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remember me and family in your prayers please

What are the names of all the Jesus's siblings ?

i need Gods divine intervention in my office

Pray that u may one day b a part of the Bride of Christ .

Almighty God Father and Creator, thank You for knowing all things Lord. Thank you for Your wisdom and love. Thank you God for You are the same today as yesterday. We lift up family "Tradawn Montgomery" to You Lord and pray in Jesus Christ's Almighty Holy Name that what is hidden will be revealed to this family Lord. So that they can throw what is not from You God into the deepest abyss, in Jesus name we pray Amen. Thank you for answered prayers that will deliver this family from this idol they have in their midst Lord.

John 6:1-14

Each of the baptisms (for the Jew, by John the Baptist, Jesus' baptism, & believers' baptism) are different in meaning, though the medium of water being common in all. That water baptism is rarely referred to in the Pauline epistles should not downplay or underestimate the requirement for baptism, even in this 'age of Grace'.

Unfortunately, the Church's view of it & performance of it, has also raised our differing approaches to it, i.e. whether it is needed for salvation to be real or not; immersion or sprinkling; misunderstanding its application with a 'take it or leave it' perception by a new believer; the baptizee being made to believe he is obeying the command, rather than the command given to the baptizer to fulfil, etc. All these I view as departures from what the early Church believed & practised, hence our present varying views about it, even whether water baptism is actually valid for today. If the Church and/or evangelist/parent viewed water baptism as going hand-in-hand with the moment of one's conversion (as per the NT), I suspect our differences in what we believe about it, would be far less.

And this departure from the original messages covers almost all other ground, in respect to the Trinity, the Second Coming, the Lord's Supper, the sins of adultery, fornication & homosexuality which permeates the Church today. If we truly held onto the teachings of Christ & His apostles, faithfully passing them down & not getting side-tracked with personal beliefs & preferences, I feel the Church would be better biblically grounded & even the matter of water baptism, properly understood & practised. Therefore, by your statement of 'the necessity of water baptism today - that it's not simply a man-made tradition in this age of Grace', I would ask, 'if water baptism is unnecessary today, then when was it made so?' Limited references to it in the epistles, I believe, shouldn't compel us to believe that it has lost its currency.

Predestination and John 10

This entire chapter is based on the Pharisees; a blind man, the Disciples and a few others and Christ as revealed to them. along In a verse from the next chapter; Jesus states believe me; or if not at least on the WORKS I do ( John 10:38). Jesus selected or elected this man for healing; without him asking first which is noteworthy.

Verse 2 starts out with the Disciples themselves blindly following a superstitious idea that someone had to have sinned in order for the man to be in this condition. This at least partially could have been a logical concept since others had been healed who were told not to sin lest a worse thing happen to them; for instance from John 5:14. Jesus answered this "one size fits all" concept of the fate of this man by giving God's glory as a reason; as well as a prophetic hint perhaps partially fulfilled at His crucifixion; with a final one after the end of the Age of Grace in v. 4-5.

After he followed simple instructions; first his neighbors asked what had happened and if it was Him; then the Pharisees with their usual condemnation of Sabbath Day healings, they checked with the parents who verified his identity then sent him back to them; then further discourse as to Christ's character and repeated questions actually got the blind man to realize that Christ could not be a sinner as no man could do this miracle in that case. This led to him being thrown out of the synagogue; His revelation and acceptance and worship of Christ as SOn of God. Then comes the end where the Pharisees are told they remain in sin and the blind man sees spiritually and physically.

Therefore; despite continuing evidence of God's divine nature in Christ's actions; the blind Pharisees continue to be blinded by the god of this world to Christ as Lord and Savior.

Hello, Robert,

I understand. This is what my three sisters say for themselves.

Funny, though, none of them are following the Lord because they know that doing so is incompatible with their lifestyle and they do not want to give up their partners or lifestyle.

We were raised in a Christian home. Some of us remain believers but a number do not. (I have 9 siblings). So, I really don't know what to say to them, either, as they seem to be beyond convincing. I just pray for the Lord to change their hearts and orientation.

