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I hope you don't mind me commenting further.
I understand that this is a discussion forum and it is good to lead off threads with topics that can lend well to discussion.
But also, sometimes the Spirit gives us discernment to lead a thread with a topic that He knows will not get much discussion. But the purpose is to just bring out topic or viewpoint that He wants said whether others respond or not, either affirming the view or disagreeing with it.
I do not often feel led to start off a thread, so I don't. I don't always feel led to respond to a post, so I don't. But oftentimes I do feel the Holy Spirit prompting me to respond, and I do. I try not to be in the discussion for myself, but for what the Holy Spirit desires. My viewpoint isn't what is important; obedience to the Spirit is. So, I try to do this His way.
I like to read what others post and think on what they write. Some I agree with wholeheartedy, others I disagree with wholeheartedly. Some I am undecided on and others are not pressing issues for me. Others are very concerning for me, such as when I read things that blaspheme God and His character, misrepresent who He is as revealed in Scripture, and also those things that are outright heresy. These bother me deeply and I must prayerfully respond to what has been stated while continuing to pray and care for the person who stated something that is very wrong and dangerous to other believers.
All in all, I have learned a great deal, have needed to study Scripture more closely on some topics to discover what is really being taught in Scriptures, and am encouraged that so many people truly have a passion for knowing God, His truth, and His will.
Just wondering how speaking your view on divorce and remarriage would get you booted off this forum? Would it be from others reporting to admin your post? I am not sure how this forum works regarding that. When I read so many posts that promote obvious heretical doctrines concerning God and His nature, Jesus and His nature and work, and deification of man and these do not get taken down, how would someone who disapproves of remarriage after divorce for believers be worthy of censure?
I guess I would hope that people on here would not be so quick to want to silence viewpoints on here or other forums. We, as believers, need to be responsible in learning the major tenets of the Christian faith and stand firm on those, being willing to address heretical doctrines. But when it comes to topics that are not core Christian beliefs, we should be gracious and speak our minds on what we believe even when it is not the same view as another poster and not be slandered, have our maturity in Christ or trueness of our conversion be questioned. Everyone has topics that they are quite sensitive on and we should recognize these topics for ourselves so that we will resolve to approach a differing view with kindness and calmness.
The topic of OSAS is not a cardinal doctrine in my view as there are many differing views that can have biblical support for these views. They are not false teachings but what is termed heterodoxy. While I do think that the doctrine of the Second Coming of Christ is a cardinal doctrine, meaning it is clearly taught in Scripture. But the teaching on the Rapture is not a cardinal doctrine. It has not been taught consistently throughout the centuries and is not explicitly taught in Scriptures. So disagreeing on this topic is one that can be permitted as long was we do not beat each other up over it. It tends to be a topic that gets people hot under the collar, but it isn't such for me.
Let's do everything in love.
Thanks for the response. Appreciated.
I do share your view on divorce and remarriage pretty much. I think there are exceptions, especially between people when one spouse abandons the marriage for someone else. It seems Jesus gives this exception. But it is not necessarily a blanket endorsement for people to rush into another relationship when this happens. God will lead such people in the way they should go.
In most churches I am aware of pastors approve of divorce and remarriage for any reason and gladly performs such remarriages. some pastors and members say that as long as one repents of the first sexual encounter as adultery then all relations after that are o.k. and not ongoing adultery. I guess they do not know how preposterous this sounds. If one murders another and repents, then, according to their reasoning, this person can habitually kill other people after that and it is not sinful or murder. Or, if one has one abortion, and then repents, then they can continue to have abortions whenever they wish and it is not sinful or killing another person. I could go on and on giving absurd examples of this reasoning. But people will say that remarriage is different than other sins. I ask "How" and they usually cannot give me an answer.
With all of this said, I think that people who find themselves in a marriage that is failing are in such a hurtful and vulnerable place. And when the divorce does happen, then it is very difficult for some to face the rest of their lives as a single person. But I believe God will give the grace to any who wish to live obediently to what the Lord has commanded on this subject. But it may be a difficult road to travel.
My big question would be: "What do we do about those who have remarried against the Lord's command?"
