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Dear Csmith, I will pray for Kaya.

Dear Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus we speak deliverance for Kaya from this worldly viewpoint and show her in Your word where You say that only heterosexual relations in marriage are morally good, that You have created only two genders, and that You do not make any errors in choosing which gender each of us are according to the DNA You selected for each of us. Kaya is being seduced by the radicals who oppose You and Your ways, as You well know. She needs Your help in returning to a right mind on these matters and also in coming to You in faith that does not fail her. Rescue her from the draw of the world and the evil mindset that is getting so much approval in our communities and nations at this time. Please put down these evil forces that deceive, seduce, confuse, and foment rebellion in the hearts and minds and souls of most of those in our world so that many more people will turn to You when You call to their hearts. Lord God, if only the world would know how much You love the world, so much so that You gave Jesus to the world to be our perfect Saviour, sacrifice, Lord, Priest, and King. Send forth You redeeming goodness into our world to destroy the works of the principalities, powers, rulers, thrones, dominions, and all malevolent beings that wish to bring ruin to whomever will give in to them. Your Son has conquered all of these and has all power and authority over them. Have mercy, Lord, on our world, and especially on Kaya. Amen.

Dear Nomatter,

I am happy to pray for you tonight.

Dear Heavenly Father, You are great and mighty and able to save and uphold the faith of all who call upon You. We ask of You in the name of Jesus that You increase the faith that was implanted in Nomatter when converted and that You will strengthen this faith, causing Nomatter to be steadfast in faith in and love of You and Your Son, Jesus. We ask that You answer all of NO matter's doubts and raise up this child of God in spirit to a joyful state of mind. We ask that You keep Nomatter from falling away from You. Hold this child of God securely in Your hand, refusing to let anyone snatch Nomatter from Your loving claim and embrace. Lift up this one who falters in faith, who needs to be renewed and infused with the grace that comes from Your Holy Spirit. Remind Nomatter of his sonship in You through Christ Jesus, that You are a loving Father, and that You attend to the needs of Your children mightily. Amen.

Nomatter, glad to have you here with us. Let us know how you are doing soon.

Dear Greimuth,

I read your prayer request the day you posted it. Today I will pray for you.

Dear Heavenly Father, we bring before You today the needs of Greimuth in the name of Jesus. We ask that You will enable him to breathe better, make his lungs clearer and have the staff in his retirement home attend to him with compassion, joy, and kindness. May these who tend to Greimuth keep him well-cared for and alert to his needs. We are thankful that he served in the military for two decades and remained safe during his time of service. Thank You, Father, for keeping him. We ask that You will help Greimuth learn from You as he reads the Scriptures and give ear to all of his prayers. Amen.

As a genetic people, the descendants of Esau are lost to history.

Their DNA lives on in some sense, but they are so intermixed with other peoples that there is no definable group of Edomites today.

When Isaiah or other prophets mention Edom in connection with future judgment such as in Isaiah 34 or 63), they are mentioned because they represent the nations that hate Israel and Israel's God, it's sort of a back hand.

They were wiped out as a people.

See Obadiah 1:8-18.

Hopefully this helps.

God bless.

Hi.

Amos 9:8-9.

Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.

For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

( They have been scattered amongst all the nations.

In the latter days God will raise up the tabernacle of David and gather them from all nations.)

AMOS 9:11.

In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

AMOS 9:14-15.

And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

James quotes this in Acts 15:15-16.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Dear Jema,

Thank you so much for replying to me and "clearing the air" so I can understand you better.

There are some here like you, who do not wish to enter into rigorous discussions, and there are some, like me, who do, not for the cause of being argumentative or to debate, but to engage in deep thoughts on topics that come up. Both approaches are fine and worthy of this forum. I, like you, love to give helpful answers to peoples' questions, to pray for those who request prayer (so glad for your good report from your doctor!) and for those who do not ask but I feel led to pray for, and hear and speak to lift people up. So, I think we have a lot in common, and we have some differences in personality, too, which is so normal. I always appreciate your postings and am glad that you, like me, have had a long time with the Lord and His words in Scripture.

Jema, I really do appreciate your response. Going forward will be much more comfortable for both of us!

The Word of God.

We read in (Hebrews, 4:12) "For the word of God is "quick" and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart".

The word "quick" is #2198; it means to live, (a-) live.

The Word of God is Alive!

