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Romans 2:11

Ephesians 6:9

Further insights on coming of the Lord and 2 Peter 3:9

When we consider how God is patient and wanting to see no one to perish we certainly are aware of different perspectives of this statement. A Universalist; for example would take this to mean that eventually all will be made right with Christ (i.e all will be saved). This; of course is a spurious argument for what should be obvious by many other verses such as Matthew 7:13-14.

A second thought is that God is waiting to give everyone opportunity to "choose" whether or not to "accept Christ as their personal Savior." I am not going to use this space to delve into that argument either; I will leave it at this; in the end a set number will come to Christ and the same can be said for those who aren't ultimately saved. No matter how you slice it; Christ is already Lord and King of Glory whether or not we decide to acknowledge it; and if He truly is Lord then we can no longer dictate our own lives as to the terms of redemption or how we choose to live our lives after we are saved.

It makes more sense to me to look at those who are called and chosen as to their whole time frame (pre and post their statement of faith). We need to keep in mind that we were all following the god of this world before coming to Christ and therefore enemies of God. As such; we are under the mercy of His Divine Lordship as to being offered terms of peace and reconciliation through the means of the atonement. So His longsuffering is just as much for His people as for the unsaved masses in general in forestalling His judgment (and I would argue more so).

Whether we sling the term "common grace" to the fact that there is some comfort for the unregenerate while still in this earthly existence or not; we all need to realize that if saved we are dead to our old nature and lives on this earth. Pleasure only is for those He has called out ( Psalm 16:11) and there is no peace for the wicked ( Isaiah 48:22 and many other verses).

2 Peter 3:9

This passage indicates that God is not slacking concerning His promise in regard to the day of the Lord. This would be indicative of a number of promises.

First of all; this would be the immediate reception in heaven after our resurrection or rapture when we would be glorified; and recieve the reward for our service or lack thereof throughout our earthly sojourn. As I have repeated many times; Revelation 3:11 warns us about another taking our rewards; and that comes after the verse immediately preceding about the Philadelphia church escaping the trial which will come upon the "whole world."

Secondly; we have the whole Body of Christ which returns as the armies of heaven along with Christ in Revelation 19; and rules and reigns with Christ in Revelation 20 during the Millennial period (and also throughout all eternity in the new heavens and earth in Rev. 21.)

Thirdly; we have the physical changes on the earth and the restoration of the animal kingdom with the WOLF laying down with the lamb (not the lion as is a common misnomer but that is certainly possible as well in verses such as Isaiah 11:6). The final change in Revelation 21 will involve once again as was in he beginning one land mass with the removal of the sea.

Finally; of course we will have Satan's restraint and after the 1000 years final punishment. Perhaps this is the most underappreciated aspect of the change. After all the art of war will no longer be pursued at this point ( Micah 4:3). What the enemy would love to reflect in today's world system is the external glamor of earthly gems and jewels; physical beauty; power; influence; control; hypnotic trance through music; media; drugs and whatever means an "equal opportunity destroyer" would fathom to blind men to the truth will be gone; the veil lifted from their eyes ( 2 Cor. 4:3-4). This evil has caused all creation to groan ( Rom. 8:22); along with the accumulated sin and decay of a fallen creation awaiting restoring.

The timelines were taken from Google.

Hello Adam . You may be pleased to discover that in many congregations and parts of the world outside of the U.S.A. , baptism is required before a person can become a member of the congregation . Having lived in Europe and Africa , I can tell you that most congregations are very old in their history , unlike the more modern congregations of North America . In these older congregations , many of which are hundreds of years old , all members must confess their faith and be fully immersed in water to be baptized . Baptism seems only to be neglected in the more modern civilisations , so take heart , there are millions of baptized Christians all over God's earth and they are still coming to Him through Christ and baptism into his death and new life .

