Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 319

GiGi:

I seldom ever say anything without quoting scripture.

I am more than happy to have you show where that scripture is not true, but use scripture not what man says.

You don't believe Psalms 82:6 ye are Gods ..

You believe Christ is God; ONE with the Father, and the Father is God, one with Christ.

John 17:21 That they all may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they may be ONE even as we are ONE IN US ....

Colossians 1:27 ....Christ in you ....

Why if the father and son are ONE and they are God, would not you believe we are God if we are the same ONE IN THEM.

Why don't you believe these scriptures, because they don't fit the teaching of MAN, that's why.

Whose right: MAN or God's WORD?

Rebut with scripture.

God Bless YOU!

Ruby Lea Read In 2.Thes.2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. (This verse tells us there is A MAN OF SIN, also called the ((son of perdition)) that will be revealed before the return of Christ. (son of perdition) is in the Bible 2 times. The 1st time is Jn.17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the ((son of perdition)); that the scripture might be fulfilled. (This son of perdition was a man, and his name was Judas Iscariot) Judas was possessed by Satan, we are told that in (Lu.22:3 and in Jn.13:27) The only other time ((son of perdition)) is mentioned is 2.Thes.2:3 which happens just before the return of Jesus Christ. So this son of perdition IS A MAN, a man of sin. And we are told in Eccle.1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. (If the 1st son of perdition was a man, who was possessed by Satan then Eccle.1:9 tells us the 2nd son of perdition who is a man will also be possessed by Satan). 1.Jn.2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard ((that antichrist)) shall come, (this antichrist is singular, its speaking of 1, not many as the rest of the verse does say) even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. The son of perdition IS that antichrist! Blessings Ruby.

Amen Brother Jesse!

And thanks for sharing that.

I didn't know the timing of the rain.

Thank you.

God bless and Goodnight.

Amen Earl.

God bless you.

Thanks and God bless Jimbob.

Amen Brother Chris.



FOR THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY DOTH ALREADY WORK:

I believe 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 can be useful in giving us insight on understanding other scriptures and that insight might in return give us more understanding of 2 Thessalonians 2

Such as Revelation 16:8-11 and Revelation 17:12-14. This evil mindset can only be accomplished if the Holyspirit role has changed in a way that it's not functioning today.

Even non believers wouldn't behave in this manner while the restrainer is present.

Here in Revelation 16 and 17 you see the true condition of man's heart apart from the restraint of the Holyspirit.

Even non believers will repent but turn back.

John 1:9 must won't apply during this time.

This is what happens when darkness is manifested in man.

In 2 Thessalonians 2 on one hand we see the eschatology view and on the other hand we see the condition of man's heart without God's spirit.

I believe the Holyspirit spirit will be in the world as he was in the OT bringing people to Christ.

God bless you Brother.

S Spencer To say Rev.2:10 is speaking of 10 persecutions that happened around the 3rd century is one I have never heard before. As for discussing Soteriology, Thank you for the invitation Spencer, But I do think I'll pass that one up. Blessings.

Jimbob:

The whole of God's word is about ONE thing, THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

You could eliminate the whole New Testament and still come to the truth about THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Paul and the other apostles can to the truth about the KINGDOM.

They had no New TESTAMENT, they came to TRUTH about the kingdom; from Moses and the PROPHETS, under the anointing of the Holy Spirit, then they penned letters and gospels, under the anointing of the Holy Spirit, that make up the New Testament.

All their writing are just second WITNESS of Moses and the Prophets, including Revelation.

Luke 16:31 ...if they hear not Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one was raised from the dead.

Acts 28:23 ....to whom he expounded and testified THE KINGDOM OF GOD, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and the Prophets, from morning till evening.

The beast of Revelation is in the Prophets, search the scriptures, don't listen to the traditions of MAN.

1 John 2:27 The anointing which you have received of him abideth IN YOU, and you need not that any man teach you; but as the anointing teacheth you ALL THINGS, and is truth, and no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

God Bless YOU!

oops Adam, it is Nacol not Norcal.