Do we have the Word of God that's Alive today? If its only the original autographs then how could God use those to judge us?

How could we be judged (righteously) with what we have no way of reading, or studying? ( 2 Tim. 2:15) We are told to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth". How do we study the original autographs? The word of truth is the KJB!

If we read ( Jn. 12:47-50) In v48 Jesus said "the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day".

If we are judged in the last day by the words that Jesus spoke do you think God would provide those words for us in a (perfect) translation? I think so too!

That means those words would have to be in a book, or in a Bible today. Right?

If we read ( Rev. 22:18-19) v18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy ((OF THIS BOOK)) If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written ((IN THIS BOOK)).

v19 "And if any man shall take away from the words ((OF (THE BOOK) OF THIS PROPHECY)) God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written ((IN THIS BOOK)).

God cannot lie!

Changing the words? ( Jer. 23:36) "for ye have "perverted" the words of the living God" "perverted" #2015; it means to change.

( Ps. 12:6-7) Is God's promise to preserve His Words for all generations, FOR EVER.

If God preserved His Word for this generation through the translation of the KJB then where are we told how He did that in the Bible?

( 2 Pet. 1:19-21)

Truth matters!

GiGi,

Thank you for responding. And I do want to speak as directly as I possibly can to this question.

Other than perhaps the nature of salvation itself, there is no more important doctrine in my view than the nature of the Bible, the Word of God.

I'm not interested in getting into a discussion about the mechanics of how God used the human authors to write the Bible. Whether he dictated it to them or so work in their minds so that they actually wrote exactly the words that God wanted them to write, down to the very word itself.

But I believe, with every fiber of my being, is that in the original autographs, every single word in the Bible, is God's word. It is exactly the word God chose to use.

And God Himself is the only one that can actually open our understanding of the Bible as we apply the principles God declares in the Bible that we are to use in interpreting His Word.

And I believe that any other view of what the Bible is, would be a faulty view.

And, quite frankly, that is one of the primary Snares that virtually every church has fallen into, to one degree or another, and may be the primary reason God's judgment is upon the churches in our day.

I understand that is a difficult statement to accept for those that are in the churches today. And that is very sad Situation. But as are all things, this too is totally under God's control.

But if you go into any church today and compare it to what was being preached and taught and practiced within that church relative to 50 to 75 years ago, you might hardly recognize it, I am sorry to say.

Gigi , thanks for your post to me . I don't really enjoy getting into big debates with others on here , not specifically you :) . I usually just like to try and answer questions as best as I can , so I'm not ignoring you or anyone I promise . It's just that I mostly prefer to keep out of debates and just want to try help anyone who has a Biblical question , so no hard feelings towards you or anyone on here . If I'm interested in what someone has to say then I might reply to them to let them know I enjoyed or agreed with their post . My silence to you or anyone just means that I have nothing to add to your / their post that's all :) . I only have a small amount of time to spend on here so I have to prioritise , would like to thank everyone for their prayers , found out today that I don't have skin cancer :) .

David,

I am so glad you explained you belief to Chris here. That explains your statement Adam and I were seeking clarification from you. How you explained it here to Chris is clear to me now. I wish you would have said it this way to us when we asked for clarification, but I will accept that you clarified it to Chris instead of directly to Adam and to me.

So, in light of this explanation to Chris, I would say that we are in agreement that the words in Scripture are the words God willed to be written.

Thank you for explaining this to Chris so Adam and I can know your belief aligns with what we believe, too. Thank you for this communication to Chris.

Hi Adam , you said in your reply to me :

What David posted was

The Bible alone and in its entirety is the very word of God Himself .

My reply to you is , do you not believe that the Bible is entirely

the Word of God ?

Then you said to me :

This seems very close to

The Bible alone and in its entirety is ( God Himself ) .

My answer to you is no , it does not seem very close to that or anything else . It may seem very close to that in your mind but that's the only place that it seems very close to that .

I'm guessing everyone else who read that statement took it for what it was and didn't read anything else into it .

None of us can possibly be responsible , when we post something , for what someone else might think that it's seems very close to in their mind .

What David said and what you think it seems very close to , are two very different things . I'm not sure why you can't see that .

Hello Jema,

I hope you don't mind if I respond to you. I do not think that Adam nor myself were twisting what David had posted. We were seeking clarity and for David to correct our misunderstanding of his statement.