Believing that someone is born homosexual puts the blame and responsibility upon God for their orientation. This is a good way to relieve themselves of the conviction and guilt they have felt and have attempted to reckon with themselves in the process of coming to terms with this lifestyle themselves. After such a difficult struggle, I can see that it is very hard for them to hear nor consider that what they are living is sinful and not from God. So, we can have compassion for them because they often have very deep struggles due to this. But we still need to stay firm in knowing that this type of lifestyle is against God's ways and not give in to the reasoning of the current society that now approves of this lifestyle, thinks it is honorable, and that they are born that way. This is clearly calling evil good and good evil (anyone who does not approve of homosexuality).

I pray to one day be someone wife!

Hey Giannis,

Hope you don't mind, I read your posts. I do not know if you read my post to Gary in this thread, but you commented on the Greek words in the, (my understanding a parable) Luke 16. And you spoke on Matt. 27:51-52. My understanding of this comes from what John wrote of what Jesus said.

In John 8 they were pressing Jesus who He was, and He said this in vs. 28 he does nothing of Himself, but He said when you have lifted up the Son of Man then you will know I am He. Then In John 5:25-29 Jesus said the hour is coming and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God and they shall live. Now is not later Jesus is saying now which He is talking about what is written in Matt. 27.

In vs 28 Jesus said marvel not at this for the hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice, (but He did not say and now is). This goes to your comment on the final resurrection, but I will not comment on that now.

In Matthew 27 Jesus had been hanging on that cross since 9 AM going on 6 hours, and I am sure He was going in and out of consciousness and when Jesus cried out for the last time, He may have come to which in my understanding refers to the word resurrection used in vs 53. You will know the Greek better than me, but it is a different word than the other words used for resurrection. it is egersis, meaning resurgence not necessarily from death.

But my understanding is when Jesus cried out all these things happened, the veil of the temple rent, earthquake, the rocks rent, and the graves were opened, many bodies of the saints which slept arose and went into the city and appeared to many. As you said like Lazarus.

To me vs 54 confirms what Jesus said in John 8:28 truly this was the Son of God. Many knew they just killed the Son of God. "Then shall ye know that I am He"

God bless,

RLW

For God to grant me job placement in a good facility in Bahrain

Prov. 3:11-12 speaks to me differently.

"My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:

For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth".

Some troubles faced by us these days is as a result of lack of knowledge, which leads to punishment from our Lord and Creator because we have despised HIM.

However, these punishments should be seen as an act of chastening by God so that we become conscious and get back to the right path, of which we should not be weary of. In fact, he is only correcting us with such punishments mainly because he loves us - our Creator is a forgiving God.

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"Can be taken together" is what I typed. Not sure why it ended up can be amen together?

We'll Alex, Exodus 3:15 does not answer my question. Verses 13, 14, Ana 15 can be amen together and it's easy to see that God is not telling Moses His name is Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

I have read through your explanation and it still doesn't add up. I will leave off from this conversation as the things you are saying are very foreign to me and I would have to throw away many years of study and start from scratch to be able to come up with the same things you are sharing. Right now I believe the Lord is putting it on my heart to stay completely clear from these things.

And by the way, God does not have any grandchildren!

Can you explain Acts 2:38

Thank you so very much, I am blessed by your knowledge and thoughtful response. It helps me lot now maybe I can write about it a little more intelligently and perhaps bless someone else in some small way. I am amazed how God works always for our betterment.

I am inquiring in order to educate a friend of mine. My friend claims to believe that; many homosexuals were born that way.

That being the case, she also thinks that God then is responsible for their condition.

Hi Giannis,

Thanks for sharing. You make some very interesting points. I think we are slightly different with each other on some of these things, but hey, I guess there are probably a few other ways we can look at it also.

To answer your question about people who never heard the gospel message of salvation through Jesus Christ, I would have to say that they are without excuse. They will not be able to stand before God and say "we never heard." Romans 1:20 says, For the invisible things of Him, (that is of God), from the creation of the world, (from the time of creation up till now), the invisible things of God, and notice the clarity: are clearly seen, no confusion!

