Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 176

I think the 10 commandments apply- obviously the argument that since Jesus it's ok to do "whatever" is a weak argument, because that would then mean its ok to kill people, lie, have affairs, etc. Few people argue that those 10 commandments no longer apply, but the sabbath one. I don't think Col 2:16 means that its now ok to commit whatever sin you want. That's not what the verse means.

To me the sabbath can be confusing, because its somewhat tied to Jewish culture, and there are a few verses like this below that Jesus said that makes it possibly "appear" less important...

"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:" Mark 2:27 KJV

Also the people accused Jesus of breaking the sabbath like by healing people, etc. Jesus's answer:

"Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?" Luke 6:9 KJV

Jesus didn't say the sabbath no longer applies, but he seemed to push back on people criticizing him for doing good on that day. They were extremely accusatory and hypocritical and Jesus tried to clarify what the sabbath was for, that its ok to do good, and to put the Pharisees in their place. That is my current short interpretation.

This scripture is true. Let's analyze it.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Romans 8:1 KJV

No condemnation for who? "to them which are in Christ Jesus"

How about those who aren't really "in" Christ Jesus, but just familiar. Maybe someone's "saved" 30 years ago and inactive since? Maybe doing worldly things here and there, but hey we're all sinners, right? Maybe I'm just following the holy spirit, so its not my fault for indulging in sin sometimes, right?" [satan's deception]

"no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh"

"I'm still saved if I walk after the flesh though, right?"

"who walk not after the flesh"

This is a qualifier. It doesn't say there's no condemnation to anyone and everyone. It also says those who walk not after the flesh. Those who aren't actively, intentionally sinning. Sinning is turning your back on God. Sinning is like slapping Jesus in the face. Satan is trying to convince Christians that the law doesn't apply, that it's ok to sin. It's not ok. Sin leads to death and still will without Jesus. That is not a license to sin, however. Following Jesus means being a "slave" to righteousness- an intentional effort to take Jesus seriously and truly follow Him. Many say it, few do it. Just because you strive for righteousness and strive to walk in Jesus's example does not mean you're trying to earn heaven. This is the number one straw man argument people keep repeating over and over. Some even take it to the extreme where they say God doesn't want you to obey Him. "It's bad to obey God, and good to NOT obey Him." Who does that sound like?

Some cherry pick scripture and ignore the following and obedience part. We're still saved by grace.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Matthew 5:17 KJV

"not come to destroy"

Luke 6:46 - real followers obey

I bought a nice one from Wal Mart. I'm sure you can find them on Amazon or through Christian book dealers. God bless.

Greetings in Christ JESUS S Spencer

Yes, JESUS is our Kinsman redeemer. But according to the Word of GOD, there is a great mystery.

There are actually two redeemers: the main Redeemer and a secondary or subordinate redeemer.

The main Redeemer ( Ruth 4:4) is a Jew -JESUS- of course. Who is the other secondary redeemer or subordinate to the main redeemer, as revealed in Ruth chapter 4? And what is the inheritance of each of the redeemers? By the way, the secondary redeemer told the chief Redeemer-JESUS: What day thou buyest the field of the hand of Naomi, thou must buy it also of Ruth the Moabitess,... And the kinsman said, I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I mar MINE OWN inheritance: redeem thou MY RIGHT to thyself; for I cannot redeem it. Therefore the kinsman said unto the secondary redeemer, Buy it for thee. (Great mystery)

Job 19:25-29

25 I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the LATTER DAY upon the earth(that is the seventh and last Day or seventh and last milennium, the millennium of Christ and of the Judgment Seat of Christ)

26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see GOD:

27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another...

29 Be ye afraid of the Sword: for wrath bringeth the punishments of the Sword, that ye may know there is a Judgment.

Revelation 11:18 - 18 And the NATIONS were (will be) angry, and thy wrath is come(GOD's wrath comes), and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest DESTROY them which destroy the earth. (This prophecy will fulfill LITERALLY from now on. Get ready you all)

Romans 8:1-4 (KJV)

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The Mark of the Beast is about who you will worship, Jesus (our Saviour and Creator of all things) or Satan (the Beast power). It has to do with what you think and your actions.

It cannot have anything to do with the covid shot. Even the childhood vaccines have aborted DNA debris in them and this too adds someone's DNA into your body and your stem cells readily take the DNA into them.