You probably know that I espouse covenant as well as dispensational viewpoints; I see free will as not contradicting predestination as God works through things just like; for example he did with Judas to accomplish His purposes. And of course a certain number will be saved and damned in the end; which God foreknew even if it wasn't what they call "double predestination" for someone to be lost.
What I am really interested in is whatever discernment the Lord has given me into the spiritual dimension. It leads me to say things that are not readily understood and I have never attempted to grow in that area largely because it isn't the most popular gift to have. Also of course we all want to be ready whenever we get to the time we are to be absent from the body or Christ comes for His church.
Again your comments on God's attributes and such..I am finishing my Zechariah study then will try to delve into your suggestions. It seems there are less questions of late; at least of significance-not sure if it is a trend. Finding it header; therefore to delve into topics people are interested in. I'm trying to include things I learn from news; my church and personal stories. I have a particular calling in terms of speaking out against divorce and remarriage from personal experience when a spouse is still alive. Since being dogmatic could take me off this forum; maybe you could pray where I can find a venue for it.
Guess I won't say anymore here God has made this clear to me though as a calling.
Agape Rich P
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We have had this discussion several times already. In my post I just wanted to point out that the Spirit of God is mentioned in many places in the OT.
Otherwise, I do not wish to engage with you in this conversation further.
We are all individuals and susceptible to sin's temptations in our own ways. No one is exempt whether man or women. Christian women may be susceptible in ways that unbelieving women are not. And Christian men may be susceptible in ways that unbelieving men are not. And visa-versa. Christian men may be susceptible in ways that Christian women are not. And visa-versa. I agree that we should not make sweeping generalizations and judgments about people we do not know well and personally.
I appreciate your commitment to having us treat one another with kindness and good intentions on here. I, too, share that commitment. Thanks again and be blessed.
I have been reading this thread. I do agree that women are impressionable. But men, too, are impressionable. We both are equally corrupted by the sinful nature. So I see that it does not serve a BIG purpose to single out women as susceptible to sin when Adam freely ate, being just as susceptible to sin. He was led into sin by Eve and Eve was led into sin by Satan. Since both gave into sin's temptations, does it matter who led them into sin? I think it could have easily been the other way around with Adam being deceived by Satan, eating first and then leading Eve into eating.
There have been many honorable women in the Bible. Hannah, Deborah, Ruth, Anna, Elizabeth, Mary, Mary Magdella, Salome, Martha, Lydia, Dorcus, Demaris, Phoebe are so named. Peter's mother opened her house to believers.
We should honor women and men who served the Lord well either in Scripture or in history, in our families and in our fellowships. The same should be for men who do the same.
in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave or free, male or female, but all are one in Christ Gal. 3:28.Every believer shouid submit to God and His doctrines taught in Scriptures, men and women alike.
I realize that you are emphasizing the Scriptural reason for women to submit to their husbands and not be in positions of pastors and teachers over men. You have made this point very clear so I do not think there is much reason to continue emphasizing it here unless you are looking for an argument.
I must say though that you are wrong to judge Jema's commitment to the Lord or level of spiritual maturity based on this conversation. You do not know her heart, only God does. And since, we are to speak to one another what we truly know is truth, then we should refrain from evaluate others relationship with the Lord unless someone is clearly advocating heresy, which she is not.
Jim Miller, I have enjoyed reading your posts and I encourage you to continue to post your ideas on topics here.
We also see Lebanon and the wicked in Israel described; likely part of the 2/3 perishing in chapter 13. (verses 1-4). The forest could symbolically represent people; also of course there will be literal burnings of one third of the trees in the Trumpet judgments. Verses 5 and 6 of course could be speaking of the Diaspora and mass starvation during the Roman invasion and massacre of AD 70. The king mentioned in verse 6 could be the final Antichrist. Verses 9-10 show destruction coming to the land; and Verse 11 shows how the poor understand about the covenant being broken. This would imply the new covenant under Christ perhaps with shades of Isaiah 61:1 with the Good News to the poor. Symbolic terms are used here for the old covenant (Beauty and bands). Of course we also see the prophetic 30 pieces of silver which is sarcastically mentioned as what was considered Christ's worth. The field of a potter was determined for "blood money" once Judas repented of what he did (which was to avoid consequences not to seek forgiveness from God Himself), He hung himself; and later his bowels fell out. (verse 12-13; Acts 1:18). We must keep in mind that later verses describe God dealing with Israel then judging the nations that attacked them at the end of the Book of Zechariah.
