Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 273

Thanks for responding. I'm sure you've done your research.

Psalm 83:18 is a strong conviction for me.

sometimes people may go for

years saying someone name not quite exactly. however, the person gets the point

because they may be close enough. but when you really know the person personally,

knows his likes and dislikes. and you have a close bond with that person. then

the name and how it's pronounced by a loved one may not be such a big deal.

James 4:8. The truth of a name is always soon corrected and the person may later

get the point.

Apart from Salvation, "there is none righteous no not one" ( Romans 3:10). God declares that Job was righteous because God had saved Job. When God saves us, i.e. we become Born Again, God gives us a new Resurrected Soul which "can not sin" ( 1 John 3:9). Once God has saved us, the Righteousness of Christ is IMPUTED to us ( James 2:23) and we will have an earnest ongoing desire to be obedient to the Law of God. But we can and do fall into sin because or new Resurrected Soul still resides in a body that still lusts after sin and we are an integrated personality, body and soul ( Romans 7:18-25).

Therefore Job is called righteous because God had saved him.

The Bible IS THE WORD OF GOD. There are no contradictions nor "lies" in the Bible because God is the author of the Bible.

Yes , I'm on my mobile phone , so I click on ' view all ' and that shows me all the latest comments , at the bottom of the page there are numbers taking me back to previous pages , each time I click on a previous number and look at that page , the numbers change at the bottom of the page , so I just keep clicking on the highest number and that takes me back to nine years ago . Hope I made that understandable :) .

What I'm saying here is that, for instance, if I'm writing a letter to someone or somebody but the postmaster read it to the whole world, was it good..? where is the privacy..? what I mean is that, if Paul is writing to the Romans then keep it with the Romans because he says in Romans 3:10 that there is no righteous person, not one which I beg to disagree because Job is a righteous person according to the book of Job and he's perfect and upright...so it only proved that Paul is a liar as he states in Romans 3:7

Thank you John P. GBU....I completely over looked that name....And i apologise to you also S. Spencer...GBU S. Spencer..

My LORD is faithful to HIS promises. HE is righteous in HIS judgements.

We therefore must go forward and plant the seed and praise the LORD JESUS CHRIST for the harvest.

GOD to shine HIS face on all who worships the LORD in truth and in spirit. The LORD to bless us all gloriously.

Father, bless our leadership with Godly wisdom and the desire to praise YOU.

May 3, 2023

Hello Yasser72. I'm unsure what your question is here, but you are correct that the Apostle Paul did write those letters specifically to the Churches in those cities. And those letters may have also been in circulation to other Churches in those countries as more people learned about Jesus & then believed on Him. Likewise, those letters have been preserved for us to read & learn about the early Church, their Christian experience, and how we should also likewise live in a godless world. There were many more letters written, but they were either lost or not preserved for us - so we must be thankful that what we have now is very much a part of the whole Word of God that God has wanted us to learn from. But if this is not an answer to you question, I apologize - maybe you could expand your thoughts further for us.

To Donna Warren,

Thinking about you and wondering how things are going in your life.

We haven't heard from you lately. You must be very busy.

I look forward to hearing from you again.

Hi Jema,

I am wondering how you get to older postings on this site.

Can you tell me the steps you take?

Thank you

Dear "Jimbob", you are so right. This seems untrue. Got some words today that also give us a reminder to always defend God's Word, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. The only important thing we can do is to accrue the enemy!

Revelation 3 chapter.

We must never tire of and correct, encourage, and emphasize the truth.

Keep going, never get tired and bored. But continue in God's Spirit and Truth. Love u in Christ.

Thanks for the info Gigi , I spend a lot of time reading old posts so when I come into the latest ones I wonder where the others went . I guess people move on and have busy lives etc . I'm just glad that so many of them left their mark on here for us all to read , hopefully for many years to come , until God's Kingdom . Thanks to everyone from times gone by , for leaving such a wealth of love and insight , may God bless you all where ever you are .

I remember him mentioning this at the time his sister passed away.

Texsis,

I have been thinking of you lately. How are you doing in life?

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b. It is true, Christians today might be taught that they have the Spirit indwelling them & they willingly accept it, but that's only theoretical belief. A true believer cannot live his new life in Christ based only on a teaching given by someone - there must be a manifestation inwardly (a change) & outwardly (a new life revealed); because the Holy Spirit is never idle - He will point to Jesus & grow the Life of Christ in the believer. I can't see how this special mysterious work can be done outside of a person - it must be from the inside. Hence, my belief that those who have the indwelling Spirit, been sealed & secured by Him, can never depart from the faith - they will never desire it nor be persuaded by any other, even under persecution, to leave Christ - the Spirit won't allow it because the new birth is just that: a new life formed in you which can't be denied nor extinguished. Yes, he might slip up along the journey, but the Spirit will always bring him back in brokenness & repentance; the erring believer will be uncomfortable with sin & increasingly so, so that there remains no other avenue but to repent & seek forgiveness.

And that is how we must all learn about obedience, godliness, & walking in step with the Spirit. Is this too narrow a view? I don't believe that the Spirit of God works in any other way in His Church, His people. Under the OT economy (pre-crucifixion), the Spirit's Work was different & applicable to the need, whether through prophets, kings, laymen, even gentile monarchs, but to indwell a person to inwardly change the life, mind & heart, is reserved only for those who are truly in Christ.

But I can see that those under the Spirit's outside influence, whether to bring to repentance, to join with other believers, even to manifest some apparent godly traits, can be deceiving to others - but God makes no mistakes about those who have been given His Spirit. Blessings.

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Thank you bro Giannis for your lengthy response. If I might address some of your points.

a. John 3:3-6. "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God". If my Gk Lexicon is correct, the rendering is that 'a man is born out of/out from water and out of/out from the Spirit' ('ek'). In both references to the water & the Spirit, we see that one has to make a new appearance: the first which represents the physical birth (since this whole discussion with Nicodemus is about these two births), & the second, the spiritual birth. In neither of these births, the babe has any control or power. In the physical, the natural laws of human birth must take place, as also in the spiritual, the natural working of the Holy Spirit must take place to produce a new child/creation.

And there must be evidence of that work; Nicodemus could only understand it in the natural sphere, but in the spiritual sphere, the Spirit's Presence & Working must be seen, or else it is false. Therefore, I can understand the Spirit working through the Gospel preached by man & by the Word that is read, to minister to an unbeliever, but when a person turns to Christ & is born again, the Holy Spirit must indwell him & reside permanently ("Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his", Romans 8:9) - a very telling verse, leaving no room for misunderstanding. I could never perceive that the one who is in Christ can ever be one without the Holy Spirit residing within - it simply goes against the reason & working of the Spirit. So when you write, "So the Spirit works in the heart of a born again person, although He may not dwell in them", this is something that I simply cannot understand in light of the Scriptures, because re-birth is always from an inward dwelling, not an outward influence. See Page 2.

Thank you so much.!

Another comparison of two Bibles. The KJB and the Niv.

The KJB ( Col. 1:14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.

(The KJB says we have redemption ((THROUGH HIS BLOOD))

The Niv (Col, 1:14) Says "In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins".

(The Niv leaves out the words "through his blood".)

That should be a really big deal to all Christians who are seeking the True Word of God. Do you honestly think this version could be the Inspired Word of God?

The KJB ( 1 Tim. 3:16) This verse tells us "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh"

(The KJB says ((God was manifest in the flesh))

The Niv (1 Tim, 3:16) Says "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body"

The Niv says "He appeared in a body"

(The Niv completely takes away the words "God was manifest in the flesh" and says "He appeared in a body")

The KJB (Lu. 2:33) "And Joseph and his mother marveled at those things which were spoken of him" (This verse is speaking of Jesus, so the KJB the True Word of God says ((Joseph)) and his mother.

The Niv (Lu, 2:33) Says "The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him" The Niv is saying Joseph was the father of Jesus Christ. Is it not? Do you trust this Niv book? I don't even want to call it a Bible!



