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Hello again, Jimbob,

We are told by Jesus in Matt. 7:15 to watch out for false prophets.

And 1 Tim. 4:16 we are exhorted by Paul to watch our life and doctrine closely.

Is it ever safe to believe a false doctrine? Will a false doctrine not prove to hurt us in some way? Can believing a false doctrine lead us astray or into further deception? I would say that believing what is false doctrine is always harmful to believers. That is why we are so warned by our Lord and Paul and the other Epistle writers.

So, while some will say that views on eschatology do not affect our salvation, you and I beg to differ with this idea. Also, agreeing to disagree is somewhat normative in today's circles. But for me, if some belief is proven false by Scripture, as you and I have done so concerning the pre-trib rapture in recent exchanges, we should challenge people to believe what Scripture clearly, plainly, and explicitly teaches and forsake beliefs that one "thinks" Scripture supports through implication, presumption, or by wishful interpretation.

I, for one, have had to change my beliefs on topics over the years when what Scripture clearly teaches shows me that my belief is wrong. All of us have needed to do this. For this, I am so thankful we have the Scriptures in hand in our own language to learn from what God has chosen to reveal to us. Being humble and submissive to the Holy Spirit when He shows us truth in the Word is how we all should desire to be.

So, we can always pray for God to show us the truth of His Word in areas where we are believing falsely and we can pray for others who are believing false doctrines. This is one way we can build one another up in the most holy faith. The other way is to bring forth Scripture that refutes false doctrines in order that those who believe such doctrines will submit to the truth of God's Word. may God be merciful to all of us who exchange here and may He help us to speak the truth in love on every occasion.

Jimbob, I agree with you.

Paul is clear in 2 Thessalonians 2 that there will be a great apostasy WITHIN THE CHURCH when believers will desert the faith or be deceived by the workings of Satan.

Perhaps many who believer the Pre-Trib rapture deception will be strong enough to stand against the deception of the Antichrist and endure the sufferings , persecution, and martyrdom of the Tribulation without losing faith or denouncing Christ. But Id do think that many who do think that they will be raptured prior to the Tribulation will indeed be deceived and turn from faith, as Paul says in this Scripture citation. Some are still new believers and/or are not very robust or mature in their faith.

The possibility of many falling away when Tribulation comes because they expected to be raptured will manifest in the day of trouble. So, yes, it is a salvation issue if people are deceived into thinking they will be spared from the Tribulation and Antichrist through a pre-trib rapture and then fall away when they are not raptured, finding themselves in the Tribulation times and under the deception of the Antichrist or the temptation to acquiesce by taking the mark to preserve their own lives. This could also happen to those who do not believe in the pre-trib rapture as well.

This is why we are warned by Jesus to be watchful, prayerful, prepared, and faithful to endure to the very end.

Matt. 10:22 Matt. 24:13 Matt. 26:41 Mark 13:35

Hello, Asafo,

Rev. 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new."

I won't be until the return of Jesus on the Last Day that we will receive our full redemption. We will be made new again through the resurrection or translation of our bodies. When that happens, we will never again know sorrow, pain, affliction, persecution, anguish. Jesus will destroy the heavens and the earth and make new heavens and a new earth.

In John 16:33 Jesus says, " In this world ye shall have tribulation: But be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."

Jesus said that this life will be full of troubles. Some due to sin and the corruption of this world: hardships, diseases, etc. And others due to persecution and sufferings because we believe in Jesus and belong to Him.

We can know that the sufferings we experience in this life are intended to perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle us in the one true faith that is in Jesus. 1 Peter 5 10

1 Peter 4:12-16 speaks of the our attitude in suffering and trials. We should not be surprised when it happens, rather rejoice and glorify God in our trials.

Asafo, this life is a fallen life. it is marked by our own sinful nature and that of every other person. The world is corrupted because of man's sin. Therefore, God allows things to happen in the lives of Christians to test us and build us up to be able to stand firm under trial and tribulation. One day we may have to face death for our faith in Jesus. We can see our temporary sufferings at the present preparing us to stand in the last days, if we live to be in that time of great Tribulation and apostasy that will come before Christ returns for us ( 2 Thessalonians 2)

But we look forward to the inheritance of eternal life and the full redemption of our body, soul, and spirit in the day of the Lord Jesus.

When He comes to receive us to Him, He will then bring the wrath of God upon the wicked and the corrupted earth. Believers will be not suffer this wrath.

Hi SSTeach,

I'm sorry you are facing such challenges.

