Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 18

  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Memorial in heaven- The Angel of His presence. (3 of 3)

    In the inaugural vision the four living creatures appeared to Ezekiel, Looking up it showed the prophet over them "was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it." God was on the throne but still He rode upon the wings of the wind in a manner of speaking. Ps.104:3-4

    How he executes justice and judgment is illustrated by the living creatures. The important point is to note the man and angel nexus. Without heaven and heaven being in agreement no scale can be applied to determine the righteousness of God. The Angel of his presence is represented by cherubim in the second vision. The number four denotes the Word as the Law. It is thus the holy city of God is measured in Re.21:17

    "As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle."(Ez.1:10) We are shown the same with slight alternations, in Ch.10. "And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle./ And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar."(10:14-15).

    We see the angel appearing to the parents of Samson and to Gideon. "And the angel of the Lord said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?" (Jud.13:18) Yet the children of Belial would want to put names over what the Holy Spirit has chose not to reveal. Holy Spirit as tongues of fire point out to the rapture. "For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the Lord ascended in the flame of the altar." (13:20)
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Memorial in heaven-Wings (2 of 3)

    " For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." ( John 1:170 Recalling the Ps.89 quote gives us mercy and truth going 'before thy face." Taken together we are witnessing here the spirit of Christ which are symbolised by eyes."And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."(Re.5:6) Ezekiel also gives us the vision of God, "And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above."(1:22). 'The terrible crystal' evokes the sea glass on which the throne was set in Re.4.

    Coming back to the memorial we know the six wings of the four beasts shall never change. The four living creatures testify that th Law of Moses shall be replaced by grace and truth with the Advent of Jesus Christ. This is reinforced by the night vision of Daniel, "The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked"(Dan.7:4). The two wings records not only the cessation of monarchial rule in Israel but the installation of Christ as the Lord. This are what two eagle wings in Re.12 signify. "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child./ And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." (12:13-14). The two wings signify grace and truth. The remnant in Israel and the left out church shall face tribulation but God has prepared for them a way.

    Trinity is not only body but also Spirit and soul. The four living creatures help us to understand the Spirit of Christ and Soul are forever in tact.
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Memorial in Heaven- wings (1 of 3)

    God has set His throne. God "who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:/Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire".(Ps.104:3-5)

    In the last series on Trinity St John gives as a memorial where seven lamps of fire indicate fire shall test everyman's work on the work. We are His workmanship so the body as a memorial in heaven testifies the tabernacle of God among men leads the salvation plan of God to its finality. New heaven and new earth is how it shall look when the Son has fulfilled his Father's Will.

    "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."(v.5)

    His throne in heaven radiates qualities: Justice and judgment are the habitation of thy throne: mercy and truth shall go before thy face."(Ps.89:14) In the inaugural vision of Ezekiel we see God riding 'upon the wings of the wind."(Ez.1:4)

    And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire." What does the infolding fire signify? It is sent for specific purpose. Whirlwind coming out of north indicates Judgment. The living creatures are four in number having four wings. "Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man./And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings." They were sent to execute justice and judgment. But the memorial of the four beasts had six wings each. Where did the two wings go? They are revised and in lieu of wings they have two rings full of eyes. "The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel."Vv.16-18)

    These represent mercy and truth which goes before his face.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Well; as usual you have a better grasp on the subject with examples from the Bible to back it up. Perhaps it would be accurate to say that the primary APPLICATION of discipleship is with one to one interaction (or small group); and the secondary application is to read about how we are to act in the scriptures. Your example shows this with the parents being the tool to effectively render these truths to be alive in their kids who eventually mature enough to allow them to continue fueling their walk with the Bible and practice it eventually with their own children.

    Conceptionally; as well you are more mature than I am. Postulating such an idea perhaps is foolish; as I tend to put down my thoughts in these posts without thinking about it. In one sense I deliberately posted this to get a better idea (learning myself as well as getting people to think about the subject).

    I could have examined something like Baptism as a secondary application with initial salvation from God's granting of repentance as the primary one; and also based the thief on the cross as an example. Again it is somewhat nebulous since salvation is always the most important thing (baptism without true faith doesn't save anyone; but yes it is necessary as a declaration of faith and disobeying such an ordinance serious implication our public confession is not right and of course shows poorly as to us being a mature disciple).