The KJB has the word (hell) in it 54 times.

The Niv has the word (hell) in it 15 times.

The KJB has the word (devil) in it 106 times.

The Niv has the word (devil) in it 33 times..

So the Niv removes the word hell 39 times.

And the Niv removes the word devil 73 times.

Do you see the difference in the Truly Inspired Words of the LORD, and the words of men?

The Truth matters!

Wow Gigi.

I didn't know Mishael was ill.

Sad to hear that.

Thank you.

God bless.

MountHoreb,

I believe I have read that archeology has only found proof of the written language of the Hebrew people as far back as 1000 BC. I have 'heard' by the voice of a man that there were no 'Vs' in the early 'block' Hebrew language. So I can assume that modern man has come up with 'Yahweh." When Moses received the Ten Commands, He said to God, 'what am going to say', when the people ask, 'who sent me'? God answered,

'I Am that I Am. The ditopology of I Am that I Am in the Hebrew is 'E H Y H' or the name spelled in English, J e H o Y a H.

There is not a 'J' in the Hebrew alphabet, so The Divine Name is spelled Y e H o Y a H.

According to E. W. Bullinger's, Companion Bible (KJV) God's Divine Name was hidden 'Five times' in the book of Esther. Two times forward, two times backward, and one time I Am that I Am. The reason it was hidden was to protect the bloodline of Christ. Each time it is hidden in the Acrostic, it should be in all capital letters, such as Esther 1:20, "ALL THE WIVES SHALL GIVE."

There is a lot to be understood here.

Hello S. Spencer and Jema.

I remember Mishael saying he was ill in the weeks before he stopped posting. He was very committed to participating here and so I continue to pray for him.

We miss him and T. Levi's and Suze, and Bro Dan, and Dr. Lee, and many other we have not heard from on here for some time.

It is good to keep praying for them when they come to mind.

You're welcome Jema.

And thank you.

As for T Lewis and Mishael,

I believe T Lewis left the site and dropped in a little while ago if I'm not mistaken, but Mishael just stopped posting and responding all of a sudden and never returned.

That is shocking considering the commitment.

Blessings

Hello Primalesque.

Jesus by calling Peter a satan tried to show Peter what a serious fault it is for one to oppose God's work in humanity for salvation. Anybody who does that is a satan, figuratively. Because it is satan who tries to stop God's work on people. Salvation has nothing to do with feelings. Jesus doesn't place His feelings for Peter infront of mankind's salvation. At that time Peter was an obstacle on Jesus way to the cross. Often newly saved christians are opposed by their families to follow Jesus. But they have to follow Jesus and not their feelings for their family. Because if they follow their feelings they will loose what they have earned and they won't be able to lead their families to salvation either. GBU

Pt 3, Chris

Similarly in Samaria and in Ephessus.

Cornelious and his own people got Spirit baptised before getting water baptised. Paul was also baptised in water after he was baptised in Spirit. So it actually seems that baptism in Spirit may occur before or after water baptism.

But definitely after believing, with the exception of Cornelius where it seems that believing and baptism occured at the same time. So Spirit baptism may occur simultaneously with new birth but also after new birth. Why? Because they are different things.

But definitely it can not occur before new birth. There is a verse in Galatians 4:6, "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father." Here it says that God sends His Spirit to people because as it says, you are sons ALREADY, not because you will become sons in the future.

Finally we see that during that early age ALL believers were baptised in God's Spirit. The apostles urged people to receive the Spirit. That is shown in Samaria where with no delay at all the apostles went there to lay hands on believers, it is shown in Ephessus where the very first question Paul asked those disciples was if they had received the Spirit AFTER they believed, it is shown in Paul himself when he received the Spirit as soon as he saw again etc. So in the ancient times there was an urgency that all believers should be Spirit baptised. That is why in all the epistles the apostles wrote they talk to people who are Spirit baptised. But this is not the case with many of today's christians who assume they have the Spirit dwelling in them just because they are tought it is so but it actually isn't so.

