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My five year old great niece needs to be put to sleep in order for five or six of her little teeth removed. We are asking for prayers that the demist has blessed hands. We are asking that Ava recovers with no complications. Thank you!

The Disciples of Jesus usually saw the same event, heard the same words, but wrote it differently. We're human. Sometimes those passages were written a year or so after it was experienced.

That's why the Gospels are called the HARMONY of the GOSPELS. Just because they are not word for word, identical, doesn't mean the Disciples were wrong or not there. After Jesus rose to Heaven, the Disciples immediately began to evangelize. They kept notes on scrolls.

That will make an excellent study for you to search out and share with us here. Check Hebrews 11 too.

Revelation 6:5-8 The famine; pestilence; and Death and Hell.

The concept of judgment with the sword; famine and pestilence is clear from Jeremiah 14:12; 27:13 and 42:17; Ezekiel 5:12; 7:15 and 14:21. There are two of these three judgments together in portions of Leviticus and Deuteronomy and certainly other places as well. What is unique here is the pale horse signifying death and the "beasts of the earth". This has been defined as a possible veiled reference to viruses or bacteria; or perhaps literally animals attacking people. What we see in this pale green horse is the power behind all this; men being accelerated to hell (as Isaiah 5:14 states hell has enlarged herself). Matthew 24 also discusses wars and famines and verse 9 gets into the 5th seal of persecution of saints.

In looking at the Restrainer ( 2 Thess. 2:6-7) we also can look at the fact that once removed; not only will wickedness spread at accelerated pace; but also judgments and the rate the lost are being sent to hell. Perhaps the Tribulation believers will be pretty much exempt from these plagues as it seems martyrdom is the most common form of death. There is no specific mention until the trumpet judgments of the 144,000 and possibly others being protected from certain judgments. These verses seem to show by and large lost people are judged this way even BEFORE the mark of the beast is instituted. It is God who ultimately determines the course of pestilence as well as war; and clearly no efforts of man will curb this judgment. Obviously; starvation will not only come from the wars; but by the droughts and other natural disasters unleashed; again mentioned as a particular signs and wonders action the 2 Prophets engage in as "often as they will." ( Rev. 11:6). Again; there appears to be some lag time for these prophets to appear; and perhaps end their ministry just after the midpoint of the 7 years. It is unclear if a delay occurs between the Rapture and first seal as well.

In Ancient Genealogy, females were not always recorded;

Unless, their life had some bearing on the bloodline of Jesus Christ, or of His Life.

Genealogy studies are often very interesting. Sometimes I look at the Genealogical Charts on Google. Sometimes people reused names because of various reasons. It pays to take a look at it sometimes. Jesus had half siblings_through his mother.

Noreen,

Lording or ruling over God's flock, making themselves the head of the church in which Christ is the head. Those are the deeds God says He hates.

Jesus Christ is the head of the church and no man or men can ever take His place. That's what they were doing, and the Lord says He hates that!

Benson Commentary

1 Kings 6:7. The house - was built of stone made ready - Hewed and squared, and so fitted for their several uses and places, according to the direction of the architect, that they might be joined together without any other labour than the putting them one by or upon another. So that there was neither hammer nor axe. The stones were laid without any noise, there being nothing to be done but to join them together. Thus it was ordered, partly for the ease and convenience of carriage; partly for the magnificence of the work, and commendation of the workmen's skill and diligence; and partly for mystical signification. And as this temple was a manifest type, both of Christ's church upon earth, and of the heavenly Jerusalem; so this circumstance signified, as to the former, that it is the duty of the builders and members of the church, as far as in them lies, to take care that all things be transacted there with perfect peace and quietness; and that no noise of contention, or division, or violence, be heard in that sacred building; and for the latter, that no spiritual stone, no person, shall bear a part in that heavenly temple, unless he be first hewed, and squared, and made meet for it in this life.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

6:1-10 The temple is called the house of the Lord, because it was directed and modelled by him, and was to be employed in his service. This gave it the beauty of holiness, that it was the house of the Lord, which was far beyond all other beauties. It was to be the temple of the God of peace, therefore no iron tool must be heard; quietness and silence suit and help religious exercises. God's work should be done with much care and little noise. Clamour and violence often hinder, but never further the work of God. Thus the kingdom of God in the heart of man grows up in silence, Mt 5:27.