Hi Chris, I appreciate you sharing your views here. I have one question for you. Can you cite Scripture that says there are these dispensations and/or that names them as you have? If not, where did you learn of this?

Many people sit under pastors and teachers who espouse dispensational interpretations and tach dispensational beliefs without saying that is what they are doing.

Hi Gigi.

As you said before, Salvation topics is a much more important topic.

If everything was said plainly it wouldn't be no reason to interpret.

God spoke to us in diverse ways as well.

God bless Gigi

I will David, anything specific we can pray for you and Kristie

Adam, Norcal is lex N. as the wording used are the same as when he went under Alex N. When I asked Norcal if he was Alex and why he changed his screen name, cricket.

Ruby Lea has been on here for a month or so. Someone thinks this might be Earl Bowman, but maybe not.

One Eighty has been on here for a few months.

So, I don't think any of these are trolls. But I do think that their beliefs are out of sync with sound hermeneutics of Biblical interpretation. There is overspiritualization of almost every Scripture by Alex and Ruby. Also, Alex posts the same "sermon" in almost every post about God multiplying Himself in us and a new Holy Ghost child is conceived and born in us (which is gross error)

One eighty's beliefs reflect classic dualism, monism, and new age beliefs mixed in with some Christian ideas. But he seems sincere and willing to engage in good dialogue.

But there may be others who are trolls. Please feel free to identify them when you sense that one is posting. It is a good thing to know. WE can be prayerful about how to respond to them. Who knows, maybe some will truly be converted.

Hello Jesse. Do you think that since those verses just before are saying one shall be taken and the other left, could the (body) be something else? like maybe the (body) of Christ which IS THE CHURCH? Eph.1:22-23 (22) And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, (23) Which is his body, the fulness of him that fitteth all in all. (The church is the body of Christ, so since its saying one shall be taken, and the word (taken) means (to receive near, take (unto, with) Do you think that the body spoken of could be the church, the body of Christ which was just taken into the air to meet the Lord in the clouds? (It says eagles not vultures) The word (eagles) is #105; it means an eagle from its wind like flight, (to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire by analogy to blow) "air" (as naturally circumambient) air. The ones taken, (received unto himself) is the church! That sounds pretty logical if you look at it in that way, right? As for where they are taken? They are taken to the marriage supper of the Lamb, (the church is the bride of Christ, is it not?) while the wrath of God is being poured out on those disobedient ones left on the earth. After the marriage supper when Jesus comes back riding a white horse with the church, that's when the battle of Armageddon happens. He comes to judge and make war which will end the wrath of God on the earth and start the 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth.

Thank you Jimbob, I am not discouraged. Everyone will be accounting for their deeds, thoughts, and beliefs before God. We are to regularly check our doctrine to be sure that we are of the faith in aligned with truth. I try to do this continually. I have learned a lot from others on this site. Whether new knowledge from Scripture that changes my view or from reading something that makes my radars go off as being not quite right. In the first case, I decide to believe what I have been persuaded of by Scripture and to research ideas that don't seem correct. I think it is wise to do so. If we are not to check out a doctrine further, then it should not be good to listen to anyone on here either when they give an interpretation of Scripture. Those on here are not any more worthy of our listen to, than those one may find in researching on sites on the net. Those who criticize me for doing so can go ahead and criticize me, but I know there are plenty of good solid scholars, teachers and commentators online just as there are who have written volumes of books. Why should we not access these? I do not see a good reason not to. But if someone doesn't wish to do so, that is their prerogative. But it is out of line for one to chastise one for doing so.

I don't post things lightly on this forum. I take it quite seriously as we are to be helpful to others and caring and also willing to warn or rebut someone. All of these are helpful things, as I have often thanked others for bringing something to my attention whether in agreement or rebuttal.

But with all this said, I will hold my ground on what I have discovered to be plainly taught in Scriptures and be wary of beliefs that can only be made from inferring or transposing one's position upon Scripture that is not explicit.

Have a good evening. Just about to eat dinner. So, I will talk later, if I can.

Jimbob:

Show me the scripture that says there is a single antichrist.

