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The Bible mentions physical distructions like earthquakes etc. I used to think like you, they were always occuring in the world. But in the last decade we live in a climate crisis and extreme phenomena are occuring more and more often. Even in my country where those things were foreign, we now see them happening more and more often and get more severe, things that only in TV we used to see them happening in other parts of the world. And things get worse and worse every year.

The Bible says about the mark of the beast. That if someone doesn't have it on them they can not buy or sell. Could that happen in the past? No, it couldn't. If you had money or gold in your hands nobody could hinder you from buying or selling anything. But in a cashless economy this can not be done, and this is where humanity is heading to. Money is going to be just a number on a bank account paper or on your mobile's screen and if you do not get the mark then you will not have access to your e-money.

The Bible says about the last Kingdom on earth that will conquer all the world. Question. Could that happen in the past when all those new technology distruction weapons had not existed yet? All past empires were local, in a corner of the world. With swords and rifles one can not conquer the whole world. But with satelites and missiles and what else has and will be invented one can do it.

In the past nobody could check where somebody else is. Now they can know where you are, what you read, what your interests/hobbies are, what your beliefs are, what you look like, what you eat, who your friends are, everything about you. And I am wondering about all those people that say that they will escape the system of antichrist, going to mountains and desserts. Really? Everything will be under antichrist's control at that time.

The day of Christ, the rapture of the saints is close. In Matthew 24:34 it says that all those things will occur before that generation passes away, our generation I believe.

I'm so happy to have found this Bible site!

I read daily where ever I may be there is God.

The Bible, The Word of GOD, is the

most Wonderful uplifting book ever written.

Please pray for me I feel something is wrong with me I don't know what up I really feel bad now and I'm fearful now too and prayers for the right healthcare for me too please pray and keep me in your prayers I really need them

Zechariah 14 : 9 , And the LORD shall be king over all the earth : in that day there shall be one LORD , and his name one .

Recently broke up with my fianc, Please pray that God would restore and reconcile our relationship and restore lines of communication between us. That our relationship would be fully redeemed! Humility, forgiveness, healing, peace, miracles.

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Hi Ray.

There are churches who believe that speaking in tonuges were only for the early period of the church and churches who believe that they are for all ages. The former ones are usually the ones that do not have them occuring in their function mainly the Catholics and Eastern Orthodox churches and many Protestant churches. The latter are called Charismatic or Pentecostal churches.

So I have a question and my question is. If the tongues were only for that early period like all those spiritual gifts described in 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 why were they included by the Holly Spirit in the Bible? What was God's purpose talking about things that will not occur during the vast majority of the existence of the church? Why didn't God give instructions for some other function of the church to follow later on? Why God keeps us busy reading about history things? Just for historical knowledge? No other purpose?

Is there a verse in the Bible that suggests that those things were for the past only? I cannot find any.

The verse you wrote about ( 1 Cor 13:8-10) is refering to a future time when we will be in Heaven. Then knowledge, prophesy, tongues will cease. There will be no reason for those then.

But now, 1 Corinthians 14:1-5

"Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying."

Please read those carefully. (Oh please God, don't waste my time with past things that do not occur now. Or they still occur now?)

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Should one pray loudly in tonques in church? 1 Corinthians 14:26-29

"How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

BUT IF THERE BE NO INTERPRETER, LET HIM KEEP SILENCE IN THE CHURCH; AND LET HIM SPEAK TO HIMSELF, AND TO GOD.

Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge."

Oh sorry those were for the past times too. So what is it for us now? How should our churches function now? Where are the directions for us now? Which scripture?

Dear Ray. the Holly Spirit is not like a magic stick that will transform a frog to a prince. God's Spirit does not violate our free will and our free choices. It is given to us by God as a spiritual weapon to help us in our fight against sin. But we have to want to fight against sin, If we don't then the Spirit can not do anything (without our permission) or does as much as we allow Him to do. So one may be baptized in the Spirit and their life are still a mess because they do not allow the Spirit changing them. So do not wonder if you see people like the ones you mentioned. They do exist in every church.

I don't think the leadership of your church push people speaking in tongues. They probably try to push or encourage people to ask for the baptism of the Holly Spirit which is shown externally by speaking in tongues.

