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Salvation: Predestination and thinking beyond time.

My last post began to delve into the concept of how the Lord and a saved individual communicate; or perhaps better expressed "commune" with one another. We all have to beware of what is expressed in Matthew 7:23 when after a whole laundry list of things that were done "for the Lord" or "in His Name" Jesus states "I never KNEW you" before they are cast into damnation.

Obviously in a marriage situation there is a close analogy; two people don't get to know each other intimately without there being a unity; in that case of "one flesh".

I have probably delved into the concept another time of the fact that our salvation was determined before the foundation of the earth (see Rev. 13:8). In the practical understanding we have of our mortal existence on earth we see a time and place when our salvation occurred; perhaps more precisely stated as its activation. I have no doubt that those who through God's foreknowledge WOULD come to faith are guaranteed to live until that moment of confession and contrition ( Romans 10:9).

This can be proven more or less by the usual scenario; people who witness to us and circumstances that occur that trigger our interest in "spiritual" matters. Or; we could say simply that as God determined where and when we would be born; which parents; etc. certainly He also determines those details when someone is "Born Again".

Because assurance of salvation is something we all need to consider in light of 2 Corinthians 13:5 and other passages such as Phillippians 2:12 where we are to "work out our salvation with fear and trembling" we need to be cautious of our own profession of faith and that of others. We can't use the "grace card" to sidestep obedience to the Lord to His commandments. 1 John 5:3 states that His commands aren't "burdensome" much as would be the case if we tried to follow all the details of the Old Testament law. Christ shows that true worship is from the heart.

Discussion of John 14:18-21

18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19In a little while the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

The question of the difference between the indwelling Spirit today permanently taking residence (as seen a bit further into this chapter in verse 23) and the time Jesus spoke these words to His Disciples in some sense doesn't seem to matter. He knew all those who would continue to follow and those (in particular Judas Iscariot) who would betray Him. I am firmly convinced that only those predestined to come to Christ will; and that repentance is given as a gift of God for those called and chosen.

That being said; we don't really understand these doctrines before our salvation experience so those doctrines don't make any more sense than the fact that God is in fact represented with Christ even though He appeared in the flesh of man. Therefore these definitions come to mind regarding saving faith.

Transaction: Our debts being paid make us no longer bound to this world; but bondservants of Christ. His ransom as our

Redeemer means that we are His chosen vessel to be used for His purposes. In political terms; it doesn't mean for us that we are in a Democracy; free to choose when we wish to follow our Master or turn back to follow the opposing Party (that is Satan).

Interaction: A free gift is offered; but not necessarily received or utilized by the potential recipient. We can do nothing to earn or deserve it; but we are responsible to follow the guidelines which the Spirit makes clear in the hearts of the truly faithful. This would; arguably mean that as Lord of the harvest fruit in us is demanded.

The Bible speaks of Lord Jesus saying, "love your neighbor as thy self."

"It is Done."

I will pray now. What I hear is, what has happened is for the furtherance of the gospel. I will see your family whole and safe, in Christ.

"A religious and universal satanic Empire will be build by both religious leaders" and they will release Wormwood. AI version bible.

God bless all!

Speaking of John the Baptist, JESUS said: Luke 7:27 - This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

And now? Who will be sent before JESUS's coming? Now is sent Michael- Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Revelation 12.

And what is the current mission of Michael in this world of Devil?

Now, now, don't you know?

He will do the same he did in Sodom and Gomorrah, of the same manner as he revealed it to Lot: Remember: He asked to Lot: Has you here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will DESTROY this place(NOW WILL DESTROY THE WORLD AS A WHOLE), because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord has sent us to DESTROY it.

And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, GET YOU OUT OF THIS PLACE; for the Lord will DESTROY this city (NOW WILL DESTROY THE WORLD AS A WHOLE). But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

Revelation 11:15-18. Take a look.

Be careful or else get ready

Ez.28:13 Garden of God

"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created."(Is.28:13)

"In the day" refers to the decree which gives the Son his kingdom and it is called Zion. "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion./I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. (Ps.2:7-8). So the foundations of the holy city of Zion is revelatory. It is of the Son the name King David applies."and my servant David shall be their prince for ever./ Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them."(Ez.37:25-26)

Lucifer or Satan lost his covering which includes precious stones. All these and many more forms the 12 foundation stones to be seen from earth.

"The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;/ The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst./And the twelve gates were twelve pearls..."(Re.21:18-21)

"Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire./ Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." (Ez.28:14-15)

The waters above the firmament separated from waters below. Mercies of God represented by waters above. ( Lam 3:22-23) The waters below the firmament called he the seas. (Ge.1:6-10)The earth signifies the Son where waters denote grace.

Ez.37:8-10 "The living soul"

"And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them."

The passage vv.8-10 is annotated by the Spirit "And theLordGod formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Wind here signifies the sound and sign of the word. Jesus explained to Nicodemus how does the spirit work. "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."( John 3:8) Ezekiel prophesies as was commanded and the sound thereof is mentioned in v.7."and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone." Prophesy the wind' informs us a separate chain of events taking place and how the church is bonded. Similar to the vision of the Woman clothed with the sun in Re.12 this vision present us a series of vignettes. v.8 refers to Adam before God breathes into the nostrils of the man.

vv.9-10

Four winds signify the universality of the word of God. With disobedience of one man sin entered into the world; consequently the law of sin came to dominate the world. "For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me."(Ro.7:11) . "Breathe upon these slain" therefore refers to the outpouring of Holy Spirit and ushuring the church age. "And they lived" refers to the day of regeneration. This vision follows Min-Max mode and Israel in their graves and dry bones in a valley are two different things.

9Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the LordGod; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived,

Ez.37:2-7 "Hear the word"

"Thus saith the LordGodunto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:"

The Spirit in most cases set the term 'behold' nuanced so it is a prophesy that shall be surely fulfilled. "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."(Is.7:14). In Matt.1:22 we read, "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet,"

In Gospel of St John we read thus, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made./In him was life; and the life was the light of men." Jesus said, "I am the life." Here we see the rationale ofsetting the prophet as a double for the Son. Ezekiel prophesies as he is commanded. The noise and the shaking in v.7 is evocative of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. "And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting."(Ac.2:2)

Unity of the Spirit is concerned with creating one entity, the body, the church. So bone to his bone signifies one single doctrine. Heresies have no place in the body of Christ.

6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am theLord.

7So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

Bible Study- Ez.37:1 "Valley of Dry Bones"

The hand of theLordwas upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of theLord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones."(v.1)

Compare the manner Ezekiel is led by the hand as it were, with the vision shown to Jeremiah. "TheLordshewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of theLord" and the Holy Spirit gives the context so it clearly connected with the current events, "Then said theLordunto me, What seest thou, Jeremiah? And I said, Figs" (Je.24:3) The Lord God had touched the mouth of the young prophet. So he is trained to follow a vision when given from above. Whereas Ezekiel is addressed as the son of man and given the roll to eat. Clearly Prophet Ezekiel, the son of Priest Bucci is set by the Spirit as a double for the Son of man.

Ezekiel is carried over, as being led by the hand to examine the world of the spirit before the mountains were brought forth. Wisdom speaks of such a time,"While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world./When he prepared the heavens, I was there:"(Pr.8:26-27).So the term valley isa nuanced geography only existing in the mind of God. The night vision shown to Daniel ("one like the Son of man"-Dan.7: 13) similarly refers to a time before the worlds began.

Valley of Dry bones pertains to the mind of God and bones represent all those who were called into the fellowship of God with Man. The Lord is one so is the Gospel. Gospel of the Son or of Paul speaks of the same thing. Thus dryness of the bones merely clues us in the great army of saints chosen in Christ. "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:/According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,"(Ep.1:3-4)

RLW

Well,the Word is GOD,self-executing,He had a Plan:to save the mankind from the power of Devil.To execute it He needed to incarnate Himself,and He did so at the turn from the fourth to the fifth Day,so He was made flesh around 2000 years ago- Hebrews 1:1-3,He introduce Himself in the world of Devil by the name of JESUS,a LITERAL IMAGE of GOD,His Plan was to make man in His image and likeness in the SIXTH Day-Gen.1:26-Let us make man in our image,after our likeness.GOD's Plan for salvation was to preach the Gospel of His Kingdom,but by whom?Only by He Himself.

JESUS was born after week 69th,i.e.after a period of 483 years.His birth was something around 7to3BC,as this is known.

That said,GOD, now called JESUS,the stone which is become the head of the corner,He was set at nought of the builders of the OT, even the prophets which had the Spirit of Christ were killed by the builders- Matthew 23:29-35.Paul wrote:The Gospel of Christ is the power of GOD unto salvation to every one that believes;to the Jew and also to the Greek.For therein is the righteousness of GOD revealed from faith to faith: Romans 1:16-17.

Acts 4:12 reveals:Neither is there salvation in any other:for there is none other NAME under heaven given among men,whereby we must be saved.It still was the beginning of the fifth Day.

JESUS himself began to be about thirty years of age,He started His Ministry,saying:The time is fulfilled,and the Kingdom of GOD is at hand:repent ye,and believe the gospel- Mark 1:15.JESUS said to the Jews:My Father works hitherto,and I work-Jo.5:17.

JESUS said to the Father:I have glorified thee on the earth:I have finished the work which thou gave me to do.The validity of His sacrifice for salvation already last around 2000 years,more than 730.000 days,in days to come the false messiah of the Jews- John 5:43-47,Re.13:11,will enthrone himself in Jerusalem,the Abomination of desolation is established,the daily sacrifice is taken out,the Dispensation of Grace gets to the END.

Dear Sister , think on this verse . Romans chapter 8 verse 28 . As Christians we are never told that we will not suffer in this life , we suffer the same as everyone else . Christ our Redeemer suffered every day because he shared our humanity and it's impossible to be a human and to not suffer in this world . We Christians know that God is always with us and that He knows what is best for us . Maybe it will be better for you to move ? Whatever happens in this life we must trust in our God , that is what faith is , trusting in God's love and mercy every day , even on the days that seem to us to be bad . Read the book of Genesis and pay attention to the account of Joseph and his brothers . These things are written and preserved by God for our benefit , to comfort and enlighten us so that our faith in Him gets stronger . This way we stay close to Him even when things get a bit tough on us .

Hi Tdianne.

God does love you, he also loves your aunt.

Love is his nature. It's impossible for God not to Love.

Whether, reward or chastening, God do it out of Love when it is a direct act coming from him.

But why do God allow evil to come upon us by the world.

I believe it's for our spiritual growth.

We also have to keep in mind that Christ suffered and he is truly the only one we can call good.

Here is where you will have to trust God!

In the end we become stronger. I have to lean on Romans 8:28.

Why do God allow bad things to happen to Good people is a often asked question.

Here's a few things to consider.

1) Bad things may happen to good people in this world, but this world is not the end. Christians have an eternal perspective: "We do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.

2) Bad things happen to good people, but God uses those bad things for an ultimate, lasting good. "We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him..

3) Bad things happen to good people, but those bad things equip believers for deeper ministry.

God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God.

4) Bad things happen to good people, and the worst things happened to the best Person. Jesus was the only truly Righteous One, yet He suffered more than we can imagine. We follow in His footsteps: "If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

I know it's hard when we are down but we have to trust God.

God bless you and we will be praying for you.

You're welcome Gigi.

I try to reach out to them

by their last post or reply on the thread before the reply button expires so it can be attached to their email.

Unfortunately the one I found for Brother Chris has expired already, but I'm sure he checks in from time to time.

God bless.

Hi EddieG,

This may be perhaps their appearance, but they still are spiritual beings. We shall find out when we are resurrected to the eternal state with our Lord.

Got you, Bibleman72. You will be in my prayers this evening.

Mother Mac,

Thanks for responding. The important thing is for us to know what the Scriptures teach this. I will post on this after I do a few more posts on Who God Is. Stay tuned.

Hello Chris,

We haven't heard from you for a while. Been thinking of you. You are missed here.

S.Spencer,

Glad to see you reach out to Giannis,

I have been meaning to do the same thing!

Thanks

S. Spencer,

Thanks for reaching out to Jesse,

I was thinking of doing the same thing. you beat me to it.

Amen Gigi.

God bless.

Oseas

Hey brother just one last thing to consider.

Daniel 9:24-27, in this prophecy, there are seventy weeks or 490 years determined unto Daniel's people and the holy city to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Have these 6 things been fulfilled in Jesus the Messiah, and the judgment of it carried out in 70 AD? If so, all of this prophecy has been fulfilled in the past.

1 To finish the transgression. To break or violate, as a law, civil or moral; the act of transgressing. Psalms 32:1 Isaiah 53:5-11 Romans 4:14-15 Galatians 3:18-19 Hebrews 9:14-15.

2 To make an end to sins. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Matthew 1:21 Hebrews 10:8-11 John 1:29 1 Corinthians 15:3 1 John 3:5 Psalm 32:1 Romans 3:21-26 Romans 8:3.

3 To make reconciliation for iniquity. Reconciliation is an element of salvation that refers to the results of the atonement. Colossians 1:20-22 Isaiah 53:6 Isaiah 53:11 Romans 5:11 Ephesians 2:16 Titus 2:14 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

4 To bring in everlasting righteousness. In conformity to the demands of the covenant and according to God's will. Isaiah 61:10-11 Romans 3:21-26 Romans 5:17-21 2 Corinthians 5:21 1 Peter 2:24.