Work done by the Holy Spirit

Hello Richard

I don't argue that the 24 elders are represantatives of both OT and NT time

a. May Daniel 12:1 refer only to the living Jews at that time and not the ones that died before Christ(?)

B The original text doesn't make things clearer that the English text

c. I agree with you that those with the white garments are lukerwarm christians that didn't make it in the rapture (the 5 unwise virgins), but not only these, they are also people that listened to the angel's preaching and didn't accept the mark of the beast and were consequently slaughtered. Yes, rapture is a reward, so lukermarm christians will have a second chance to make it into eternal life, but it would be extremely hard to withstand the great tribulation. Often a thing is ignored. If the belief that the Holly Spirit is who restrains the antichrist is right, and the HS goes together with the church in Heaven, that means that the gospel as we know it now will not be valid. There will not be any more new birth, nor Baptism in the Spirit, nor sanctification by the Spirit, nor any kind of help from God, a whole new situation for those who stay behind. Salvation will now be aquired by choosing sides, together or against the antichrist, accepting or not accepting the mark. So, can we claim that salvation can be lost, since many that will be left behind will eventually accept the mark?

d. 1 Cor 3:15 about those escaping destruction as through fire is something to be considered before the rapture. The reward will now be rule over nations during the millenium. As it is obvious that since the Spirit goes up, obedience to God's Laws is almost impossible, one escaping from his passions, sinful conditions, will be almost impossible too. Serving God will be also impossible, anything that we consider that increases our wage in Heaven now will be removed. So martyrdom is now the only way to get a reward.

e. Can Hebrews 9:27 be appilied to people like Lazarus who was resurrected by Jesus?. He eventually died twice.

Thank You Lord Jesus for all those precious souls You have saved this day.

By Your grace. For Your glory. And help all Your children to be patient and

to redeem the time. Alleluia.

Hello Sobha. In this chapter on the building of the Temple, verse seven tells us that the stones required for this building was cut & shaped outside of this building's precincts. This was so because there was to be no use of such tools in this construction that would cause excessive noise & clamour in this holy place.

We remember a similar injunction given to Moses ( Exodus 20:24,25) to construct an altar for burnt offerings, with natural un-shaped stones & not to use any tool to shape it. So it seems that it was not only the unnecessary noise that would result from using tools, but also (in the Solomon's Temple's matter), that man's skills for stone preparation were to be utilized away from the building site; and that once at the site, the workers had to do their work carefully & mindfully, knowing that this was to be the House of the LORD according to the LORD's design which was to be followed to the minutest detail.

Eric you might find your answer to that question in Romans ch 14 , the whole chapter but particularly the last verse .

Amen Brother Luke:

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day (the day of the Lord: CHRIST IN YOU) on the mount of Olives, which is before (NEW) Jerusalem (Christ in you, the city made of LIVING stones), and the mount of Olives (which is the new Jerusalem) shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west (symbolic); and there shall be a very great valley (symbolic),and half of the mountain (symbolic) shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

This Mountain (symbolic of the people that make up this mountain); half represents the mount of Jacob and half the mount of Esau.

Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a FIRE (our God is a consuming FIRE: YOU WILL BE: the image of Christ) and the house of Joseph a Flame ( Luke 16:24), and the house of Esau for stubble; and they SHALL KINDLE IN THEM (as Christ did in you), and devour them, and there shall not be remaining any of the house of ESAU ( Zechariah 14:21); for the Lord hath spoken it.

Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (Christ and those called to be HIS IMAGE) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau; and the kingdom SHALL BE the LORD'S.



The called out; I AM the resurrection, will judge the whole world, the mount of Esau, after the resurrection of the dead.

Isaiah 26:9 ...for when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Hebrews 11:20 By faith Issac blessed Jacob and Esau CONCERNING THINGS TO COME.