Clearly the final Antichrist is mentioned here as well as the injury to his right arm and eye. (verses 15-17). This is the "worthless shepherd" and reminds us of verses in John 5:43 of another coming in his own name who they will worship.
If I understand your question well you are asking why there is so much violence in the Bible including God's actions. Firstly for what people do God can not be held accountable for. But often people see a violent God, especially in the Old Testament, forgetting that God is a Judge who judges people and nations righteously. Sodom and Gommorah and surrounding villages were destroyed by God. People may see that as an action of violence by God. But how could God judge and punish those people? He didn't create mankind for people to go down the deepest sins ever existed. When the state/people is punishing criminals why is it surprising that God acts similarly? People want a righteous and mercyful God but them themselves are in no mood to be righteous and mercyful. They wish a God who loves them but they don't wish to love others. They wish a God who takes care of all people in our planet but them themselves don't care at all if people die of starvation in other places of the world. They actually wish a God who loves and takes care of all their needs while them themselves go down the deepest deapths of sin and devour all the others for their own benefit.
It is true that we don't have answers to every question but we can rely on that we believe in a rightous God who is determined to reward but also to punish. In the present time humanity enjoys the mercy and the grace of God who calls every single human to accept the gift of eternal salvation, it is free, we just have to accept it, so lets take advantage of that and go get the free gift of salvation that He offers before the door is closed. GBU
>Hahahaha nervous and impressionable ! Hahahaha , he's not met me or any woman I've ever met ! Thanks for that good giggle >:)
What hubris!
You underestimate your enemy! 1 Peter 5:8 (KJV) 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
How we react to the LORD'S pointing out our sins and iniquities will determine our future blessings in HIM.
Our nation is in dire need of the LORD'S wisdom. Let we who are saved and active in the work of our SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST be like Daniel and pray diligently and faithfully. Let us show the power of the LORD in everything we do in HIS name.
GOD to shine HIS face on all who are obedient and faithful to HIM. HIS glorious blessings are available to all who trust and obey in HIS word.
Praise the LORD for the faithfulness of the brethren on this forum.
September 20, 2023
I ask for strength for you all for He is faithful. They that wait upon the Lord!
Never give up, keep praying and seeking
His Kingdom. God bless you.
I ask all your needs be met, for yes He is a God of perfect Love. Trusting Him and waiting on Him through prayer, and does hear you. Stand strong in Him.
The great tribulation ( Matthew 24:21)
The Day of the Lord ( Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2)
Trouble or tribulation ( Deuteronomy 4:30)
The time of Jacob's troubles ( Jeremiah 30:7)
Toward the end of Daniel's life, he has a vision described in Daniel 12.
"At that time Michael shall stand up, the great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, every one who is found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness like the stars forever and ever."- Daniel 12:1-3
From this passage, we know that
Unprecedented, troubling times are on the way.
There will be some who will awake to "everlasting life."
There will be some who will awake to "shame and everlasting contempt."
Those who are wise will shine.
A further study of this passage and the 7-year tribulation reveals more about the troubling times and who will awake to everlasting life and who will awake to everlasting contempt.
Everlasting life is given by those who trust in Jesus for their salvation.
Everlasting contempt is given to those who do not trust Jesus.
The Words of the LORD are pure Words. Every Word of God is pure. The word (every) is #3605; it means the whole, all, any or every, to complete, (make) perfect.
(Every) Word of God is Perfect!
The words (Holy Ghost) only show up in the New Testament GiGi.
Which of these are perfect GiGi?
The KJB ( Col 1:14) "In whom we have redemption through his blood"
The Nasb "in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins"
The Niv "in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins"
The Nlt "who purchased our freedom, and forgave our sins"
Only one of these verses are perfect GiGi, can you not see that?
The other three verses fall into ( Jer 23:36) The word (perverted) is #2015; it means to change or overturn.
Why would modern versions pervert, or CHANGE the words of the living God and remove the words "through his blood"?
Would you please answer this question GiGi.