    Maybe I need to step back from the frenetic pace of these postings. I fear it is too often to garner attention although I don't deliberately set out to put myself on a pedestal or in a spotlight. Is it wrong to wrestle with issues and deliver these messages before taking time to seriously pray about them and seek His face? I do want to press on and continue to minister as well as love His Word by considering many matters on this site. I am doing this realizing in the future I probably won't soon have the time to do this once my parents are deceased. Advice?
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Addendum to discipleship.

    In my last post after I got wiped out AGAIN the first time I forgot to elaborate on the verse of the servant who said he wouldn't do something and later does; and vice versa. ( Matthew 21:30). We need to test the validity of a true disciple over time not instant following; that concept is also true for identifying who is truly saved; and corresponds with the parable of the "good fruit".

    Another thought before I attempt to get into what seems clearly "secondary issues" I will also add to this discussion by stating that someone who is a true disciple has to make the hard decisions to go against church leadership or bring a disciplinary issue up with the church if one on one with a rebellious brother proves futile. This would include and I fear increasingly so these days challenging those who are teaching errant doctrine; no matter how esteemed the minister. If we aren't willing to be jealous for His Name's sake; we may end up with a church being much the same as the Temple was when Jesus had to clear it out overturning the moneychangers tables; that is a house of merchandise that is literally selling out the souls of men under it's roof. This is following in Christ's footsteps; and walking in the Spirit means we love the things He loves; and hate things He hates.

    Furthermore; being a disciple means standing up for brothers and sisters who are being persecuted; even to risking our own lives when necessary. I won't give a manual on the subject as it varies depending on the situation we are in; protecting our family and whatever the Lord brings into our lives as a challenge in this area. Nonetheless; it is how we take seriously verses such as Matthew 25:36 which I believe is ultimately fulfilled in the Tribulation which will determine those who are saved by their behaviors when all of God's people are imprisoned or killed for their faith and support anywhere in the world will guarantee our lives are in jeopardy.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Good evening Richard,

    To enter into this conversation on the topic of discipleship/evangelism.

    Deuteronomy 6:4-8 came to mind as the Israelites were commanded to teach their children according to the ways God proscribed to this chosen nation.

    I think that this verse applies to the church in that we are to teach sound doctrine to those who come into the church by faith in Jesus. Since there was not Scriptures printed for all to read and that not all were able to read, it was important for the leaders to read the Scriptures they had access to and to teach what they learned from the apostles in order to encourage growth and maturity among the believers. Just as parents are responsible for bringing their children up in the faith, those who bring are brought into fellowship are to be brought up in the faith taught by the apostles. So, I don't think that either evangelism nor discipleship are primary or secondary, but both are vital to the health of the individual (to hear the gospel and grow in doctrinal knowledge of God and His ways) and the church (to preach the gospel and disciple those who are babes to become mature and able to teach others Scriptural truths). Some are gifted and called more specifically for evangelism and others for discipleship. While it is only by faith that one is saved in Christ, the church is tasked with discipling converts and babes in Christ. Paul did plenty of discipling in his letters to the churches he had planted.

    It seems to me that God wills for every believer to grow in their faith and knowledge of the truths taught in Scripture, and, even though we do not need to be perfect in every way to be saved, it is valuable to each believer to be discipled and to learn to feed themselves on the Word, its truths and to grow into a life of willing service to God.

    Jesus defined eternal life this way: to know the one true God and Jesus. This involves a right relationship with God, but then we are to grow in grace and in the knowledge of God.
  • Oseas - 7 months ago
    3/3-RESTRAINING-2Thes.2:7-10

    Actually,the SACRIFICE of JESUS SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY when the Beast like a lamb,the MAN of sin,son of perdition(the little horn)sits in the temple of God-JERUSALEM-,shewing himself that he is God-2 Thes.2:4-,then the abomination of desolation will stand in the holy place,THE DAILY SACRIFICE OF JESUS WILL BE TAKE AWAY BY THE JEWISH FALSE MESSIAH in the second half of the last week by 1260 plus 30 days,I would say the current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END with this terrible and SATANIC event through the Jewish false messiah(2Thess.2:9),and the establishment of the abomination of desolation in the holy place or sanctuary.

    Revelation 11:1-2 reveals how will be the FIRST half of the last week (1260 days),ended the FIRST half,the false messiah,an esoteric, kabbalistic and spiritist messiah,will be enthroned in JERUSALEM-spiritually called Sodom and Egypt,for 1290 days,the sanctuary will be cast down.

    Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.Dan.12:12.Yeah,day 1335,the Ineffable, Wonderful,Indescribable,Unspeakable day,the day 1.335. Hallelujah!
  • Oseas - 7 months ago
    2/3-RESTRAINING-2Thes.2:7-10

    The sacrifice of JESUS until the current time lasted around 727000 days-THE DAILY SACRIFICE WILL BE TAKE AWAY WHEN THE JEWISH FALSE MESSIAH-THE BEAST LIKE A LAMB( Revelation 13:11-18 and John 5:43-47SIT IN HIS THRONE IN JERUSALEM- THEN THE PLACE OF THE SANCTUARY WILL BE CAST DOWN, as was prophesied by Daniel. Daniel 7:7-8 & 11.

    Dan.7:7-and behold a fourth Beast,dreadful and terrible,and strong exceedingly;and it had great iron teeth:it devoured and brake in pieces,and stamped the residue with the feet of it:and it was diverse from all the Beasts that were before it;and it had ten horns.

    8-I considered the(10)horns,and,behold,there came up among them another little horn,...and,behold,in this(little)horn were eyes like the eyes of MAN,and a mouth speaking great things. Yea,he(the little horn,by his mouth)shall magnify himself(magnified as God)even to the prince of the host(it is Michael- Revelation 12:7),and by him (by the Jewish false messiah-the little horn)the daily sacrifice will be taken away,and the place of the sanctuary will be cast down.

    The false lamb/messiah( John 5:43),he is also a Jew,and he is from one of the 10 tribes of Israel, maybe from the tribe of Dan as Jacob prophesied- Genesis 49:16-17. He shall rise up from the earth-from Israel-from one of the ten tribes of Israel-HE IS THE LITTLE HORN.

    The false lamb- John 5:43-has two horns like a lamb.Two horns represent the two kingdoms of Israel,but he will rise up from one of the 10 tribes,as prophesied Jacob. Genesis 49:16-17.
  • Oseas - 7 months ago
    1/3-RESTRAINING-2Thes.2:7-10

    7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:only he who now letteth will let,until he be taken out of the way.

    9Even him,whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    The prophecy on the RESTRAINING be taken away,it didn't fulfill yet, of course,but will LITERALLY fulfill in days to come,would say in this current decade,and it only after the end of the FIRST half of the last week,when the next and last Pope be elected,i.e. week 70th Daniel 9:27,actually it will occur only when the Abomination of Desolation be established in the 2nd half of the last week for 1260+30 days.

    The current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END with this terrible and SATANIC event,I say through the manifestation of the Jewish false messiah( John 5:43-47, Revelation 13:11, 2Thess.2:9), and the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation in the holy place.

    Who is he who now does not let the MAN of sin,SON of perdition,a former Cherub,be manifested among his own people(Israel),and also before the whole Gentilic world?The Complete Jewish Bible-CJB says the MAN of sin is at work secretly,in other words-KJV-,"the mystery of iniquity doth already work",but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining him is taken out of the way.

    Well, there are three that bear witness in Earth,the Spirit,the water, and the blood:and these three agree in One- 1John 5:8.The blood is the blood of JESUS that was shed on the cross;the blood of JESUS is the millennial sacrifice of JESUS that REMAINS until the current time for salvation of souls,AND WILL REMAIN until it BE TAKEN AWAY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN ONLY AND ONLY IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE LAST WEEK,WEEK 70th DANIEL 9:27,WHOSE EVENT IS NOT SO FAR FROM THESE DAYS,IT MAY OCCUR IN THIS DECADE .

    GET READY.
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    "Camping out" on the theme of Discipleship

    29'I will not,' he replied. But later he changed his mind and went. 30Then the man went to the second son and told him the same thing. 'I will, sir,' he said. But he did not go. 31Which of the two did the will of his father?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you.

    ( Matthew 21:29-31).

    We see through Romans 8:30 the idea of being called; justified and glorified without any mention of sanctification implied through discipleship. We can look at immature believers in Corinth who likely died in some cases without really being effective disciples. Nonetheless; we want to ensure that as Paul says in Phillipians 3:14 that we run for the prize. Crowns given for ministry; patient endurance or martyrdom don't come easy or to all but nonetheless since it affects our stance and spiritual authority under the King at least for the Millennium if not all eternity these are vital goals for us to pursue!

