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for God's Will to be done in each and every life -Amen
I'm not settled on who or what is keeping Satan at bay.
Some theories i've heard,
The holy spirit
The church itself as a whole (seems unlikely to me)
Michael and his angels (see below)
Revelation 12:7-12
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7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, *NOW* is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Seems like satan stays in heaven and is stuck in heaven until he and his are cast down after the war with michael and his angels in heaven.
We therefore invoke the holy blood of Jesus Christ and purify Robert Mcgregor right now Lord! In the name of Jesus, you Robert are to be protected from all evil. The Lord will send His helpers to you in due time. Trust it and show Jesus that you love him. Thank Him every day. In Jesus Christ holy name.
God bless u in Jesus name (look at Jesus all the time, think of Him and read the Bible) He will help u. Hi loves u, i loves u in Christ. Act 1
It's possible the question could be asked, 'would a king actually loan or entrust money to a slave, considering the nature, cruelty & limitations that a slave is bound to?' Maybe, what you're saying is that even in this reference, it should be read as the 'king's slaves'. If that is the case, then I do apologize for an incorrect rendering of 'doulos' & hope that Jewelgh can take note of this & any further remark by yourself. Thank you for this clarification brother.
So the 'axe that is laid to the root of the trees': this signifies that this will be God's Judgement of cutting down & discarding even those who have been blessed as are called the children of God, since these very ones are not trusting God for their position & redemption, but trusting in their heritage & not living out lives that are worthy & fruitful. These 'trees' God will cut down with His Axe of Judgement, right at the root so that nothing can grow from it again; and John the Baptist's coming (and as a forerunner to Jesus Christ), was to do exactly that: to separate those in God's flock from those who aren't - as also those abiding in the Vine & those who want to be for their own reason - but these will be soon plucked from the branch for lack of fruit (i.e no evidence of faith & no fruit from being nourished by God through Jesus ( John 15:1-8)).
And now you know what withholds, and the word withhold is the word restrains, something that holds back.
You know the restraint that he might be revealed in his time. He says there is a restraining force that is keeping the antichrist from being revealed.
He could be on the earth alive right now waiting to be revealed. And this restraining force is keeping him because it's not time.
2 Thessalonians 2:7, "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."
For the mystery of iniquity is already working: That's in Paul's day.
And right now, whether the person is alive or not, we have the one world system taking shape, and then he'll step right in to the situation.
Only he who now letteth will let, and that's the nice Old English language. It's the same word hinders, or restrains.
He says and he who is restraining, will continue to restrain until it's time for the antichrist to be revealed, until he be taken, that is this restrainer be taken out of the way.
There is much speculation as to what is the restraining force. We know for sure it's God.
Some people believe it's the Spirit of God in the church, that at the rapture when we're removed from the earth, that God's Spirit in the form of His people is gone.
That is true. But as we study through Revelation, we find out that it's the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit himself, whether it's in His people or not in His people, it is the Holy Spirit. God's Spirit will remove the hold, or restraining on the man of sin, and he will be revealed. God's Spirit is the only thing holding this person back. I believe that once God's Spirit is gone from the earth, there will be no more restraint. I'm not sure I would call the rapture a theory. The Bible speaks of it as a real event.
Continued..
This whole study on the tabernacle reminds me of Ephesians 2:19-22
"Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself, being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows, into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit." (NIV)
All of the specifications God gave for the tabernacle are shadows of what God does in the us, as well as after the pattern of the tabernacle in heaven. Can't wait to get there!
In this chapter YHWH informs Moses that He has filled certain Israelites with the Spirit of God enabling them to perform the work of fashioning all of the furnishings for the tabernacle and clothing for the priests and curtains. He names two of them, one from the tribe of Judah and one from the tribe of Dan, but He indicates that He has equipped many Israelites with the skills to perform all of the work proscribed with excellency.
Then YHWH tells Moses that these people, whom He has chosen and sanctified, are to keep the seventh day as a day of rest from work. This relates back to Genesis where it says God rested on the seventh day from His work of creating the heavens, the earth, and all that is to inhabit these places.
He warns the Moses that anyone who does not keep the Sabbath holy will die. He also says that this is a covenant between Himself and the people of Israel forever.
By reading this, I understand that the Sabbath rest is for the Israelites. It isn't part of a covenant with any other peoples. It was not part of the decision of the Jerusalem council in Acts for Gentiles to keep the Sabbath.
It was also true that the early Christians met on the first day of the week to worship because it was the day of Jesus' resurrection. Constantine did not change anything that wasn't already practiced for three centuries.
It is good to know that God will equip us for every work He has prepared for us to do. But even more so, that He has filled us with His Holy Spirit, that we may know Him and be sanctified. The Holy Spirit is preparing us for heaven, changing us from glory to glory to become more and more like Jesus in character, mind, and soul. Wonderful!
