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Do our local churches in the u.s.a. want revival and do the members in those churches allow it? Does the church body of the churches agree or

are passive .?

Lorraine Satan known also known as the devil was called lucifer and was Gods highest angel before being kicked out

of heaven and thrown down to earth in genesis. He was in eden and tricked eve but he was not a snake, the term serpent

is used in reference to sly influence its a figure of speech. In eden he was beautiful look at references in isaiah and jeremiah

also he was known as then bright and morning star. The significants of that is jesus Christ is now the morning star. How

wise is our God.

If, we are in Christ we will experiance only those things that are in and of Him.

Consequently, without time or space, a moment in time ,if you will, without fear, who walk in the same paths of those that do and will love Him.

A pure condition that only looks too Him.

Even with the questions as the apostles had, we follow Him, waiting to see His next miracle, that will happen.

Are we like the apostles that are waiting and watching!?

Beholding the truths of His word?

How this one, Judas could not see, is an example of brothers whom I've known who have fallen by the wayside! Including myself!

Is falling from grace the same as Satan entering into the soul. What would it take to change our mind? Money?

These things we may soon find out!

Living in a time, this evil one waiting once again to control us.

Being a follower of Christ is, and will be the constant subject of interference in our relationship to our Father.

Is falling from grace the same as denial?

I think not, if it were, than Judas would not have tried giving back the money!

If I am wrong, please show me why.

John 15 and Predestination

John 15:2 is a frightening verse; in that on the surface it would seem that someone could be saved but end up being lost. Romans 11:21-22 seems to reflect the same sort of picture. Since scripture can't contradict itself; this can't mean salvation can be lost. It does reflect that there are some who would gain prominence, reputations or financial gain from association with the church but whose hearts were never in it. Continuation is a theme here in verse 9 (perseverance of the saints in a way). Verse 16 makes it clear once again that God chose us for these good fruits; i.e. good works.

Going back to verse 2; the second part shows how God is doing the purging (or chastisement; and testing through trials) to gain MORE fruit for those truly in Him. The parable of the sower and the seeds ( Matthew 13:3-9 and in Luke) illustrates how those in Him must get to the point of producing fruit. This fruit comes from Him; therefore He is gaining a return for His investment or redemption achieved through the Atonement.

The concept of being called friends is once again attached to the idea of producing LASTING fruit as WELL as seeing answered prayers. This should give us pause to reflect on our own spiritual growth as well as being selective in WHO prays for us; looking for those that show evidence of these things.

Finally; we have verse 17 about the COMMAND to love one another; followed by the fact that men will HATE us because of Christ in us. This theme goes on to verse 26 where the Comforter is promised to do the talking; as well as the Disciples own eyewitness testimony in the following verse as part of their unique ministry. In light of this; we have to question churches that the world readily accepts in light of whether the TRUE and whole Gospel is being preached.

Brother S Spencer:

The scriptures I quoted doesn't disagree with there being two groups of people IN THIS AGE.

Two thirds shall die and a third left there in.

I do know one thing. God has a purpose and a time for everything; therefore, You and I and everyone on this site ARE IN THE PLACE OF GOD. HIS WORKS.

Genesis 50:19-20

God Bless YOU, his body.

Luke 10:18 Satan fell from Heaven

He was kicked out three times.

Positionally

Bodily ( Luke 10:18)

Eternally

Next passage

Gen 11 (who is the "us" in verse 7....trinity perhaps)(also, note LORD in all caps and then refer to Rev 19:16 "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS......that is Jesus as well) Jesus came down and confounded the language in His spiritual form.

[1] And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

[2] And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

[3] And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

[4] And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

[5] And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

[6] And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

[7] Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

[8] So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

[9] Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

This passage is about Jesus being brought forth from the Godhead.

Prov 8

[22] The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

[23] I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

[24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

[25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

[26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

[27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

[28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

[29] When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

[30] Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

John 14 Predestination and the work and blessed assurance of the Godhead.

As we continue here and the following chapter; we see how Christ gave comfort and assurance immediately before the trial at Gethsemene which He knew was imminent. Heaven itself is mentioned right off the bat in verse 3. This; of course leads to confusion and further questions.

The answer in verse 6 is that no one comes to the Father but by me (Christ). So; the access to heaven is the priority; and that essentially is showing them how the Father makes Himself known. Previously; the emphasis was on understanding who Christ was and that no one could know HIM unless the Father had elected them. Thomas was told that he was soon to understand in verse 7; followed by Phillip's request to see the Father (obviously he still didn't get things completely). He then explains the Godhead and how the Holy Spirit would come soon at Pentacost to remain with them (verse 18-21) and continues to show how prayers are answered in understanding these concepts. He promises peace despite the remorse over His upcoming death; and comfort as the Holy Spirit will remind them of these things; with further reminders of these things just spoken as well.

Before we do a V-8 moment as to the apparent dullness of mind these 12 Disciples appeared to demonstrate; we should all be reminded that without the Holy Spirit we are toast; and if it weren't for restraint being enacted by God Satan would have destroyed all of us and the whole earth by now. We should see at least occasionally as Christ saw; that we are indeed seated at heavenly places and perceive the spiritual world and the unseen and not focus in on what our five senses and the devil are constantly promoting. We need to take on the milk of the Word as babes before we can mature and discipline helps; nonetheless we can do nothing without Him ( John 15:5).

i meant John 14 for last comment.