    When we consider the Great Commission and God's calling for us to go and make Disciples of all men in Matthew 28:19-20 we certainly see that emphasized; and that seemingly over the concept of just leading men to Christ which of course is part of what it means to teach all the things Jesus meant and taught to His own on His earthly ministry.

    The concept of personal sanctification and becoming separate from the world; therefore is also part of our growth as well as teaching others to be FOLLOWERS of Christ and the sacrificial lives that should accompany their declaration of salvific faith.

    It has been stated and I wholeheartedly agree that today the message of coming to Christ is often watered down. This often is to keep attendance up and money coming in from unscrupulous church leaders. It also comes from the misguided notion that we may say something to scare someone off unnecessarily. We must share hard truth with love.
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Primary or secondary applications: An open ended question.

    In the last few hours I have wrestled with the question of discipleship and whether it is primary or "secondary" in importance.

    First of all I need to categorically state that it is still VERY important and indeed necessary if we are ever going to be "sold out" for Jesus to ensure that we truly are disciples; and that of lasting ones that aren't going to walk away like many Jesus challenged on His way to eventually being crucified on the cross. Taking a brief internet survey of this subject there are varying opinions. It seems that one can be saved without being a disciple at least the level of commitment Jesus described. The thief on the cross would be one example; there was no time to work through issues like Jesus did with the 12 Apostles He chose as His primary disciples. The Corinthian church also stands out as a place where immature believers sometimes died before their time and had many other issues; clearly not acting as a mature disciple at least in terms of submitting their lives to the Lord.

    The church changed over time; and although other churches also had issues it would seem certainly that the many admonitions written in Paul's Epistles and Peter and John's writings of the same were primarily to build believers up in the local churches to live as worthy of the calling; and hence good disciples.

    If we are saved; we are ultimately justified and glorified ( Romans 8:30). We don't see sanctification there as would be expected as a true disciple; but again we certainly need to grow in this way to recieve spiritual rewards in heaven (Phillipians 3:14; also see other verses about crowns for service; ministry; patiently waiting for His appearing; etc.) Just because it doesn't necessarily determine our ultimate fate to lose out on what will be at least for the Millennium if not all of eternity our spiritual position in heaven would hardly be unimportant. I'll leave this open to debate
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Conclusion of primary applications and themes of scripture

    1 Corinthians 10:11 says: Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

    This verse helps to tie in the examples; both good and bad from various characters and narratives in the Bible so that we can understand the temporal and eternal consequences of our actions; and hopefully learn the fear of the Lord as a result. The moral principles of the Lord never change; even if we study the lives of those under the authority of the Old Covenant vs. the New Covenant. The souls of all men are mine ( Ezekiel 18:4) states God. Therefore; it is just as true that not one "jot or tittle" of His word will fail ( Matthew 5:18); the spiritual laws in scripture of conduct are as certain as the natural laws that every man lives subject to.

    One more point I want to cover before wading into the waters of the subject of secondary themes and applications is that although it usually involves large swaths of scripture and repeated concepts throughout with many cross references most of the time; there are a few key concepts that are rather limited. One which jumps to mind is Christ actually stating that He is the "I am". John 8:58 from what I know is the only place it is explicit; there are other places clearly where it is either implied or meant with the original language; certainly the Pharisees knew this or they wouldn't have tried to kill Jesus 10 times or so before they finally succeeded. More often seen is the unique claims of Christ as being the only way to the Father (I am the way the truth and the life may perhaps means the same thing as my last reference). He also showed this with offering forgiveness of sins which is only something God can do. We see in this what is implied if CORRECTLY interpreted shows much of the primary themes; we could cite the Parables as a good example of this.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 7 months ago
    As an addendum; I used Matthew 24:48 to show how someone preaching about the Lord's soon coming is ridiculed now by fellowservants but also am looking at the theory of someone who misses the Rapture and has to suffer the consequences. Anyone who now is fervant about their love for the Lord (again an inexact analogy to the woman in this chapter longing for the man she would marry) may get a bad rap also. We need to realize that although the parable of the 10 virgins shows they all fell asleep those who were ready were able to rise up and go in the Rapture. Anyway I hope whatever I say in the rest of this study will help; and also wanted to say that I still plan to continue with the series on prayer with David but since it is an extensive project I want to gather some more thoughts in the interim.

    Thanks for the inquiry.