I understand what you said about feeling that some people on here are not safe to interact with. Perhaps you feel that way about me or about Adam. I hope not, but if so, I ask that you give us grace and hopefully we can work together to improve our mutual regard for one another. I certainly never intend to misrepresent anyone on here, but may misunderstand what others present.

I do notice that you rarely respond to me, so I thought that I may be one of those you don't feel is safe to interact with. If so, I am sorry for that. I respect you and your ideas, just like I do for anyone else. Yet, there are times where we all feel the need to bring forward how we disagree with another's posting and speak what we believe to be true. And sometimes we do need to address obviously false beliefs. I don't think that David falls in this category often, so I did want to explore his thinking on this topic with him in hopes of gaining a better understanding of what he really wished to convey.

Jema, I would love to hear from you, but understand if you wish to refrain. Let's work towards peace and unity.

OK David,

I do wish you had spoken to my request of which of the two beliefs I asked you about. But I take it from you directing me back to the Scriptures that you believe that the Scriptures in their original autographs are strictly God's words, not those of men.

So, then, if this is true of your belief, then I gather that you believe that God dictated the words to the men to be written. Is this true?

2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old times by the will of man; but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."

2 Timothy3:16 "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

I believe what these verses declare, as I perceive that you do, too. I think there are two different stances on this topic. These are: whether God dictated His words in and through the Scripture writers or whether God guided these men through the Holy Spirit to write only what is true and sound words that accurately reflect what God wished to communicate to humanity through the writings of these men.

David, if you wish to respond back to this post, I would be happy for it. If you wish to let it lie, then that is fine, too.

Adam

Again, If you go back and read all of the comments that I posted in the conversation with Gigi, you will hopefully understand what I meant regarding your questions.

You are not correct when you say that I do not believe that the Bible is the Word of God. I believe that every single word in the Bible, in the original autographs, are God's words. They are exactly the words that God chose to use. I don't know how to be any more clear than that.

Adam,

If you are really interested in understanding what I was attempting to communicate, you would do well to read all of the comments that I posted in the discussion with Gigi. Rather than singling out and apparently misunderstanding, one specific statement, which I Believe is absolutely true.

David, can you also explain what you mean by your direct quote here?

David092: "But we cannot separate the worship of God from the Word of God."

The Bible is the Word of God, so this reads like: 'we cannot separate the worship of God from the [Bible]".

We now understand you don't consider the "Word of God" to mean the Bible, so what do you mean by this and what are scripture sources?

Hi Jema,

What David posted was:

"The Bible alone and in its entirety IS THE VERY WORD OF GOD HIMSELF"

This seems very close to:

"The Bible alone and in its entirety IS [GOD HIMSELF]"

So we asked him about it, but I felt pretty sure that's what he meant so I brought up many questions. I'm actually relieved he says he apparently doesn't believe that, but I still don't know what he believes nor do I understand any motives behind it.

If you were accusing some of us of "twisting" words just look at his words above as this is a valid question of someone posting such things on this website. I hope 2 Timothy 4:3-4 does not apply in this case, but we should be on guard against such teachings and defend the truth.

I agree Jema.

The "Sword" is often used by God as a figure of His Word. The Word of God is a two edged sword. It cuts both ways. It is the savor of life unto life and death unto death.

It is a beautiful example of how God speaks in Parables and "without a parable spoke He not".

Thank you Jema,

And I do try not take it personally when someone disagrees with me, regardless of how it is done.

The only thing that really matters is "what does the Bible, the Whole Bible, say" about any topic we may be discussing regarding God and His Word.

Good morning Chris.

I appreciate your chiming in on this subject and yes we have gone down this road in some of our past discussions regarding Biblical Hermeneutics and the nature of the Bible.

I fully acknowledge that when we attempt to articulate our understanding of any Biblical truth in our own words there exists the possibility of misunderstanding by the reader what we are trying to communicate. And perhaps that is the case here.

I certainly was not saying that "the Bible IS God, Himself". And if anyone believes that I was, they have misunderstood my meaning.

I am saying, as I have said many times was before, that every word, every verse, every passage, every chapter, every book, i.e. the entire Bible, is from the Mouth of God Himself in the original autographs, without getting into the mechanics of how God worked this out. And that the Bible does not merely "contain" God's Word in the words of its human writers.

As far as Bible translations, I'm convinced that the KJV is the most faithful word for word translation available in the English language. And, while not 100% error free, those instances are so few and far between that we can have confidence that we are reading the Words of God Himself. And God has also given us the tools to check out the KJV translation. This however was not the focus of my discussion with GiGi.

