Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 292

Jimbob,

I agree with you that Jesus covered things that will happen during the end times. But it is true that He was speaking to the twelve.

The only thing I would like to change is my statement saying "Jesus is not speaking about people enduring through the end time tribulation."

That would be incorrect for me to say that. There will be people who endure and will make it through the tribulation. There will also be people who get saved during that time.

So, as for that statement I made, I would like to change it to read "Jesus is not speaking about the church enduring through the end time tribulation."

Blessings!

I do believe that he will come back. Thank you Jema! I know what i want to do know!

Will I still go to heaven if I'm a good person but don't worship the lord?

I'm sorry Gigi I forgot. The secret of God in Deu is in the book of Daniel and also in the book of revelation. After Daniel wrote the book he was told to seal it. Then in revelation remember at the beginning John cried because no one can open the book until Jesus stepped up. He then opened the book and John was about to started revealing of Gods plans in steps.

I hope this helps. Need more info please let me know. Thanks and God bless

Adam, the parable of the sower shows some that accept the Word of God, then turn from it for different reasons and 2 Peter Chapter 2

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

So, yes I believe one can lose their salvation. On the verse James 5:20 "Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." this is speaking of hiding a multitude of the "sinners" sins, not the person who helped him out of it. It's assumed that the person who helped him out of it is saved and hasn't fallen away, he is already covered by the blood of Jesus.

Hope that helps, God bless

Thoughts on James 5:19-20

19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

NASB on verse 19 instead of "err", it says "strays" from the truth.

NIV says "wander" from the truth.

James is written to Christ followers- the twelve tribes and calls them brothers and sisters and the writing seems to suggest they have faith, like 1:3. And suggests they have assemblies (church) like 2:1.

First thing I notice is it acknowledges that a Christ follower can fall away, stray, wander, err from the truth. This might mean the Christian temporarily is not following Christ, maybe takes a detour, gets a flat tire, gets confused and goes the wrong way for a short time like I do when driving. Some Christians believe it is impossible to stay or fall away, so this verse might be a surprise to them.

Next, it suggests that the one who stayed is endanger of hell (save a soul from death), so this err from the truth is quite serious.

But it suggests that someone who helps correct the person shall hide/cover a multitude of sins. This is the part I find most interesting. What do you think it means? Could those like Billy Graham who spent their lifetime preaching and trying to convert the lost have more forgiveness or more 'more' grace?

I think I understand . Romans Ch 8 verse 15 and Galatians Ch 4 verse 6 . Do you believe that Christ will return to earth to set up his Father's Kingdom ? If no , what do you believe is the future of this earth and everyone on it ?

Hey guys. To Dr Lee. Look in Geneses chapter 6. The sons of God saw the daughters of men and went into and made giants.

There is different verses that God refers to angels as sons of God. If you what be happy to send it

To Gigi

In Isaiah he writes about the fall of Lucifer. In it he is referred as (SON OF THE MORNING). We looked and except in one place does it say (SON OF THE MORNING STAR). That was at the end of revelation. They were referring to Jesus.

God created the angels. He called them Sons of God. Now (SON OF THE MORNING). Son here is Lucifer / morning is God! In revelation (SON OF THE MORNING STAR). The son (star) here refers to Jesus. And the Morning is God.

If more info is needed please let me know. With much love and God bless

GiGi Gbu....But Jesus neva said his kingdom was not of this world.... John 18:36...What he actually said was my Kingdom is NOT NOW of this world...Gi Gi you leave out the (NOT NOW) to keep your false doctrine of no kingdom on this earth..Which is not true.

.....But Rev.11:15 is very clear....The Kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER...No offence Gi Gi But you do greatly err...And God sends an angel to preach the everlasting gospel to all that dwell on the earth... Rev 14:6...Do you see the folly of your doctrine...of no kingdom on this earth...And Jesus sends his disciples to preach the gospel to ALL THE WORLD TO every creature....And sends the manchild the H.G. that Child of Promise to rule ALL NATIONS...Why wd God do all these things if there were no kingdom on this beautiful earth....Beautiful for situation simply b/c its gonna be situated in our hearts where the KINGDOM SEED IS SOWN

....And Isaiah 11:9...( says that KNOWLEGE shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...Thats y he wants to KNOW US...Remember that tree of KNOWLEGE in the Garden of God...And Habakkuk 2:14...Knowledge shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas and the Earth shall be full of the GLORY OF THE LORD....(THE KINGDOM)....This knowledge is an intimacy that is gona result in a birth of Christ in everyone...Thats y Jeremiah saw ALL men in travail and birth pains... Jeremiah 30:6...We are gonna birth a baby Christ which is the H.G...That Child of Promise...If i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me...Jesus plainly tells us the Kingdom of God will come as a man who sows seed in his field....And he said the field is our hearts the world....But we must remember that this is the bridegroom speaking...Thats y he has to know us in order to sow that heavenly seed in our hearts....Which is a baby Christ...Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil CHILD you will in no wise enter there in...The man child.

if the husband likes to dress as a baby Does this give the wife grounds for divorce according to the bible?

Knowing God vs knowing about Him: reflections on Good Friday

John 14:9 shows how Christ rather emphatically questions Philip as to his compression of God the Father when in the presence of His Son. This verse is by no means isolated where He states what seems to be obvious as to His inevitable death on the cross; as well as His divinity. Matthew 16:17 shows what seems to be an incredible swing in Peter's life from supernatural wisdom from the Spirit; to being influenced by Satan himself just a few verses later in Matthew 16:23 when Jesus says "get behind me Satan."

Mark 10:33 as well as an equivalent passage in Luke and others in Mark 9 make it clear that Jesus repeatedly explained His fate.

This should serve as a warning to us; along with of course Peter's prophesied betrayal and denial of Christ (which BTW also was what the other disciples did; without making such a bold proclamation of loyalty as Peter did).

The Pharisees; clearly should have known who Christ was; as well as those residents of Chorazin; Bethsaida and Capernium ( Matt. 11:21-22) whose judgments were to be greater than Sodom and Gomorrah who apparently would have repented seeing such things. This is; to say the least a sobering statement. Clearly apart from Divine Revelation we all are blinded.

Romans 5:7-8 shows how although someone may die for a righteous man; for wicked rebels as us who would want to do so?

But the Father from the beginning had some who would be called His own; and chosen (see John 6:37 and many other verses in John on the subject of Predestination also some of my segments on that subject in discussing John).

As the Spirit strives against the flesh ( Galatians 5:17); we realize that we don't love God in our old nature once the Spirit takes residence. We understand not only consequences of our sin; but that we don't want to grieve the Spirit ( Ephesians 4:30). It must be love which leads us to obedience ( John 14:15). Apart from grace our efforts are in vain.

Thoughts on Christ's sacrifice and how it should mirror our own journey as pilgrims on the earth ( 1 Peter 2:11).

The Lord along with at least 2 Apostles lived with an understanding of their time of death approaching (Paul after being warned what would come to pass in Jerusalem; and Peter after Christ's questioning his love for Him). There was always care to the disciples in the case of Christ; and the church in regard to Paul's ministry in particular but certainly Peter and others as well which superceded their own sufferings. This takes Spirit filled living of course; as well as loving our enemies ( Matt. 5:44). Jesus showed the ultimate example of concern at the cross (See John 19:26-27) when John brought Mary into his home (indicating; of course that Joseph had passed away by this point along with his absence in this passage).

Our natural inclination would be to react as Matthew 16:22 as Peter did to the thought of Christ going to the cross if we are honest. Good Friday is only good to us if we go beyond some ritual commemorating suffering without understanding His substitutionary death results in our atonement and ultimately commenced in victory at the Resurrection. This is how ugly our sins were and of course it demonstrates how we were yet sinners and Christ died for us; His enemies ( Romans 5:8). Christ; of course chose to do the Father's will; He was in one sense the victim of circumstances; but these were predestined to bring us to glory. The Father in Isaiah 53:10 was pleased to crush His Son; we cannot comprehend this as to the Godhead; or as to how great His love is for us.

Therefore let us commit our whole lives to patiently serving God; and believing that He is a rewarder of those who do good and diligently serve Him. ( Heb. 11:6). May we minister to the Body as we are all adopted sons; and no longer of this world. Isaiah 53:11 shows how Christ will enjoy the result of His suffering; Psalm 91:16 may apply to our future as well.

Ezekiel 20:36-40 is an interesting read; and it seems to show how at the end of the Tribulation God will judge the Jews in particular as to who is suitable to enter into the Millennial Kingdom.

As you probably are aware; many elements of the Exodus are similar to what goes on during the Tribulation judgments; such as water being turned into blood andarkness being brought to part of the earth. The hardening of Pharoah is much like the Antichrist after he rids himself of the two witnesses (a bit like Moses and Aaron in their prophesying). We see the physical preservation of those that escape the "flood" that comes out of the mouth of the Beast ( Rev. 12:15)-called the serpent. Much like the Egyptians on their suicidal mission to get the Jews back we see Antichrist and his armies fighting Christ at His return ( Psalm 2). There are some who physically survive and thus; are judged as to whether they are true believers or just rebels from the remnant who haven't taken the mark of the Beast among the Jews; it would seem. It is a sobering thought that circumstances don't change sheep from goats; as we see another rebellion at the end of the Millenium after a world that is as close to Paradise as mortal man can experience.

On this day; of course we are reminded of Christ's sacrificial death; atonement and ultimate Resurrection defeating death and hell as a result of our sins which He took on when nailed to the cross. Isaiah 63:3 and many other passages demonstrate that the wrath of God must be satisfied either in His method of substitutionary sacrifice or in His wrath at Armageddon when He judges the world or at the death of all unregenerate individuals suffering their eternal fate separated from God in hell.

Let us live consistent with being a peculiar people ( 1 Peter 2:9); also referencing our priesthood (it is good to read the whole verse). The hidden inner man is what contrasts us from the rest of the world; not an outside veneer of religion.

Very interesting , thankyou , I did not realise that .

Yes , hard copy would be better for me , I'm not great with little things , I like to spread things out on the floor or my wall . I have a big chart showing the genealogy of Jesus on my wall . Thanks for the info though , I will have a look and see if I can find them .

My real name isn't Jema , does that matter ? I'm nervous on the web so never give my real name , heard a few horror stories about cyber bullying and stalking . No one I know uses their real name , not women anyway , don't know about the guys . Does it matter ? God knows who we all are and He is going to give us all new names :) .

Hi Slaney,

I agree that being obedient is commanded and important for people intending to follow Jesus. If they aren't following what Jesus says its a valid question to ask if they are following Jesus at all.

Not sure exactly what you meant by gospel teachings not covered.

The teachings in the NT echo those in the OT. The ten commandments are still applicable. "Do not kill", for example. Or bearing false witness (lying).

Romans, James, and other books describe good works is good. Doing good doesn't mean you're trying to earn heaven and bypass grace- that is the number one false assumption some young Christians make- and some just can't seem to assume the opposite that good is bad, and going bad is good. Clever switcharoo by the enemy to convince people of this. As if Jesus in the Bible is teaching us to NOT do what He says, but, nonetheless, this has to be explained quite often. But thankfully, its in the Bible, so people should just read what it says directly. For example: James 2:14

Jesse, I'm sorry but I only read your first page so far, but I have a response now. Speaking of ( Mt 10:22) ( Mt 24:13) and ( Mk 13:13) You said, "Jesus is speaking to His 12 Apostles. This is a training of the 12 which is outlined for us in verses 16-42. Jesus is not speaking about people enduring through the end time tribulation" You also said "In verse 22 Jesus says "And ye (the twelve) shall be hated of all men for my names sake, but he that endureth to the end shall be saved" He's speaking to the 12". Jesse you say Jesus is speaking to the 12 but if we read ( Mt 10:19-21) v19 Tells us "when they ((deliver you up)), take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak". v20 Tells us "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you". Now when does this ((deliver you up)) take place? ( Mk. 13:4-8) v8 Tells us "these are the beginnings of sorrows" ( Mk. 13:9-13) v9 says "for they shall ((deliver you up)) to councils" v11 says "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost". These next verses ( Mk. 13:14,19,20) Tells us And ye shall see the abomination of desolation standing where it ought not, (which will start great tribulation). Jesse you said "some take these verses and try and tie them into the end-time tribulation period, and they say that the church will go through this and the ones who shall endure to the end, shall be saved" ((deliver you up)) is tied into the end-time tribulation period through these verses. These verses about being ((delivered up)) are prophecy for the end-time tribulation period, that is in context! Jesus IS speaking about people enduring through the end-time tribulation in those verses, Doesn't this ((deliver you up)) time period ((prove)) that?? Thank you Jesse

Thanks brother Jesse for your detailed response on these verses, which has indeed blessed me & helped in my understanding of those passages. Just two matters to bring up if I may: I can see where Jimbob gets the 'hupomeno' application for the word (not the phrase in context), as I also see that under Strong's# 5278. But I read that that word cannot be read on its own as it cannot make sense or fit in with what is written. So, the verse in Greek would read (& correct me if I'm wrong): 'ho de hupomeinas eis telos houtos sothesetai', which clearly modifies 'hupomeno', so that it can be read as intended & given.

The other point that came up from reading through your pages, was the great lack of pulpit preaching & teaching about the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life. This might be generally believed by all because God has given His children His Presence within them, but how often we fail to apply the significance, the power, & the manifestation of God's Spirit's Work in our lives. We may then be persuaded to read the NT as 'Jesus has done His blessed Work at Calvary to save & redeem us unto the Father, but now we must do our part to maintain that new life & bring honor & glory to His Name'.

On the surface this would be commendable, but we would miss out on the vital message of this new life & new indwelling Spirit: that the Spirit is continually present & continually working in & through the believer's life; that the very presence of a child of God in a godless world, is the vessel of Light & Truth that must shine and that Light will continue to shine & affect others if we are conscious of the Holy Spirit within & allowing Him to work out God's Purposes through us. Our efforts will be there for sure, but if our efforts are a result of the Spirit's out-working, then Who is actually doing the work? And who are the vessels, purified, sanctified, "and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work"? ( 2 Timothy 2:21). Every blessing brother.

Brother SSpencer;

I quoted scripture, is scripture a false witness, the name at the top of the page is not the one speaking.

Is scripture deception, or is the carnal mind the one that deceives.

John 16:8 And when he (the spirit of truth) is come, he will reprove the world of SIN

Do you believe he (the spirit of truth) will reprove THE WORLD of SIN?

You know he has eternity, is that long enough to reprove the world of sin?

If you believe man has to accept God's gift of his own self, then your don't really believe we are saved by grace and not works of ourself.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit IN YOU and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statues, and ye will keep my judgements, and DO THEM.

One of his statutes is to BELIEVE his words, Now, is he CAUSING you to believe, or is you carnal mind rebelling against his word.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

These are not my words.

Is it sin not to believe his words, is he going to REPROVE the WORLD of SIN?

God Bless you, my brother in Christ.

Is this Earl Bowman?

If so does God use the means of deception to get his message across? Or does he use all aspects of truth?

If God is IN you and God cannot lie, Would he use any means of deception to carry out his truth?

Proverbs 12:17-22.

Brother SSpencer:

I quoted you scripture.

You believe: because God CAUSES you to believe.

His WORKS.

He doesn't cause everyone to believe at the same time.

Paul didn't believe until God caused him to believe.

Everything has an APPOINTED TIME; it the works of God, his timetable.

He chose Jacob; and not Esau, before they were ever conceived.

Hebrews 11:20 By faith (by the spirit of Christ) Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau, concerning THINGS TO COME.

Jacob; the last, was given dominion over the first.

Genesis 27:37

The first born of flesh is not always the first born of spirit.

Matthew 19:30 ... The first shall be last and the last first ....

After the second resurrection, when Esau stands in his former estate, his flesh, he will be caused to believe and the yoke will be broken from his neck.

Genesis 27:40

All things were maded new by Christ resurrection, but all things have an appoint time to come to TRUTH.

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter POWER over the clay, of the same lump, to make one a vessel of HONOUR, and the other a vessel of DISHONOUR?

Daniel 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the world are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and NONE can stay his hand, or say unto him, what doest thou?

Jeremiah 18:4 And the vessel he made of clay was MARRED in the potter's hand, so he MADE it again ....

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit (when he chooses to do so), they are CREATED and thou renewest the face of the earth.

Ecclesiastes 3:1 To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven

Psalms 123:2 ...so our eyes wait upon the lord, UNTIL he have mercy upon us ....

NOT YET are ALL THINGS put under him; BUT, when they are, God will be ALL IN ALL.

God Bless you, my brother in Christ.

Hi Jema. There are several biblical timeline charts on the Web, though probably the hard copies would be preferable. Study Bibles should also have such a chart as part of their appendix of other helps, as my Ryrie Study Bible has. For me, I've benefitted from them more when considering the various kings of Judah & Israel & the prophets who ministered during their reigns. This helps to appreciate those prophecies much better & seeing them prophesying as another prophet in the other kingdom was uttering simultaneously. Of course, some dates given in the charts must be somewhat fluid, but on the whole, I think a good job of preparing such charts to help us, was done.

Your points are well taken Tammy. It's not just the differing words (i.e. wheat, tares, clusters of grapes) that are significant. It is also the application as to when & where these judgements are performed (& we can note several judgements made during those final days, whether of Reward, Great Tribulation, the Rapture, of Israel, or surviving Gentiles, of the anti-Christ, Satan & his angels). Anyway, we are not alone in this; there are many other interpretations to just these two passages, which may or may not be closer to the Truth. The benefit of hindsight (when prophecy has been given & we see their fulfilment in the Bible or in our world), is always much more accurate, even though we can still find disagreement. So these passages, like the matter of pre or post tribulation rapture, can never be resolved until the final outcome/evidence, yet we are told to be watchful & careful in our lives. But why people lean to one or the other(s) positions of the Rapture should be carefully considered as part of our examination of the Scriptures & this is what I hope readers here would be doing & also waiting on the Lord's Help.