    Have a nice evening. R.P.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 7 months ago
    I meant life, not lie. oopsie
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 7 months ago
    The watchmen that went about the city found me, they smote me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me

    ( Song of Solomon 5:7).

    Perhaps for context we can look at these verses ( Matthew 25: 1-13). Specifically verse 5 says "

    "While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept."

    The main theme of Song of Solomon is about two lovers; the one woman had; in previous verses heard the knocking of the door. "I sleep, but my heart waketh: it is the voice of my beloved that knocketh, saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with the drops of the night." ( Song of Solomon 5:2).

    Here we see some similarities to Revelation 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

    We are to wait for the bridegroom; this story reminds us of the foolish virgin. Verse 6 in this chapter of Song of Solomon seems to also say the same thing; possibly an analogy of missing the Rapture.

    There is some conjecture to beating fellow servants which is in Matthew 24:48 to the end which would seemingly represent servants warning of the Rapture who are rejected today. Luke 12:47 says

    And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

    This could also be a parallel verse to Song of Solomon 5:7.

    This particular topic came up with some who espoused the idea that there was a "phased rapture". I tend to agree with the Rapture being a reward for a remnant of those sold out for the Lord now; but a later resurrection of the dead either at the midpoint or the end of the Tribulation. That is what I would call a tertiary issue; eschatology as to Pre Trib or not view secondary. The main thing is not to become lukewarm. As my latest posting shows I don't like to get too much into hidden meanings.

    Agape.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hello Momsage,

    Keeping in mind that our hope and home is with Jesus for eternity, we can apply ourselves to the calling the Lord has for us in this present life with willing service to Him and others. Each day given to us is a gift and an opportunity to love others and do the will of God through the guidance and strength we receive from the Holy Spirit. It is good to be in this lie and also good to be called home to our eternal home. Both this life and the next come from God. We will live in the present every day God has ordained for us. We can be assured that He knows what is best for us. We also long for eternal life with him in the life to come. We know that what is in store for us is by far much greater and more valuable than any manner of life we have in the present.

    We know that Jesus is everywhere present, so He is always with us. But we do desire to behold him face to face fellowship.

    Paul said it well that to be present in this life is to be absent from the Lord and to be with the Lord is to be absent from this earthly life in our present body. Although he (and us) desire to be absent from the body and present with the Lord. Nut whether we are in this life or the next, we do the work He has for us and are to value that we are accepted by Him whether present of absent in wither scenario. ( 2 Cor. 5:6-9).

    When I was young, I desired to live out my life with my husband and children before being called home. Now that I am older, I desire more and more to be called home. Since my first grandbaby will arrive any day now, I hope to see her grow up and be a part of her life along with any other grands God gives me. It will be a pleasure and an honor to participate in their lives and experience our children being parents. God knows when my time here will be completed. So, I am so happy to still be given days in this earthly life, knowing that the life to come is guaranteed me with the surety of the Holy Spirit to remind me that our hope in Jesus is secured.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 7 months ago
    "God help all of us including myself not to hold onto one more day on earth because we want that more than being in His presence" AMEN! Another thought; I do wonder sometimes if Christians are more eager to see "grandma" when they get to heaven than the Lord, Jesus. God Bless :)
  • Momsage - In Reply - 7 months ago
    I say amen to this posting except the last sentence because I feel like I should understand what you are saying but I can't seem to grasp it. Would you please expound on it? I read Song of Solomon 5:7. Bless you :)
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Primary themes and practical applications of the Bible (part 4)

    It should be fairly obvious that we only can follow what the Lord says in scripture. As previously mentioned Satan accurately quoted scriptures to Christ but it was to suit his twisted logic in order to make another failed attempt to bring down Christ to get the glory for himself. The previous example of Moses as well as any other Bible characters; almost all whose flaws were painstakingly detailed in the Bible show that even accurate biographies of these individuals doesn't mean we should emulate them in all things. Certainly we can learn from their mistakes; even with circumstances from thousands of years ago when men would covet a neighbor's donkey and other things that are hard to relate to.

    "Substance over form"

    In 1 Samuel 7:9 Samuel only offered ONE lamb which would be for; as far as I can tell all of Israel at that time. There were other instances when men were allowed to take the Passover one month later when unclean; when David ate the shewbread only by law for the priests; etc. Even in the old Testament times; a true sacrifice was with a broken and contrite spirit ( Psalm 51:17). It became clear later on in passages such as Isaiah 1:14 that God was tired of rituals without being heartfelt and he actually used the word HATE to describe it. That word is rare; the only other time I am aware of it is used with the passage "I hate divorce" ( Malachi 2:16). Eventually the New Covenant would render the old obsolete; but we can't say there aren't relatable themes here; once again pointing to a man's heart condition such as was seen with the parable given in Luke 18:13.