All of Revelation has been explained in Moses and the Prophets,

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do NOTHING, but he REVEALETH to his servants the PROPHETS.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice (replaced by Christ being the LAMB) BE TAKEN AWAY, and the abomination that maketh desolate SET UP, shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days.

42 months, 3 1/2 years, this is the same 42 months in Revelation, Christ ministry on earth.

God Bless You!

Brother S Spencer:

You are correct, we are save by grace, PERIOD.

Knowledge of the scriptures just makes us good messengers of the gospel.

God Bless YOU!

Thanks for replying Jimbob.

John was told to Write the things which thou hast seen, (The pre-incarnate Christ.)

and the things which are, (Church things. Then and now)

and the things which shall be hereafter; (The rest of the book)

By the time we get to Revelation 4:1 There's no more mention of the Church. So the overcoming has been done before the Tribulation.

And the overcoming is done by the Holyspirit. There is nothing you and I can do to present ourselves righteous before God. It's him that keeps us.

Concerning Revelation 2:10

It has already past. 10 days refers to 10 periods under 10 Roman Imperors.

The "ten days" in Revelation 2:10 refers to ten persecutions that began with Nero and ended with Diocletian at the end of the third century.

The early Church was persecuted and under tribulation. NOT THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

Jimbob I see you Brother Chris and others have covered much of this topic. I'm not sure what you guys covered,

I haven't had the chance to read much of it.

I believe we will have to agree to disagree on this topic.

However I would love to discuss soteriology with you.

I don't believe the eschatology views have anything to do with whether one is saved or not.

May I ask How do you feel about that?

Are we saved by grace?

Works "of the Law"?

Both? ect..

Hello Mary. The answer to your question quite probably lies in the grammar of the Hebrew language, that is used in the Old Testament. Unlike in English where we don't have a clear distinction in the word 'they/them/those' (i.e. they can refer to any gender, unless the subject is clear), in Hebrew, even the words 'they/them/those' are allocated a specific gender without the need to specify whether male or female.

Now in Psalm 68:11, the KJV rendering is correct (i.e. "...great was the company of those that published it"), but when examining the word, 'those', in Hebrew apparently, 'those' is given a feminine gender, which then necessitates the meaning, 'that the large group of people publishing the good news (i.e. rejoicing & dancing maybe because of victories won or from the giving of the Law)', were women. And often, we read in the Bible of women who are conspicuous in their presence in such celebrations (e.g. Exodus 15:20; Judges 21:21,23; 1 Samuel 18:6; Jeremiah 31:13: 'virgin', relates to young women; & maybe other references).

So, those translators that showed that these were women who came out to "publish the Word", & in all probability, in song, fanfare, & dance, were likely more accurate in their reading of the Hebrew, whereas the KJV only shows it as 'a great company', which of course may have included males as they took part in celebrations (with music, etc.).

Brother Spencer,

Thank you for sharing this piece of scripture from Matthew Chapter 24. This section ( Matthew 24:37-41) gives us the preconditions to the coming of Christ.

You may already know this, but after God shut the door on the ark, how long was it until it started raining? One week. That is prophecy!

After the door was shut, they still didn't know it. That is why it says they didn't know it until the flood came. The flood came and took them all away. It was life as usual until it came, and it was sudden, and it was quick, and it was unexpected. Matthew 24:39 tells us that it will be the same prior to Christ's second coming.

In Matthew 24:40-41, with the one taken and the other left, there are different views about two in the field, one is taken, one is left. Where does the one go that is taken? We know where the one that is left is, but what about the one that is taken?

Some say it's taken into judgment (which is what I think you and I both believe) and some say it's for salvation, a person is taken saved. I have heard others say it's one of these gatherings, the Lord gathering His people from the four corners of the earth.

But in Luke's account ( Luke 17:37), it tells us that they are taken into judgment. They are drawn into the Valley of Megiddo for the battle of Armageddon.



I say this because as I go through Revelation, I see that God is the one that draws the people and the armies into the valley of Megiddo to fight against Him when He comes.

In Luke 17:37, when the disciples asked Jesus where the one taken would be, because they said "Where, Lord?"

