Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 307

Jema I agree with you completely. Thank you for your comment. God Bless.

Saddle-Shop-Ministries You are very welcome. I'm glad my post was helpful in some way for you. God Bless.

I think the verses you've used have a theme of what a Christian's behavior should be. So, if a Christian says they believe in Jesus, they do well, because even the demons believe. But a Christian should have an outward sign of belief in their works/behavior/fruit. Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." 22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

So called Christians thought they were saved, but Jesus said He never knew them, because they were workers of iniquity (sin). They never repented.

John 17:22-23.

what does these verses mean to you?

1 john 2:5-6.

but whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of god perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

he that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

this is a condition exercised by the influence of the lord being in you!!

so this is uniquely performed amongst brothern!!

john 13:34-35.

a new commandment i give unto you, that ye love one another; as i have loved you, that ye also love one another.

( by this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.)

this is salvation at work!!

you shall know them by their fruit! matthew 7:13-23.

one can profess to believe in a grace based relationship with christ or even deceive themselves to believing they have a grace relationship with christ but can't display the fruit associated with what they claim to be truth.

this is not christ "in you"

however, there's the spirit of antichrist in th world.

1 john 2:18.

little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

this is why we examine ourselves.

they lack fruit!

1) they hate the brothern.

2)thet dont inwardly have what's mentioned in galatians 5:22-23.

"love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

they that are christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

contrary to fruit is;

idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:

if we live in the spirit, let us also walk in the spirit.

let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

sadly a part of eschatology that won't last a week.

god bless.

Hi Jema, I thought I was responding to you in a reply but it seems to have gone to Lisalou. Whoops, sorry for the mix up.

HMM. Lisalou, I meant to send this to Jema, don't know what happened.

Love your name, by the way.

Yes, Jema, God inspired ALL of Scripture to be for ALL people in all nations in all ages. We are not to "divide up" Scripture like the dispensational doctrine says in order to identify some Scriptures to be solely for the Jews or Israel and not for the Christians, and other Scriptures as being solely for the Church and not for the Jews or Israel. This approach goes directly against what Paul says in 2 Timothy 3:16 that ALL Scripture is God-breathed and useful for all people for Doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction for godly living. To dismiss some Scripture as being applicable to Christians (as dispensationalism teaches) Allows ANYONE to eliminate whatever they do not like to apply to themselves, which is dangerous.

But anyway, we can all embrace ALL of what God has to say to us in the Word. And we can pray that for a willingness to submit to sound instruction from the Word and from those God places in our lives to instruct and guide us in our Christian walk.

God's blessing to you, Jema, today and always.

Alex, continued

For instruction in righteousness, so that the man of God may be perfect (complete), thoroughly furnished (equipped) unto all good works."

Alex, I pray that you will stop dissing the written, God-breathed Word of God, along with the church as a whole. Your disdain for what God calls us to respect, love, and uphold is concerning. If you truly believe that believers do not need any one else to teach them, then why do you post on here and tell people that they are in error followed by your "correction"? If what you say is true about each person learning by the Spirit without the input of others, then we can just disregard what you say because, according to your view, we have nothing to learn from you.

Alex, you know that I love and care for you, so this is not an attack on you, rather it is a logical response to what you have posted. I hope you have a good day. You do not need to respond back.

Alex, God used men to spread the gospel and teach others as He commissioned the apostles and many other disciples to go and teach all nations what He had taught them. And then, He inspired men to write their teachings in letters to the churches and in the gospel accounts as well as Acts. God used Moses to write the books of the Old Testament and David and others to write their psalms.

Anyone who resists learning from others resists God's ordained way of building up the body of Christ. Your prejudice against the church is so evident, as you indicate that you are a loner and separated from any oversight over your Christian walk. Of course, we have the Holy spirit within us since our conversion, but the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write that we are to submit to those He has put over us to teach and direct us in the Word and in how we live out our lives in Christ ( 1 Cor. 16:15-16; Heb. 13:17)

You can "keep telling me" of your take on this till you are blue in the face. I will not heed what you say because it goes against Scripture and shows a lack of humility, reveals an unteachable spirit where you lack a willingness to learn from others whom God may send to you to instruct you. You have shown by your repeated posts with the same narrative that you hold to some grievous errors that have been addressed by myself and others on this forum repeatedly.