The comprehension: being understood by the things that are made, that is by creation. And then there's a clause at the end of Verse 20 that is an apposition to invisible things, meaning equal to. When it says for the invisible things of Him, I have to ask myself, what does he mean by that? He says even his eternal power and Godhead;

But notice the conclusion: "so that they are without excuse." And as you are aware, the word excuse, Apologea, is where we get our word apologetics from it. It is a legal term that means defense. People have no defense whatsoever. Not one human being is ever going to be able to stand before God and say "I didn't know!" And we are not talking about what registers in the mind. We're talking about what God illuminates or enlightens in a person's conscience or spirit.

Something else I take note of is Psalm 19:1-4, "The heavens declare the glory of God. And the firmament shows His handywork. Day unto day utters speech and night unto night shows knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard." Verse 3 really stands out to me, "There's no language or speech that God's creation cannot reach."

Again, no one will have an excuse. God uses creation to testify of His existence.

Plus, I think most Muslims and Buddhists know of Christ but reject Him.

The only reason u think that the New Testament doesn't reference the Old very much is because u haven't read the Old .

Jesse its Exodus 3:15....This is my name forever and my and my memorial to all generations....God is being very specific in that Abraham Issac and Jacob were 3 distinct beings...But the 1 singular Father of Israel...Moses is being sent to Israel...Just like the Godhead is three ....Father son and Granson (the H.G.) That heavenly Jacob....And just as Abraham was multiplied as the sands of the seas....So GOD will be multipliied as the stars of Heaven....Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the word came it made them Gods many plural and the scripture cannot be broken....Do you not see the multiplication of Christs Seed is gonna be many Gods which is the H.G. plural many....As i will pour out of my SPIRIT ON ALL FLESH....Which is the gift of the H.G the Promise to all flesh....After the book is opened...They all sang a new song....We are not gonna sing this churchanity song much longer...gbu

Maybe he walked by faith and not by sight .

Dear Sharol;

I just did some research on your question. It seems that soul can mean a number of things, even the Bible.

I learned that in O.T. the word "nepes" was used in Hebrew for the English word "soul" and Hebrew thought of the nepes meaning the whole person, not a separate immortal part of a person. So, in the O.T. the word soul (nepes) stood for an individual person as a unit-some of it being physical and other parts of it being immaterial (soul, spirit, mind, heart).

In the N.T. the Greek word "psyche" was most often used for soul and meant-self, individual and was considered immortal whereas the body is mortal. When one dies, our body is dissolved by decay into "dust" and yet our soul departs our body at death. Our soul will re-unite with our resurrected body and spend eternity as a unity of body, soul, spirit as it was in this mortal life.

Our soul is created by God, not by our parents, (they contribute the physical parts-sperm, ova, chromosomes, DNA) I believe at conception God creates our souls, which imparts life to the newly formed person in utero. Sperm and ova have a life span and both will die if conception does not occur. But in the merging of the sperm and ova, a new person is conceived and God gives this new person a soul in order that the physical parts will continue to live and develop in the uterus and survive until physical death occurs.

The soul has the capacity to know and love God or to reject Him. The soul needs to be atoned for since it is the seat of our life and all of our thoughts, desires, actions flow from our soul. Whenever we sin, our soul always involved with the sin.

Each individual person (soul) is a unity of our physical and immaterial aspects. A body without a soul is dead, a soul without a body is not complete. We do not have two natures-body and soul, nor three-body, soul, and spirit, nor any other way one could try to divide ourselves up into. We are a unit possessing one complex nature.

Hope this helps.

Dear Robert, I will pray for you today.

Heavenly Father, Asking You today to restore Robert's breathing to normal. Help him to lean on You for every breath and trust that You will help him regain his breathing from this episode. Father, we ask for this healing in the name of Your Son, Jesus, Amen.