    Justifying our religious pride certainly hasn't died out with the law and the Old Testament regulations; it has merely found different ways to control and manipulate people under the "authority" of the church and offices of administration that are excuses for "lording it over" parishioners; and often fleecing money.
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Primary themes and primary applications of scripture (continued).

    Psalm 119:97 is just one of many verses in this Psalm talking about loving God's law and commandments. We have looked in the last posting about 2 Timothy 3:16 as to the practical truths of the Bible in instruction; but of course without love as Paul stated we are nothing but a clanging cymbal as part off 1 Corinthians 13:1 mentions; and this idea continues throughout what many call the "love" chapter which is often given as a gift to married couples with a door hanging type motif so that hopefully they can realize what they are called to in the Lord. The sentiment of John 14:15 marries the concept of love and obedience together. We can't have God's love (agape) without the truth; and if we attempt to follow the truth without love; we run the risk of what happened to the Ephesian church as described in Revelation in the beginning of chapter 2.

    I won't make this study a detailed description of basic codes of conduct for a new believer which are of course needed for a young Christian to study in regard especially to the Epistles of Paul. Maturity in the faith is certainly bolstered by these necessary means; but is not by any means exclusively determined by these instructional verses. We can; for instance find meaning in the book of Esther and Ruth where God isn't even mentioned or just with a passing glance. The faith of both of these women is clearly seen through example. The Song of Solomon; probably the least read book in scripture seems to be an oddity in many ways and of course should be read by mature audiences. Nonetheless the theme of loyalty to the one someone is espoused to is something we can learn from; along with some possible hidden prophetic meanings in, for instance chapter 5; verse 7. In many ways; however it is best not to overspiritualize this one particular book; in attempting to make any direct correlation between eros and agape love for Christ in the sentiment
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Primary understanding of the Bible (part 2)

    Section 1: Primary themes of scripture and primary applications

    A child could probably read a section of the Bible and learn fairly easily about David and Goliath; Noah's Ark; and major characters in scripture as well as basic scriptures about Christ. We can make two errors related to this topic; the first finding nothing of meaning to us as 21st Century citizens of the USA or other modern civilizations or the opposite-thinking every verse somehow applies to us. Without disputing the 2 Timothy 3:16 concept; we simply cannot find a way to directly relate to David's story fighting a giant or any other incidents involving the genetically mutated offspring of Nephilim; nor can we relate to a command to destroy all men; women; children and cattle in a wartime situation today. In these cases; of course we can apply principles such as obedience being better than sacrifice ( 1 Samuel 15:22) as well as understanding the spiritual dimension which still exists today; even with certain entities already chained in the abyss ( 2 Peter 2:4) being a past event. Still other passages may discuss ceremonial laws which have no practical moral application but would keep an individual out of being part of Israel in the Old Testament times; when certain other Sabbath rules were strictly enforced to the point of death ( Numbers 15:32-36). We also are forced to deal with certain passages such as Deuteronomy 24 and later commentary by Christ in Matthew 5 and 19 which trumpet what Moses permitted due to hardness of hearts but apparently wasn't God's will in the beginning and therefore not "commanded" as the Pharisees presented their arguments in these passages to permit divorce.

    In short; I would say that primary themes help tell the story of God's master plan; or, as Navigator's states in the concept Dawson Trotman states "to know Christ and to make Him known." The exclusivity of Christ in such passages as John 3:16 show how to be saved
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    "According to a heavenly pattern"

    Memorial of the body in heaven is the pattern God showed Moses. "And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them./According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it." (Ex.25:8-9) Firstly let us consider the tabernacle which has a body. Memorial for it is set in heaven. In Chapters 4 and five John sees a pattern. " And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within" (Re.4:8) In the Exodus, the candlestick is "And six branches shall come out of the sides of it; three branches of the candlestick out of the one side, and three branches of the candlestick out of the other side"(25:31-32) and in place of eyes we have, "And in the candlesticks shall be four bowls made like unto almonds, with their knops and their flowers."(v.34). and the seven lamps of "one beaten work of pure gold."(vv36-37 refer to "and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God."(Re.4:5). There are similar other pattern to indicate the stewardship of the last Adam is spiritual than literal. The vicarious death of the slain Lamb, and he makes his presence there. "in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."(Re.5:6) God sanctified the seventh day since he was found worthy!
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 7 months ago
    A correction:

    Please read these lines

    "The Word become flesh has a command number 5. The Parable of Five foolish virgins refers to the nation of Israel."