Thank you brother S. Spencer for those very pertinent Scriptures relating to the subject at hand. They indeed show the total inadequacy of the Old Law to both save or to gain God's Favor. And if may add, that this time-bound Old Law given to Israel was even revealed in the OT, where there should have been an expectation in Israel that 'something better' was yet to come from the God of Israel.

We can also look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers....After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." And this Scripture is referred to in Hebrews 8:6-13.

There was nothing wrong with the words of the old Law; it simply pointed to their inability to keep it & to the coming Messiah Who could keep it perfectly thus fulfilling it - and through His Death & Resurrection, ushered in God's New Covenant "making the first old - ready to vanish away". And vanish it did, through the Blood of this Everlasting Covenant. Maybe, we should focus our thoughts on how the Holy Spirit given to us, enables us to obey ALL of God's Commandments, not by the letter, but in very specific guidance & provokings in our hearts, as the child of God allows the Spirit to fill his life completely. When we do trust in the Holy Spirit to do this, then there would be no need for recourse to the Law that only brought death.

Funny how the one commandment that begins with "remember", we are being taught to forget. Yes, makes perfect sense.

No Gentile was ever commanded to keep the Sabbath. The law was given to the Jewish nation only ( Ex 31:13). Although God Himself rested on the seventh day, He did not command anyone else to do so until He gave the law to the children of Israel.

Paul does not distinguish between the moral law and the ceremonial law. Rather, he insists that the law is a complete unit, and that a curse rests on those who seek to attain righteousness by it, yet fail to keep it all.

Nine of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the NT as moral instruction for the children of God. They deal with things that are inherently right or wrong. The one commandment which is omitted is the law of the Sabbath. The keeping of a day is not inherently right or wrong. There is no instruction to Christians to keep the Sabbath. Rather the Scripture distinctly states that the Christian cannot be condemned for failing to keep it! ( Col 2:16).

Newness of life by the Spirit.

Part 3.

Romans 7:15-25.

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Philippians 3:7-11.

But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have

suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the

righteousness which is of God by faith:

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

The law was given to Israel, but it wasn't to make them Holy.

It was given to show the world that it was necessary for a new birth in Christ Jesus.

God bless.

Newness of life by the Spirit.

Part 2.

Romans 7:7-9

What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11.

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Romans 7:10-14.

And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

See Part 3

Newness of life, by the Spirit.

Part 1

Romans 7:1-5

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Wherefore, my brethren, YE ALSO ARE BECOME DEAD TO THE LAW BY THE BODY OF CHRIST; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For WHEN WE WERE in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to BRING FORTH FRUIT UNTO DEATH.

( The law shows us we have a fleshly nature that is fallen and incapable of bringing forth fruit unto God.)

Galatians 3:21-25.

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Romans 7:6.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

See Part 2.

Brother Dan, I am sorry you feel that way.

You wrote "Yes it is the 4th Commandment. Regarding the Sabbath scripturally, this is directly from God."

There are several scriptures here that do not lend support to your position regarding Christians having to maintain the Sabbath. Not to mention the entire book of Galatians weighing in on the law.

Colossians 2:16 (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

2 Corinthians 3:7-11 (AMP)

7 Now if the dispensation of death engraved in letters on stone [the ministration of the Law], was inaugurated with such glory and splendor that the Israelites were not able to look steadily at the face of Moses because of its brilliance, [a glory] that was to fade and pass away,

8 Why should not the dispensation of the Spirit [this spiritual ministry whose task it is to cause men to obtain and be governed by the Holy Spirit] be attended with much greater and more splendid glory?

9 For if the service that condemns [the ministration of doom] had glory, how infinitely more abounding in splendor and glory must be the service that makes righteous [the ministry that produces and fosters righteous living and right standing with God]!

10Indeed, in view of this fact, what once had splendor [the glory of the Law in the face of Moses] has come to have no splendor at all, because of the overwhelming glory that exceeds and excels it [the glory of the Gospel in the face of Jesus Christ].

11 For if that which was but passing and fading away came with splendor, how much more must that which remains and is permanent abide in glory and splendor!

Also, Romans 8:1-4 (KJV)

Amen Jcubria.

The important thing to note about dying in Christ is the Resurrection.

We have eternal life NOW!

And we walk in that newness of life, empowered by the Holyspirit.

Romans 6:3-8.

Paul says in Phillipines 3:10-11. That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

This is for believers ONLY.