GBU

Psalm 55 : 23 . I also believe that hell is the grave / pit / death / destruction etc . There are dozens upon dozens of references throughout the Bible that indicate this to be true . Honestly , it makes me sad , all these fables . However , God is extremely merciful . It distresses me that some of us are viewed as enemies because of what we believe . I'm a very tolerant person and certainly don't view anyone as my enemy just because they don't believe exactly the same things as I do . When Christ returns we shall all know all things and there won't be any division or need for disputes between any of us . We shall all see clearly and be one , all in all forever . Happy days to come .

Well said, S. Spencer. These "crafty" semantics, vague answers, and name changes are detectable to many here. Yet, the false beliefs that are espoused and expounded upon are so damaging. It is good that we call out a warning as well as exposing what is not in keeping with the Truth. Thank you.

I have a question about hearing voices when you read the bible. I suffer from a mental illness, Sqitzopherniam and I hear voices that sound like someone whispering in my ear, or sound more like the remnants of my thoughts. I have these when I am reading the Bible, or if I am praying. And when I hear them, they scare me because I don't know if they are from God or someone, something, or the enemy. But if i hear the enemy thoughts and I told the enemy to flea from me. Wouldn't that make the voices go away? Because it doesn't and I trying to be mediating with prayer and i am hearing this while i pray is concerning me. Please help

Hi Earl,

To clarify, you wrote "BUT his words are a parable, because he said they were a parable."

Do you believe all of Jesus's words are parables? If so, then when Jesus said He was speaking in parables that also would be a parable, right? It would seem strange to believe 99.9% of what Jesus says is a figurative parable, except only one verse or phrase where He says He's speaking in parables, correct? For example Mark 4:11 is literal?

To me its evident when Jesus or anyone else in the Bible is speaking literally, telling a story, using a figure of speech, metaphor, simile, just as its usually evident when conversing with anyone else in person.

"Dost thou believe on the Son of God?" John 9:35 KJV

Jesus said He's the Son of God, do you believe he was being literal or telling a parable when He said that?

"Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?" Luke 22:48 KJV

Another literal quote from Jesus which do you believe is literal that Judas did in fact betray Him with a kiss, or do you believe this is also a parable?

Do you believe Jesus is Lord as it says in Colossians 2:6-9 and the Mighty God as it says in Isaiah 9:6?

God bless

Jude 1:1-51.

Something to watch for is Jude 1:4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

This was going on in Jude's day and have certainly excelled in our day. " For there are certain men crept in unawares".

How do they creep in? craftiness? PERHAPS MULTIPLE NAME CHANGES. What is their purpose? Hender the spiritual growth of the believer by their false doctrine?

They seem to agree with you on topics such as the trinity and other topics "even though they give an unorthodox description of it once examined closely".

They come in all shapes form and fashions.

Let's deal with those who Spiritualizes ALL the scripture and in doing so these particular views devalue the blood shed on the cross and the love God displayed in offering his beloved son. ( John 3:16.)

Also, John 15:13. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

This means nothing if there are no consequences to "NOT' receiving Christ, if there is no hell and everyone goes to heaven no matter what you have done in this lifetime! "This is according to their doctrine"

HOW IS THE LOVE OF GOD DISPLAYED ON THE CROSS IF IT WAS UNNECESSARY? Judas, Hitler, Putin, Murderers, Thieves, etc., etc. gets in Heaven anyway!

This particular person also holds the view that we all become as Gods with their incorrect spiritualizing of the text.

WHY IS THIS MESSAGE SO IMPORTANT TO THEM IF THERE IS NO HELL AND THE CROSS DOSENT MATTER?

WHY EVEN BOTHER?

WHERE IS THE VALUE IN FAITH, LOVE, ECT. WORKS, BELIEVING, OBEYING, IN THIS DOCTRINE?

WHATS THE POINT IN SHARING SCRIPTURE?

It's also interesting to see some support a view without understanding it or holding the same viewpoints. The only thing they have in common is multiple name changes.

GB

Hi Earl,

While you didn't directly address the questions, your chosen response indicates you might believe the New Testament isn't literal and are just parables to you, is that correct? You quoted the old testament suggesting that you might think that's literal, however. Do you mind sharing how you came to this belief?