Jesus says "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the vultures be gathered together. He is talking about that day when people are going to gather together in the Valley outside of Jerusalem to fight against Christ at His coming. Remember the birds are going to be called in to feed on their carcasses. These people (the one taken) have been drawn out into the battle.

God bless!

S Spencer Thank you for your response. Its totally up to you Spencer if you want to believe what you are saying. I can't, nor can anybody else change that. But if you don't see that post which is straight from the KJB, and the meaning of the words from the Original languages are proof the ones that are (taken) are those that Jesus says "I will come again, and ((receive you)) unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also". And the word (taken) means ((to receive near)), take (unto, with). When Jesus comes in the clouds, it is the same time period as when Jesus says (I will come again). If the church is not taken then, when will it be (taken)? If you don't see that as being TRUTH, then you are not going to believe anything that anybody posts that doesn't agree with what you already believe. I'm certainly not saying this to offend you, but it couldn't get any more clear Spencer. Nobody is right on everything we believe, but we have to be completely openminded to the truth, or we do not receive the Truth, because we think we already know it. Blessings.

Ruby Lea Read, Im sorry Ruby but I can't agree with pretty much anything you have stated in your comment.. You can read Rev.Ch.13 and see clearly there's a beast, which is also called the antichrist who is given power to continue 42 months. You are adding your interpretation to the scriptures instead of letting the scriptures speak or themselves. You would just about eliminate the whole book of Revelation if what you are saying were true. Thank you anyway Ruby.

Adam:

The word says you and I died on the cross with Christ, Did you PHYSICALLY see your death happen?

I Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are ALIVE ----You were MADE ALIVE by Christ resurrection ---- an REMAIN (to never see death) shall be caught up (raptured) together with them (that were caught up before you) in the clouds (the cloud is a symbol of God's presence) to meet the Lord in the air (his omnipresence), so shall be every be with the Lord ( in his omnipresence).

Luke 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together ---they could have been working together for years; and each died, maybe at different times, scripture does't say, ONE was translated in the presence of God because she believed God's words ---- and the other LEFT ---she died not believing God's word and went to the grave to await the second resurrection.

The only thing you PHYSICALLY SAW was they were both buried, you didn't see which was take and the other left.

How many funerals have you been to, were they taken or left? only God knows.

The chosen are RAPTURED at the time they depart there bodies of DUST.

Isaiah 27:12 ....and I will gather you ONE by ONE, O ye children of (the promised) Israel.

God BLESS YOU!

Hi Jimbob.

I disagree I used Matthew 24:37-39 as my primary verse because Jesus referred it. Those taken away in the flood was taken away for Judgment.

Here's the strongs in that verse.

: A primary verb; to lift; by implication to take up or away; figuratively to raise (the voice) keep in suspense (the mind); specifically to sail away (that is weigh anchor); by Hebraism (compare [H5375]) to expiate sin: - away with bear (up) carry lift up loose make to doubt put away remove take (away up.

Here's how it reads.

It's easy to see who is taken.

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood THEY WERE EATING AND DRINKING, MARRYING AND GIVING IN MARRIAGE, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

( They were carrying on like God didn't exist. When God closed the door it was to late for them)

AND KNEW NOT UNTIL THE FLOOD CAME, AND TOOK THEM .."ALL".. AWAY; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Who's the ALL taken away by the flood?

Noah and his family was in the ark

and remained on the earth.

Vs) 40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

( The one left will enter into the Kingdom. )

GB

We'll explained thankyou .

Very clear explanation thankyou .

Some of these comments might be just trolling aimed to provoke a reaction out of people. I hope that is not the intent here.

The rapture is clearly physical because the Bible describes it physically.

"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV

"Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left." Luke 17:35 KJV

These are specific physical examples.

Likewise, Jesus dying on the cross physically happened. If anyone claims that didn't actually happen but was only a spiritual or metaphor then that would be a lie and anyone spreading lies will have to face and explain that before God on judgment day.