    As the following:

    "The Word become flesh has a command number 4. So abiding in Christ has this number 5. The Parable of Five foolish virgins refers to the nation of Israel.
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Memorial in heaven

    In the four beasts we shall see why God rested on the seventh day.the Firstly the man represents the last Adam. When Jesus Christ came to the world it was as the last Adam because we have the reason in Ps.40 introduced. The writer to the Hebrews adds "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."(He.10:5; Ps.40:6). So the motif of the slain Lamb (Re.13:8) arises from this point. Creation of two worlds framed by the word sets this colloquy in the world unseen between divine Will and its fulfilment. (He.11:3) Though Adam was created in 'our image and and in our likeness' his disobedience required the Son setting into the breach. When Seth steps into the breach in place of Abel is re-enactment of this covenant between the Father and the Son. The Spirit records, "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."(Ge.3:3)

    Now for the three beasts lion establishes him as the root of David. "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David,:(Re.5:5-6) . The second beast the calf speaks for the Servant-Messiah and the flying eagle refers to his resurrection. When God gives the Law which we know as the Law of Moses the man and the ox were considered as one. "Only the firstling of the beasts, which should be the LORD'S firstling, no man shall sanctify it; whether it be ox, or sheep: it is the LORD'S."(Le.27:26;Ex.13:2) So one fifth added to the value as trespass offering is applied to man who abided in the Son. The Word become flesh has a command number 5. The Parable of Five foolish virgins refers to the nation of Israel. Number ten is a full hand and those who are wise are as stars and the foolish are shut out from the Marriage of the Lamb.
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Introduction to primary and secondary scripture interpretation.

    Oral traditions (continued).

    A primary consideration on this topic is the whole concept of oral presentations of scripture and how it is a method that may be underappreciated today. It is commendable; as an example of this; that our church has the "Awana" program where there is a decent level of scriptures memorized by children. This concept; of course comes from scripture. (see Deut. 32:46). Teaching our children should be helpful for the adults involved; nonetheless hypocrisy is something that renders much of what is taught as ineffective. We do well to "preach to ourselves" in meditating on the Word; and naturally this aids us in taking the Gospel to the highways and byways in fulfilling the Great Commission if we have a fair amount of scripture in our hearts and basic Gospel truths memorized.

    Taking this to a deeper level we are able to address the culture as to how it had in the past more or less adhered to these truths and how it has now largely departed from it.

    Part One: Primary meanings of the Bible

    Perhaps the easiest statement that can be made is that the Bible is basically the story of man's history; God's redemptive plan through His Son as atonement for our sins; and the eternal future. If we truly believe we are at least able to see the forest through the trees. What comes with maturity is starting to view the trees as significant signposts that lead to and connect with this overarching theme in seemingly disparate ways at times. It is much like running a marathon as opposed to a sprint; if we were to expect to make sense of running between trees on a slope and curved paths a marathon would be the proper approach rather than a sprint. The varied terrain would; of course make precision timing of the tape at the finish line be all fouled up in a race of say 400 yards. The marathon runner; in contrast prepares his mind and body for different terrain ahead of time.
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Scripture interpretation: Primary and secondary applications Introduction

    Introduction: An easy to understand analogy of proper vs improper scriptural application and comprehension is looking at the Word such as the 10 commandments spoken by God and written on the tablets that Moses brought forth from the mountain and eventually was placed in the Ark of the Covenant as compared to Satan's use of scripture which were clearly for his own diabolical purposes. Everything that lies in-between is subject to well..subjectivity and takes more careful analysis to determine if the context and subsequent interpretation holds any water or not. Of course there are those who would adhere to other religions who borrow from and utilize parts of scripture; or some aberrant mixture of truth and error so as to perpetuate whatever deception is being practiced. For now I am putting aside considerations of that camp and focusing on PRIMARY meanings of the Bible and its basic truths. Some of these things may; as our founding fathers said seem "self-evident"; but nonetheless it is possible that our own mind as well as local traditions and cultures may skew things unknowingly in a certain direction that the passage may or may not be saying. Hence; we are all to be "Bereans" (see Acts 17:11).