John 15: Predestination and the work and blessed assurance of the Godhead.

As we continue here and the following chapter; we see how Christ gave comfort and assurance immediately before the trial at Gethsemene which He knew was imminent. Heaven itself is mentioned right off the bat in verse 3. This; of course leads to confusion and further questions.

The answer in verse 6 is that no one comes to the Father but by me (Christ). So; the access to heaven is the priority; and that essentially is showing them how the Father makes Himself known. Previously; the emphasis was on understanding who Christ was and that no one could know HIM unless the Father had elected them. Thomas was told that he was soon to understand in verse 7; followed by Phillip's request to see the Father (obviously he still didn't get things completely). He then explains the Godhead and how the Holy Spirit would come soon at Pentacost to remain with them (verse 18-21) and continues to show how prayers are answered in understanding these concepts. He promises peace despite the remorse over His upcoming death; and comfort as the Holy Spirit will remind them of these things; with further reminders of these things just spoken as well.

Before we do a V-8 moment as to the apparent dullness of mind these 12 Disciples appeared to demonstrate; we should all be reminded that without the Holy Spirit we are toast; and if it weren't for restraint being enacted by God Satan would have destroyed all of us and the whole earth by now. We should see at least occasionally as Christ saw; that we are indeed seated at heavenly places and perceive the spiritual world and the unseen and not focus in on what our five senses and the devil are constantly promoting. We need to take on the milk of the Word as babes before we can mature and discipline helps; nonetheless we can do nothing without Him ( John 15:5).

hi Jackie,

I might add that a manicure refines us on the outside, reshaping our nails. But the Word of God refines us on the inside, reshaping our innermost person. One (the manicure) is superficial and optional, but the other (the Word of God) is deep and needed by all believers.

When did God kick the devil out of Heaven?

God bless u too bro .

None taken bro .

Chris I have seen the back and forth on this subject matter and the different meanings for different texts. One can state that

we who are born again were in Gods foreknowledge or mind since the foundation of the world eph. 1:1:4 because God is

omnipotent also he knew of course the our Saviour was in his mind just like he knew Lucifer was going to betray him. Last point

at the end of Gods word he is going to hand over everything to his father and our Father not to himself, also Jesus Christ

currently sits at Gods right hand. My point is I see both viewpoints but I don't judge because its not my job.

Hey Giannis,

Part 1

I want to thank you; this discussion has been a blessing. It has stretched me in my understanding and the realization of some answers to some questions the Holy Spirit may not show us, maybe it is to see if we show love to one another. In our discussion the spirit and the soul are the keys, what part of us are they? Are the spirit and soul the same? Sometimes, in scripture, they seem interchangeable but is the spirit or the soul immortal, that is the key to the answer.

Spirit in Hebrew the word ruach means breath, wind, spirit, and in Greek, the word pneuma also means wind, breath, spirit. Our spirit is our driving force, energy, and stamina, and is the conduit of communication to God through His Spirit. Soul in Hebrew the word nephesh means a soul, living being, life, self, person. The Greek word psuche means the soul, life, self, and a person's distinct identity.

In Gen. 2:7 God breathed into Adam's nose the breath of life and he became a living soul. Adam became a living soul he was not given a soul. The breath, spirit, given by God became life, a soul. Also, in Genesis 1 all living animals are soul's nephesh. The soul is a living being human or animal, the life in us, but it is also our identity, we are all different in looks and personality, all our feelings, our thoughts, emotions, all that makes us, us.

Does scripture say the spirit leaves this body? Ecclesiastes 12:7 Jesus in Luke 23:46 Stephen in Acts 7:59. Does scripture say the soul leaves this body? In the resurrection 1 Cor. 15:52-57 If our soul is immortal would we not already be a spiritual being? Does scripture support death as the separation of the soul from the body and the soul is immortal? Does that come from Socrates, Plato, and then Augustine's encouragement in the church, and over the years it is fixed?

See Part 2

Giannis,

Part 2

Scripture describes death as sleep and the grave/hell is our home until Jesus returns and releases us from the pains of death, Acts 2:24, and the hope we have, Rom. 8:11. We see in Psalm 6:5 Job 14:12-14 Job 17:13-16. When a person dies, he "lies down" in death and does not arise out of that sleep until his regeneration at the resurrection. Psalm 89:48 Psalm 115:17 Ecclesiastes 9:5-10.

Jesus said this referring to eternal life, Matthew 16:26. Sory for being wordy but I hope this sort of explains my understanding. If our soul is immortal, Luke 16 is a real story, I believe scripture is clear, our soul is us and is mortal, there would be nothing to resurrect. Where would be victory over the grave and death? 1 Cor. 15:54-55 1 Cor. 15:14.

Jesus's soul along with his body was as He said of Jonah/Jonas, Matt. 12"40. In Acts 2:22-35 Jesus was not left in Hell and did not see corruption, in vs. 24 God loosed the pains of death because Jesus was sinless, and death had to let go.