5 To seal up the vision and prophecy. The greatest prediction, which runs like a golden thread through the whole contents of the Old Testament, is that regarding the coming and work of the Messiah, Jesus. Daniel 9:23 Matthew 11:11-15 Mark 1:14-15 John 5:36-40 John 6:27 Acts 3:18.

6 To anoint the most holy. The high priest went into the holy of holies once a year with the blood of a sacrificed bull. Jesus our high priest with His own blood anointed the most holy not made with hands once and for all, forever. Hebrews 9:6-14.

Jesus said it in John 19:28-30.

God bless,

RLW

Thank you Ecalarese.

I am going to continue on this subject of "being unequally yoked" by way of highlighting the opposing spirit between the two, and also the decay of the church.

God bless.

Ps.104:3-4 "Gospel of Christ" (2 of 2)

Foursquare explains the character of the city. "And the city lieth foursquare

and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal." The number 12 is not merely a number. It explains the Word become. So when Prophet Ezekiel prophesies he is a double for Jesus Christ the word become flesh. "Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord." As a result " Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:/ ...So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone." (Ez.3:5-7) This ministry of unification is explained by St Paul as separating the middle wall of partition. Dryness is not because of sin since bone refers the doctrine of God waiting to be set into active mode. Adam did not exclaim, "This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh" for any other reason that he is set as the double for Christ. Breath of the Son first had to enter in the church" and ye shall live." This flesh represents bringing world of the Spirit as well as the saints redeemed from the earth by gospel work. 12x1000 is same as And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years"(Ge.6:3)

Four winds we find mentioned elsewhere. Dan.7:1; "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."-Re.7:1 The wind should not blow till God has sealed 144,000 representing the tribes of Israel. As in the case Seth stepping into the shoes of Abel the left out church are filling in the breach of the nation cast out.

Topic: " Who God is" reply to GiGi

All Three are ONE GOD. Amen.

This is my understanding of the "Trinity."

The Trinity__Father, Son,

and Holy Spirit.

Matthews 3/14,15,16,17.

Jesus' Baptism by John the

Baptizer.

All Three members were present at one place at the same time at the River Jordon. Jesus was in the water. The Holy Spirit lit on the Son. The Father spoke from Heaven.

Is there a possibility that Lucifer and the angels that were under his command are a TYPE / CLASS of Angel called DRAGONS? I ask this considering how the SERAPHIM and CHERUBIM are described in the HOLY SCRIPT odd that they may be.

what would you akin a kiss to spiritually. spiritually how can one give a kiss to god.

Ps.104:3-4

God "who walketh upon the wings of the wind:" (1 of 2)

Let us consider the Vision of the Dry Bones where wind represents something else. " Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the LordGod; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live./So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army."(Ez.37:9-10)

God is asking Ezekiel to prophesy unto the wind. His credentials come from the roll which God made the prophet to eat. "Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel."(Ez.3:1) He was a stand in for Jesus Christ who is the Word become flesh. He is Man the message. "Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears." He was to receive 'all my words' for this reason both words unto salvation and to damnation were to treated equally. "Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness."(3:3). This parallel with St John , "And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey."(Re.10:9)

"And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:" (10:1) Who is this mighty angel ?The attributes of fire, the sun and the bow inform us it is Jesus Christ who reveals the word through his angel. Cf.Re.1 Here we have the Word (God) employing angel and man which is a single measurement validated as the standard by Jesus Christ. The nuanced narrative of the Spirit is leading us to the holy city of God which is foursquare. (Re.21:16-17)

Ps.104:3-4 "Two worlds"

God "who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:/Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:"

God is a Spirit so we shall treat our visible world has a spiritual scaffolding or underpinning all leading to a specific outcome. God sent his only begotten Son for this purpose. Here is a verse, "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ./For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;." (Ep.2:13-14) This middle wall is not merely across but also up and down. For this we have the symbolism of the line and plummet (Is.28:17) and the single measurement which is made up of man angel as we read of the holy city of God is "according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."(Re.21:17).

Nuance

The Spirit develops the people events, names ,-well every aspect of the visible world to the Rest of God which is a tangible and eternal building. What can be measure must be tangible as much as the word of God can become flesh is it not? It is God's doing. So the term nuance to all intent and purpose defines unity of the Spirit that the eternal word of God settled in heavens would mean.(Ps.119:89)

We were known thus even before we were born. "Unto an holy temple in the Lord:/In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."(Ep.2: 21-22)