One eighty:

Is Christ not a BODY of Flesh and Bone; and the SPIRIT of his Father the LIFE of HIS BODY, the results of HIS resurrection BY the Spirit of HIS Father?

He was resurrected BACK to what he was from the BEGINNING, he LAID DOWN that GLORY he had with the Father, to become sinful flesh and destroy the WORKS of the Devil.

Christ ascended into the CLOUDS as a MAN, but, he was back to being GLORIFIED, so he was ONCE: OMNIPRESENT.

He can reside IN MAN as TRUTH and LIFE; or he can appear in THE FLESH in a LOCKED ROOM.

He can appear as FIRE in a BUSH.

He can appear as a CLOUD over and in the Tent of the tabernacle.

He can appear as column of fire on one side and total darkness on the opposite side.

We have to be BORN of Spirit, and that which is BORN of Spirit is Spirit, because ONLY Spirit is LIFE; BUT God has seen fit to CREATE a BODY for that Spirit to LIVE IN, and he called that BODY his Son Jesus Christ.

By the WORK'S of Christ resurrection we are a NEW CREATION, we have become THE BODY of Christ, he is the LIFE IN US, we are his BODY as HE is the BODY of the FATHER.

When he has subdued ALL CREATION under HIMSELF, he will turn the kingdom back to the Father who gave it to him, and ALL will be a BODY with the LIFE of the FATHER: Just like Christ.

God will be ALL in ALL.

Ephesians 4:4 .... ONE BODY (Christ) ..... ONE SPIRIT (God: LIFE and TRUTH) .......

Ephesians 4:6 ...... ONE GOD ..... FATHER of ALL .... above ALL ....through ALL ....in you ALL ....

God bless you!

Blessings Nacol1900,

I consider what you are saying is on the the right track, not that I'm the authority on truth, or that you need my or anyone's approval. Yet, I would consider going deeper into what you are touching on regarding, "When God and His Kingdom is spiritual."

With the focus on "spiritual", or spirit, in John 4:24 we have the statement, "God is Spirit". Therefore, He is not flesh. John 3:6 says, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Therefore, He did not create flesh. John 6:63 states, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing. Therefore, it is the spirit which is life, rendering the flesh as NOTHING.

God creates in His Own Likeness. Is it not reasonable that if God is Spirit, and perfect and eternal, which I'm certain all Christians agree, how can we arrive at the unreasonable conclusion that He creates flesh or that anything He creates is something other than perfect and eternal? It is reasonable also to conclude that if something is created perfect, and then becomes imperfect, for whatever REASON, including sin, then it could not have been created perfect in its original creation.

The word "reason" is often used in the Bible; commonly as a noun. In Isaiah 1:18 it is used as verb. Is it is not then reasonable to conclude that God created our mind to use REASON to understand what is obvious? The "devil is afraid of the obvious that arrives through reasonable thinking, since obviousness is the essential characteristic of reality, or truth. The rest i.e. anything pertaining to the flesh, profiteth nothing, does not matter, counts for nothing.

Perhaps all of our conceived and perceived problems arise from what should be considered the "root of all evil", is the authority problem. Is our Author the Creator of Spirit which creates eternal spirit and life? Or is our author flesh that made flesh which is not eternal? Can't be both.

God Is

Peace

Mervis Newby"

There is not a person; other than Christ, that has not blasphemed God's name.

It's all about coming to "TRUTH" so we don't blaspheme his name.

It's all about what Christ did for us at HIS resurrection and coming to that "TRUTH".

You DIED with Christ, you were resurrected with Christ.

You and Christ become ONE by that resurrection, you were married to Christ, by that resurrection, you became the wife of Christ, by that resurrection, by marriage you NOW BEAR the NAME OF CHRIST.

You were baptised by the Holy Spirit IN THE NAME OF JESUS.

John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou gavest ME, I have GIVEN to THEM (my wife), that THEY may be ONE even as WE are ONE.

Colossians 1:27 ...this MYSTERY ....of the HIS resurrection ...... CHRIST IN YOU ......

BELIEVE what God did for YOU, and you will never blaspheme GOD'S NAME.

God BLESS YOU!