I hope this helps:

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 3:21 - The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Galatians 3:27 - For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Acts 22:16 - And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Romans 6:4 - Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Is the church the elect? ( Isa 45:4) This verse gives us two key words ((elect)) and ((called)) The word ((elect)) in Hebrew is #972; it means select, choose, chosen one, (choice) The word ((called)) is #7121; it means to call out loud, properly ((TO ADDRESS BY NAME)), that are bidden, call (for, forth, self, upon) This verse also tells us God (called) His (elect) out loud by name. ( Mk 13:20) This verse gives us two key words also ((elect's)) and ((chosen)) The word (elect's) in Greek is #1588; it means select, by implying favorite, chosen, to select, make choice, choose (out) chosen. The word (chosen) is #1586; it means to select, make choice, choose (out) This verse tells us that God has (chosen) His (elect) in whom their names will be called out loud! ( Acts 2:47) The word (church) is #1577; from "2564" it means a calling out, "2564" to call aloud , to "call" aloud, call (forth) whose sur- name (was (called) Now remember ( Isa 45:4) Tells us "For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine (elect), I HAVE EVEN CALLED THEE BY THY NAME: I HAVE SURNAME THEE, though thou hast not known me.". Do you all see this? The (elect) are called out by name and the word (church) true meaning says (whose surname was called) ( Col 3:12-15) Verse 12 Tells us God is speaking of His (elect) Verse 15 Tells us the (elect) are (called) in one (body) The word (body) is #4983; it means the body (as a sound whole) "safe" to save, i.e. deliver or protect. ( Col 2:17) "the (body) is of Christ". So the (body) of Christ are those who are (called) out loud by name, the (chosen) the (church) the (elect) These Scriptures are saying the church is the elect. The elect are gathered together in ( Mt 24:29-31) Immediately after the tribulation. Those who do not agree with this just "Please" show where this is wrong ((by Scripture)) Blessings. Truth matters!

Numbers Chapter 3

This chapter addresses the role of the Levites before the Lord. The descendants of Aaron are listed. Two of his sons were killed for bringing strange fire before the Lord. Lev. 10:1-2(Nadab and Abihu). This left Eleazar and Ithamar. These two served Aaron in his High Priest duties and were taught by Aaron what would be expected of them when they served as High Priest. They served as priest before the Lord with Aaron and after Aaron died.

Then God told Moses to assemble all of the tribe of Levi before Him, noting that these males were His, as He spared the first born from the death of the first born in Egypt, God determined that firstborn males are set apart for Him, but he chose to have all males of the tribe of Levi be redeemed unto him in place of the first born males of the other tribes.

These Levite males were assigned to the service of Aaron's descendants. Levi had three sons: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari. The descendants of these three sons were all given to the Lord's service. Each of the clans of Levi had specific duties to do concerning the care and transport of the tabernacle and all of its furnishings. So, I do not think that any Levite could cross over and do the job of one from another Levite clan. They most likely had to stick to what was assigned to their clan by the Lord.

The Gershonites were to camp on the west side of the tabernacle; the Kohathites camped on the south side; the Merariites camped on the north side. Moses and Aaron and their sons, camped on the east side to guard the entrance of the tent of meeting.

The Levite males were numbered and there were 22,000. The first born males of the other 11 tribes were numbered and there were 22,273. Since there were more first born non-Levites than Levites, the heads of the 11 tribes needed to pay a specified amount to the Levites to redeem these sons over 22,000. (273)

Moses' sons were not singled out like Aaron's sons were, but most likely were numbered with the Levites.

1.Timelines

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Earth is 4.54 billion years old,

------------------------------------ our ancestors six million

-------- ------"Adam," our oldest relative 207,000 BC,

---------Noah's flood 2,348 BC.

----Joseph 1,700 BC

---- Moses 1,500 BC

-- Genesis 600 BC

Puzzle 1

Given these timelines, how reliable is the Genesis' account of the human story? Who is the author?

Hey S Spencer,

I thought you were on vacation and was not looking for your response, hope ya'll had a good time. What do these verses mean to me? John 17:22-23, the first thing that I see is John 3:16, God's love. He sent His only begotten Son into this world to die for us so that we who are called believe. God's Word, the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God.