Matthew 6:9-13 gives us the principles of prayer. This is known as the "Lord's Prayer" theologically, but in reality it is called the Disciples Prayer because Jesus is teaching the disciples to pray.
The real Lord's Prayer is found in John Chapter 17 where Jesus prayed in intercession for His people to the Father. That is the real Lord's Prayer. It is His prayer. This is the prayer for the Disciples in Matthew Chapter 6.
There is another version in Luke 11:2-4, but it is a different presentation from what we have in Matthew. In Luke there are no Hebraisms because Luke's Gospel was written to the Gentiles.
For instance the first one is "Our Father, which art in heaven." Luke, even in the oldest manuscripts, it is just "Our Father." There is no phrase, in heaven.
So basically, Jesus again taught the same principles, but one in Jewish form and one in Greek form. And so you can see that it was not used as a formula for reciting, where everybody gets up and says the same prayer all the time every week. It is not a formula prayer!
But there are principles that Jesus laid down to teach us. He says, you want to know how to pray? Here is what you do. And there are three parts. But again, this is not the Lord's Prayer in Matthew. The Lord was not praying. He was teaching the principles of prayer to His disciples.
Is there a population left on the earth after Armageddon and after return of the second coming.
Thanks!
All of the bloodline of Cain perished in the flood. And there is nothing in Scripture that says that Satan is Cain's father. In Genesis, Adam is said to have known Eve and she conceived and bore Cain. It does not say that Satan knew Eve and she conceived CAin. This serpent seed doctrine is evil and untrue.
I know all of those Scriptural references. I just don't think that Jesus was raised a spiritual body. He was raised a physical body, the same one He died in, yet He had the ability to appear and disappear before the disciples, to also be unrecognized by His disciples (on the road to Emmaus). But He ascended in a physical body and the disciples were told that He will return in the same way. Stephen saw heaven opened and Jesus sitting at the right hand of the throne of God the Father. (Stephen recognized Jesus because Jesus is still in a glorified body). He mediates for us before the Father, as a human and as God's Son. Humans were made to have bodies. We have a physical body in this life, and in the resurrection, our bodies will be like Jesus' risen body.
I recognize that we may differ on this. So, I will end my participation in this discussion with you with this post. i am glad you expressed your opinion on this matter, as I have. We shall see in the resurrection how we will be embodied.
"Doulos" in greek means "slave" and nothing else, there is no case that it could be interpreted as servant or bondservant.
Servant in old greek is "diakonos", from this word the word "deacon" (a formal servant of the church) comes from.
Jesus was a "slave" of God, Paul was a "slave" of Christ. I Know it sounds bad in English but not in Greek.
A slave is somebody who is not a master of his own life. He can not have plans for his life. No ambitions either. He does what his master tells him to do and when he is told to do. Time and place do not belong to him. His activities, his life is always dependant on his master's will. So Lord Jesus wants his "slaves" to be like that. Jesus' slave is not everybody. When the NT use the word slave it specifically talks about people who are ministers or charismatics. These people if they want to have result in their work/ministry they should really become like slaves. Their lives should be always directed in every single aspect by Jesus. That is why the Bible uses the word slave. Servants are not like that. I don't remember now any other verse apart from John 12:26 where the word servant is used.
But apart from servants and slaves, we are His friends, His brothers and sisters, And His Bride.
GBU
Then in Galatians 1:15-17 and Galatians 4:25 Paul went to Arabia where My. Sinai. Does that cross your mind it is just like Moses did. Paul must have seen God and gave Paul the revelation of The Gospel of Jesus Christ 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. That was a very different level of understanding (How Jesus died for our sins) VS what the 11 apostles are telling people who Jesus Christ whom the Jews crucified). That is why Pauls's epistles emphasized on trusting the blood as a propitiation as he wrote more about the grace, justification, wisdom, faith, sanctification, redemption, atonement, Charity, mysteries that God may have revealed to him. I am so happy that God gave me the ability and I think it applies to all of us to think and be serious in understanding Jesus Gospel to the Gentiles.
I am not a Jew, so some messages only applies to the Jewish people in the last days. 2 Timothy 2:15
Although there are some Jewish people who can be saved today, but God loves Israel who knows already and will know the King of Heaven and earth Jesus Christ today and/or later. They will be saved if they understand the message of God from their fathers when Moses brought them out of the land of Egypt until today. That is why we Gentiles need to be United to help them all.
Some of you may not understand yet, but most already are on the same page. There is no religion, nor denominations can compete to the people who has the power of God. You know who you are.
We continue to pray because we want as many people to attend the wedding ceremony in Heaven.
The only thing I do not like about this site was there are pagan books in it.
Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
If half of the elders are from Old Testament and they are represantatives of saved people in the OT times, then this means that OT saints will take part in the rapture as well There is a debate about that (Verses Rev 5:9-10 do not hide anyhting in greek). One question though. When you say whole church do you mean people from OT as well? Because I think when we say church we mean the NT saints only. GBU
I will not stay any more on the topic of the date of Jesus' crucifixion. There are some explanations that could be right But I will stay on the tranditional belief mainly because I find it very hard to believe that the early church who started celebrating Easter just 70 yeas after Jesus' crucifixion were wrong. And through the centuaries nobody really debated that date. So... what am I supposed to say?
A thing I would like to point out is that today we read the Bible in our language as if it was written in it. And we forget that different languages often use different expressions for the same thing, like today we say "two or more", but Jews at that time used to say "two or three", and if the translation is word by word we often need somebody to explain things. Also often people who speak a language find it difficult to understand old writtings not only because many words are not used any more but expressions may have changed as well, we say it in a different way now, this happens in greek as well. Another thing is that the NT with the exception of Luke who was greek was written by Jews, and they often say in greek what they would have said in Hebrew but in greek it may be confusing, and further on in English as well. Also people at that time used many allegories, metaphors, parables, (some writtings like Job and Song of Solomon are poems in Hebrew) whereas today we tend to be very precise in what we say. This is why we need pastors, teachers, scholars, theologists, historians to explain some things. I dont say this happens always.That is why personally I use many different Bibles if I am not sure of what something means. So I recommend people here on this site not to always trust their own perception of the Word of God but listen to others as well (this includes me), and read. Read.
God Blessings
It is interesting to consider even Paul mentioning at the temple for the "unknown god" the pagan writings talking of God being near to all of us ( Acts 17:28); as well as the Cretian poem talking about their own people being gluttons and other unpleasant attributes as being true testimony in that respect ( Titus 1:12).
As historical literature from that period of time between the O.T. and N.T. we can glean some events such as the Maccabees account of what the Jews did resisting Antiochus Epiphanes that Daniel prophesied about along who would have similar traits to the final Antichrist. Thus; earlier Bibles included such texts for historical but not spiritual application that were of the Protestant mindset; the Catholic church itself states in their own commentaries that certain things are stories and not based on fact. Even with the best literature we find grievous errors such as praying for the dead (necromancy) that is forbidden in the rest of scripture. There are spurious accounts of Christ as well after the Resurrection that are not doctrinally sound. What we do find of accuracy is basically a repetition of the 66 books of the Bible in certain passages; such as can be found as well in Islam and other writings. There is lacking a "thus saith the Lord" or any prophetic statement with clear fulfillment either at that time or in the future.
I know, but that was Jesus in a transfigured body, He had not yet ascended; He was saying to the disciples a celestial/spiritual body has not flesh and Bones, as they see Him. ------ (in a transfigured one)
It wouldn't have the same effect on the disciples if He were in a spiritual body.
LUKE 24:39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself: handle Me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have."
I. CORINTHIANS 15:42 So is the resurrection of the dead also [with a different body].. It is sown in corruption [decay and ruin]; it is raised in incorruption [unending existence]:
I. CORINTHIANS 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness [sickness]; it is raised in power:
I. CORINTHIANS 15:44 It is sown a natural [animal life] body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
2 Thessalonians 2
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1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, ***nor by letter as from us***, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 ***Let no man deceive you by ANY means***: for that day SHALL NOT COME, EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Consider verse 6
The four beasts before the throne show the continuing narrative in Ezekiel 1:5. These were and are still continually praising the Lord. The elders once again appear in verse 10 casting their crowns down and giving praise to God's attributes.
When we get to chapter 5; we see that the elders discuss being redeemed from every tribe tongue and nation (verse 9 and 10). So it would seem that they are representative of the whole church; or else a larger group was also included in the text and the way it is translated seems to hide it. I have heard that analogy; in any case clearly the reference to "kings and priests" such as represented in 1 Peter 2:9 and other scriptures makes it clear the whole victorious raptured group of saints from the church age are meant here. Other scriptures; however mention the warning of losing reward ( Rev. 3:11); and indicate crowns are rewards for specific things. Those who are raptured will recieve a crown for those eagerly looking forward to that Day ( 2 Tim. 4:8). Certainly; however those who make it in as through the fire ( 1 Cor. 3:15) will suffer loss; and many may not have crowns or be kings and priests during the Millennium. Those who have more fruit have bigger reward ( Luke 19:17-19); and some who hide their "talents" will lose even what they thought they had ( Luke 19:24). A similar parable shows that servant being cast into outer darkness; either the Tribulation or hell.
So we can barely enter heaven; or be a tare if not investing what He gave us and producing fruit. Food for thought!
Makes one think about how God connects to His Election in that (hour) where they are all of one mind in Acts 2, in the day of Pentecost being fulfilled.
Frankly I've never made that connection, and much is deception of the mind to deceive, e.g Trumpets, Plague's ... are deception's of the mind.