Genesis 27:40 And by thy (Esau's) sword (not God's sword; the word) shalt thy live (and DIE, and at the resurrection of the dead thou shall ) SERVE THY BROTHER; and it shall COME TO PASS (when God's words shall be fulfilled) that thou (also) SHALT HAVE the dominion (the kingdom of God, Christ in you), that thou (through judgement) shall BREAK HIS YOKE from off your neck.

Psalms 22:All the ends of the earth shall REMEMBER ( Luke 16:25 ...Remember) and turn unto the LORD: (when his judgements are in the earth)

We can't know for sure why she looked back , maybe just nosey to see what was going to happen ? There are some people who if they see an accident , have to stop and have a good look at it . I think she is a metaphor for us , once we have been saved out of our old sinful ways we shouldn't ever look back , the past and our sinful part in it is now gone and we should just look forward to who we want to be and where we want to be in our new futures in Christ .

Dear sir/madam,

I'm in a dilemma as to what happens to one's soul after death?

Thank you

I think it just means that all the wood and stone used in the building was already cut to the correct size and shape before it got to the building site . Therefore there wasn't any noise of cutting or hammering heard at the site .

Nelson , if you read the Old Testament you will see that you are not alone in sinning . Christians are still humans and therefore weak . The Psalms are always good to read , David commited some quite serious sins and his spiritual journey is told in his Psalms . 1st Samuel Chapter 12 verses 6-22 is helpful also , especially verses 19-22. How great would it be to never sin again ? Sadly that's not possible this side of God's Kingdom . 1st Samuel Chapter 12 verse 21 . Never give up , there's no where else to go and God is very merciful .

Revelation 6:2-4 The red horse

The first seal involves a rider with a bow but no arrows. We need to read Daniel to see more specific descriptions of this "man of intrigue" who "through peace destroys many" and "divides the land for gain." He apparently is into the occult as he "understands dark sentences." It appears there are other clues about his character with the "Assyrian" in Isaiah; the descriptions of the fatal wound that occurs later in his career in Zechariah; and even some hints that are in Habakkuk as to his character; and those describing the "son of perdition" that describe both Judas Iscariot and Christ. (See also 2 Thessalonians 2:3; John 17:12).

In any event; there will be a period of illusory peace as verse 2 describes it being "taken from the earth." It wouldn't be all that surprising that for a short time the world is in such a state of shock from the Rapture/Resurrection that they are relatively submissive to the "man with the answers." It wouldn't be surprising if he promised not only world peace; but prosperity by eliminating all the nation's debt and introducing a worldwide currency such as the gold standard before the mark of the beast ( Dan. 11:43).

The red horse says nothing about armies or organized military campaigns. It has been said this is equivalent to "kingdom against kingdom" ( Matt. 24:7) indicating ethnic groups. It certainly could be the next stage or preliminary setup to the military conquests of Antichrist.

Even savage one on one combat in the end combined with famine and pestilence kills one fourth of the earth. Anyone who compares this to past events or doesn't think it is too bad compared to other judgments is seriously underplaying obvious meaning or just plain out of their minds. We may have foreshadowing now but once the birth pangs get started they continue to get worse with each wave. There is no more delay as Ezekiel 12 and Rev. 10:6 and other verses indicate.

Hello Don , nice to meet you . I'm new here also . It's a great site , lots of interesting opinions and interpretations . Plenty of food for thought . Hope to read more from you .

Revelation 6:1-2 the white horse.