Someone else just asked something similar this morning.

Have you read the rest of the Romans 2? I'd suggest starting with that.

I think a common underlying assumption is that we deserve to have good health, comfort and wealth in this life and if God is good then He'll serve me with that. I personally believe its the opposite. That we're not entitled to anything, that we're blessed and fortunate to even be alive at all and given this opportunity to serve Him (not ourselves), and that God created us for His pleasure, not our own. He's not a genie in a lamp existing to serve us. It's not all about us.

What is the purpose of this life? We will all die very soon. The end may come any day. There are no guarantees of anything. God didn't promise us health and wealth in the Bible. Anyone saying that is lying. All someone has to do is read the Word and you can see that it says the opposite- in this life we'll face many trials. And we as Christians will face persecution. We are being tested. People in the Bible who served the Lord didn't have massive health and wealth. Paul who wrote much of the Bible was chased by Romans who wanted him dead, was imprisoned, probably starved, maybe injured, walked probably thousands of miles in the sun, shipwrecked, and was allowed to have a thorn in his flesh- whatever that means. Job had everything stripped of him, faced enormous hardship. Other Bible people had all kinds of problems too.

1 Corinthians 10:13 - just as we wont be tempted more than what we can bear I think God won't give us more of anything beyond what we can bear. I think our character is being tested. I don't think God creates hardship directly but allows bad things to happen to us. Why assume that makes God bad? God allowed Himself to be tortured and die to atone for our sinful behavior- a gift if we choose to accept it. God allows evil to happen to us, because He loves us enough to give freewill. God bless.

Hi Asafo, have you checked the common questions area?

I don't think I'll rewrite my previous answers to this, but in summary, by what standard do we assume that dying is bad and suffering is bad?

Everyone on earth dies. Everyone on earth has discomfort and suffering on some level. The implied goal of these questions seem to ignore the afterlife and the goal of serving God. So, what is the priority, short term pleasure or serving God? The question also assumes God's priority is for our comfort. I don't think so. It may have been until the original sin, but if you read in Genesis the creation was cursed to specifically create discomfort. So why assume that God being good would somehow remove the punishment and curse?

Why does God say in Romans 2:11 For there is no respect or person with God and there are so many people with physical or mental disabilities? I have a daughter with profound autism and Raynaud's syndrome. She just had surgery to remove for hand due to Raynaud's and now we are waiting for her to wake up to see if she has had significantly more brain damage due to a massive seizure which put her in ICU. My husband has always had a difficulty understanding that and I am not able to explain in a sense of him understanding. We have had a few explanations previously and it seemed good, but when our daughter got hit with this, his faith seems to have gone down the toilet.

May God continue to bless us all and bring us all closer and closer to Himself everyday , through the name of Jesus Christ the Righteous , thanks to God for everything ! May God's will be done perfectly throughout this earth . Amen . Love to you all in Christ from me . Trust Him trust Him trust Him . Thank Him thank Him thank Him . All day every day REJOICE ! CHRIST IS COMING !

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If God is good and all-knowing ,then why is there much suffering in the world and what's God doing or done about it to curb the pending situation

Supporting you argument with tangible bible scriptures

Othniel is the first mentioned ( Judges 3:9)

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who was the first judge

In Acts 15:29 it says that the Gentiles would observe "That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled" concerning food. But Gentiles were not told to observe the other ordinances concerning food. I hope that answered your question. God bless.

Does Eschatology matter? Many people who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture think its not a Salvation issue. But is that true? You be the judge! In ( 2 Thessalonians 3:4) We are told that the antichrist exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Then in ( 2 Cor 11:13-15) v14 Tells us "And no marvel; for Satan himself is (transformed) into an angel of light. The word (transformed) is #3345; it means to transfigure or disguise. So Satan will be disguised as an angel of light, or as Jesus Christ. (Do you think those who expect Jesus Christ to rapture them (before) the tribulation will be deceived by this disguise? I would say there's a really good chance according to Scripture that they will be deceived) ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a (falling) away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. (This verse tells us to not be deceived by any means, for that day shall not come, (What day?) V1 Tells us what day? "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him". That day shall not come, except there come a (falling) away first. The word (falling) is #646; it means defection from truth, ["apostasy"] forsake, divorce, (writing of) divorcement. The (apostasy) is a writing of divorcement, so it would have to be speaking of True Believers in Jesus Christ who will fall away and receive a writing of divorcement before that day, which is "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him. That divorcement would be for worshipping another god! I've been told by someone on this site that Eschatology doesn't matter. According to Scripture it would seem that it is very, very important. I pray this post gets shown for all to see this truth. So that all who see this can be the judge of whether it matters? TRUTH MATTERS! Blessings.

