard the harems for the various royalty and kings. They were castrated so that they would not have a desire for a woman.
And there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. That's personal. It's a calling, and it is self-discipline!
In first Corinthians Chapter 7, Paul answered the question, and this is the area of marriage and divorce, and remarriage for the Gentiles. But Paul says it is best if everybody is just a like I am.
Paul says that he is single, and it is best if you stay like I am. And if you have the grace to do it, stay single. That is 1 Corinthians 7:8.
But, he says in 1 Corinthians 7:9 that if you cannot contain yourself, and you are burning with passion, then it is better to get married.
Those are the three kinds of people. People born with the physical defect, people who have been castrated, or a personal calling that God is giving you the grace to be single, or God hasn't given you the grace to be single, and you are burning with passion. Then he says it is best to get married.
We find examples such as verse 11 discussing false witnesses; and verses 16 through 18 about "hypocritical mockers" and particularly verse 17 about rescuing the "darling" from the lions is definitely directed toward Christ at the crucifixion as seen in Psalm 22:20.
The "Aha, aha" theme is seen in Psalm 40 and 70; and also Ezekiel 36:2 in regard to the capture of the ancient heights from the north in the last days (likely the Golan Heights area).
Whether with an individual or the nation of Israel; God will bring victory for the remnant who are truly faithful according to His many promises. Going back to earlier in the Psalm in verses 5 to 6 we see how the angel of the Lord persecutes the wicked leading them to destruction. We see in 1 Chronicles 21 how an angel was sent to cause wholesale destruction. We do well to heed to the fact that God is in charge of all things; and in a sense creates good and evil for His purposes. Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6 discuss these things; calamity is under God's liimitations. Let us be under chastisement not judgment; and let us fall on the Rock rather than being crushed by it! ( Matt. 21:44).
A struggling mother
Natasha Boyd
Purely it is a gift from God right and he gives it to whoever right so you cant teach to anyone how to have a gift which only God give freely now lets us look at this event when the prophet prayed that his servants eyes my be open and there ware Gods angles and Saturn angles involved.
- 2 Kings 6:17-20
17 And Elisha prayed, "Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see." Then the Lord opened the servant's eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
(As only the servant of God was able to see but Prayed)
so lets look at
- 1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; , now as we can see The church leaders are
(However, the leadership seems to push "speaking in tongues" over the basics of Christianity) This is not what Jesus said, he said preach not enforce and as you have mention speaking in tongues is the gift which comes by the grace of God not by men telling you to speak or now is the time to speak.
This leadership is purely emphasizing their own lie which is not scriptural and the fact that is written in the latter days they will be such teaching which indicates they have departed from the faith or to put more basic they don't teach the word of God
Which we know faith camas by hearing and by hearing the word the word of God
(So they are giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils)
and lastly
Acts 2:4
4.The ware filled with the Holy Spirit and started speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gave them Utterance
note the Two Things here Filled and then they ware given utterance
as the writer has pointed out the church leaders are forcing this on people its not from God
so there are only two things either with God or Saturn
2 Kings 6:16
And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
we see the two kingdom brought out to the