Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 102

"Tunney"

Without JESUS it is IMPOSSIBLE to exist peace not only in the Jerusalem, but in the nation of Israel as a whole. By the way, the Holy City, where also our Lord was crucified, is now spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. You know that JESUS prophesied the Temple would be destroyed, saying: "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down"- Matthew 24:2- , and it LITERALLY fulfilled in the year 70AD, and Israel was scattered around the world until 1948, i.e.1878 years of severe punishments and curses in LITERAL fulfilment of Deusteronomy 28:15-68, 53 verses of terrible chastisements-Take a look. The dispersed people of Israel have never had peace in the last two millennia. And NOW? The WORST will come now, even now, from now on, because the Day of Vengeance arrived, understand? 2Thes.1:7-9; combined with Matthew 24:15-25.

7 ... the Lord JESUS shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, (angels? Luke 20:35-36.Take a look)

8 In flaming FIRE taking VENGEANCE on them that know not GOD, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord JESUS Christ:

9 Who shall be PUNISHED with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power;

Remember: Pilatos asked to the Jews: John 18:39-40

39 Ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the KING of the JEWS?

40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.

JESUS said: John 5:43-I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER shall come in his own name(an IMPOSTOR, a FALSE MESSIAH), him ye will receive. (This prophecy of our Lord JESUS will LITERALLY be fulfilled in days ahead)

2 Do ye know that the saints shall Judge the world?

Re.1:7 Behold,JESUS cometh with clouds( Acts 1:9-11-take a look)and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Hi Jema,

Have you ever heard the notion that the sun and moon are like our clock? The sun is the minute hand and the moon is the hour hand.

Also, interesting that the term "in the fullness of time", throughout the Bible indicates that God has his eye on our clock.

Very interesting stuff.

Thank you, Jema!

Hi Jema, I'm know you know about the feasts. I just want to clarify that I was mostly thinking about the 3 fall feasts that symbolically are awaiting for their fulfillment in type. Come LORD Jesus! I'm really impatient! Lol

Hi Jema, I believe the month's number of days was based on the sighting of the new moon. I would have to read up on it again. I have forgotten.

The thing is that the Pope changed our calendar from sighting the new moon to whatever it is now.

The new year always began in the spring with Passover. Secular Israel now has the head of the year at Yom Teruah, the feast of trumpets.

Really it's all messed up. The feasts had symbolic meaning. The different feasts were important as object lessons. And the foreshadowing of future events.

It's another huge, huge topic. Super interesting though.

:)

Shabbat Keeper,

Not intending to be meddling, but Chris was not being contentious with Valmar. He was seeking clarification from Him.

Hello Jema,

It is very possible that Lazarus did tell people his experiences, but God chose to not include his words in Scripture.

Hello S. Spencer

I remember Sascha. I have often wondered how she is doing and pray for her. I also remember Grace Ambassador.

We have not heard from FREE lately. Giannis has been quiet lately. Wish all blessings in the name of Jesus.

Thank you Jema!

Hi Adam,

Yes, I agree with you that there will be deception in the last days. It behooves us to question absolutely EVERYTHING.

I feel too tired to write more. If you are inclined then look up flat earth, Eric Dubay on youtube and also David Weiss DITRH. David Weiss ( Deep Inside The Rabbit Hole) also has a website. This flat earth subject is HUGE and both of these people have answers to difficult questions. Also, they address all those points concerning traveling around the "globe", shadows, seasons, etc. For the record, I think the flat earth concept proves God. I think the Bible is a flat earth book. Let us all parse out the truth for ourselves.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when EVERYTHING the American public believes is false." - William J. Casey, CIA Director (1981) Emphasis mine.

Exactly right, Jema! :)

matthew 6:22-23

based on this verse is it bad to watch romance chinese bad despite being a christian who is baptised and reads the bible daily.

Thanks once again Ronald , so clearly explained ! You rock ! :) .

Hi Edwars54 , increasing your faith is an ongoing journey for all Christians . To me , you must first recognise that there is a God , a Creator and Sustainer of all life and that God is the Holy One of Israel . Nothing that we humans do is of any consequence . God is in complete charge of all of His creation . Without Him you wouldn't exist , without Him nothing would exist . You must recognise that He is all powerful and can do anything with any part of His creation . Once you can truly accept these truths then you need to start to get to know Him through His Word the Bible . This in itself should be a life long process . As you learn of Him and grow closer to Him through His Word , you will start to recognise Him in your life and in the world around you , you will see His love and mercy everywhere . This is enormously cheering when this happens , you should start to feel very happy and very loved . Pray to Him every day and thank Him for every good thing in your life , I thank Him if my bus arrives on time :) . Once you realise that literally every good thing in your life comes from His hand your life is totally in His hand , then hopefully your love towards and faith in Him should start to grow . You must recognise that you are totally dependant on Him for absolutely everything . Read the Bible every single day and thank Him every single day and see His love and mercy every single day , in your life and in the lives of others . Never doubt His love or His willingness to forgive you when you sin but don't take His mercy for granted :) . Be patient , He wants you with Him , let Him put you where He wants you to be .

