Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 318

Gigi.

You'll find Dispensationalism from

Genesis ch 1 - Revelation 22.

It's not a Scripture It's God's plan/program. described by a word.

Here is a portion of what you asked for.

Jeremiah 31:31-37.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of ISRAEL, AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH:

( NOT according to the covenant that I made with their fathers ) in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

SOME APPLY THESE VERSES TO US BECAUSE IT FITS, BUT IT IS REALLY TO ISRAEL.

THAT'S WHY THE ONLY OTHER PLACE IN THE NT WE SEE THIS VERSE IS IN HEBREWS.

Has this been fulfilled in (ISRAEL AND JUDAH) ? NO.

He uses both names here to single out a point.

WILL IT BE ? You bet it will look at verse 36 and 37.

Vs 36. If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

vs 37. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Continuing.

I was challenged that Jesus was created, as far as I know he was God in the flesh. Could you shed some clarity on this matter for me please.

Agree with GiGi here. This is not at all well written Alex. You get to explain a little better.

When Jesus was here on Earth, He was not bound. The Holy Spirit was bound to Jesus. Because He Himself says. It is for your benefit that I pass away. Then He will send the Comforter to us. Thru? John 16:7

What He had to do was to be obedient to Our Father God. Don't you think Jesus suffered during His time here on earth? In Gethsemane just before He was captured. Prayed He so earnestly that He sweated blood. Mark 14:35-36 Luke 22:44 Those Jews who are not in Israel but scattered around the times of World War II and before it. These were collected at least in Europe as the attackers made ghettos. All of these had free will to accept Jesus. And get the Holy Spirit. Just like us these days. So neither you nor I know if it was right Jesus saved people in the concentration camps. It's entirely possible it was. Yet they praised the Lord in their hearts, minds, and bodies. Even though hunger took them and famine was in the midst of those with diseases and worse, they had their faith in God. The Jews are God's people and have never lost sight of God. It is also why we should pray for them, pray for peace, and so on. It is our duty Alex. Our ministry is actually preaching the gospel also to Jews and not always just other Gentiles.

If it hadn't been for the Jews, we wouldn't have gotten the Bible, the Word that came alive to us. Praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ who managed to be obedient all His days! Hallelujah Amen. Thank you dear Jesus, And not just a man but one who also overcame death! Hence Christ.

Hope you can figure this out and not spread falsehoods in here on the web. Jesus himself spoke of the wheat. The wheat is the best grain true. There we can get nice good bread. Making beautiful cakes and biscuits. Sauces and porridges. Maybe even get fat. Matthew 13

Please Repent and come back to the truth. Luke 1 chapter. Stay strong in the word of God and never give up. gbu

GiGi It would seem we should be asking them some questions now GiGi, since Spencer's 5 page post to Chris. Mainly about something they both agreed that they do believe tonight. Its on page 5, and it says "I use a consistent, literal, face-value method of interpretation and understanding the entire Word of God, including prophecy. In other words "God says what He means, and means what He says" so I can take what He says at face value". Spencer and Chris believe in the literal interpretation of the Word of God yet if I'm not mistaken they both believe Jesus will come back like a thief in the night, a (secret rapture) when ( 1.Thes.4:16 ) is very clear He comes with a SHOUT, with the voice of the archangel, and with the (TRUMP OF GOD.) How can one say I believe in the literal interpretation of the Word of God and think this is a silent return? What about "God says what He means, and means what He says"? What about so I can take what He says at face value? I do agree with those words completely, EVERY WORD OF GOD IS PURE!! I'm sorry and certainly don't mean to offend anyone here but to say you take the Word of God literally and you believe God says what He means, and means what He says. And you both defend a pre-tribulation rapture as strongly as you do with absolutely zero verses that literally say the rapture, the return of Jesus in the clouds to gather His church is before the tribulation! And many just like 1.Thes.4:16 being a silent return, which just makes no sense at all. And you could say is almost the opposite of literal. You are saying you take the Words literally, but your beliefs are not in alignment with your words. I'm pointing this out with love as we are all children of God, please don't be offended. But please consider my words. Gal.6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Blessings.

That "Stone" is Christ.

You will find this in Acts 4:10-12 which itself is the confirmation Matthew 21:42 and Psalm 118:22-23 and 1 Peter 2:6-7

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The difference in severity can be taken from above.

If Christ is that Stone (which he is), then even common sense teaches that it is far better to fall on a stone than for a stone to fall on you.