I believe it means they will literally pass away. 2 Peter 3:6-7, the first time the earth perished it was by water, but the heavens and earth will be destroyed by fire. 2 Peter 3:10 says it again, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." But...we'll have a new heaven and a new earth, undefiled.

When the Bible speaks in a teaching capacity, it's to the man, brother, son, father, etc. There is a hierarchy, where Christ is over the man, the man is over the woman 1 Corinthians 11:3. But, yes, God's Word pertains to both men and women. Example, "brotherly love"...it's presented in the masculine, but it pertains to both brothers and sisters in Christ. I hope that helped. God Bless.

Hi Cheryl.

I will share my view.

In Luke 1:16-17 an Angel tells Johns father, "Zacharias". That he would have a son And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

John the baptist had a great crowd and devout followers and he preached the coming of their expected Messiah and King.

The pressing multitudes that had followed John continued to follow Jesus' ( Luke 5:15, Luke 12:1).

In the context of this chapter we have Jesus authenticating John's ministry.

SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE TEXT.

Mathew 11:12.

And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Let's look at the word violence in this text.

Greek:

Transliteration: biaz

Pronunciation: bee-ad'-zo

Definition: From G970; to force that is (reflexively) to crowd oneself (into) or (passively) TO BE SEIZED: - PRESS SUFFER VIOLENCE

The pressing multitudes that had followed John continued to follow Jesus' ( Luke 5:15, Luke 12:1).

This is what Jesus is saying "The kingdom of God suffers violence." Pointing to the huge crowds that followed John and that were now following Him, Jesus likens them to an invading army surrounding a city to capture it.

Look at Luke's account.

Luke 16:16.

The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

( From the days of John the Baptist until now," there has been an extraordinary rush of people pressing in from all sides eager to hear the gospel that they resembled an army trying to besiege a city.)

Matthew 11:14 he says;

"And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come."

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Hi Jimbob.

I'm sorry but I didn't read the original post. And only the first sentence of this reply. "Hello S Spencer Do you see how all the scriptures in this post are connected together?"

That's the honest truth!! That's all I'm reading.

The only lengthy topic I'm willing to engage in is SALVATION.

I will engage with one asking questions on eschatology but not stay there when there is a far more important issue at hand.

Jesus commissioned us to take the Gospel to the world!!

Eschatology tells us who and when he's gathering those he purchased.

If I refuse to preach the Gospel and prefer to discuss eschatology that's like trying to aboard a plane with out a purchased ticket.

One can take your view or mine but yet refuse the one who shed his blood on the cross, all our teaching eschatology is in vain.

But if one accepts the Gospel through our preaching the cross it doesn't matter what eschatology view he holds.

He's on the plane with ticket in hand waiting on takeoff.

God bless.

Hello S Spencer Do you see how all the scriptures in this post are connected together? If the resurrection is the last day, then that's the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds to gather together His elect. ( 1 Cor 15:51-55) and ( 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) and ( Mt 24:29-31) and ( John 11:24-26) Do you see they are all the same event? They all happen after the tribulation, which will be at the last trump when we are all changed. He changes our vile body that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body. ( Philippians 3:20-21)

Why would the wicked be taken?

"Now therefore, my son, obey my voice according to that which I command thee. Go now to the flock, and fetch me from thence two good kids of the goats; and I will make them savory meat for thy father, such as he loveth: and thou shalt bring it to thy father, that he may eat, and that he may bless thee before his death."

Genesis 27:8-10

"And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetched a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it. And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."

Genesis 18:7-8

These are just two examples. If you think God didn't intend for us to do this, then were Abraham and Rachel doing something wrong?!

Proverbs talk about a man committing adultery but I have not seen where it have talk about the woman. Does the verse not go for both genders?