Hi Jesse,

I understand in delays in replies many work and have family responsibilities. This subject is being discussed by several people and I just wanted to share a few points of my understanding on it. The questions were not directed towards you, you can reply to them if you want but they were some of the questions I wrote down when I was studying this subject because some Scriptures seem to support both understandings if not deeply studied, not saying you have not.

Scripture tells us God is love, 1 John 4:8,16 and we have been told God does not have pleasure in the death of the wicked, Ezekiel 33:11 caries us to John 3:16 God does not want us to perish. The Bible tells us the soul that sinneth will die, Ezekiel 18:4 God preserves the souls of the saints Psalms 97:10 the faith and belief in Jesus by the grace of God can save our soul Hebrews 10:39.

Scripture tells us of various degrees of punishment like in Luke 12:46-48 Revelation 21:8. In Genesis 2:7 man became a living soul/being, my understanding is the breath of God is the spirit of life which goes back to God when we die whether lost or saved and this body becomes a dead soul that sleeps in the dust until resurrection then the judgment Revelation 20.

To repeat, eternal life is our promise it is something we do not have, only by faith and belief in Jesus Christ by the grace of God we will receive this gift when we are resurrected not before. If we say our souls are immortal, we are saying we already have eternal life, and it is just where are we going to spend it?

My understanding is the lost and wicked punishment is eternal forever, not the punishing, Satan and the fallen angels the beast and false profit will be tormented day and night for ever and ever as we see in Revelation 20:10, but they are not mortal beings like we are, and we see in Matthew 25:41 it was originally prepared for them.

Just my understanding of Scripture thanks again.

God bless,

RLW

You comment here to me, Shabbat Keeper, seems out of place from what Valmar's post was about & my question to her. So, I can't give you an answer because I don't understand your connection about Lazarus & what has been presented.

Hello sir, you asked a lot of questions here, so I will focus on your first one and your conclusion of "who can know for sure". I assume you believe there's an absolute truth and believe the Bible is true. The words written in the Bible are true. We do have a truth discernment problem in our society today, especially. Much of the news are lies. Some prefer the lies, because truth is inconvenient. I don't know why this subject has any uproar. I think 99.9% of people believe the earth is a globe, because it is.

The flat earth theory is an easy one to debunk, because of (1) scripture, and (2) God-given logic.

1. Bible calls the earth a circle. It didn't say it was a pancake or a snow half-globe. God never warned us not to go some places on the earth for fear of falling off?

2. God-given logic. I've never met someone who believes in a flat earth who has travelled the world. If you fly the same direction you end up back where you started and you started. People have sailed around the world. Ships and planes do this regularly. Seasons: seasons in northern hemisphere are opposite as southern hemisphere. Day/night are also different, consistent with rotation of globe towards sun. Obviously these things prove the earth is a globe, but if someone still isn't convinced, all you have to do is measure shadows. If earth was flat all shadows would be consistent throughout the world. All you have to do is facetime or do a zoom meeting with someone in different parts of the earth and measure shadows while you talk to them. At noon your shadow is different than at dusk and at night, obviously.

It's also odd how we can look at moon, sun, stars, and planets in space and they're all obviously spherical, but yet assume earth isn't also spherical. Tons of video photos.

So we already know the truth, but you're asking how can we know for sure as if the truth isn't already known. Praying to know the truth is a good idea in addition to using what God has already provided us. God bless.

Proverbs 20:3

"It is an honour for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling."

Chris,

You step beyond pleasant discussion into disputatious contention.

It is not helpful to those seeking to engage.

I say this in love. Please consider.

Chris, when Martha's brother, Lazarus, died what did Jesus say? Jesus said, "Lazarus is sleeping". Then, Jesus clarified, "Lazarus is dead". When Lazarus came back from the dead, did he complain? "Hey! I was having a great time in heaven! Why did you bring me back?". Did Lazarus tell everyone what he was doing in heaven? Where is Lazarus account of his time in heaven?