Blessings to you GiGi.
SHOWING
MAN HIS DUTY
AND POINTING
HIM TO THE PRINCIPLE OF GOD IN HIS HEART ,
-WHICH IS
THE ROOT OF LIFE IN ALL ITS DISPENSATIONS, AND WHICH, BEING KEPT TO, IS ABLE TO BEAR THE FRUIT OF LIFE IN EVERY DISPENSATION-- Issac Peningtion 1662
THE goodness of God endureth for ever. And though his creature man (who should have been subject and obedient to him) hath sinned against him, and by motions and inclinations of his own will and wisdom (out of the principle of his pure life, which was to have been his guide and governor) hath fallen short of his glory; yet he still pleaseth to visit his poor lost creature with loving-kindness and mercy, and with various dispensations of his life, according to his pleasure. What man is there that hath not received a soul from the breath of the Almighty? And what soul is it that hath not some visitations of life from that living breath? The bowels of eternity most naturally roll towards all its offspring; who seeketh the gathering of them all in the variety, and according to the limitations of his will, in his pure wisdom.
There is a current or stream of life before the promise is known, which secretly visits all, discovering the darkness in some measure unto all, and drawing from it. And happy is he who falls in with, and follows the leadings of the Almighty here; for then he cannot abide in the darkness, but still (according to the need of his condition) will meet with a true guide out of it, and with the true power which redeemeth and delivereth from it. For as the promise made to Adam, had relation to all his posterity; so whoever is visited with any light by virtue of the promise, that light will lead him to the promise, and he (in the obedience thereof) will meet with the sweetness and virtue of the promise. So that the lowest dispensation of God (the creature being exercised therein, feeling the want of God's power, and drawn to depend upon him for mercy and strength) will lead fallen man back again to his Maker, by the virtue which flows into man from the promise, though ever so secretly and hiddenly. For it is not the distinct knowledge of the promise, (though that is a very great advantage) but the virtue flowing from the promise, which saves. Man being touched by that virtue, and by the touch thereof quickened towards God; and in that virtue which comes from the redeeming mercy, cleaving to his Maker, and hoping in his tender bowels, and
feeling the weakness, insufficiency, and corruption of his own will and understanding, and so going forth from himself towards the spring which quickened him. Here is Christ known in spirit, received in spirit, believed and relied on in spirit, and his living virtue already felt, and further waited for. And can this man, thus walking, thus believing, thus obeying, thus cleaving to the principle which gives life, thus receiving virtue from it, and growing up (in that virtue) out of the self-hood, into it; I say, can this man miss of eternal life, which runs along in all the streamings forth of this living virtue?
But oh, how sweet is the stream of life in the sensible manifestation of the promise! He who feels the covenant in Christ, and life streaming into his heart through the covenant, and the seal of eternal peace to his soul, and that he shall never be left nor forsaken by the fountain of mercy, but all that ever befalls him shall conduce towards the working out of the perfect redemption and salvation of his soul; this is a precious state indeed; and this is the state which the feeling of the faith, and the living obedience in the Spirit leads to. Happy are they that walk in the path thereof, who content not themselves with man's knowledge of Christ, with man's belief of the things written concerning him, with man's obedience to the precepts left on record by the apostles, but whose living soul cannot be satisfied without the feeling and pressing after Christ, the life, and without a true engrafting into him in spirit, through the living Word, or testimony of life, received into, and believed on in the heart.
And how sweet also is the ministration of the law, which comes from the promise, and is managed to the soul by the hand of the Mediator! How sweet is it to see the creature fall daily! to find one's own strength to believe, to obey, to suffer, to abide with Christ, to wait on Christ, to hope for Christ, daily battered and brought to nothing, and no life left but what issues from the spring, and is alone maintained by the free current thereof into the heart daily! Here the stroke of the law is received by degrees unto perfect death. Here are the openings of the pure prophecies in the Spirit concerning a new kingdom, a new birth, a new heir, a new life. Here is the axe laid to the root of the tree, and that cut down in the heart which is not to live, and which hinders the heir from his inheritance. Here is the vale of tears; which tears spring from the life, whose virtue washeth away the corruptible day by day. Here is the house of mourning, and that state of darkness entered into, which swallows up all the joy of the dark, earthly spirit, and consumes its nature. Here the light of life is sown, and through these exercises it springs up; and after the passing away of this ministration, breaks forth in strength upon that soul which hath been thoroughly exercised herein.
