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Can man (the believer who is truly saved, having experienced all of the above), then undo what God has done, drawing himself away into perdition through an unholy desire, & without the immediate intervention of the Spirit within him who has loved Him, sealed him & secured him into the family of God? I know some do believe that we can of our own volition do such a thing & they've even given proof, but the Word clearly shows us that God makes no mistakes, yet we do err when we fail to understand that we simply cannot judge another's salvation or how the Spirit is at work in that wayward one's life to draw him back.

We can never correctly discern a person's salvation before God - we must accept & love all who claim faith in Christ alone, building them up in the faith, & watching out for signs of weakness or departure, but salvation is only of the Lord & He knows His sheep & by their name - not one of his own can stray away for very long. But can even that one sheep decide that he no longer wishes to be under the watchful Eye & Care of the Shepherd or to live amongst that special flock? I believe that God's indwelling & continual ministry of His Spirit in his children will keep them true to Him, even under the greatest pressure, testing or persecution. But "if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" ( Romans 8:8), should affirm our hearts & keep us confident that not one of His Own shall be lost or even have any desire to depart into the world & sin.

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Hi Valmar. Thanks for addressing my question & I do agree with you on the incomprehensible Work of the Spirit in giving healing, exhortation, etc. What I was looking for pertains to your subject, viz. a believer's eternal security. And also to a comment you made, "the ability to lose one's salvation rests completely with that individual".

The way I understand the Scriptures, is that if we have the ability, or power, to lose/relinquish our salvation, then it presents questions not only to the Spirit's Work in saving a lost soul, but also the power we have to over-ride what the Spirit has done in our lives. Clearly, you believe that a saved sinner can either choose to depart Christ or to remain faithful to Him. My question then is: is it in the new spiritual make-up of the one now found 'in Christ' to ever desire to leave the One Who has delivered Him from so great a penalty & given him a new life with peace, joy & hope? Here, I'm not referring to a saved soul who through negligence or appeal of the flesh or Satan, strays & toys with the world. I'm confident if that soul is saved, then the Spirit will not let him go; and Momsage shared an apt testimony of this very work of God in her & her husband.

So to my question, I believe the more relevant Work of the Holy Spirit in one's life is that: He Convicts man of his sin ( John 16:8-11); He Regenerates, or gives re-birth to the penitent sinner ( John 3:3-7, Titus 3:5, 2 Corinthians 5:17, 1 John 2:29); He Indwells ( 1 Corinthians 6:19, Romans 5:5, John 14:16); He Baptizes ( 1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:5); and He Seals ( 2 Corinthians 1:22, Ephesians 1:13, Ephesians 4:30). I'm sure you're conversant with these Scriptures, showing that salvation & securing is all of God, without any contribution from man. To Page 2.

Amen Gigi!

There's one other thing the Holyspirit does that is very much in context with this post is he "Holyspirit" seals us.

Ephesians 4:30.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, WHEREBY YE ARE SEALED (UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION).

Thank you brother S. Spencer - all truth in what you've shared here. Especially, when the Gospel message should be our only focus to save errant souls from a Christ-less eternity. And yet we have here in this KJBO Site, the opportunity to engage with others (believers & non-believers alike) to discuss questions & other matters of interest. Often they are quite beneficial as my own reading of the Scriptures are sometimes challenged & I need to make the effort to not permit strongly held beliefs to influence what I read from others. A hard thing to do, but when one puts himself in the other's shoes, he can understand the matter in a more informed way - and this can only happen within a back-and-forth discussion. Nothing may come of it, but may just cause all who read the thread to re-look at those relevant Scriptures in a new way. The Holy Spirit certainly uses any number of ways to draw us to His Truth - hopefully, each one of us comes in with that understanding & of the grave responsibility in sharing to such a wide audience. Blessings.

Thanks for responding

Oseas.

I suppose as long as the Lord delays his coming we should be spreading the Gospel.

God bless.

Hello, Chris. Thanks for your inquiry concerning the Holy Spirit and His unique work within the Trinity. I can only know about the Holy Spirit (Spirit) from what the Word tells me, including Jesus Himself. You asked about God's purpose in sending His Spirit to indwell within us. From scripture, especially in the New Testament, it's apparent that He (Spirit) provides spiritual power to heal, rebuke, exhort, encourage, correct, discern, comfort and I'm sure some others. However, even in the Old Testament, prior to the advent of Christ and the Day of Pentecost when the disciples and others were baptized with cloven tongues of fire, we read where David slayed Goliath, Noah built an Ark, Samson slew 1,000 men with an animals jawbone, Daniel faced the lion's den and his 3 confidants a fiery furnace. Let's not forget Abraham and Moses either. I believe the same Spirit was within them also. God won't ask anyone to do anything for Him without giving them the wherewithal to accomplish it. That's where the Spirit comes in and, if we allow Him, can do mighty things for the Kingdom of God. The only requirement is we submit ourselves totally to His purpose... every day. Thanks for your time...

The apostle Paul knew that all those fans were nothing but bondage such as the Sabbath day after the cross.

Galations 4:10] Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galations 4:21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

[22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

[23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

[24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

[25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

[27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

[28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

[29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

[30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

[31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Shabbat Keeper" and all

In fact, concerning the day of Christ's return, even our Lord JESUS said no man know, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But GOD the Father has given an important and wanderful clue for us to discern not the day, but the moment of this wonderful, ineffable, unspeakable, event of Crist's return, through the prophet Daniel.

Daniel 12:5-7 and 11-12 say:

5 I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

6And one said to the man clothed in linen,which was upon the waters of the river,How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7And I heard the man clothed in linen,which was upon the waters of the river,when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven,and sware by Him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time,times,and and HALF;and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,and the abomination that maketh desolate set up( Matthew 24:15-25.Take a look),there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.(1260 days of the 2nd half of the last week,week 70th, Daniel 9:27,plus a gap of 30 days).But what does the Word of GOD say and rfeveal unto us?It's in Daniel 12:12:

12Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.Yeah, day 1335, the wonderful, ineffable, unspeakable day, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to know now when will it be in the calendar, except to GOD the Father who is in control of History, and as said JESUS unto His disciples: "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in His own Power. Note that there will be also a gap of 45 days after 1290 days, then the wonderful, ineffable, unspeakable day 1335 arrives.Then the current world of Devil finish in LITERAL fulfilment of Re.11:15-18.

Get ready

You're welcome Shepherdsheep.

God bless

We are to be holy in Christ Jesus as he is our rest our Sabbath everyday. The Sabbath day keepers are hypocrites as they break the Sabbath everytime they get out of bed and do work. The moment they got out of bed, they broke the Sabbath day. The Sabbath day was a day of rest, when you are resting you are not sinning. Jesus became that rest for us ss the Sabbath day was just a shadow of things to come. None of the Jews could keep the Sabbath, they kept breaking it. Christ is the end of the law of Moses the law of righteousness the Sabbath Day.

Isaiah 56:[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Isa.11[10] And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Matthew 11:28] Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

[29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

[30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Hebrews 4:8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Hebrews 10:1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Col 2:16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

I agree with you, Momsage.

Hi, GiGi, well if you look in exodus, that's where God explains how to order the calendar. And, God tells them about the new moon and so forth. And, God tells them what the first month of the year will be for them. God's calendar is based on the moon always. Never the sun.

You know, the pagans worshipped the sun. God separated his worship entirely from all their practices.

What you are telling me Jesus is your minister to do the devil's dirty work to sin? God forbid. If you are saved You do not sin. What do you not understand the words " does not commit sin" and "Cannot sin?" What don't you believe? When Jesus in John 5:14 said, "Go and sin no more"

1st John 3:[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

If Jesus told you: "Sin no more.You would answer him by saying, "I can't."Or "I don't believe you."Or "No one is able to stop sinning except you.""???

Matthew 3: 1 At that time John the Baptist appeared, preaching in the wilderness of Judea.

2 He said,Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say,Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Your just calling Jesus a liar when you claim you can not stop sinning as sin is ungodliness it is of the devil 1st John 3:8. Do you think the grace of God came so that we can still live like bastard children of the devil and no change in our life? God forbid. No sinner can make heaven unless thry repent abd give it up.

Titus 2:11] For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

[12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

[13] Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

[14] Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Jesus never died to make a new type of sinner? Called a Christian sinner? he died so that we can be free from the devil we can be holy, rightous, santified, perfect, ready to meet him.

Hi Momsage, I replied to you but I think under the wrong reply button. Anyway, let me know if I can help answer a question about the Protestant church, Seventh Day Adventist. And, I understand your caution. Blessings to you as well.

The ten commandments were a school master to lead to to Jesus Christ. Now that faith has come and Jesus gave is new commandments, it is the righteousness obtained by the ten commandments that is of no avail. As they are now in us and no more an outward appearence.

Galations 3:24] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

[26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

2nd Cor 3:3] Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Amen, the law of sin and death Moses' law, Jesus gave us new laws, the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus which sets us free from the law of sin and death Romans 8:1-2. Jesus' words are spirit and life John 6:63. What are Jesus' laws Matthew the beatitudes and simultudes. Sin no more, be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect, be holy, love one another. 100% conditional commandments.

Romans 8:1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

[4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Hebrews 7:19] For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

1st John 2:3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Hi Momsage,

Sure, I understand the need to be cautious. That is commendable. If you ever feel like sharing your specific concern, I'd be willing to listen. Maybe I can help clear any misunderstanding.

I will say that they are Protestant, and the church was begun by a group of people who were of other assorted Protestant denominations. They had come together in the mid 1800s on the common point of Christ's return to earth. (His Advent). And, because they worship on the seventh day of the week, Saturday, that's how they acquired the rest of their name.

Anyway, thanks for reaching out.

Moses law was the old law law of sin and death. Strive to enter in at the straight gate, and to sin no more. "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." 2 Corinthians 3: 7. The Vatican and her daughters (all major denominations) have never had eyes to see the knowledge you are blessed with. This word of God knowledge is what gives the sons and daughters of God power to walk the walk of faith (no sin) with the righteousness of God unto everlasting life. We are not to walk around the foundation of faith. Hallelujah! The people of denominations are walking on the boardwalk which means they are walking around the foundation of faith. "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Timothy 3: 7.

Deutronomey 6:[24] And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.

[25] And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Romans 10:4] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelations 21: 8.

This is inevitable for those found walking on the boardwalk.

Amen Brother Chris.

These times shouldn't be no surprise,

These days were prophesied.

We have to be aware of Satan's schemes. Some of this is his distraction.

I try to warn others of the schemes and remind them of who's behind them, not really interested in the debates.

Everyone amongst us is not of the wheat. Some or tares,

Every debate doesn't Identify the wheat or tares.

We Brothern sometimes end up in a debate but it shouldn't cause hate.

Hate for the Brothern signifies one lacking the Spirit of Christ.

Also we do not abandon the flock and join league with an enemy of the faith, "one who denies the work of the cross" just to be contentious.

The Holyspirit wouldn't cause us to do that!

It's not flesh and blood where the battle lies. It's a spiritual warfare. It's the spirit of truth what is being attacked by the father of lies.

There were warnings in early church of this very thing.

We must not let certain doctrinal debates consume us and begin a life long study trying to combat them, We can lead ourselves astray and neglect the great commission.

That's the primary attack of Satan.

When you see one join league with this movement or individual they have joined them in their work and shouldn't be spared.

Psalms 1:1 says Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

God bless you and others for all that you do Brother.

Dear Momsage,

It was the common practice of the New Testament church to gather on the first day of the week to break bread, bring together the offerings of the people, hear the preaching of the apostles, and worship with songs. ( Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2; Rev. 1:10)

Pentecost was on a the first day of the week and the disciples from then on continued to meet for worship on the first day to celebrate the day of Resurrection of Jesus. The apostles did go to the synagogues on the seventh say to preach, but this does not mean that they participated in the sacrifices, etc. of the Jewish faith on the seventh day. Historically, since Pentecost, the day of Christian communal worship has been uniformly on the first day of the week. This was not a decision nor a change of the "Catholic" church, rather, in Constantine's day, the Catholic Church, (which is what the new testament church grew into) was affirming as writ what was already standard practice in the church Jesus founded.

2nd century church leaders speak of the common custom of meeting on Sunday to worship, especially across the Gentile world.

At the council in Jerusalem, with Paul and the main apostles, John, James, and Peter, ( Acts 15) Saturday Sabbath worship was not one of the commands affirmed to be effective for Jew and Gentile alike who became believers. Ane Paul in Galatians was very adamant about not being required to keep specific festivals, holy days, or Sabbaths.

It was not an evil thing to begin worshipping on the first day of the week rather than the seventh day. It was how the Holy Spirit led the church from the beginning as it transitioned from Judaistic practices to Christian practices.

Thank you for your reply in helping me find a pastor to listen to online, I really appreciate it. :) Unfortunately, the Seven Day Adventist Church teaches other doctrines that are very false and whether what is being preached to me at the time is correct or not, I believe I shouldn't struggle to have to decipher this preaching because, I believe, that is dangerous for my soul. I hope you understand. Have a blessed day.

This is an amazing testimony. Thank you for sharing.

Hello Biblepreacher12:

Are you saying in this comment that we no longer need to give regard to the 10 commands because Jesus is our righteousness, which He is, of course? I am honestly, not sure if this is what you're saying so I'm not being critical. What I am confused about is that God said for us to REMEMBER the Sabbath to keep it holy (consecrated, set apart)? The sabbath was Saturday when God said it , the early church worshipped on the Sabbath and the only reason that I know of that people worship and rest on Sunday is because the Catholic Church changed it too get away from Jewish things because they believe the Jews were the only ones responsible for the crucifixion of Christ. If we choose to worship and rest on Sunday that is a good thing, always to our benefit, however, that is if we also do it on the specific day God commanded us to? I did a study on all the NT references to rest and especially noted the ones referring to resting in Jesus. None implied to me that Jesus said that His ,spiritual rest, took the place of the Sabbath rest, physical and spiritual, that God had commanded? I hope you will see my sincerity in asking questions about this comment. God Bless

Jema, I think that it was changed to reflect account for the remaining days in year, one revolution around the sun takes 365 days and some small remainder. (this is why we have a leap year).. But the lunar year is 28 times 12 is 336. The Israelites needed to add a month into their calendar at some point (every so many years to coincide with the actual number of days it takes to go around the sun. 28 times 13 is 364 days. So a 13 month year still leaves 2 days each year (and some remaining minutes) short of what is actually occurring. Perhaps at one time the orbit of the earth around the sun was actually 364 days (13 lunar months) or 336 days (12 lunar months) but some spectacular event may have happened cosmically to change the distance of the earth from the sun or the shape of the orbit.

Therefore, the calendar was changed to a solar year to more accurately show the number of days it takes to revolve around the sun in a year's time. If a lunar year was strictly kept then the beginning of "spring" according to the Jewish calendar would come earlier and earlier each year eventually occurring in winter, then in fall, then in summer, and then in actual spring again.

Does anyone know where it says in Scripture that we are to keep time by the lunar phases or the orbit of the earth around the sun? I am not aware of a verse that explains this or that shows how time is amended every so many years to account for the difference between a lunar year and solar year. If there is not a command of God on this topic anywhere, then it is fine to keep track of months and years by a solar means or by a lunar means. (or to us AD and BC for that matter or go by what the Jews do keeping the year being from the creation of Adam up to present.)

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Yes, Lord, we wait on You for the best answers to our prayers. Amen.

Yes, Jema, I was thinking of T.Levis and Texsis this week also. Along with Mishael, Donna Warren, Sam, (faithful in prayer),

LaTonya (praying for you). I am sure I will think of others. With love, we hope you will be back on this forum posting, letting us know how you are doing.

The True Gospel

Jeremiah 5:30-31 declares: "A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?"

1 Thessalonians 5:3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

I know that I am a sinner, so what can I do to be saved? The answer is, there is nothing that I, being DEAD in trespasses and sins, can do to affect my salvation!

Ephesians 2:1 "And you hath he quickened [made alive], who were DEAD in trespasses and sins;"

John 6:29 "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST..."

Romans 9:15-16 "For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy."

So what about the churches that say, we will show you how to become saved, or, you must be baptized in water and partake of the Lord's supper? Virtually every church promotes a do-it-yourself salvation, which is not that of the Bible! The baptism that is required is the washing away of our sins, which only God can perform. When we meditate on the word of God with a view to being obedient to it, we are feeding on the flesh and drinking the blood of the Lord Jesus.

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

Salvation is 100% the work of God. If we are trusting in any work that we do for Salvation, we are trusting in a FALSE GOSPEL that cannot save.

Visit ZionInTravail on youtube and the web to lean more about the True Gospel of Salvation and the Day in which we are living.

Hi VALMAR: I know that what you are teaching is 100% correct. The pat answer for those who believe in eternal security is that no one really goes back to sin, they were just never born again in the first place. That their profession of salvation was phony. However, I know this is false because of the scriptures, of course, but also from personal experience. My husband and I were living sinful lives with no regard for God (I was raised a Catholic so I had no idea what a personal relationship with Jesus was.) Tim knew but was not interested and we seemed very happy. Finally, through the witness of a fellow employee, Tim started feeling his need for Jesus in his heart and the employee's wife started witnessing to me and Tim and I got truly saved, on the same day, several weeks later. Our whole lives changed drastically. We loved Jesus and through His grace and power we left our sins, we started attending church with our friends that witnessed to us, we bought bibles and loved reading and studying them, we loved everything Godly in our lives. We had such joy in our hearts. What, other then true salvation, could have made us suddenly make these wonderful changes in our lives, if not for true salvation. But after several years we let the cares of the world that came upon us cause us to became discouraged and weary to the point of drifting further and further away from God and eventually we backslide and stop loving and serving Him, then Tim divorced me . I was so devasted. I knew my only answer to be able to go on (I had 3 small children) was to surrender to Jesus and I did. I have been living for Him ever since. I never remarried. Tim continued in sin until, on his deathbed, through the witnessing of his sons and daughter, he accepted Christ and less then a day later he died. I suppose some may find holes in this written testimony but I lived it and I know, and anyone else who truly rightly divides the scriptures will know also. God Bless You

T Levis ! Some one else who just seemed to disappear , if you are still out there , hope you are ok :) . A lady called Texis , a lady called Free , hope you are both ok :) .

Hi Jema, I forgot to say, concerning the day and hour of Christ's return, that some have said that it should read, no one will "make known" except God the Father. Other beings,such as the angels, could know, right now, the day and hour. But God the Father will " make known."

Food for thought.

Hi Jema,

One last comment on time:

Jesus said nobody knows the day or hour of his return , but only the father in heaven.

Here is the thing, in those ancient days, it was the father that had the privilege of announcing the wedding!

So , perhaps Jesus is simply saying that no angel, nor he himself will announce his wedding to the bride ( us, the church). It is the privilege of God our Father!

It is very exciting. Jesus must know the day and hour because he is God. But, he is waiting for the announcement.