We are told in Scripture to test what we hear preached, taught, or promulgated by people who claim to be Christians to be sure that it aligns with Scripture. The words of Scripture are our guide to sound beliefs that will keep us from straying into false beliefs. This is what God has chosen for His Church as a means for instruction and for bringing people to faith in Jesus. But, although you cite Scriptures regularly, you say that the letter kills.

We are told in 2 Timothy 3:16 that "all Scripture is given by the inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, .. continued

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.....that good may result.

Why should the good appear in evil's form; and is it not deception if it does?

For now, I feel inclined, perhaps inspired, to continue believing God is FULL of love, thus leaving no options that He can oppose Himself by being anything other than Love. In this manner, I CAN recognize what truly is from God and what is not, lest I be confused.

God Is

Blessings to All

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I would very much benefit by being capable of differentiating between the Goodness of God (Agathos in Greek, thank you Jesse) and what is not considered as His goodness, i.e. His Love, and what is not His love. Occasionally, I read the comment God is "full of Love," yet I perceive from others that in this "fullness" a combining of what does not appear to be love. It's very confusing in my ability, or inability to reason.

Apparently, God is the Cause of catastrophic events that take away the lives, and/or injure and cause pain and suffering of many, including children. Perhaps it is only some events, not all; yet how can I tell which come from God and which from the "devil". Is all sickness from God because He allowed it OR caused it, and is its purpose to teach OR to punish? Is punishment correction. Is this a part of the Agathos of God. I can comprehend our God given free will by His allowing us to choose what is harmful to us; it seems we do this quite well ourselves without needing any additional cause.



Can fear be an ally with love, when we are aware Scripture says that perfect Love casts out fear? Is wrath synonymous with love or with hate, or both? How can one be certain Who and What our Heavenly Father Is? If God is the Author of fear AND Love, then what purpose does Satan have or even need?

I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here, though I've seen that happening quite often, recently. I am sincerely attempting to understand. Please, for your own sake, not mine, don't condemn others with labeling them as unsaved, or anti-Christ, or heretical, etc., when an individual is earnestly seeking simple truth.

Paul stated that we should not do evil that good may result, and in doing so their condemnation is deserved (personally, I don't adhere to condemnation). Yet I constantly see that true principle completely overlooked AND forgotten in Christian thinking, thus projected onto God that He is capable of doing evil that .......

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Joleen, I will pray for your mom, you and your family today.

Dear Heavenly Father, we come to You once again on behalf of Joleen's mother. We ask in the name of Jesus that You will relieve this mom of her constant pain. Bring a solution to this health problem that is effective and restorative. We also pray for Joleen and her family, that their faith in You will increase and grow stronger. We ask that You will call them to Your Word often and build them up through the intake of Your Word. May their mind, soul, and spirit be renewed daily with the power to subdue doubt and the workings of the enemy. We ask that You help them in their faltering and in their distress, Lord God, that they all may build one another up in their faith and that each member of this family submit to Jesus, for His yoke is light. thank you Jesus for carrying all of our burdens, discouragements, weaknesses, and sins to the cross and all that Your sacrifice avails for us. hear Joleen's cry for help, Lord, amen.

Hello Adam, I will pray for you and your friend today.

Heavenly Father, thank you for caring for each of us daily and keeping us in You through Your Son, Jesus. In Jesus' name, Father, we ask that You will give Adam healing and relief from this health problem that affects him daily. Teach Adam to always look to You for all things. Also, we pray to You for Adam's friend who is much pain. Help him, Father, and bring him relief from the pain of his ailments. we ask that You cause these ailments to be healed and that he may be restored to better health. Amen.

Jimbob! That was a really good to read. I'm in 1 Corinthians right now and I'm doing a sermon on (What Is A Godly Foundation?) Your comment couldn't have come at a better time. I started it off with 1 Corinthians 1:12-13 and then all of 1 Corinthians 3.

Thanks to you I have a lot more verses/passages to look at. So thank you! God Bless!

Yes Jimbob all the Bible is written for all believers . No matter what time they have lived in or do live in , no matter who the letters are addressed to it makes no difference . All of it is for us and to us and it should all be read as a personal letter to you , to me etc . It's not like reading a novel , it has been preserved for our benefit as individuals . God is all knowing and beyond the constraints of space and time , so is His Word , it is everlasting in its righteousness and wisdom .

If the body sleeps in death, does the soul go to heaven? And if the soul goes to heaven are the bodies resurrected for life on the new earth?

Proverbs 20:1 about drink

Thank you Jesse , I know I often forget that were thousands of people who followed Jesus and heard his words so yes , I think it's very probable that Stephen was in that crowd and Jesus may have know his fate well before his actual stoning . It's logical to think that this phrase was to do with the transfiguration because it comes straight afterwards . I remember also that it was Peter James and John who witnessed the miracle of the twelve year old girl brought back to life by Jesus . It seems these three were in some way special to Jesus and I think it was because they would be leaders after his death . These three would need the strength that witnessing these miracles and visions would give them in the future . They would be persecuted and tortured and would have to be very strong in their faith in order to stand this awful treatment and , in order to convince others of the Truth, they and us , need to be convinced in themselves because this conviction would shine through them and their testimonies and help to convince others . Always enjoy your posts thank you for replying to me .

Jema,

Thank you so much for sharing this. That is something I had not considered before about what Stephen had seen. That is very interesting. Could this have meant that Stephen was in the crowd of people listening to those words Jesus spoke? It is possible that he could have been there, so what you are saying makes sense. Thank you again, and please know that you've explained it quite well. And also, I think you are amongst many patient and caring believers here, so nothing to be concerned about with that!

Blessings to you!

GiGi Thank you for your response. I agree with you Paul was warning believers at Corinth to not let their minds be corrupted, but these verses are also prophecy for us today. These verses are all warning us how deception will be in the time we are living now, the Lastdays. All the verses provided in the post are for the Lastdays which is now. ( 2 Cor 11:14) Satan himself will be transformed, (disguised) as an angel of light, that will happen when Satan is cast to the earth in ( Rev 12:7-9) I think this will be the time of great tribulation, the last 3 1/2 year period. ( 2 Cor 11:15) This verse is telling us that his (Satan's ministers) are (disguised as Christian teachers and pastors) they will be disguised as ministers of righteousness. (Obviously this will not be all Christian teachers and pastors, but we should take heed to these warnings of great deception in the time we live in now coming from Christian teachers and pastors) ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3) Starts with "Let no man deceive you" This verse is prophecy for us in the Lastdays its just before the man of sin, the son of perdition is revealed, the antichrist. ( 1 Tim 4:1) Is speaking of the "latter times" that's the Lastdays which says "some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to (seducing spirits and doctrines of devils)". there will be great deception in the Lastdays time period, which is now! ( 2 Tim 4:3-4) Tells us "The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine" (This sound doctrine would be uncorrupted doctrine, which is Truth) Again this would be speaking of the Lastdays. GiGi these are all prophecies for the time we are living now. This is why its so important for us (for everybody) to believe the Word of God as it is written. (We should not add to, nor take away anything from Scripture) And never take any mans word for the truth, unless it is clearly backed by Scripture. Thank you GiGi, God Bless you.

Alex,

The New Testament was written in Greek, so learning what the Greek translation is of a passage and gaining understanding of the Greek (that is much more exacting than English) is helpful. It is the language God used as He inspired the writers of the New Testament. We should respect that and be willing to learn from this language. Same is true of the Old Testament, written in Hebrew, which also is a language that has far more depth than English. This is the language God used to inspire the writers of the Old Testament. So few of us know these languages, so I truly appreciate it when people who do know these languages provide us with their knowledge of Greek and Hebrew. We are lucky to have Giannis and Jesse here to teach us. God uses believers to teach one another. We should be willing to make use of this way God teaches us along with what the Holy Spirit teaches us in our personal reading of the Word. It is the same Spirit that instructs in both circumstances.

I do think that most of us on this forum are here to learn from Scripture from one another, not just to post our own interpretations and not be willing to learn from others. So, we should be humble and recognize our need for one another and value how God uses each other to help us grow in faith and knowledge of Scripture and especially of Jesus Christ.

Hello Jimbob,

In the opening of this chapter Paul is warning the believers at Corinth to not let their minds be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. (verse 3). He says he is jealous for the believers with godly jealousy (verse 2) having espoused these believers to only one husband, Christ Jesus. Then he goes on to speak about anyone who come to them preaching another Jesus (a false Jesus) or another gospel false statements about Jesus and how we are saved from our sins) or if anyone receives another spirit (a deceiving spirit rather than the Spirit of God) (verse 4)

In this chapter Paul is comparing himself to false teachers and apostles, boasting a bit in his qualifications which include his sufferings and persecutions. And then in chapter 12 he speaks of having visions and revelations from the Lord, even being caught up to the third heaven and experienced things he is not allowed to reveal.

Paul did not need to prove himself as a minister of the true Gospel because his message is truth and his lifestyle shows his conversion to be true and wrought by God on the road to Damascus. But, because of the false teachers who were comparing themselves to Paul and the other apostles, he needed to speak up about them and warn these believers in whom he labors in love.

For us, knowing the true gospel of Jesus Christ and having the Scriptures to teach us are things we treasure and are to guard against corruption from false teachers. So, having a comprehensive knowledge of Scripture should be our goal in order that we can recognize false teachings and identify those who teach and preach falsely by a different spirit that the Spirit of God.

Also, we are to take care that we ourselves are of the faith passed down from the apostles and knowledgeable of sound doctrine so that we, ourselves, do not promote false teachings. Any one of us can fall in this way, so we are to watch our closely and continue in the doctrine of the apostles as the believers did in Acts.

GiGi,

Thank you for sharing that. We are also told in Hebrews that Jesus Christ is the APAUGASMA, or outbeam of God's glory.

Pierre,

Again, no offense taken. Also, I have never once told anyone that they need to learn Greek!

Pierre,

No offense taken!

I don't expect anyone to reply to this post, I am honestly not trying to start anything just let the post speak for itself. ( 2 Cor 11:13-15) The word (false) is #5570; it means a spurious apostle, i.e. pretended preacher, false teacher, untrue, erroneous, deceitful, wicked, liar. The word (deceitful) is #1386; it means guileful, to decoy, a trick (bait) wile, craft, deceit. The work (workers) is #2040; it means a toiler, a teacher. The word (transforming, and transformed) is #3345; it means to transfigure or ((disguise)). The word (ministers) is #1249; it means a ((Christian (teacher) and pastor)). ((Note the words that have (teacher) in the true meaning in the Original language)) ( 2 Tim 4:3-4) The word (sound) is #5198; it means to be uncorrupt (true in doctrine) The word (doctrine) is #1319; it means instruction (the function or the information) learning, teaching. The word (teachers) is #1320; it means an instructor, master, teacher, teach. ( 1 Tim 4:1) The word (depart) is #868; it means to remove, to desist, desert, draw (fall) away. The word (seducing) is #4108; it means roving (as a tramp) by implying an impostor or misleader, deceiver. ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3) The words (falling away) is #646; it means defection from truth, ("apostasy") forsake, something separative, divorce, a (writing of divorcement) ( Matthew 7:15) The word (ravening) is #727; from "726" it means rapacious, extortion, "726" is (((Harpazo))) it means to seize, catch (away, up) pluck, pull, take (by force) This is truly worth doing a little more studying if you don't see it but are seeking the Truth. Read over this a few times and let the Word speak for itself, Please. Truth should be the most important thing we seek and desire today. May God be with all who seek His Truth in His Word. This post is not meant to offend, but to share Truth. Blessings.