God bless

Hi Carleton,

Evidently, we are handling the word of truth. 'Thy word is truth'. God fashioned all hearts alike, and tries their works. Ps.33:15. And it is faith with works that completes the transaction between God and man. "If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them."( John 13:17)

Romans 13:8 (KJV) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath FULFILLED THE LAW.

Again I repeat!

Romans 13:8 (KJV) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath FULFILLED THE LAW.

Could this be what Paul who was moved and inspired by the indwelling Holy Spirit meant by loveth?

Acknowledge that love is a COMMAND (Ro 13:8-10).

Agree that you have the spiritual resources to love others as God loves you (Ro 5:5).

Understand that loving others is normal Christian behavior ( 1Jn 4:7-10).

Realize that love is the Spirit's work (Ga 5:22).

Be fervent in your love for others ( 1Pe 1:22; 4:8).

Godly love should be our highest purpose and greatest joy ( Mt 22:36-40). As you love others, you glorify Christ and make Him known to the world.

Yet, there is "Holy hatred?" If you love good, you hate evil. If you love unity, you hate discord. If you love God, you hate Satan. That's why Scripture says, "Hate evil, you who love the Lord." ( Ps 97:10)

Christ nailed the laws and sabbaths to the cross! We are done with circumcision and uncircumcision. As Christians, we need to circumcise our hearts, live by faith, and love others as the Lord loved us and gave himself for us.

William MacDonald wrote [ 1Corinthians 7:19

As far as the essence of Christianity is concerned, circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. What really counts is keeping the commandments of God. In other words, God is concerned with what is INWARD, not with what is OUTWARD. The relationships of life need not be violently forsaken by the entrance of Christianity. Rather, in the Christian faith, the believer is RAISED to a position where he is superior to all circumstances.] "Believer's Bible Commentary". Marion, IA: Laridian, Inc., 2021.

All this is one interpretation it doesn't mean there isn't room for others.

Hi Jordyn, Our Glory, is that we died in the Cross.

Thank you Gigi.

God bless you.

Amen Ronald.

Ww both agree on that!

Christ is our Kinsman redeemer.

God bless

Yes, Carleton,

The gospel preached has the power to save those who have been lost in sin and unbelief.

Jesus ushered in His kingdom when He began His ministry and His kingdom is everlasting, available to all who are called according to His will and purpose. Yet we still await His second and last appearing when He will crush all enemies of those who oppose Him, then will He deliver all He has to the Father so that everything in heaven and on earth will come to the ordained outcome of victory and dominion without any enemies to oppress the saints anymore. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Can't wait to the time when God brings His kingdom to earth where He will dwell with man forever. ( Rev. 21:1-7)

Very nice Bennymkje! I have had many of the same thoughts!

Thank you!

Hello Priday,

Tribulation is to be seen as spread over the day that God decreed for the Son.(Ps.2:7) In Matt.24 Jesus refers to the time period,"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be"(24:21-22) But for the elect's sake " those days shall be shortened.". God called us before the worlds began and we all are elects-in-waiting.We are to make our election sure.

The Spirit makes us of 'sevens' to distribute salvation of judgment which are pendent to the word sent forth. (Is.55:11) It is in these connection we have Jerusalem where 'our Lord was crucified' equated spiritually with Egypt, Sodom. (Re.11:8) Seven seals, breaking of each is consequential. Jesus Christ is shown riding out on the white horse and we meet him in Re.19 as the Word of God. The second horseman on a red horse tells the origin of wars from the first skirmish to this climacteric battle, "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army./And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him,"(Re.19:19-20) This great army is explained in detail in Ez.37." these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold,"(v.11) It is from ' the whole' house of Israel meaning saints redeemed from the earth or the elect. "Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live."(37:9) The outpouring of the Spirit tells we are looking at the church rather and the ministry of reconciliation.

The great tribulation in whichever form it may come is of no consequence for those who abide in Christ. They are set in heavenly places and their lives are hid in him. (Col.3:3-4)

Separating waters from above (1:7) is a similar action to what is mentioned in v.4. In order to understand this we need to see the two worlds which were framed by the word of God.(He.11:3) Waters from above indicate the invisible quality of God. Mercy of God is not seen but in the world made to appear it is seen as rain for instance. "for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."(Ge.2:8) Blessing always come from the greater to the lesser. God blessed man and there was nothing in the two worlds framed by God. Invisible God blessed man in his Son. "According to the good pleasure of his will' St Paul says in Ep.1:3-6). Waters below the firmament is grace while waters above is mercy. "Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ"

Another important point to remember is that God named heaven earth and seas."And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas."(1:8-10) Such naming establishes God as the Lord God, acknowledging his sovereignty over them. Heaven declares the glory accordingly. (Ps.19:1)

Light and darkness are same to God, the Father of lights. (Ps.139:12) God sent the Son who is the true Light. By separating light from darkness He has revealed his Will. Thus there are only two nations, where inheritance of children of light is determined by the Son. The other nation refers to the heathen, the children of darkness

Dan

Yes , JESUS said about His commandments: What are them?

Jcubria:

Did you die on the cross?

interesting...I know about the old English spellings, but I looked at another KJV and saw the word was spelled "thoroughly".

That's why I was questioning. I've seen other differences of that type (other verses than this one) between various KJV copies from different publishers. I was just curious.

Thank you for replying so quickly!

Have a great day, my brother.

Hello Pete,

In order to understand the creation account it is a simple matter of following the Spirit who organized it as the God document. 2 Ti.3:16 The Bible is God breathed. God breathing into man made him a living soul, So we shall do well to compare spiritual with spiritual. "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."(1 Co.2:13)

The first chapter of Genesis is the abstract of the worlds framed by the word of God. Jesus Christ as the visible image of the invisible God. It is thus we view faith as the only manner the invisible aspects of God we may cultivate. He.11:3 By faith God framed the worlds. Jesus Christ as the Word become flesh we receive by faith. In the fulness of time so St Paul refers to his Advent ("But when the fulness of the time was come"-Gal.4:4)

When the Spirit begins the Book of Genesis 'In the beginning' refers to a timescale which has nothing to do with earth time. It is the will of God so we either accept it totally or deny it. There was no human will or reason to interpret it arbitrarily. The Bible is inerrant. The focus is solely on the Son who was sent for a purpose. God blessed us with all spiritual blessings even before the worlds we created. (Ep.1:3) The Word was God. ( John 1:1) This verse also begins with 'In the beginning'. There is also 'end times'.

David0921, we have already discussed at length, both correct Bible hermeneutics & the salvation of souls, both pre and post Cross. And as you've stated several times before, "we must compare Scripture with Scripture, etc, etc.".

Here we have Luke 16:19-31, a passage where there seems no other Scripture in the Bible that lends support/complements it, with such graphic detail. In your application of the principles you've suggested, what would you do with such a passage in Luke 16, when there is no other related teaching or other verses? The choices I see are: accept what Jesus spoke, as a one-off account of life after death pre-Cross; rewrite the verse to bring it into line with other verses that speak of the after-life; or, reject the passage altogether & read it as just another story/parable of Jesus that isn't intended to describe a real-life event.

To use your principle, that there 'must be other Scriptures relating to each other so as to form a belief/doctrine', I would reject that passage & never refer to it at all. I wouldn't even quote it as a parable, as it doesn't fulfil the definition of a parable. Therefore, not wanting to take such a drastic action, I'm forced to do something else with the passage; and that 'something' is to accept Jesus' Words as Truth & the events declared as real, since I won't accept that Jesus was intentionally deceptive when speaking about the fate of certain people for the purposes of a sharing a story/parable. But you're right about a 'divergence of doctrines by the churches'; just look at the LDS Church & 1 Corinthians 15:29: this is an example of a major departure from the Truth.

Jcubria

The scripture below is truth, and it convicts all those that believe as you.

1 John 2: "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Matthew 19:17 "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

Revelation 22:14"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

Jesus spoke to apostle John in this verse above in Revelation 22:14 approximately 60 years after His death on the cross, and about 18 years after apostle Pauls death. Jesus knew what Paul preached, and he preached the same gospel as Christ! Paul did not cancel any of God's commandments, he and all of the apostles followed them during their lives. Do you really believe you are favored over and above Christ and His apostles, they followed the Commandments but now you and others today feel you don't have to. Really.

Lastly, I do not believe we can continue this discussion as your beliefs conflict with the scripture, and your popular modern day take on salvation 2Tim 4:3 is only deceiving to those that are not living in God's Spirit. 1 John 3:24 God's Salvation is not a buffet to pick and choose what scripture that you believe, and what scripture you will ignore!

I pray that God's Spirit will eventually convict you, and some others here, to actually pick up your cross and follow Christ, which will result in obedience, and a desire to follow Gods Commandments, and turn away from this sinful and deceived world. Matt 16:24

Dan

Yes , JESUS said about His commandments: What are them?