The will of the Father that sent His only begotten Son who did the will of the One who sent Him that we may know the only true God. John 17:1-3 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

The antichrist denies this. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

John 17:20-21 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

May we be as one, one body in love, all working together as Ephesians 4:11-16, and not as Ephesians 4:17-19. It starts with repentance, if one cannot see the need to repent, there is no hope of salvation.

God bless,

RLW

Hello, I believe the largest % of Christians say no, but what's most important is what the Bible says about it, not just what a group of people say. Is water baptism a command from God? Yes. Acts 2:38, 1 Peter 3:21, John 3:5, etc.

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Of course you will have people get excited about this, twist scripture, and try to convince you that its not important- that was the Bible says isn't what it says. Is the goal of Christianity to obey Jesus or to disobey? I would think those who genuinely love Jesus would just do what He says. John 14:15.

It was important enough that Jesus himself was baptized and told everyone else to. I would see only upside in doing it and a downside in stubbornly refusing to. Another question worth asking is would you ask Jesus the same question, even though He already said to do it? Hope that is helpful. God bless.

do u have to be baptised to get to heaven

Hi lisalou....this is the way i look at that....TASTE OF DEATH....When Jesus said to count the cost he was telling them they had to give away everything they had...They had to give it all away...Which is death to our old old adamic nature.

....Remember Paul said i have suffered the loss of all things and count them but dung that i might win Christ.... Philippians 3:8...kjv...And some had left their families their wives and Children in order to follow Jesus....They went thru a type of death.....They tasted DEATH spiritually speaking....He that loveth wife and Children more them me is not worthy of me....They tasted death, its not easy to forsake everything you have and follow Jesus...But the early Church did that....They sold everything they had and divided the money....They tasted Death....If a man forsake not everything he has he cannot be my disciple....Thats y he told them to count the cost b/f you follow me....Its gona cost ya everything....maybe even your life...They tasted death...Alex

I agree and even some times I think that I don't have as much faith as Peter. For Peter got out of the boat and did walk towards Jesus. And though he denied that he knew Jesus, he did fallow, where the others fled. Some days my faith is like Peter's and then some times its like Thomas's. Thanks Pule Radase for sharing!

Gi-Gi...Yes we still use the written word but listen to what Paul is saying....1 st Cor. 13:9...We know in part we prophesy in part etc but when that which is perfect ( the New Covenant) That book in the fathers right hand....is come that which is done in part shall be done away with....Gi Gi....We don't wanna be married to the written word but to the living word...That New Covenant...Remember that image in Daniel 2 that had the head of gold....It was all in parts...From the head to the foot all in parts...But a stone cut out of the mountain had to strike the image on his feet then it was all dissolved....Even its head of Gold...Modern day Chritianity is that image....Thats y Paul is saying when that which is perfect is come ( the new covenant the book written in his blood ) The stone ( the seed of the sower that has to be sown in mans hearts... That which is done in parts shall be done away with....Yes we love the bible but the bible is not the living word...That New Covenant...The Church has to be married to Christ the living word much greater then the written word...We don't wanna be married to the written Word...the old covenant word.... but to the living word Christ Jesus....Its Christ that is the bridegroom not the bible..

..... John 5 :39...Thats y Jesus said search the scriptures ( the written words ) In them you think you have ETERNAL LIFE BUT IT IS THEM THAT TESTIFY OF ME which are living words....The H.G. The babes and sucklings as that which s born of the spirit is spirit the H.G....a living being....Our new hearts and new spirits are living beings...Much greater then written words...Thats y Isaiah is saying a lil Child is gonna lead them...a living being ...which is that spirit of truth that is gona rule all nations....Thats y the scripture is saying...2 Cor.3:6 God has made us able ministers of the New Covenant...Not of the written word but of the living word....The written word is a killer but the spirit gives life..My Words are spirit and life..gb

Hiya GiGi...Lemme tell you thats this New Covenant is not about written words....But about living words a living being has to be born in us which is that N.C....You are of the same mentality as old Israel...They knew the bible by heart....They were sola scriptura...But God was not pleased with Israel....They stoned most all the Prophets and rejected the Christ....The written word did not help them 1 bit....The written word answers to the lesser light...David comes to mind....Thats y God wanted a new covenant....Remember Jesus said no man desires New wine....they say the old wine is the best wine....Thats you Gi-Gi you do not understand that Jesus made a new covenant in his blood but this N.C. Requires a new bottle....A new innerman which is the H.G....You are in essence saying the O.C. is th best covenant....That OLD WINE...The written word is not the N.C....The N.C.is a birth of Christ in us...You gotta realize that Jesus shed his blood to bring in a new covenant...Which is the H.G. a living being that has to be born in us..which is our new bottle that is given the spirit without measure..Israel cd not obtain righteousness by the Torah the written word....Thats y the scripture tells us if righteousness came by the law the written word then JESUS SHED HIS BLOOD IN VAIN..Gal.2:15....And the Cross was just foolishness...Thats y Jesus refered to himself as the Son of Man....Simply b/c mankind has to birth a new innerman...A New bottle that cannot break when that NEW Covenant in given to us sinners....But you continually to lift up written words not understanding that Israel was sola Scriptura...Written word only...But there was none righteous no not one...Thus the need for a new covenant in his blood @ Calvary...Thats y the New Birth is so important....She brought forth a manchild which was her new innerman the H.G. The Children of Promise....our new bottle that cannot break living words, living beings...Gi-Gi behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of world.

How little is your faith Peter?

How little is your faith Peter?

When he had to walk Peter sight showed him the impossible of the journey, same to us today We are like Peter with little faith.

How little is our faith when we are suppressed by poverty and inequality and we have to walk through pain and injustice?

We see the situation it's walking in the waters, We see it like Peter and we sink in deeper into poverty we Sink deeper into that inquality because we are afraid to walk afraid to stand because little is our faith that I can, God is the way, God is the life and God is the truth, even though I shall walk in the valley of death I don't fear no evil at all for I walk by faith not by sight, I see it all but I know like Daniel my God is alive by faith not by sight. How little is your faith Peter? How little is your faith?

I think it's a verse of shared goals, shared vision, shared race and shared responsibility. Let's take Jesus Christ and the 12 disciples before Christ came to them they were not only scattered like sheep's but more over each one had his/her own views about the world God and creation, till they met the son of man whom vision and goal is to make known what is new of God and over throw the hypocrisy inside the house of God, already his spirit is one with God but to carry out the vision, the message and the new kingdom he rose the twelve to enlighten many to come after him.

In Unity Paul and Timothy could preach the same Christ who doesn't manifest in the same form to both

Numbers Chapter 2,

In this chapter YHWH give instructions on how the tribes will be formatted around the tabernacle. They were not to camp too close to the tabernacle where YHWH dwelt in their midst. But this formations shows that He is central to the people, equally available to each tribe. Only the tribe of Levi is to encamp near the tabernacle so as they can perform their duties as priests. The people of each tribe are numbered, as to the men. But the Levites are not numbered.

With the tabernacle in the center, there are tribes encamped equally to the for quadrants, east, south, west, and north, forming a cross when seen from above.

God's arrangement of the tribes was a sovereign choice. The people did not discuss whom they wished to hang out with around the tabernacle. God decided and that is that. No discussion, no squabbles, just obedience and glad acceptance of God's wise choices.

Hello One Eighty,

I just suggest that, like me, continue to read the Scriptures, both Old Testament and New Testament. The more you read the better You will know God.

Be blessed tonight.

Hello LaTonya, so glad to hear from you again. I will certainly pray for your friend.

Abenavides,

Where do you live? There was a report of such things as you say in California, I think. It was explained as "space junk" re-entering our atmosphere. Maybe you can find an article on it to find out more. But it must have been a bit unnerving.

I have seen such things streaking across the sky before, most likely a meteor or 'space junk" Also, I was in the parking lot of the grocery store and saw (along with someone from another car) a huge triangular silent black spacecraft flying low over the treetops just a few hundred feet from where we stood. I live near Ft. Lewis/McChord base here in Washington. So it must have been some sort of new military craft being flown. Happened about 25 years ago. Was pretty weird, but I think that usually there is a reasonable explanation for things such as you described. If these lights went in a straight line without any maneuvers, then it was most likely a meteor or "space junk". Rest easy.

Hello Steven, welcome back.

Steven, I do not wish to rehash the discussion that was going on about the pre-trib rapture. But I will say that I was definitely not trying to stamp out anyone who believed in the pre-trib rapture. I intended to present what I knew from studying Scripture.

It seems that you have mischaracterized me here. I have studied Scripture all of my life. I have not read as much on "Christianity" as you seem to claim.

As I said before, you do not know how much I know and understand about Scripture, so your negative evaluation is unmerited. There are some biblical topics I understand better than others, but I am not as uninformed nor lack understanding as you seem to have implied. I don't think anyone on this forum has everything figured out.

As far as eschatology is concerned. I don't have answers to all of your questions about the millenneum nor all the OT prophetic passages. But I can honestly say that I do not think there is any biblical support for the pretrib-rapture. It is never explicitly taught anywhere. I also do not adhere to dispensationalism, which is an extra-biblical system that must be studied out side of the Bible to learn what it teaches. I do not find anywhere in the Bible that says that there are seven dispensation, nor that there are two distinct peoples of God, nor that Christians will spend eternity in heaven while Israelites will spend eternity on earth.

As to what happens after Jesus returns after the tribulation and we are either resurrected or transformed, I do not wish to speculate on this too much. When Jesus returns, I know that whatever He has planned to happen after that event will be great for believers and I trust Him in how He reigns.

For the future, I would just ask that you share your view in discussions without defaming me. By your response tonight, you don't seem to think that you were wrong in any way with what you posted concerning me, but I disagree.

For now, I am done with this topic.

Gigi.

We don't all have to agree to be peaceful, but we can be honest, and I have always been honest with you.

I've always thought you studied "Christianity" more so than studying scripture and has only a basic understanding,

More like studying a history book but far from a scholar or anyone with any authority.

I've always mentioned that and you shouldn't be surprised.

You have said the Old Testament and eschatology wasn't your strong point and that is well understood because you would have to know somewhat about the Old Testament and the promises to Israel to understand eschatology.

You recently said this topic wasn't as important as soteriology and it was a topic that divides the body of Christ.

It does if we can't agree to disagree when prompt.

GOOD NIGHT. AND GOD BLESS.

Gigi.

You stated; "we should be mindful of interchange with a person who claims repeatedly that they do not read posts, only the first lines and then decides not to read further, but still responds back to you to say he did not read what your response to him. That is odd behavior to me" End quote. What are you insinuating?

Here is what I said;

Jimbob

I never honestly read the reply and not going to. I only read the first sentence of this post and immediately lost interest. I didn't go no further.

(..I was thinking it may have been something about salvation...)

I'm sorry I have read very little of your replies since your initial post unless it was directly to me.

Nothing recently.

After you said you don't won't to talk about salvation I decided to agree to disagree, and I hope you can respect that.

God bless. END QUOTE.

When I said we will have to agree to disagree it wasn't accepted.

Then I continue to get replies such as this.

Here is where I went back and researched.

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Link:text=S%20Spencer%20You,you%20are.%20Blessings.

Here is my response;

Hi Jimbob.

Didn't you say you do not care to discuss Salvation?

And on it went.

After all of this I declared the reason I never commented on the initial post.

I said this post seems to be a invitation to a debate and to seek and stamp out anyone that holds the pretrib view and after several weeks it appears that I was right considering the attempt to force me to engage when I clearly said I wasn't interested.