Thanks for your time Tammy - I have appreciated it & I think we'll close off this subject here, finding it beneficial to provoke our further search of the Scriptures. Every blessing sister.

Donna Stephens, aka Ruby Lea Read aka Earl Bowman. Whichever you truly are, your style and theology give away that one person is behind these post, I think.

So, I will ask you to let me know, Donna, are you also Ruby Lea Read and/or Earl Bowman? It would be good to know.

Dear Lydia, can you tell us what you want help with? We would love to be of help to you.

oops I meant to say that Jesus has power over Satan.

(Part 5):

Jimbob,

Paul wrote to Timothy in 1 Timothy 4:1, and he said now the Spirit speaks expressly that in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of demons. We have that in our day. It even happened back in Paul's day and they thought that it would really be a serious time. It was for them, but it's gotten worse!

As far as endurance goes, God produces endurance in us. God works in our lives to produce the endurance we would not be able to manufacture by our own efforts. He does this as we properly respond to our trials. When we go through trials and hardships, even severe persecution, God gives us the ability to endure through them.

You listed persevere as a definition which is correct. Perseverance of the saints means that God keeps believers by his power, and strengthens their faith so that they can persevere. Perseverance of the saints is God's work. God uses various methods to cause believers to persevere. We are put through trials, we are tested, but we will persevere, we will endure because Christ in us gives us the ability to endure.

Lastly, if I may share a couple of quotes:

"The one who endures - This statement in one sense describes the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints. Genuine disciples will endure to the end of their life or the end of this age not by their own efforts but because the indwelling Spirit enables them to endure to the end. Endurance does not save anyone but it demonstrates that one is truly saved! Stated another way, it is not one's endurance (self-effort or works) that saves them but that one is able to endure because of the fact that they are saved."

(Charles Spurgeon)

"Faith that perseveres is faith endowed and sustained by the indwelling Holy Spirit of Christ.

(Matthew Commentary)

Blessings in Christ!!!

(Part 4):

Jimbob,

I agree with you on 1 Peter 1:7 that "This verse tells us our faith will be tested before the appearing of Jesus Christ." Christ has not appeared yet, but yet our faith is being continually tested every day. We do not know the exact time that Christ will appear, but our faith is presently being tested.

Here is what I see in 1 Pet. 4:12-13:

In Verse 12, he says beloved (which is an affectionate term for those who are loved by God, the objects of His love). Then he says think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you. Don't be surprised. Don't think it strange. The term fiery trial in the Old Testament is the word for furnace, and it's used for the refining processes of the metals. It was introduced to us a little in 1 Peter 1:6-7, wherein you greatly rejoice, (that is, concerning your salvation), though now for a season, if need be, you are in heaviness through manifold temptations (or trials): that the trial of your faith, being much more precious than that of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto the praise, and honor, and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

So, he's already introduced it and said that you rejoice over your salvation, but for our time here on the earth, you'll be going through the fire, the refining process. He says think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you. Trial means to approve of something after testing.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:3, it says "falling away." The Greek word is APOSTASIA. It's the word apostasy. So first of all, there must come an apostasy first. Apostasy means that people will leave the truth of the gospel, leave the faith in Christ, and it will be a godless world more and more. So first of all, there must be an apostasy against God and the gospel.

(Part 3):

Jimbob,

2 Timothy 2:11 is the creed for the servant. When we see the phrase "it is a faithful saying" in the New Testament, it is literally, "the word is faithful." It was a phrase used in the New Testament church to say that these phrases were going around various churches, coming from various teachers and apostles that were not found in scripture, but were considered to be the word of God at that time. There was no New Testament. So, whenever a teacher says this is a faithful saying, it means this has been established in all the churches from the apostles and others, and it can be considered to be the word of God.

2 Timothy 2:12-13 should be taken together. If we believe not, yet he abides faithful: he cannot deny himself. This is the creed for a servant. Whatever hardship I must go through to serve Christ, if I be dead with Him, if I suffer, I'm going to live with Him and I'm also going to reign with Him. I've entered into the sufferings of Christ, not my sufferings, so that as I identify with His life and sufferings now, one day I'm going to reign with Him.

In Matthew 24, if I begin with Verse 1, it is easy to see that Jesus is speaking to the Jews, not Gentiles, and not the church. Matthew 24:9 says, "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake." These are to the Jews. We are not suffering, nor will we suffer any of these things. The reason I say this is because Jesus is going to give direction as to what they (Jews) are to do about it. This lines up of with the fourth horse, the pale horse in Revelation 6:7-8 where death comes. He says, they will kill you: and you should be hated of all nations for my name sake.