Jesse Thanks for the reply. First I would like to ask you if you believe the KJB is the preserved Word of God? Ps.12:6-7 is Gods promise to preserve His Word forever. We do have that preserved Word today or those verses would be a lie, God cannot lie. Now the focus has been on Luke.17:37 which you say the word (body) could mean either a living body, or a dead body or corpse. The word (body) in that verse is #4983; it means the body (as a sound whole) "safe" to save, i.e. deliver or protect, save. So this (body) spoken of here is "safe" saved, delivered. It doesn't mean a living body, or a dead body like you said Jesse. If you look at Luke.17:37 you see that its just ((after))the verses that say "one shall be taken, and the other left". And the meaning of (body) is "safe" to save, deliver or protect, save. This is not speaking of a carcass that the fowl of the air will be filled with their flesh. Does it? Those taken are safe, saved, delivered! Where you are confusing the word carcass with the word (body) is in Mt.24:28 where it says "For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together. But if we look at this verse it happens during the tribulation because the next verse says "Immediately after the tribulation". The verses that say "one shall be taken , and the other left" in Mt.Ch.24 comes AFTER this, which would be AFTER the tribulation. Now if we add the meaning of the word (taken) from Mt.24:40-41 (taken) it is #3880; it means to receive near, i.e. associate with oneself (in a familiar or ((intimate)) act or relation) So the (body) of those taken in Lu.17:37 are "safe" saved. delivered or protected. And the word (taken) in Mt,24:40-41 it means to receive near, intimate act or relation. Jn.14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, AND RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF; that where I am, there ye may be also. The meaning of (taken) has the word (intimate) means a familiar friend, does that sound like a carcass to you? Blessings

Ruby Lea,

Last post.

'ye are gods". Your interpretation and Nocal's are wrongly dividing the word of truth and the belief you both ascribe to is heresy and evilly false.

Ruby, are you willing to believe what God says that He alone is god and there will be no gods created after Him? If you will not, then you are a deceiver and a false teacher.

And, as a reminder, I will wait for your answer on whether you are Earl Bowman or not.

Please know I write all of this in love, love for you, but more so, love for the truth of God in His Word an for the Love of God.

I have answered to your post using Scripture, as you asked. Please do not respond with a hyper allegorically Scripture twisting response. Just deal with the Scriptures as written without embellishing or inserting your thoughts within the Scripture to make it seem like the verse is actually saying what you are adding. That is deceptive and dangerous to those who may be led away into your error.

Jcolli9,

We see this in Revelation 12:11 which reads "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony;

Through Christ's shed blood on the cross, He purchased us, and died for our sins. We are now the overcomers because Christ overcame Satan at the cross.

That's why John says in 1 John 4:4 that greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world, and that we have already overcome the spirit of antichrist.

So they overcame him, in the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony. And they loved not their lives unto death.

I think that's interesting. How far along do I love my life? Well, I'm willing to give it up right up to death. I mean, that might be a little too far.

In the book of Acts, as Paul was traveling towards Jerusalem, there were different prophecies given along the way that if Paul was going to go to Jerusalem, he was going to be persecuted and taken captive there.

And so the prophecies didn't say don't go. The prophecies just said you're going to face trouble. You're going to be imprisoned. You're going to be chained.

Because of those prophecies, the Christians tried to stop him from going. But Paul says to them "I don't count my life dear to myself. God has told me to go. If that's what awaits me, so be it!"

I think it is interesting that he says I don't count my life dear to myself. But that's the way we have a tendency to interpret some things that happen to us. That's because we love our lives too much.

Just think if someone came knocking on your door and asked are you a believer in Christ, and you said yes, and they said come on out here, you're next to be put to death. They do not love their lives unto death.

Hope this helps!

What does it mean to love not your life until death?

Plz don't be upset with me....But the very fact that 6.5 million Jews died in Hitlers death camps proves we have no H.G. as a restrainer at this time....Remember Jesus said he wd be in prison...and naked and hungry....He is in bondage to the Tares satans seed....Thats y we cannot worship him till the kingdom comes....We must endure to the end.....Simply b/c we are in that time of bondage...I am the light of the world but the nite comes when NO MAN CAN WORK...Which is that time of the great falling away.

Ya gotta realize all this is a war raging with in us....The wheat and the Tares are sown with in us....Yes the wheat is the kingdom but the wheat is under seige to the Tares till the Tares are gathered and burned.