1 Peter 3:18-20 is hard, we have spirits in prison who were disobedient in the days of Noah, and the waters of the flood compared to the baptizing waters saving not washing away the filth of the flesh but for the conscience toward God. Our conscience, our hard drive our testimony, 2 Cor.1:12 tells us with the help of the Holy Spirit if we are good to go and it is pure.

There is no clear indication of when Jesus did this so to say it was when He was in the tomb would be just an opinion.

Spirits in prison from Noah's time building the ark? Why that time and not all the time up to His resurrection? I may be wrong, but I do not know of the dead being called spirits and being in prison, but the angels who left their first estate are locked in chains of darkness. Revelation gives another look at what that prison may be. This one will be full of opinions that would need setting at a table discussion, so I will leave this one to your understanding.

See part 3

Giannis,

Part 3

1 Peter 4:6 I think it would be hard to verify Peter is talking about the gospel being preached to dead people, it may mean those who are spiritually dead or ones that heard the gospel that has died and was dead when he said this, or an answer not yet reviled.

A general definition of a parable is a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels. Luke 15:3, 15:8, 15:11, and 16:1 are parables, and they are introduced in a similar form to Luke 16:19. In this both the rich man and Lazarus are depicted as having bodies, Lazarus a finger, the rich man a tongue after death, but scripture says new bodies are not given until the resurrection.

The rich man and Lazarus both were fully aware of their surroundings, scripture tells us there is no knowledge in death. My understanding of the lesson of Jesus is clear. Our current lives dictate our eternal destiny, which is unalterable after death, and the only way for this to not be a parable is for the soul to be immortal which comes from Greek philosophy and was advanced by Augustine in the church. My understanding is scripture does not support that.

Sorry, it took a while to get back to you, and forgive me if I repeated anything I'm an old man.

God bless,

RLW

Adam Jesus Christ had a human mother called mary the genetics are always dominate male side in human physiology,

also God created the sperm to impregnate mary for natural developement therefore He i8s and always will be thye only

begotten of the Father. We are his children spiritually when born again.

God is leading you to your Godly spouse. Have faith and pray daily. Get out of the house and let your love light shine.

She is healed in Jesus' name. A miracle they say.

I believe in God's promises and that all my praying friends here will receive the righteous desires of their hearts. My prayer is that I receive 150,000 to renovate and repair my home. Thank you all for joining me in prayer. Blessings.

please pray for Gianna, idk if something bad happened to her but i hope everythings ok, please pray for Gianna brethren.

In Genesis 1:24-31, some people point out man being made on the 6th day. If you will notice the "beast" was made in the "sixth day" also.

Revelation 13:18,

Hopefully these are helpful

Amen Chris good verse that John 17 :5....It does not need any explanation.....Its Kinda self explanitory...

I grew up believing that the #666 was the sign of the beast meaning Satan. Recently i was told that the #666 is the sign of man can you explain or tell where in the Bible I find the right answer

Thanks Earl but again we disagree on all those scriptures you presented.

You asked "What does the overcomer, overcome" as if all overcome. Nowhere in scripture presents this.

We would be revisiting a pass discussion where this was put to rest using these scriptures: Revelation 20:1-15. and Revelation 22:10-11.

( The so-called refining fire you're presenting has already past back in Revelation 20:1-15. )

By the time we get to these verses we have the outcome of two groups with separate destinations.

Revelation 22:10-11

And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.

(Yet there still remains the unjust AFTER JUDGMENT. )

HE THAT IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST STILL: AND HE WHICH IS FILTHY, LET HIM BE FILTHY STILL:................AND HE THAT IS RIGHTEOUS, LET HIM BE RIGHTEOUS STILL: AND HE THAT IS HOLY, LET HIM BE HOLY STILL.

Revelation 22:14-15

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city............

FOR WITHOUT ARE DOGS, AND SORCERERS, AND WHOREMONGERS, AND MURDERERS, AND IDOLATERS, AND WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE.

Again everyone doesn't overcome. Revelation 21:7 is one group. Revelation 21:8 is another.

Grae but Joseph was must much much more a type of Christ then Job.....Bible scholars tells us that Joseph was a type of Christ in over 100 similarities....Plz google it.....It will be a great blessing to you....And i love to read Job....But its Joseph who reminds me of Christ the most.....love ya Grae....No offence

Jesus And The Samaritan Woman

John 4:1-26

1. When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and Baptized more disciples than John,

2. (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

3. He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

4. And he must needs go through Samaria

5. Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph

6. Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being weared with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.

7. Therefore a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.

8. (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)

9. Then saith the woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealing with the Samaritans unto him, How it that thou, being a Jew, asketh drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

10. Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knowest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

11. The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?

12. Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle.

13. Jesus answered and said unto her, Whoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again.

14. But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water spring up into everlasting life.

15. The woman saith unto him, Sir give me this water, that I thirst not neither come hither to draw.

16. Jesus saith unto her,but call thy husband, and come hither.

17. The woman answered and said, I have no husband, Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: