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My great niece and nephew ages 3, and 5 are in a foster home. Their Mother and Father gave up their parental rights and don't have contact with the children. My partner and I are 55 plus years old and have taken in the kids for almost 6 months. My sister and her husband stepped in taking the kids in full time but after a couple of months decided to surrender the children back to child protective services. My partner and I were asked by CPS if we can take them back. We were so puzzled, and it was unexpected to have the kid's caseworker stop by our home and ask. My partner, Bill, and I do not want to raise children at our age. However, we are willing to help out by temporarily taking the kids into our home. I am asking for prayers for the brother and sister to become adopted and have a forever home. I ask in Jesus' name.

Hello Carl. To your comment, "Sheer numbers warrant that no one should ever be able to contrive any form of oppression over a mass number of people. But yet it happens. Why? Because of no leadership? A very interesting thought and I continue to question why it is still happening today."

Theoretically, yes. Practically, it is the leadership (government), however small numerically, who has the power & the resources to back it up. Generally, the populace hasn't got the will, stamina, or firepower to withstand a govt. At times, coups have been mounted, some successful, most others, not so. But for the preservation of life & family and lack of equivalent or greater ordnance, most would rather be subjected to despotic regimes or at best, attempt flight.

I don't think any nation has ever seen a righteous government, which upholds the Laws of God, abhors evil, metes out true justice & shows true compassion. Governments are as wicked as the people whom they're supposed to serve and I believe, will have a lot more to answer for in that day of reckoning.

Hi Ken. What you read in Genesis 19:5, is what we would term a euphemism, i.e. a word or phrase that softens the actual wording which may sound harsh to some. So when the men of Sodom came to Lot's door wanting the two visitors to be brought out so "they might know them", means, that these Sodomites (young & old) were of homosexual bent & wanted to sexually engage with these visitors. Such was the condition of that city, given to all manner of evil & not just homosexuality, which necessitated the outpouring of the Anger of the LORD upon them.

Thank you bro Richard for sharing that full & beautiful account of our Lord's Life & Ministry while on Earth. Even in his short time on Earth, He truly met many folk & touched many lives with His Life & Words.

As you've shared a great overview of this, one also notices that practically every aspect of life that we might face, has been the experience of Jesus & that He has given each person who has so suffered or being challenged, His full Attention & Help in their matters.

His holiness of Life & richness of His Words gives us today great comfort & joy, knowing that not only we can fully rely on His Guidance & Help, but that His human experiences with the people of His Day, with their sicknesses & sufferings, also reveal His Understanding & Compassion to us now who maybe so overcome.

As we read in Hebrews 2:18, "For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted"; this must speak volumes to us of the LORD God coming into humanity, experiencing our struggles, so that we might be truly helped, not by "an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities", but by "a merciful & faithful high priest". No high priest of old could ever fill the shoes of our Great High Priest, eternal in the heavens, ever interceding for us.

And for you dear brother, that the Wisdom & Grace of our Lord be with you in your matters with your family & ministry aspirations. We remain in prayer that the way before you will be made abundantly clear.

Mae, I will pray for you tonight.

Heavenly Father, I ask that You will calm down Mae's digestive system and end the discomfort and ill feelings from this upset of this body system. Strengthen her immune system to fight against the "bug" that is bothering her body today and let her sleep restfully without discomfort all night. I ask this of You, Father, in the name of Your Son, Jesus, Amen.

Dear Mae, I am blessed to have three kind, helpful, intelligent, compassionate sons. They are adults now, all in their 30's. I will continue to pray for Nico when I pray for my sons, Brian, Rob, and Kevin.

I appreciate your reply bro Giannis & for the trouble you've taken to research into this (perplexing) verse. What you've found sheds some new light on it, which should be helpful to others reading this thread.

For this reason this verse seems difficult to me, in that, it stands out like a sore thumb in the midst of Paul's dealing with the subject of the resurrection, & there's little else surrounding the verse to help us know what Paul was referring to. Obviously, the Corinthians knew what he was writing about - we can only make educated guesses (& very valid), as seen in this thread.

I note your understanding that "the dead" refers to Jesus, though I'm still a little hesitant that Paul would have expressed it as he did, if he meant only to a crucified & buried Jesus; almost seems too crude when speaking about the awful death of our Lord. In the chapter, he generally refers to the Person of Christ - so then why refer to Him as "the dead"? Certainly, Jesus would have been his primary focus in this verse, but the wording seems to suggest that both Jesus & believers who die, must arise from the grave based on Christ's resurrection. Or else, believing & being baptized which identifies one with Christ's burial & resurrection, is totally worthless ( 1 Corinthians 15:16-18).

As you wrote, maybe the Lord will 'reveal to us the precise meaning of that verse'. I know that getting a grip on this verse may not be an issue for most Christians, but to those studying in depth or even teaching it, we need to come to grips with it & sense the Spirit's Help & Affirmation. Blessings to you.

What was did it mean in verse 5 when the men said they wanted the two men to come out so they cam know them.

Hello Charles,

In Genesis 2:2-3, God completed his creation by making the Sabbath holy and this sanctification and the blessing of the Sabbath then became a seventh day of rest.

Because God rested from all his works in creation, God's command of the 7th day of rest was also promulgated in the Mosiac Law that all Jews followed. See Exodus 20:8-11. This 7th day of rest or the Sabbath falls on a Saturday, which usually begins on sunset, instead of a Sunday evening. Throughout the Old Testament period, Jews have always congregated in their synagogues every Sabbaths (every Saturday evenings), for worship and hearing of the Law. The Sabbaths is based on the lunar calendar, and not the on the solar calendar. In the New Testament, we see Jesus in the synagogue as He was reading publicly the scroll of Isaiah,which spoke of the fulfillment of Jesus 'ministry. Jesus of course met on the Sabbath day( Saturday).

See Luke 4: 16-21. Noticed that on verse 16 of Luke, Jesus went to the synagogue just like any Jews of his time. It was customary. And certainly it was on a Sabbath day. There is one reference in scripture that mentioned Paul in Acts, about the monetary collection for the church on the first day of week. See Acts 16:1-2. Honestly, I think these verses speaks about the Sabbath where they assembled was on Saturday but never on Sunday.. because the Jewish calendar is carefully counted when the next Pentecost would be. (See Acts 16:8) so this all makes sense when we read the content of scripture regarding the Sabbath in a more precise understanding of the factual truth about the Sabbath day.

It was Constantine who changed the Sabbath Saturday into the "Sabbath " Sunday in 321 AD. It was a decree for all Roman Christians to rest back in the early days of Roman Christianity in the Roman Empire. Centuries later in 1582 the pope that you mentioned, changed the chronological timing of the solar calendar that we now have today with Sunday as the official Sabbath.

I desperately need my due inheritance, but my sister, being an attorney, has frivolously sued me for 6 years to try to get my share of the inheritance, she also emptied our parents house from jewelry and money and now she began to falsify deeds of properties that belonged to our parents. I no longer have the money to pay for attorneys and don't know what else to do. Thank you for praying for me.

As I research the Bible and learn to read for understanding there are some very interesting results I find. I have been seeking reasoning behind verse 8 that tell us that "a new king arose who knew not Joseph".

This seems preposterous on its face as Joseph was the reason Egypt had its great wealth and had been saved from destruction from the famine that would have wiped out most of the known world at the time. Save for Joseph.

If there was any viability to their historical record keeping, and it was fairly vast there would be no reason that any king or Pharaoh consecutively reigning would not have had a grasp on the historical record of their own country.

Then in verse 10 the administration is discussing the possibility of a national security dilemma with the "foreign nationals" having grown to such a large number. They call for them to be "got them up and out of the land". But they set task masters over them thereby not removing them from the land but retaining them for slave labor.

This account is telling to the psychology of our humanity and an excellent study on sociology.

This fact runs through most of history where a tyrant arises and the citizenry becomes docile and allow for the terrible actions of a few people that ruin the lives of millions. When the fact remains the amount of people that are being placed under subjection are easily more than the oppressor. Sheer numbers warrant that no one should ever be able to contrive any form of oppression over a mass number of people. But yet it happens. Why? Because of no leadership? A very interesting thought and I continue to question why it is still happening today.

Child of God Hello the answer to the first part is Satan who is the author of all evil, Job1:8-12 states that satan presented himself

to God and do what you will but spare HIS LIFE. Now in Job 3: 25 we read where job says that which he was afraid of has come

upon Him, God did not do any of Jobs sorrows in fact in the end God gave him back double of everything. Now the thing that Job

feared so great in Job 1:5 we read where job daily offered up prayers for his family because he believed they were sinning all

the time that is great fear. Job continually did this which opened the door, he believed that because of what his family was

doing that God was going to punish them. Its interesting how many times in scripture the first words of messengers from the

true God is fear not, even in the gospel many times Jesus Christ said fear not. When were born again in 2 Timothy 1:7 it

says that God has not given us the spirit of fear but power love and a sound mind. GOOD STUFF!

As I research the Bible and learn to read for understanding there are some very interesting results I find. I have been seeking reasoning behind verse 8 that tell us that "a new king arose who knew not Joseph".

This seems preposterous on its face as Joseph was the reason Egypt had its great wealth and had been saved from destruction from the drought that would have wiped out most of the known world at the time. Save for Joseph.

If there was any viability to there historical record keeping, and it was fairly vast there would be no reason that any king or Pharaoh consecutively reigning would not have had a grasp on the historical record of their own country.

Then in verse 10 the administration is discussing the possibility of a national security dilemma with the "foreign nationals" having grown to such a large number. They call for them to be "got them up and out of the land". But they set task masters over them thereby not removing them from the land but retaining them for slave labor.

This account is telling to the psychology of our humanity and an excellent study on sociology.

This fact runs through most of history where a tyrant arises and the citizenry becomes docile and allow for the terrible actions of a few people that ruin the lives of millions. When the fact remains the amount of people that are being placed under subjection are easily more than the oppressor. Sheer numbers warrant that no one should ever be able to contrive any form of oppression over a mass number of people. But yet it happens. Why? Because of no leadership? A very interesting thought and I continue to question why it is still happening today.

My understanding of that dear Peter is that if one wants to abandon/leave God, God will not go after him to bring him back. He waited for His son but didn't go after him. Every one of us is free to do freely anything he wants, stay with or leave God. Also the parable of the prodigal son shows us that salvation can be lost if sometime during our christian life we take the decision to leave God and return to our old sinful life. Unfortunately in real life there is no happy end in such stories, we have seen many times that prodigal sons never come back. GBU

Dear David.

Thank you for your respone, but from a research I did, I found out that at least the ancient pagan Greeks (don't Know about other nations at that time) didn't baptize for/in the name of the dead. There wasn't such a practice for it to enter Christianity later on. So the explanation of that verse should be looked for somewhere else. I think Brother Chris' explanation sounds reasonable enough, as well as other ones.

GBU

Hey Jason,

It is a good thing to start at the beginning and go to the end. I could tell you my understanding that will be different than many that may respond but I will say this. Regardless of the understanding you receive after the flood everyone living are descendants of Adam and Eve and the line to Jesus, the last Adam that the scriptures are all about

Clear your mind of the preconceived ideas you have and pray the Holy Spirit guide you to the truth. Your questions on Genesis 1:26-2:22 when you read through and take notes and go back and study each day, consider words like water, earth, and field and replenish. Look up the meaning of them and take notes of what was created on each day. I will give you one, replenish is an Old English word that meant fill not to refill.

What the water brought forth, what the earth brought forth, and what was formed out of the ground. Like beast of the earth, beast of the field, fouls from the water, fouls formed out of the ground. In the sixth days man was created last, does that line up in the second chapter?

The reason for God not having respect for Cains offering look in the New Testament. Scripture does not tell us if God gave instructions of what and how to offer so, it not being a blood offering is opinion. Abel brought the firstlings of his flock it does not say that about Cain. I will just say most comes from the heart as we see God told Cain if he doest well he would be accepted.

The Mark of Cain, what it was is not in scripture and any opinion will be speculation but whatever it was people would see it. Do a word search on the sons of God the book of Job is a good start. There are many opinions of a gap, but I have not found any scripture to support that.

I hope this will give you a start let the Holy Spirit be your teacher and don't look to find scripture to fit an opinion or a preconceived idea, let the scripture and the Holy Spirit show the truth, it may be later not now.

God bless your study,

RLW

there is only one gospel, the new testament interrupts the old.. I'm just discovering how bad Christian Zionism/ C.I. scofieldism really is, i was caught up in it myself, they uses the truths in Pauls gospel to mask the lies. the big lies are, Jews have their own religion, a future physical earthly kingdom for Israel, the pre-tribulation rapture, the invention of a human man indwelt by Satan called "the Antichrist"... Satan is the Antichrist, the head of all Antichrists.. ect...

1 john 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as yee haue heard that Antichrist shall come, even now are there many Antichrists, whereby wee know that it is the last time.

this idea of a human indwelt by Satan called the Antichrist is a distraction from the many Antichrists at work right now.

hares Paul's commission from the Lord

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said vnto him, Goe thy way: for hee is a chosen vessell vnto me, to beare my Name before the Gentiles, and Kings, and the children of Israel.

16 For I will shew him how great things hee must suffer for my Names sake.

Hellow Jesse.

Thanks for your reply.

As far as the verses Colossians 2:12 and Romans 6:3-7 are concerned, why do you think it'a about Spirit's baptism? Spirit's baptism is not something symbolic for something else as bapt. in water is. One doesn't do anything, simply God sends His Spirit to dwell in him. There is nothing there to symbolize for, I think. And certainly one receiving the HS can not in any case be taken as the burial and ressurection of Jesus.

As you said baptize in greek means to dip, immerse. The Jews practised many baptisms, hands, pots everything. Why? It means to dip them in water just to clean them. That is why John's baptism was for repemting and spiritual cleansing. John 3:3 "And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;" Please pay attention to that "for the remission of sins". If John's baptism was for the remission of sins, how do some of us believe that the christian baptism is not necassary for salvation?

Nice to hear from you again, we may disagree to some things but is nice to talk to you.

Blessings

Child of God Hello the answer to the first part is Satan whi is the author of all evil, Job1:8-12 states that satan presented himself

to God and do what you will but spare HIS LIFE. Now in Job 3: 25 we read where job says that which he was afraid of has come

upon Him, God did not do any of Jobs sorrows in fact in the end God gave him back double of everything. Now the thing that Job

feared so great in Job 1:5 we read where job daily offered up prayers for his family because he believed they were sinning all

the time that is great fear. Job continually did this which opened the door, he believed that because of what his family was

doing that God was going to punish them. Its interesting how many times in scripture the first words of messengers from the

true God is fear not, even in the gospel many times Jesus Christ said fear not. When were born again in 2 Timothy 1:7 it

says that God has not given us the spirit of fear but power love and a sound mind. GOOD STUFF!

Hellow Chris.

Sorry for my delayed answer, I just wanted to search for some things. So I found out that:

Firstly, ancient (pagan) Greeks were never baptised in the name of the dead. They did actually baptise their children when they were a few days old to devote them to a deity, as an act of a spiritual cleansing in the beggining of their life, and oficially give them a name, but never in the name of a dead person. So it seems there was never such a practice that creeped from idolatry to Christianity.

Secondly, I did a research on internet in English and Greek religious sites and found out that most English interpretations say what you said that Paul talks about people that were baptised in the place that somebody else died. I never found though such an interpretation in Greek Bibles. They suggest many different interpretations. One common inetrpretation is "what shall they do those who believe that they will be joined with the dead saints if the dead will not be ressurected?"

So wha is my conclusion?

I really don't think that people were baptised instead of the dead, nothing in history or any other ancient tradition or early christian writtings suggest something like that. This is probably something modern. Also this idea doesn't fit with all those things that Paul was talking about, why would he say that?

Your interpetetion that "dead" (yes it's plural, in greek adjectives, like nouns, have a prural form) means the "grave, place of the dead people" seems to be right, there may be a problem(?) though with the verse "for the dead", it may be as well interpreted "in sake of/in favor of the dead". Nevermind, this is possibly what Paul wanted to say. I keep though my initial belief that it talks about Jesus that some (that's why Paul says 'they') claimed He was never ressurected in my mind, as well as other logical possible interpetations, until God hopefully reveals the pricise meaning of that.

Thanks all of you for your replies. God Blessings.

Jason,

For each chapter in the Bible there are two sections at the bottom of the page: one is from a Commentary; the other is Discussion pages from those on this forum in regards to these chapters. You may wish to read both of these sections. This may help you in getting answers to your questions also.

Hmm that is a very good point and I missed that part about "replenishing the earth"..replenishing giving the idea that there had to be something prior to Adam and Eve or there wouldn't be a replenishing if they were there originally. Thank you for your reply and wow it's so interesting to think about pre-adamite man this way ( Neanderthals cromagnon man etc).

Jason I apologise after why the repopilate is supposed to read because in genesis in the beginning there was a life

but was wiped out between genesis 1:1 and 1:2 thats why repopulate is there no their were not two adams and eves.

thge only6 traces of the life that was on earth are fossilsof the cataclysmic event.

Who caused all the destruction to fall upon Job and his family, and why?

Please say a prayer for me, that God will reunite me and Jacobo,

( God knows who he is ) , Now , to restart our Friendship again .

I really need your prayers for this.

In Jesus name,

Amen

Prayer for The Lord to comfort and strengthen my daughter Gabriel, and comfort this family. Prayer for a right now job for my children and I. Prayer for God's hedge of protection, grace, mercy, deliverance, healing, anointing, favor, direction, salvation and Warrior Angels to protect all of my children, and I and for God to expose an remove wrong people from us thats trying to cause harm.

For last few months, I am having health problems relating to digestive organs. Have concurrent stomach aches. I have a fatty liver and my triglycerides are 3 times higher than the normal limits. My diet is reduced too. I also know this is happening due to my excessive drinking/smoking on week ends for last 8 months. I am now going through some tests as per doctors advise and paying the price for my sins. I need someone's help who can intercede for me and pray for my speedy recovery and for soundness of my over all physical and mental health. I need peace and an entry of my other half, someone special in my life. I am 51 and unmarried. I hope you understand. Thank you, regards and God bless.

According to luke 15 : 11-13 what are the characters of jesus

Hi Jason one point in gen 2: 7 God formed man of the dust of /the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life

and man became a living soul. now some will say spirit and soul are the same but look at 1 Thes.5:23 states and I pray your

spirit soul and body be preserved blameless. Another point interesting is Gen. 1:28 that God says to adam and eve

repopulate the earth why. IN GEN 1:27 God created man in his image.[In gospel of the john 4;24 GOD IS SPIRIT thats what he

created in man then in gen 2:7 he finished it and man had body soul and spirit.

Thank you all for your wonderful comment.