There are two basic interpretations of the white horse that of being Antichrist (which I subscribe to); or Christ. Because Post-Millennials (who think that the church is currently fulfilling the 1000 year reign; clearly symbolically with almost 2000 years since the crucifixion) ascribe this conquering king to Christ they also take the time frame in Revelation as having been at least partially fulfilled. This is due to the belief in only one general Resurrection (despite obvious differences in the descriptions); jamming everything related to the events of the Second coming to those of the Great White Throne judgment; in other words no time frame after Armageddon for an earthly reign of Christ; and an immediate new heaven and earth. This forces clear verses in Isaiah about a man dying at less than 100 being accursed; other verses about those who don't worship the Lord not having rain; and of course a literal rebuilt Temple. With this mindset at an extreme level we find those who are into the Dominionist mindset; that Christ can't return or won't until things keep getting more and more Christian and better and better. Often a literal Antichrist isn't believed in at all; which begs the question for those not spiritually discerned if they will believe that he indeed IS the Christ. Full Preterists who think He is already here in some form will fall for it no doubt.

Further supplementing my point is the common thread whether in Islam with the 12th Imam; the New Age Maitreya; or the Jews who Christ stated point blank would believe another coming in his own name ( John 5:43). He will be another great orator like Hitler; conqueror like Napolean; and therefore fulfill the statements made by the Club of Rome in 1957 about "whether God or the devil we will receive him" when discussing the need for a leader to rule.

It is clear from Daniel and other prophecies that there is yet a final future ruler to come.

Being given a godly mother is the best gift in the world. Knowing God gave you to each other. This is how we learn, Gods heart of Love. Scripture declares, God is Love.

We may not always understand what He is building within us, but someday we'll see His work.

You couldn't be more wrong GIGI!

Genesis 3:12 And the man Adam said,"The woman whom Thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."

13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, "What is this that thou hast done?" And the woman said, "The serpent

[Satan] beguiled/wholly seduced me, and I did eat."

14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, "Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity/construct between thee and the woman, and between thy [Satan's] seed and her Seed; Christ shall bruise thy head [vital part], and thou shalt bruise His heel [lower part]."

16 Unto the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception [pregnancy]; in sorrow [painful

toil] thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be subject to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the SERPENT BEGUILED EVE THROUGH HIS SUBTILTY, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Who's the serpent? Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Matthew 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Serpent Seed cont: The subject of John 8 is of the serpents seed

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Dear John Deuteronomy Chapter 28 . Some think this points to the holocaust , I'm not convinced of that but I can understand why they might think that , it's pretty brutal .

18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. James ch 2:

This is a reminder to me that I cannot give up that life is hard with every step of faith there is a step of resistance. With this said my prayer request is for a daughter(my mom) of God who having enormous amounts of faith had the hardship to go with it even for me going the opposite direction it carried over and lighted my path. I give thanks to My Abba father for such a blessing bestowed on my life.

In this request I ask that her health be sanctified that all financial stresses be eliminated that love and joy become music in her life and that mighty king Jesus will give me the chance to honor her presence the way she has honored me. I declare it in hundred folds thousand folds and million folds in the name of Jesus thank you lord and thank you platform Amen

I recently heard a sermon on the moody channel about mental illness. What is meant by the word and how it affects us.

The sermon was about the words we hear and how we respond to it. A condition that if not taken seriously can seriously impair us, leaving us in a desperate condition of the mind. Running away from help, instead of too it.

That said, my experience of what is most needful, is a constant rescue from the H.G...

The world, though filled with misperception, or the conception of such deliverance, is most vital in any true believing Christian.

This help found in Him (the Holy Ghost).

One must constantly observe and be ready for the next attack on the mind. Satan always lurking about ready to attack at any moment.

Once he has the mind, the heart will follow.

The warring that we are presented with, can come in many forms, times, places, and or people.

So, "mental illness" could be characterized, as a condition of survival of the mind.

This our survival being the mind of Christ! We cannot live outside of Him! Vital to the survival of the mind!

A person who has the mind of Christ then, even though He may be mentally ill in the worlds mind, is in fact a warrior, for the kingdom of God!