I have ignored these types of posts often, on all topics when presented that way.

God bless.

Hi Gigi.

I returned from my vacation and find there is much confusion that I may be a help in clearing up being I am that someone you are speaking to Jimbob about.

First of all I love to share on eschatology, and you want find no where I have gotten bent out of shape on the topic.

And I didn't engage in this topic from the beginning because Brother Chris was very much engaged and I wasn't interested enough to even follow Chris writings.

I was occupied with sharing with brother Ronald and could hardly keep up with him. What caught me attention was a response by Ronald and Jesse and then a interesting take on 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8 by Chis where I complimented him.

I believe that's when Jimbob responded to me! We had a short peaceful back and forwards from 03/02 on through 03/08.

What ended it for me is on 03/08 I asked Jimbob did he care to discuss soteriology and here is how that went.

"Jimbob I see you Brother Chris and others have covered much of this topic. I'm not sure what you guys covered,

I haven't had the chance to read much of it.

I believe we will have to agree to disagree on this topic.

However I would love to discuss soteriology with you.

I don't believe the eschatology views have anything to do with whether one is saved or not.

May I ask How do you feel about that?

Are we saved by grace?

Works "of the Law"?

Both? ect..

Jimbobs Answer;

"S Spencer To say Rev.2:10 is speaking of 10 persecutions that happened around the 3rd century is one I have never heard before. As for discussing Soteriology, Thank you for the invitation Spencer, But I do think I'll pass that one up. Blessings."

Again, my response.

Thanks and God bless Jimbob.

That ended it for me.

Anyone can go back and see for themselves it was nothing like the picture you are presenting.

There was no hostile involvement on my part.

From there you, I and others spoke on dispensationalism.

out of space see part 2.

Agree S Spencer, We must be born again: John 3:3 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I have a Book by George Vooris One of the Greatest Bible Scholar of the 1900s and President of The East Coast Bible College. His Book Gives Several Different Options and Scriptures as the Identity of the 2 Witnesses and His Personal Belief. But He also States that All of it is just Speculation. That Literally Nobody Knows. And if We Still Believe in The Rapture then Christians will not be Here to Identify Them Anyway. We will be in The Presence of God. I think that in itself Settles all the Back and Forth Comments. Because Common Sense is not really that Common.

Mikey Out. Oooooh Yeah!!!!

I just Read for 5 Minutes of Back and Forth wasted Time. If I do and I Still Believe in Something that not Many do Today. It's Called The Rapture. I could Strain at Gnats and Swallow Camels all Day. But the Truth of the Matter is I'm not going to be Here to Know Anything that Happens in The Bible after Revelations 3 . I Study this Material also but I don't get Tore Up about it because it's like a Company that's going Downhill but Im getting Ready to Retire . I'm not going to be there to see the Fallout. So Goodbye World and Hello Jesus.

Mikey Out. Oooooh Yeah!!!

Amen Tammy C.

Matthew 7:13-23.

Here are some interesting points highlighted in this discourse;

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many WONDERFUL WORKS? (The wonderful works is not disputed.) There was a outward show of holliness.

And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (CHRIST WILL PROFESS TO THEM HE (NEVER) KNEW THEM! They were NEVER connected to the vine. He NEVER knew them!!

Our outward act needs to generate from within!

This is a circumcised heart Paul speaks of in Romans 2:29. This is not done by man it is done by conversion!

It's what the the Jews couldn't do by self-effort by following command.

This is also what Jesus is telling the scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23:25-26; Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

This is baptism by the holy spirit. We are quickened by the spirit! Christ IN us!

Romans 8:11-14. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

FOR AS MANY AS ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD, they are the sons of God.

It IS NOT HOW BUSY WE ARE!

IT IS HOW BUSY CHRIST IS IN US, IS THAT WHAT MAKES US SPIRITUAL.

Also, Philippians 1:6.

And if Christ is performing in you, you will have the fruit of the spirit present NOT the works of the flesh!

God bless.