    It may seem an absurd question to ask why do we read the Bible; particularly on this site. I need to look at myself; first and foremost when asking that question so if anything; I am not endlessly pontificating to glorify some intellectual prowess that I claim to possess and do nothing more than puff my pride ( 1 Cor. 8:1 and other passages). Again; on this subject I am not going to focus on the nonbeliever despite the fact it would seem this question is more appropriate for them.

    Let us go back for a second to consider those in the early church who didn't have possession of much or any of the scrolls.

    We only seee Jesus reading the scroll lonce in synagogue; otherwise orating.
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Divine Comedy-Replay

    I shall give the rest of lines I composed this morning. Here we have dialogue between man and angel. What do theyrepresent? In Christ the holy city of God has single measurement Re.21:17

    5:37.

    Amen, how little have I with my will won,/ Sum total: trifles and nothing but vain tears / This pond of slough supplied vile form, its own;

    38

    Satan has with earthly glories his votaries/ Won and surely shall be to it return,/ Thus ashes to ashes their vaunted glories.

    39.

    Bless'd angel, Your presence let me scan/ Blessed hope of our calling brighter/ From the rock, the pit from where I'm hewn.

    40.

    On two pinions you and Christ the Savior/ Guard me from the dark waters the earth below/ Let them roar, but not come any where near.

    41.

    God has set his fiery throne: below/ Let the flood of ungodly nations stir/ The Savior Lord has dealt a body blow

    42.

    In quietness and trust let your hope soar/ He shall perform all his promises/To which we attend and we concur.
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    At the moment I am busy composing a cantiche of which five cantos are almost complete. The Spiritual instruction from the Bible is set in terza rima form. Three stanzas follow a strict rhyme pattern. Somewhat similar in spirit to Divine Comedy of Dante. Selected from todays output. I shall not be posting as regularly as I am used to. There are some 60+ cantos to compose. Each canto shall have some 45 stanzas

    Canto-5 The ministering angel informs man

    5: 33.

    How God descants over numbers fixed: /While number Three reserved for the Son/ Affirms in him the saints are ever blessed

    34.

    The Word transports the gospel from man's bone/To flesh the woman out for the Head/ The Number Twelve fore'er allied with Zion.

    35.

    The one rib from many becomes the Bride:/ While the earthy man is laid aside in lieu/ The Word made flesh is Last Adam indeed.

    36.

    The locus of saints made new, his view / Forever through the light of the Son,/ From heavenly places we serve you.
  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Ge.2:16-17 "The day"

    "And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:/ But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

    Adam is the son of God. ("Adam, which was the son of God,"- Luke 3:38) In the everlasting covenant man is created after our image and after our likeness.' In Trinity Adam was set down as the body. By breathing into his nostrils God made him a living soul.

    Adam was free to eat of every tree of the garden, including the tree of life." His sin was in disobedience. So the tree of life judged him as it were. This judgment comes under the department of the son to whom God has decreed a day. (Ps.2:6-7)This is what the everlasting covenant presented in the first chapter of Genesis. Seven days are not literal days but its significance is in full harmony with the fulness of Jesus Christ. St Paul refers to it as consistent with God. (He is the visible image of the invisible God.) All things and by him consists. So seven days given refer to the covenant. Each day consists of God commanding as token of the divine Will and at the end of the verse,"And it was so."(Ge.1:7)

    With this everlasting covenant in force all other covenants mentioned elsewhere, especially with Israel as a nation, are pendent on it. Similar days, hour ( silence for half an hour in heaven, for instance) are valid but is pendent to the everlasting covenant.

    Genealogy of Adam however mentions body producing sons and daughters, of which we have holy family as well as that of the wicked Cain. Death that God referred in the key text is pertaining his soul.

    The four beasts of which one had the face of man which could not be that of the disobedient Adam but that of Last Adam. The Spirit allows St Paul to refer Jesus Christ thus. Remnant of the nation of Israel will be included into the body to which Christ is the Head. They havebe new creation in him.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Brigitta

    For your meditation

    John 3:16-21

    16 GOD so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    17 For GOD sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.

    18 He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the NAME of the only begotten Son of GOD.

    19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world (GOD IS LIGHT), and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil.

    20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the Light, neither cometh to the Light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

    21 But he that doeth Truth cometh to the Light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


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