For the benefit of anyone else reading this there are plenty of verses in the Bible about the literal hell:

Luke 12:5 - But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Matthew 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 - Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Matthew 13:50 - And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mark 9:43-48 - And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

etc

Do you believe Jesus literally is Lord and literally died on the cross for you?

Hello Free,

I was thinking of you last evening as you haven't commented much lately. I always enjoy reading your posts. I hope you are doing well in your part of this world. Keeping you in my prayers.

Baker:

You see because Christ caused you to see, Thank Him.

God Bless You!

Pray for me to persevere through my tribulations

one of my Favs in the Bible

Jude 1:1-51.

We often have the discussion on Apostacy. I would like to talk a little about signs of an Apostate and perhaps his or her purpose.

When we are discussing this topic with perhaps one of them, we are often hering them say, "A turning away from (THE) truth" with "The Truth" being heavily emphasized.

As if they have something you can't get out of the Lord's word.

LET US PAUSE HERE FOR A MOMENT.

Isn't the truth God's word?!

Here you have a sign of a deceiver when they draw you away from the word of God and in doing so, they turn you away from God's word in the flesh!

They lure men and women after them by giving them the word out of the very scripture that they attempt to turn them away from.

Here's how this is done.

They spiritualize ALL the text!! And only they have the keys.

What does this say about the work of the Holy spirit?

More on this later.

GOD BLESS.

Greetings! I attend a church that I love - the leadership, the goals, and objectives - and I "feel" like I'm on solid ground in general.

However, the leadership seems to push "speaking in tongues" over the basics of Christianity (e.g., Jesus says the greatest among you will be your servant and our Father in the faith Paul teaches that prophecies will fail, tongues cease, and knowledge will pass away.) Of course, what I'm referring to isn't really "speaking in tongues." It's a private prayer language that is spewed publicly and privately and is regarded as acceptable regardless of occasion and venue.

What the leadership refers to as "prayer language," serves zero purpose other than a measuring stick for the leadership to separate "the men from the boys" as far who is baptized by the Holy Spirit. So technically, they are not "speaking in tongues." In fact, it reminds me more of the scenario outlined in the story about the Tower of Babel.

In addition, a goodly sum of the people who use this prayer language and are allegedly baptized by the Holy Spirit have anger issues, they are covenant breakers, and they exhibit issues relating to self control - and the list goes on. So even if what that they are experiencing is "the real deal," a significant number of this "true blue elect" are ostensibly lack luster. The Pastor has even cited a friend who "was baptized in the Holy Spirit," spoke in the prayer language, and yet continued on in a struggle with violent behavior.

I'm the worship leader in the church. I do not speak the Tower of Babel prayer language, and while I don't own it, I could easily be made to feel like a substandard, 2nd class Christian. My goal is not to focus on anyone's shortcomings as we must all love each other; however, I feel like there is a HUGE inconsistency in what I know for a fact that the Holy Spirit accomplishes vs. the fruit (or lack thereof) that is regularly exhibited by these spiritual he-men who possess this prayer language.

I just realized something . This is the clearest "before and after" the scripture gets for me , on us gathering back to Christ and who comes when. When I read 2 Thess 2:1,2,3,4 again it shows me the antichrist comes before our gathering back unto Jesus, sits on the throne and claims to be God, Jesus . That's how the falling away happens first before our gathering back, many change their religion in an instant. Wow

Thanks Earl, I never broke this chapter down in such a way

Please pray for peace, me//family members//our relationships and united fellowship.

The fight is unbelievable hard. There are many things I don't understand - unanswered questions.

It feels like I have poured it all out for nothing. Like I'm loosing everything.

But deep inside I know it can't be true, it's NOT how God is or how He works.

It's just many emotions and thoughts that runs through me. And at this point I'm exhausted after standing in a long battle.

If you pray, I'm grateful.

God bless you in Christ Jesus, amen.

please remember me and my family in your prayers

Dear L.A, From what I could find, depending on the seriousness of your disability, it can take one month to two years. It may have always been that way, but it took them almost a year to approve me, but that was a very long time ago.