There isn't an account because Lazarus was sleeping.

You like to contend.

Valmar, Thank you! Yes and I agree! Such smart words! My heart is uplifted.

We are entering the time of trouble. I pray for all my fellow believers. Much love to you all.

Oh LORD,

make me hear of your love in the morning,

make me know the path I should walk,

teach me to do your will,

guide me on ground that is level.

Amen.

From psalms.

Hello all,

Here is a topic that is sure to get everyone on this forum in an uproar: the flat earth

Is the earth flat? When all eyes see Jesus return, how can that be unless the earth is flat? Is the Bible a flat earth book? The Tower of Babel was being built into the sky, and God stopped it. Is that because he gave the earth to man, but the heavens belong to him?

Is NASA run by free masons? Is outer space real? If all the astronauts are free masons, does that mean they were complicit? Did we really go into space? Was Capernicus a Catholic? Is there a conspiracy hiding the truth of our earthly home? Are they trying to hide God from us? God's calendar uses the moon, but the papal system switched all of us to the sun. Why?

So many questions. So many conspiracies. What the heck is going on? Who can know for sure?

LORD God, please help us know what is true. Lead us towards you, through the confusion. Amen.

1 Timothy 2:1-3; 2 Peter 3:9

Praying for the peace in Jerusalem.

GOD bless all on this forum.

November 20, 2023

Eduard54

Remember: Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of GOD- Romans 10:17. The Word is GOD, understand? Yes, the Word is the invisible GOD, self-executable. For example: The Word said: Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a VIRGIN shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

The Word said(the Word is GOD): Isaiah 9:6-7:

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with Judgment and with Justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. (By the way, GOD calleth those things which be not as though they were- Romans 4:17-understand? The Word is GOD, self-executing).

Have you never read Hebrews 11 ?

Hello Chris,

Well , happily for us, this question is not a salvific issue. The LORD gives all a free will to determine what's what.

May the LORD bless your continued studies. :)

Hello Ronald,

Please know that I am not ignoring you. And no, I am not offended at all. You have some questions but I am not sure if you are looking for me to answer any of them as you said these are questions that you have asked yourself. As you stated, we do have a different understanding on this topic.

Please let me know if you would like me to respond to any of these questions. Thanks!

God bless!!!

Hello Valmar. Rather than respond with several pages, I would ask this one thing: what was the purpose of God to send His Spirit to indwell those who truly repented & sought to follow Him & His Son Jesus? I note that you stated, "God made the way, Christ made the sacrifice and the Holy Spirit provides the ability or power for us to follow Christ daily, unless we choose otherwise." Do you then understand anything more of the Work of the Holy Spirit other than His enabling & power to follow Christ daily?

I sense that much of your comment centers around this understanding of the Spirit's Coming & Work, as it bears upon how a life is lived for Christ, the consequences of falling short, of retrieval/renewal, of learning through His Ministry, and of course in the view of the Old Testament, how the Spirit worked in those prior to Jesus' Sacrifice under the Mosaic Covenant. Blessings.

Hello again Jema,

I'm a bit confused here. You're beginning a new thread but it looks pretty much the same as the last one you began. In that thread you said that you do not like to debate. Out of respect for you, I told you that I would move on from that discussion.

So now here we are with a new thread started on the same subject. With these questions you're asking, is there a reason why you didn't just continue on in the last thread you started?

I am trying to figure out what exactly you are looking for? Are you putting these questions out and looking for answers, or are you presenting these things as this is the way it is, non-debatable?

I would like to answer a couple of your questions if that's okay. You ask, "Why is eternal torture in hell for the sinner / atheist etc , never mentioned in the Old Testament?"

You also ask, "why didn't God ever say to Moses : tell the children of Israel that if they don't obey me , after they have died , they will spend eternity in a torture chamber , run by satan and his minions , being tortured day and night for all eternity ?"

The answer to that is because there is no eternal torture chamber run by Satan and his minions. The Bible says nothing about an eternal torture chamber. To my knowledge, no one on this forum has ever mentioned anything about an eternal torture chamber.

The Bible does however speak of eternal punishment, eternal torment, and everlasting contempt.

To one of your other questions as to why, if we have the same scriptures, why do we believe different things? That is a great question. I mean, how dare any of us disagree with what the other person believes? If you and I have the same Bible, why are we in disagreement?

And yet, this question is not difficult to answer. Did you know that it is necessary that there be division in the church?

You are correct however that the Bible does not say anything about an eternal torture chamber. I do agree with you on that.