Its Kingdom against Kingdom....The Wheat are against the Tares....But we have to keep in mind Isaiah 3:7....I will not be healer in that day....Thats when the wheat and the Tares are at war....There is no bread in my house....The Churches have fallen away to money and materialistic things....Jesus is in Prison spiritually speaking....to the Tares ...Satans seed...Thats y we must endure to the end.....Its a time of the great falling away....Its the Tares that are trying to restrain the Kingdom from coming.... Rev 12 :5.....Remember the dragon is trying to kill the woman and her Child....And the dragon is satans seed...The Tares...The marriage supper of the lamb is when our old adamic nature is consumed by his lake of fire....As our God is a consuming fire...Which is when we are baptised with his H.G. and fire thats y Jesus said he was gona bring FIRE on all the world....I come to bring fire on the EARTH....TY Jesus thats what we need....His H.G and fire baptism...

Adam:

What do you believe the KINGDOM of God is, and how do you have a part in that that kingdom, and what is your part in that kingdom?

This chapter is a great example of how our gifting through the love of God should be to fellow Christians that there be no lack and that equality exist among all Christians. God help us!

Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

Thankyou for this and all your other excellent posts . I have been reading them for a long time now . My belief is that the Sabbath is yet to come , that the one thousand year reign of Christ on earth is the true Sabbath .

Amen to you for that !

This is true , the English grammar rules of the day were applied to the KJV .

Yes ! I have always believed that we ( humans ) are the anti-Christ , from the moment we disobeyed Him and bit into that apple we have been at variance to Him as we all are this day . What is the fruit of humanity ? What have we as a species done / created ? Technology that's what . We have not changed ourselves , we are no better than we ever been , treating each other so disgustingly bad ,however we have altered our , no God's ! planet , with our fruits . Science denies the existence of God as it seeks to glorify itself and it's proponents . The word science is mentioned twice I think in the New testament , and it's not a favourable judgement . Ask most commited atheists why they don't believe in a God and they will mutter something about evolution or scientific discoveries and explanations . The curtain will eventually be pulled aside and the wizard of Oz will be exposed , may Christ return ever so soon , when it is God's will .

God's peace everyone, you are precious and the Lord Jesus loves you, for He sent us the Holy Spirit. This is how we can always be with the Lord and carry the kingdom of God in us. Remember what you who do not understand. We walk with the Lord every day, some get milk and some get solid food. One day we will understand because today we will get piecemeal and shared. Because if we were to get all the knowledge in an instant, it would be too much for us. And we would have gotten lost in God's Word that is. We know that we have a soul a spirit and a body. This is a teaching in itself. And there's already in here on the web. Distinguish this we cannot do.

Just the day when we're going to die, Jesus said Luke 23:43 Then we let go of our body, then the spirit has no obstacle anymore. This is where we detach ourselves from the body. So in Paradise there are no bodies. As we live and have the body, we are also bound with it in soul and spirit.

Hope this can help someone. Know that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, with His consultation, have complete control over matters large and small. Pray for visdom and understanding.

Love u all in Christ. John 3 Chapter Stay strong in the word everyday.

Thank you brother S. Spencer - I fully agree with your thoughts of the all encompassing Work of the Holy Spirit, not only in the believer, but also in His restraint of evil in the World, preventing its full manifestation. So we see His restraining Work, not only in the revelation of the anti-Christ, but for mankind, in the most part, to still hold onto proper behavior, mainly by the workings of his conscience & the laws set by governments. Once the Holy Spirit relinquishes His influence upon the World through His Presence in Christ's Church, evil would know no bounds, and consciences "seared with a hot iron" giving way to all manner of wickedness. And their chief architect, Satan himself in anti-Christ, will rightly receive the world's worship, for this is their god that draws their hearts, syncs with their evil consciences, & fulfils all their pleasure & lusts.

But how the Holy Spirit will still be in the world, with the absence of the Church, I'm unable to settle on & reconcile in my mind. I would have to leave that thought awaiting the Spirit's further help & direction. Will connect with you & others again after three weeks when I hope to return from vacation. Blessings.

Adam:

The word says we were crucified with Christ and we were resurrected with Christ.

Yes, I believe I died on that cross 2000 years ago, before I was even born, I was raised a new creation 2000 years ago, that why works has nothing to do with salvation.

It's a GIFT, BY THE GRACE OF GOD.

God Bless YOU!

Adam:

There is ONLY of God, and FATHER of all other gods, his children.

Is not Christ a SON, a child of God the father.

If we died with Christ and were resurrected with Christ, then we are also SONS OF GOD, just like Christ, since Christ is a god, by inheritance we are a god.

Ephesians 4:6 .... ONE GOD ....and Father of ALL ... above ALL .... through ALL ....and IN YOU ALL .....

If God is IN ALL, then all are gods

Why is this so hard to believe, these are God's WORDS.

God Bless YOU!

Praise be to God for his word. Amen

Jimbob:

Are you saying you better than Judas, and you are not a son of perdition.

If the son of perdition is describing a single antichrist; then the antichrist was Judas, and the antichrist has already come; IF 2 Thessalonians 2:3 ....the son of predition is also describing antichrist; then there would be 2 antichrist.

The son of perdition is describing all the antichrist, NOT JUST ONE.

2 John 1:7 ....ye have heard that antichrist shall come, EVEN NOW there are many ANTICHRIST ----sons of perdition ---

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceiver you by any means: for THAT DAY --- 2 Thessalonians 2:8 ---the day the lord consumes you ---destroys YOU --- the son of perdition --- with the brightness of HIS COMING ---his PRESENCE IN YOU ---and there first must come a FALLING AWAY ---what have you got to fall away from ----- your deception ---- an repent of what you believe --- the son of perdition is not someone else IT'S YOU ---- it's any person reading God's word --- the word's of God are for whoever is reading those words --- it's about revealing the KINGDOM to the person reading.

If you judge yourself by GOD'S WORD, you want be judged with the world.

Antichrist is any and everything that isn't Christ --- the word of God --- all the beliefs contrary to God's word.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who CONFESS NOT Jesus is COME in the FLESH, this is a deceiver and an a antichrist.

Have you confessed that Christ is come, by HIS resurrection, and now lives IN YOU --- YOUR flesh ---- or are you still deceived and an antichrist needing to have your carnal mind destroyed.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU (your flesh) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Are YOU:

2 Thessalonians 2:4 ... so that he (the son of perdition) sitteth in the temple of God ---- YOUR the temple of God ----so whose on the throne ---Christ, or the son of perdition ----If it's YOU then get back on the cross.

God Bless YOU!

Thanks for sharing the scripture.

Do you believe this is a metaphor or do you actually believe you were physically crucified with Christ around 2,000 years ago.

John 15:5 says Jesus is the vine and "ye are the branches." Do you believe you are actually just a branch? And do you believe Jesus is literally a vine and nothing else?

If those are the metaphors they obviously are, why do you assume ye are gods is not a metaphor in Psalms 82:6? Isn't that cherry picking something to suit your chosen narrative? In the same sentence it also says ye are children, so if this was honestly applied you would then be a literal child? Otherwise its just cherry picking the gods metaphor which could be considered intellectually dishonest. Are Gods children? Do you really believe there's more than one God, despite what so many other scriptures say?

Even the same author of Psalms only 4 chapters later says there's only one God in Psalm 86:10 "thou art God alone". Do you believe this verse just as much the other one you like? How about all the other verses that clearly say there's only one God like 1 Corinthians 8:6, 2 Samuel 7:22, Deuteronomy 4:39, 1 Chronicles 17:20. Why would someone ignore all these but only focus on believing a metaphor in half of one verse is not one instead?

Shouldn't we be using discernment and reading the Bible with an open heart to what God is teaching us rather than the other way around? Just like kings and rulers are called lords (lowercase to show context), gods does not mean God. Anyone who cherry picks and claims they are a god is really deceived and this comes from satan. Satan loves deceiving people in this way and it has his signature all over it. God bless.

Adam:

In the Hebrew scriptures, there is NO UPPER case letters, all the places god occurs; it occurs as god, lower case, even referring to god the father, I am not being sneaky, the translators added the capital letters, they are the sneaky ones.

God Bless YOU!

Adam:

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ .....

We were all crucified with Christ.

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together (with Christ) .....

We were all raised up with Christ.

Isaiah 28:19 ....together with my dead body shall they arise ...

God bless YOU!

My favorite bible verse is proverbs 14 verse 34 is that yours

Hi Ruby, if that is your real name. Are you also commenting as Nacol1900?

No, I definitely didn't die on the cross with Jesus physically, did you?

"The word says you and I died on the cross with Christ"

Please share the scripture you have in mind. There are metaphors in the Bible, but not everything in the Bible is a metaphor.

Hi GiGi, those are astute observations and very possible. Whatever the case, I genuinely look forward to someday meeting everyone we've interacted with on this forum in heaven, including you. It's mind blowing to even think about what that might be like.

That's cute how you misquoted the verse "gods" to uppercase "Gods." I suspect you know the difference between the two meanings. How sneaky of you.