Dear Lord, please break something loose so that L.A will be approved sooner and in the meantime receive financial help from you. In Jesus's Name, Amen.

Hello . I hope it's ok for me to join in . There are very many references in the Bible , to the effect that the wicked are destroyed / perished etc . This seems to fit with the wages of sin being death and the gift of God being everlasting life through Christ our willing sacrifice for our sins . God pronounced the sentence of death / destruction , on humans because we sin , but because He does love us , He has given us means to continue living , with Him , forever in His Kingdom , through our Passover Lamb Jesus Christ the Righteous . These are my beliefs . I can give you lots of references to the destruction of sinners if you are interested but I'm guessing that you have read the Bible so I won't be telling you anything that you don't already know . I hope you don't mind me butting in and you don't have to answer me .

It seems to me , as I have spoken to many brothers and sisters , throughout my life , who were very much older than me , that every Christian has believed that they were living in the last days . Thirty years ago and elderly brother told me all the things that were going on in the world , when he was a young man , that made Christians at that time think that they were living in the last days . Wars and rumours of wars ? When has that ever not been the case ? I think that the day of Christ's return is as close to all of us as the day of our death . I believe that we die and then sleep in the grave until Christ wakes us up to be with him . So , after we die the next thing that we will be aware of is our Saviour , calling us to himself . Of course , there will be many people alive , Christians and non , when Christ returns , it would be nice to be one of them but it doesn't matter too much to me either way . I just want to be with him in God's Kingdom forever .

Dear God Father in heaven. You who have created heaven and earth. Also the perfect human being You have created for that is Your image God.

We thank You for Jesus Christ, who is our Savior and anchor of life. He who promised us the Holy Ghost by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ. Thank you for now looking to Aba so that the growth from You Lord comes to the realization of truth by Your holy name Jesus.

Please pray and read the bible KJV every day. And the Holy Spirit will come to u. Love u in Christ.

2 Corintihans 3:2-18

Hi Earl,

I'm sure you are 100% confident of your beliefs. I'm sure you know that most Christians believe in hell because hell is mentioned in the Bible. I'm sure you've already heard the Bible verses and interpretations of those, so I will keep my comment short. Because you are commenting on a public forum its assumed that you are willing to receive a reply from the public.

I'm curious about the belief of not believing in hell or how someone can read the same Bible and reach that conclusion. If this were true that no one goes there then why would hell exist in the first place, why did Jesus warn us about it like Mark 9:43-48, and what then would the purpose be for becoming a Christian or spreading the gospel?

If everyone is saved regardless of our beliefs or actions, then despite Hebrews 10:26-31 do you think God would be ok with everyone to go out tonight to induldge in the evils of this world and intentionally commit every kind of sin against God imagineable?

Thank you for sharing your beliefs...

This is the day that the Lord has made I shall rejoice and be glad in it. Always giving thanks to my prayer warriors thank you. I stand in a financial blessing I had a heart transplant six months ago so for now I need to be on disability they have yet to make a decision yet on my disability. One day I will be strong enough to return to work but I'm not there yet so I need a financial blessing rain down on me.i would love to go back to work but I don't wanna have any set backs if I go back to soon. Lord make away open up the windows of heaven and pour me out a blessing in Jesus name I pray.Amen

Please pray for me and my boyfriend. To give insight, we have been dating for 6 months and love each other very much. But he has been through a lot emotionally and has been through a lot of trauma in his life, so he has emotional walls built up that go up and down, though they are getting better. And he admits it himself and is trying hard. Please pray for his emotional walls to come down more.

HI Ducan.

I agree the apostacy has already started.

However when Christ comes the second time he will come in judgement, He didn't come as the Holyghost as some suggest.

Matthew 24:15. hasn't happened yet.

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Neither has Matthew 24:27-31.

For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. "The elect here I believe is Israel" Isaiah 45:4. Isaiah 11:12. Jeremiah 23:3. Psalms 107:2-3.

The Holyspirit was always in the world, but believers weren't baptized by the spirit until AFTER Christ was risen from the dead.

But the second coming of Christ reads like this.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Matthew 24:36-44.

There is some amongst us who believes there is no Hell and we all will be saved and become Gods!!

This is the climax of their theology.

GB.