Chris, would you ever think of starting asking God in your prayer to give you His Spirit with an external manifestation? What would you think if you started talking in unknown languages? Would you then believe me that it is so? I know I can not convince you that I am right but God can certainly do that.

GBU

Pt 2 Ghris

2. Spirit Baptism.

Tongues on Pentecost, in the case of Cornelius, in Ephessus. In Samaria although the text doesn't reveal anything about external signs, Simon the sorcerer must had seen something happening, otherwise he wouldn't try to bribe the apostles. He saw or heard something. ...?...

THE WAY NEW BIRTH AND SPIRIT BAPTISM OCCUR

1. New Birth

Going back to that discussion Jesus said that new birth occurs by the "water" and the "Spirit'. Now about the Spirit it is clear it means God's Spirit. Water?

Ephessians 6:26, "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,"

Peter 1:23, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Also James 1:18, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

So when one hears the living Word of God, that Word produces repentance in their heart and desire for a new clean life with Jesus, then next the Spirit of God regenerates their heart.

2. Spirit Baptism.

On Pentecost during praying.

In Cornelious' case when hearing the Word of God. This is the only case that matches with the way new birth occurs.

In Samaria when the apostles laid hands on believers. Similarly in Ephessus. Similarly in Paul himself.

In Luke 11:11-13, "...if ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?". So when we ask God in prayers to baptize us in His Spirit.

WHEN?

When Peter preached to Jews on Pentecost He clearly places Spirit Baptism after believing and getting water baptised, Acts 2:38, "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Also verse 41 says that all of them got water baptised afterwards.

Pt 1. Hello Chris

Thank you for your response. I will make some comments and leave this subject, unless you would like us to keep on.

Firstly I can not accept the idea that things used to be otherwise in the early times of the church than nowadays. In such a case the Bible does not serve as a ruler to compare things with the Truth of God's Word. In the case that things change anybody can claim anything and nobody can check if something is right or not. This is not to offend you but it is something I firmly believe.

I do accept the change in your life. In John 1416-18, Jesus said to His disciples, "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for HE DWELTH WITH YOU, and shall be in you.". That is how the apostles were clean. It was the Spirit who worked in them, although it didn't dwell IN them, He actually dwelt WITH them. So the Spirit works in the heart of a born again person, although He may not dwell in them.

But lets take it from the begining

EXTERNAL MANIFESTATION OF NEW BIRTH AND SPIRIT BAPTISM

1. New Birth

In that famous discussion between Jesus and Nicodemus, Jesus explained how new birth occurs, John 3:5-8, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

Jesus said that we can not know how new birth occurs, there is nothing to show that a person is saved, not any external sign but only their life (this doesn't mean that one can not leave their good course later on)

I'm sorry, but scriptures like this make me wonder if Jesus was anything more than a very kind and wise philosopher. It contradicts his own teachings. Calling your friend "Satan" because they don't want you to die?! Even if Jesus' death was ultimately good for us, there's no way Peter could have truly known that. I guess even Jesus could be in a cranky mood sometimes.

All "the things of God" are about loving other PEOPLE. We can only manifest our love for God through our treatment of each other. It's too convenient to "put God first" in a vacuum where you never have to ACT on that love. God cannot die; people can. God cannot starve; people can. God doesn't reproduce; humans do. God doesn't take up space or dillute resources we may want for ourselves; people do. Many "things of men" ARE things of God, like marriage, brotherhood, charity, medicine, math and language, and much more. Things that help us fulfill Godly ambitions, not things we designed for our own pleasure and convenience.

Hate to sound like I'm arguing with Jesus. Maybe he was referring to something else about Peter that isn't mentioned there, I don't know. Just don't see how it could be "Satanic" to warn your dearest friend away from a brutal death. Especially if you don't know that their death will be good for everyone else. In that case, Judas should be considered a hero for turning on him.

2 Timothy 3:16,17 What do you all think?

Yes thanks

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2 Timothy 3:16,17

Like your reply,

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2 Timothy 3:16,17

Beautiful reply,

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