Jesse i love ya no offence....But we cannot lift up the Greek language to teach us anything of any spiritual value....As John says in 1 John 2:27....Its the Anointing we receive of him that abides in us that will teach us all things...Which is the gift of the H.G. That Promise baptism that is gona teach us all things...Remember Jesus said its the H.G. that is the gift of God....Not any certain language....But a living being that has to be born in us which is our new innerman, That New Creature....The Child of Promise....As Isaiah says a lil Child is gona lead us....Which is that which is born in us of the spirit...That Living word a living being .Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in etc...Which is that Spirit of truth that is gona rule all nations...But we cannot tells folks they need to learn Greek thats in essence is saying the H.G. The anointing wd need to learn Greek to minister or teach us all things ....As the Anointing is God....And is the Promise Child...As the woman is Rev. 12 is giving birth to the manchild....That Child of Promise that is gonna rule all nations...The anointing that is gona teach us all things....He don't need to learn Greek....He ministers to us by his SPIRIT....By my spirit saith the Lord not by a certain language....Jesse we can hear his voice without hearing any language...Jesus told Peter Flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you but my father in heaven...Which is Spirit...O.K...... 1st John 2:27 The anointing you have received of him will teach you all things...Which is a spirit...our new hearts and new spirits the H.G....That Child of Promise....Nobody needs to learn the Greek language to understand the bible....But like I said no offence in Christ Jesus...Love ya dear Jesse....

Tammy C.

You are welcome. I am glad that you, too, are amazed at the goodness of God. Yesterday I went to our local plant nursery and picked out a group of plants that I do not have in my garden yet. Perusing the aisles of plants was so refreshing. I marvel at the variety God has created. I look for plants that add texture and unusual features. I plant my flowers in pots now. It is easier for me to manage. So, I was glad and thankful to find some interesting plants. Today, the weather will be warm, about 60 degrees, and sunny. So, I will replant these new plants today. Such a pleasure to do so. This, too, is God's goodness on display in the variety of plant life and in bringing about spring weather following a wet winter here in the PNW. Thankful for all of God's blessings today.

Jesse no offence but your take on the transfiguration is lacking....In all 3 of these transfigurations his raiment was white as snow....He was presenting to God a glorious Church without spot of wrinkle b/c of his blood....Its the Church that is that city on a hill that is the light of the world...As Matthew 5:14...He was impling that the Church is his raiment that is white as snow....i was in need of raiment and you clothe me...As Isaiah said he wd stain all of his raiment...which is the Church...There is no fuller on earth that can whiten us like his blood....Tho your sins be as scarlet ( the church) they shall be white as Snow...His Raiment was white as Snow....His face, his image was changed simply b/c he is gonna be married to the Church the bride...Thus we are gonna be made 1 with Christ the Bridegroom....We are that city set on a hill that is supposed give the world a light... Eph 5:27 That he might present to himself as Glorious Church without spot or wrinkle....His raiment was white as snow not having any kind of a spot or wrinkle....Which is us sinners that has been washed in his blood....And also Peter says he was with him on the Holy Mt when they heard this voice from heaven etc... 2 Peter 1:18....But ya gotta realize that his raiment was the Church that was made white as snow but his blood at Calvary....I was in need of raiment and your clothe me...ok lemme go

Jesse no offence but your take on the transfiguration is lacking....In all 3 of these transfigurations his raiment was white as snow....He was presenting to God a glorious Church without spot of wrinkle b/c of his blood....Its the Church that is that city on a hill that is the light of the world...As Matthew 5:14...He was impling that the Church is his raiment that is white as snow....i was in need of raiment and you clothe me...As Isaiah said he wd stain all of his raiment...which is the Church...There is no fuller on earth that can whiten us like his blood....Tho your sins be as scarlet ( the church) they shall be white as Snow...His Raiment was white as Snow....His face, his image was changed simply b/c he is gonna be married to the Church the bride...Thus we are gonna be made 1 with Christ the Bridegroom....We are that city set on a hill that is supposed give the world a light... Eph 5:27 That he might present to himself as Glorious Church without spot or wrinkle....His raiment was white as snow not having any kind of a spot or wrinkle....Which is us sinners that has been washed in his blood....And also Peter says he was with him on the Holy Mt when they heard this voice from heaven etc... 2 Peter 1:18....But ya gotta realize that his raiment was the Church that was made white as snow but his blood at Calvary....I was in need of raiment and your clothe me...ok lemme go