Isiah 9:15 the ancient and honorable he is the head and the prophet that speaketh lies he is the TAIL. Rev 12:4 and his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth. The tail IS the antichrist. Daniel 8:10 and it (antichrist) waxed great even to the host of heaven and it cast down some of the host and of the stars(1/3) to the ground and stamped(held prisoner) on them. DAN8:11 yea he magnified himself even to the prince (probably arch angel)of the host. Rev 12: 1-5 is giving the bonafides of God's son (Jesus) and Satan's son the antichrist. Rev 12:3 Satan enters and Rev12: 4 says, and his tail drew the 1/3 part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth. Isaiah 9:15 tells you this is the antichrist ( prophet that speaks lies). Daniel 8:10 is talking about the same thing as Rev 12:4. Verse 4b and verse 5 go back in time and tells how Satan tried to kill Jesus but fails and Jesus ascends. Rev12: 6 goes forward in time to the tribulation and Israel fleeing.Heres is what's important Satan sees what his son accomplished by himself and decides to invade heaven with his few fallen angels and is summarily kicked out. Rev 12:10 Satan is kicked out and can't come back to accuse the brethren. Rev 12: 12 this is the 3rd WOE Satan can't get back into heaven and he knows it and he knows he doesn't have much time left. I must stop I am out of time but next time I will tell you why the antichrist was more powerful in heaven than Satan. I am a born again fundamental BAPTIST! I am a researcher and not afraid of the truth. Preachers are myopic and afraid of being ostracized if they were to teach any of this. There are a handful of preachers who know things like this . PRAY ABOUT THIS AND ASK THE LORD IS THIS TRUE!!!!!

Hi All,

Great to be here and to continually even though I learnt since I was a teen. I learnt to be Gods child, you have to accept Him as your personal Savior. Pastor prays for you and that's it. I only got Baptized 2 yrs later. Not totally understanding it as well.

Know I learn, you have to Baptized 1st as mentioned in Acts 2v38 In the name of Jesus Christ not in Jesus name ?

This discussion and Bible app is amazing. Reading all over again to really understand the Word.

Revelation 17:10,11. John says there are 7 kings ,5 have lived and died 1 is alive now and 1 will come in the future but rule for a short time. Verse 11 the beast is the antichrist (that was and is not) that lived in the past and died, and comes back as the 8th king but in the past when he lived he was one of the 7 kings. That why Revelation says several times he rises from the pit. God balances things and He does things for a reason. He took Elijah and Enoch to heaven breaking the normal rules because he was going to break the rules to allow the beast and the false prophet to ascend from the pit. Isa 14:9 is the antichrist arrival into hell. ISA 14:16 says is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble. 14:9 hell from beneath is moved.. 14:10 art thou also become as weak as we? 2 reasons this has not been understood until now, angels and humans are not in the same part of hell, an angel is invulnerable and is use to having unlimited freedom. Worst thing God can do is chain him from head to toe. Fire would have no effect on him. 2nd thing is chaper 14 jumps back and forth through time and talks about Satan then switches to talking about the antichrist. This is done on purpose to withhold the truth until the time is right and that time is now!

Cheryl

Matthew 11:12 Until the days of John the baptist till NOW the kingdom of heaven suffereth VIOLENCE, and the VIOLENT shall take IT by FORCE.

Yesterday was NOW, yesterday: Today is NOW, TODAY; and tomorrow will be NOW when it gets here.

The last day in God's word: IS ALWAYS NOW, it's been going on NOW for 2000 years. When you read and study God's Word, it is always in the sense of NOW.

The kingdom of heaven is CHRIST IN YOU, this was possible by the VIOLENCE Christ suffer for ALL mankind on the cross.

Violence has been happening "NOW" for 2000 years; NOW, today, earthquakes, pestilence, wars, death and destruction; NOW, today.

This is THE WAY God causes his people to TURN TO HIM, no one seeks him when things are going good.

Psalms 72 :14 He shall redeemer their body from DECEIT and VIOLENCE (by death on THE CROSS: you and Christ DIED THERE): and precious shall be their blood in his sight.

Revelation 18:21 The mighty angel (Christ is the angel of the Lord) and he shall take up a STONE (Christ is that stone), and cast IT (Christ) into the SEA (of humanity), saying, WITH VIOLENCE shall that great city of Babylon (your held captive in BABYLON) be thrown down (you and Christ) were crucified, and shall be found no more at all (you and Christ were resurrected as ONE NEW CREATION.

There was ONLY ONE BODY raised at the resurrection. Christ's BODY; by the spirit of the Father, was RESURRECTED.

You were married to Christ by that resurrection, you became ONE, you are NOW the body of Christ.

When you depart this body of DUST:

1 Corinthians 15:54 ... this mortal (body of dust) SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY .....

1 Timothy 6:16 ..... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY ..... dwelling in the light ......

Death is SWALLOWED UP in VICTORY .....you have become the IMAGE of CHRIST: to be forever a SON OF GOD.