The docs. the theologians (Pharisees), who think they have the ability to diagnose these symptoms, may in fact have no idea of what mentally illness is at all. And should remember the words, context, context, context. Repent and be Baptized

Is God Always a good or Great God) made in his image

Dear God the Father in Heaven. We thank You God for having created Heaven and Earth. You saw and made everything God, no one can compare with You. You are outstanding. Hallelujah! We know that You give out the Holy Spirit to the person who asks to get Him. The Holy Spirit is the third in Your Relationship God. Your Son Jesus Christ had to give up His Spirit to make all things perfect for us. We pray in Jesus Christ name for "Texsis" Lord for gifts of love, for faith that can move mountains, for security in You Lord Jesus. That "Texsis" always trusts in You Lord. Let "Texsis" hunger for Your Word, Lord, to get to know You more. Thank you Jesus for saving us all, and to hear our pray, Amen.

SwordBearer I agree its all in our minds our hearts etc....Jesus said out of the hearts of man proceeds all manner of evil...We war in the spirit....And our new heart and new spirit is in our minds....But this new heart and new spirit is a living being which is the H.G. The Child of Promise...That New Creature.... Gal. 6:15 ...Nothin availeth any thing in Christ Jesus but a new CREATURE....Not circumcision nor uncircumcision..only a new a creature which is the H.G. A baby Christ...Thats y we must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed....Thats y he is saying unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child impling a new Birth of a baby Christ in us which is that New HEART and new Spirit....Our new innerman has to be born in us....Plz note the Kingdom of God does not come till the woman births the manchild....Which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE....Thats what the New Covenant is an intimacy with humanity...Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains Jeremiah 30 :6...I will KNOW KNOW them all from the least to the greatest Which is gonna result in a birth of Christ in everybody....And this intimacy/KNOWLEDGE is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...As Jesus said if i be lifted up I will draw ALL ALL men unto me....When Daniel saw the New Covenant the book he describes it as WORDS OF WONDER....In Daniel 12 :6 ....Its my belief that the reason he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN....Is b/c mankind is gonna birth a Baby Christ which is spirit the H.G.....Thats y he said that which is born born of the Spirit is spirit...Thats the H.G....That Child of Promise...The Kingdom unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....gb

Dear "Jesse" i agree with you here. Because as long as God's Spirit is on earth, He will not destroy the one or those who live here. Then a few years remain for the doubters to come to God and as everyone knows it will be a terrible time. But some will make it, those are the ones mentioned in Revelation 20:4. Some will probably disagree with this. But read it sometimes, pray over it and see. We're not there yet. Should now the mark of the beast come shortly. We all have little time to survive, right? Until then, may we be confident in God's promises. Love each other deeply and forgive each other. Then everything will be fine, i Jesus name. God bless you all in Jesus, i love you all in Christ. Stay strong in the word. Act 1

Can you please explain the verses 1king 6:7

Amen Brother Luke:

Acts 1:9 ....and he was taken up; and a CLOUD received him (Christ the GLORIFIED BODY out of their sight;

INTO MAN: his BODY).

Christ was taken into (NEW) heaven: MAN the BODY of CHRIST.

The CLOUD: the Glory and Presence of God ABIDING in, and on, God's temple.

Exodus 40:38 For the CLOUD of the Lord was upon the tabernacle (temple of God) by day, and FIRE (Hebrew 12:29) by night .....

2 Corinthians 6:16 ....for ye are the temple of the LIVING GOD ......

Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY .....Christ in you .... HIS BODY .....HIS TEMPLE .....HIS LIFE ....HIS TRUTH...

Romans 8:29 .... to be CONFORMED (by the NEW BIRTH) to the IMAGE OF CHRIST ....

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the eyes of them WHICH BELIEVE NOT, lest the light of the GLORIOUS GOSPEL, should shine unto them.

Psalms 82:6 I (the word) have SAID; ye are gods, the children of the most high.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, IS IT NOT WRITTEN in your law, Ye are gods?

John 10:35 If he called them gods, TO WHOM the WORD of God CAME, the scripture CANNOT be broken.

Luke 9:23 .... If any man will come after me (the second coming of Christ: IN YOU) let him will DENY HIMSELF and take up his cross (first death) and follow ME (I AM the resurrection).

Ephesians 4:4 ...ONE Spirit (the Father) ....ONE Body (Man) ......

Christ the firstborn among many BRETHREN (the image of Christ).

God Bless you (the body Christ).