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Hello Jesse

I agree with you that the parable of rich man and Lazarus is actually a real story but some details in this story make me have some questions in my mind. Fistly as I said before what are those flaims/fire? Since both persons have no material bodies but are just souls then how come the rich man is burned by flames(physical flames?). Secondly reading the story you will see the words torments/tormented in the English text in verses 23,24,25. In the greek text the word "basanois" is the word for torments in v23, which is OK. But in the other two verses the word "odynomai/etai" is used for tormented. But this word is mainly used in greek for spiritual/psycological pain, not physical pain. Why is then the rich man begs for water(physical water?)? Can it be that this story is just fantastic? Jesus just wanted to make people realize the consequences of not believing in Him and told a completely imaginary story? Just womdering.

Now lets go to Matthew 27:51-52

"52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

Fistly there is a mistake in the position of comma in verse 53. The comma is after the word grave not the word resurrection, so it becomes "And coming out of the graves, after his resurrection went into the holy city and appeared unto many". This is the proper sentence.

You are asking, are these all of the OT saints? My belief is no they are not. It says "many bodies", not all. Secondly iF they were all the OT saints, which they must be many many millions of them, the whole land of Israel would be full of them, vastly more than the living Israelites at that time, which I find hard to believe. I believe that those were godly people that have recently died and were resurrected, lived the rest of their lives as before and died sometime later on, like Lazarus bro of Martha and Maria.

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Jesse

About resurrection It seems to me there are 3 of them.

1. A pretribulation resurrection during the rapture of the saints to meet Jesus in the air. Are OT sains included? There are two opinions (I dont know which is right). The first opinion says they will be included. Those who believe that use the verse in Hebrews 11:40 "God having provided some better thing for us (the christians), that they without us should not be (the OT saints) made perfect. Others says that only the Bride of Christ, the church, will be caught up. Verses about the Marriage of Christ with His Bride church are used by those who have the second opinion.

2. A resurrection of all those that will not accept the mark of the beast and will be slaughtered during the reign of the antichrist. They will be resurrected just before the second coming of Christ, just before the fight of Armagedon. This is obvious since they will reign on earth together with Jesus for 1000 years.

3.The final resurrection of all the rest of people that died thought the centuaries, just before the Final Judgement.

Now, what is your belief about people to whom Christ was never preached (like muslims, budhists etc)? I believe that they will be judged (and be saved) according to their good life/good works as their conscious says to them. Romans 2:11-16

God Blessings.

Alex,

Where does God specifically tell Moses that His name is Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?

Human nature has not changed even today after reading this chapter. Sad to see people here be like a modern Pharisees. Read your Bible. Many are deceived. Stay in prayers and Colossians 2:1:23 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Predestination and John 8

The first 12 verses describe a woman caught in adultery. The fact that the man wasn't brought as well was suspect. Jesus gave instructions for the man without sin to throw the first stone; and when He remained mercy triumphed over judgment. It should be noted; however that in verse 11 she was told to "go and sin no more". In verse 12; Jesus appeals to the fact that He is the light of the world.

Then; when disputing with the Pharisees and giving what seemed like a clear message of salvation and how He was connected with the Father; verse 27 shows that they really didn't know what He was referring to. Verses 31-32 describes what is often called "Perseverance of the saints". It makes clear that to produce good fruit; we must remain in Him; which of course is only possible for those sealed with the Spirit ( Eph. 1:13-14).

In verse 33; another lie is told; as we see elsewhere in John that they were never slaves. Then; continuing to verse 38; Jesus reveals whose father they have. They are thinking about physical ancestry; Jesus is talking about spiritual authority; and spells iit out continuing to verse 48. The situation deteriorates further when Jesus is accused of having a demon (v. 48; following v.52-53; then Jesus gives a clear statement that He is the "I am" or God Himself; and the last first shows yet another attempt to stone Him where He escapes. (See John 1:11 to summarize this book). They are spiritually blind; but held accountable having physical vision (see John 9:41; Isaiah 43:8)

Urgent prayer:

please keep praying for gianna : ( she is not doing very well