God bless YOU!

Starbux....i disagree with you..1 st Cor.15:19...If in this life only we have hope in Christ we are of all men most miserable.....And Rev. 20:12....Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire....Which is that baptism of the H.G. and fire....The gift of God...And God is no respector of persons....As our God is a consuming fire....That is gonna consume all and everything not of him....ya gotta remember what Jesus said i come not to destroy mens lives but to save mens lives....If i be lifted up I will draw all men unto me....All Men...In Adam we all died but in Christ we will all live....I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me...Roman 10 :20...kjv....I'm talking about under this New Covenant Jeremiah 33:34.....I know that this is a hard pill to swollow...But we have to remember that While we were yet sinners Christ died for us....This is why I see the blood being applied to every sinner in the end...

....It wd make God a hypocrite if he applied the curse and stain of 1st ADAM TO ALL MEN NO EXCEPTIONS...But not apply the blessings and blood of Christ That 2 nd ADAM to every sinner....Ya see what i am saying....And thats what Jesus was saying when he said i come not to destroy mens lives but to save mens lives....Remember he rebuked James and John when they wanted to call down a literal fire on the Samaritans saying you know not what manner of spirit you are of.... Luke 9 :55....He does not want to put us in a literal fire but in a spritual fire....As our God is a consuming fire but God is spirit...Thus a cleansing fire...AS malachi 3 :2...Tells us..Whos shall abide the day of his coming, who shall stand when he shall appear for he shall be as be as a refiners fire and fullers soap when he appears....Which is baptism of the H.G and fire...A consuming fire ..That is gonna consume mans evil nature ...Bible cd not mention Christ a 2nd adam if his stain was not applied to all men.

thank u good lord, 4 saving me in a time of lost!!!!!

Please explain verse 12.

Thank you

Hi G.M. Donnetta....The most blessed woman in the bible was Mary...Simply b/c she birth Christ our savior but this is an interesting question....When that woman in luke 11:28... was praising Mary Jesus replied More blessed are them that hear my Words and keeps them....Impling that we can all birth Christ in our hearts by hearing his words as the parable of the sower tells us of them that hear and keeps his Words....The Wheat is a baby Christ...Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....That Woman ( humanity ) in Rev 12:10 is birthing another Christ..A Baby Christ the Son of man...mankinds fruit unto God....The wheat is a baby Christ simply b/c the sower of that good seed is Christ the bridegroom....And his words are his seeds....When he breathe on them he was propagating very God ...Thus them that hear his Words and keeps them are gonna birth a baby Christ....Which is the H.G. that Child of Promise....Thus we are all gonna be his mother when that book is opened that contains the words of life...That Jesus wrote with his own blood.....Who are my Mother and Brethren Jesus asked.... then he answered himself saying them that hears my words ( his seeds) and keeps them which will initiate a birth of Christ in us....She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations....which is the H.G. that Child of Promise to all the world....That woman in Rev 12 is humanity that hears his Words and keeps them resulting in a pregnancy then that New BIRTH....Whosoever receives one such child in my name receives me....Thats y he is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is that New BORN babe desiring the sincere milk of the word....Which is the H.G. our new heart and new spirit our new innerman....That New Creature ok lemme go

Hiya Leska....I think that the new heaven and new earth is just symbolic language of that New heart and New spirit that God wants to give us....The gift of the H.G....In Isaiah 66:22..It says as the new heaven and the new earth shall remain so shall thy seed and name remain b/f me....Which is the Seed of the Sower that will result in Christ being formed in us....Which is the H.G. his Name sake....As Jesus said the kingdom of God is gonna be with in you...And David said beautiful for situation the joy of the whole world....Its beautiful for situation simply b/c its gonna be situated in our hearts and Minds....With in us as Jesus said

.......But i don't think we are gonna see a literal New earth...or New Heaven....There is absolutely nothin wrong with this BEAUTIFUL earth or heaven....Its only mankinds hearts and minds that needs to be replaced....Infact in Rev. 11:15...The Kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he will reign for ever and ever....And He says he wd destroy them that destroy the earth....I think that New Earth and New Heaven is just the result of the new birth of that incorruptible seed etc...The living Word....When Peter said no more seas i think that is no more seas of humanity that have not been washed in the blood of the lamb....I will stain all my raiment.....With the blood of that 2 nd Adam....Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...ok Gbu