I have said often that there are either fake human manifestations regarding the five senses; or demonic events; or true experiences from the Spirit. Your point is interesting that emotions can be involved with some of these gifts; but isolated without the Spirit or making the feelings be a priority over the Holiness of God gets us into trouble and opens the door for deception at some point. To have no emotion of course means our hearts are cold and we are in danger like the Ephesians were in Revelation 3 and risk having the church fall apart.
I have noticed today that rebuke is almost nonexistant; and this can be because of sloppy leadership in church; lack of discernment or love which prompts us in the Spirit to challenge ourselves first then others. Encouraging words such as truthful statements of how we see the Spirit working in someone is probably sorely lacking today as well; hard to remember the last time I heard it myself. As is often the case as I see it human familiarity and friendships can be a large detractor from effective moves of the Spirit; and sometimes someone from the outside is able to more effectively discern and give words of knowedge (often of course taken as an insult or brushed aside). Tact is important; of course but can't overrule God's truth getting out.
I would say that genuine prayer; and godly music with praise are necessary prerequisites for the Spirit to move. Too often something as seemingly insignificant as gossip can upend what the Spirit is attemptiong to do and quench it. People need to be serious in the house of God. Perhaps I should do a series on this subject?
Let me know.
I appreciate your online friendship and prayers. Am finally getting to work next week so probably will be busier and post less often. Hoping to continue to be a witness to my boss as well as another worker and others there.
I hope your husband is able to pray with you and maybe has some ideas here as well.
Looking forward to seeing your next post.
Rich P
I haven't forgotten you in Christ
Jeremiah 31:3
I don't advocate the studing of the letter, for these reasons,
it's takes away from Holy Spirit as our Teacher
in the Apostasy in became rely on as God definitive rule to know Him
it has become a form of knowledge without the power,
in man's ungenerated nature, he going to naturally reject the suffering of picking up the Cross & denying self.
Yet, he deceives himself by thinking he can still follow Christ. Pacifying himself with wearing the cross around his neck, along with his beloved sins in his heart.
With that being said, an a added encouragement it can be a help while we"re in our weaker state, if Holy Spirit is our Teacher & Guide who will lead us into all Truth, again emphasising The Living Word of God heard in our heart, Grace appearance. John 1:9
In Titus 3:5 "washing of regeneration & renewing in the Holy Spirit" define as
(spiritual) rebirth (the state or the act), i.e. (figuratively) spiritual renovation; specially, Messianic restoration --"moral renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God, a radical change of mind for the better" effected in baptism, Commonly, however, the word denotes the restoration of a thing to its pristine state, its renovation, as the renewal or restoration of life after death.
The death speaking of here is Rom 6:3-6 the consummation of Matt 3:12 being raise in the newness of His Life, "ye must be born again"
Therefore 2Cor 7:1
You are correct, at one time I was the son of perdition.
1 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel, even Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Have you come to this truth.
God Bless YOU!
Traditionally, many artistic representations and depictions of the crucifixion show Jesus nailed through his hands. However, some scholars and medical experts have suggested that crucifixion through the palms of the hands would not have been as effective in supporting the weight of the body on the cross, as the nails could easily rip through the flesh due to the lack of solid support.
It's worth noting that the Roman practice of crucifixion likely varied over time and in different regions, and the specific methods used may have differed. Some researchers argue that crucifixion victims were more likely to be nailed through the wrists, as this would provide more structural support and reduce the risk of the nails tearing through the flesh. In this view, the term "hands" in the Gospel accounts may have been used more generically to refer to the wrists and the area where the hand meets the forearm.
Ultimately, the historical evidence is not conclusive, and the precise details of how Jesus Christ the son of God was nailed during the crucifixion may never be definitively known. Different interpretations and beliefs exist on this matter, but the theological significance of the crucifixion is not dependent on the specific anatomical details.
I would also like to add that NEVER in all of Roman history did anyone ever survive a Roman crucifixion. They were very good at what they did highly trained killers.