So I maintain that The Bible Alone and in its Entirety is the Word of God. And is the Ultimate Authority for doctrine and practice in our life.

Wow thank you.! Yes, I have dreams, that come true. What a blessing it has been as Im sure yur wife is as thankful. It helps to be persistant in spreading His word Tho at times I speak more from exsperience then from His word, I definitly mean well. Yet, for my own visions, Im not always sure who & never prepared for when it is put into motion. It took me years to understand judging & still learning so thank so much for yur help along w/the others. As humans we all do in some form or nother & thats why it is SO important for us to know & understand the true meaning of Christ DBR so we eventually, prayerfully, learn to let go & let God.! Nothing we can do about any happenings (even w/visions) for what is His will can not be changed by a human fretting for even a second. Lately, its a quick thought then my repenting starts. If she has tips on how to channel visions I'd be very interested to hear. As Im sure many ppl would. It could be her calling. Thanks to you both, blessings.!

It is a tactic used by some on here regularly . Take your own words , twist them around and throw them in your face . Try not to take it to heart and don't be soon shaken :) . We on here have seen it before many times , you will learn who it is safe to engage with and who it is that you are better off staying away from . May God bless you and us , with your continued presence on here .

Please remember me and my family today in your prayers

Monet333 God has touched your heart , never forget how that made you feel , remember it forever , the memory of it will bless you through out your life . We can easily get caught up in this world and forget even the awesome things that have affected us . Remember His connection to you today , you felt Him today didn't you ? I pray that you will always keep your heart open to recieve His message of love for you . He will never leave you .

With regards to the Word of God , I have always believed that the Word of God is also signified by the sword . It's an interesting study if you fancy it , that sharp two edged sword that will judge the nation's , the sword of the Lord and of Gideon , if you have a concordance you might want to look at the occasion's when the sword is mentioned , especially in Revelation and Ezekiel . Don't forget that sword that was placed at the gate of Eden . I believe that the Word is symbolised more than one thing , the obvious one being the Word made flesh which is of course Christ , I also believe that the sword often represents the Word of the Lord . Can anyone think of anything else in the Bible that might signify the Word of God ?

Hi David0921. I can see where that statement from you ("the Bible is the very WORD OF GOD HIMSELF") can be misleading. Some could read it as 'the Bible, which is truly God's Word, is God'. I read (by paraphrasing), ' the Bible is truly God's Word, spoken/authored by Him and given to us by Him (or Himself)'.

Maybe your strict emphasis on the words within the KJV being wholly God's Word (the exact Words spoken by God) rather than just a very good translation work into English, may color folks' understanding of your statement. We've discussed this aspect with the KJV before, & we find that our differences lie there, but to state that from our discussions & your other input, I believe that I've understood your statement in question, as you've intended.

n angel visits the priest Zacharias in a temple. Zacharias is married to an infertile woman named Elizabeth. The angel proclaims that Zacharias and his wife will bear a child who they shall name John. Zacharias explains to the angel that he is an elderly man. In response the angel simply says Zacharias will be unable to speak prior to the birth of his son.

Gabriel, yet another angel, appears to Mary who is wed to Joseph. Mary is told she too will bear a son who shall be called Jesus. This child will also become known as "The Son of the Highest". Mary decides to visit Elizabeth and when she does the unborn John moves within his mother's womb. Gabriel assures Mary that the Holy Spirit will pay her a visit. Mary sings great praises of the Lord.

Zacharias and Elizabeth are urged by many to name their new son after his father. They follow through with the original declaration and call him John. As promised, Zacharias is once again able to speak. In doing so he predicts that his son will bear the title of "The Prophet of the Highest."

Thank you Mr. Spencer for those verses.

I believe those verses and others that I quoted in the totality of my discussion with GiGi on this subject are consistent with and support what I have said about the Bible, the WORD of God and its relationship to our worship of the LORD Jesus Christ, eternal God Himself.

Thank you very much Chris.

GiGi,

I think I explained exactly what I meant in my response to you and Adam. And if you go back and read the entirety of my comments to you in our discussion, I quoted numerous verses that I believe support exactly what I said and what I meant.

I am disappointed in your characterization of what I said. But I stand by what I said.

And like you suggested, I am now going to leave it there.

May God richly bless you.