Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 336

Doctor Jesus,,,He is the cure.

Sikheto:

I suppose your referring to:

Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates, and the water thereof was dried up, that THE WAY of the of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Revelation is very, very symbolic, so we have to try to understand what the symbols represent, in their relation to the kingdom of God, YOU becoming the image of Christ, ONE with the WORD.

Angels are messengers send by the spirit of God, so this angel is pouring out God's message on the Euphrates.

The Euphrates (symbolic) is a river, a river is water, and another scripture in Revelation says:

Revelation 17:15 ....the waters which thou sawest, where the whore sits, are peoples and multitudes, and nations and tongues ......ALL mankind, unfaithful to there creator ..... from lack of KNOWLEDGE ......

All God's words are for each person in this sea of humanity, so when God's message (the spirit of truth and life) is poured out on YOU, YOU began to come to TRUTH and become a faithful wife, TRUTH in you, instead a wife of another, LIES and DECEPTION in you.

THE WAY (Christ is truth, life, and the way) of the KINGS (Christ is King of Kings) is prepared ....and when Christ has FINISHED HIS WORK IN YOU, there will be:

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth (a faithful wife; baptised in truth and life) ...and there was no more sea ....peoples, nations, tongues: WHORES; Christ WORDS have OVERCOME lies and deception.

God Bless YOU!

I am practicing the reading of the proverb and the date of the day. Today is proverb # 20. Today is 2-20-23.

P.2 Rev.11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. (So the 2 witnesses are killed by the beast, then taken to heaven in the clouds) then 2 verses later v.15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdom of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. (16) And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, (17) Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hath reigned. (18) And the nation were angry, AND THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. (The timeline in these verses show the two witnesses being killed by ((the beast)) (who would be revealed at this time, especially if we are caught up with them)), then they ascended up to heaven in a cloud,(they are taken out of the way) Then the seventh angel sounds and "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, Then the nations are angry because thy WRATH IS COME, also the dead are judged, rewards are given to His prophets and the saints, (we are not appointed to wrath) and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. (The seventh angel is the last trump, Could the two witnesses going into heaven in the clouds be the same time period we meet our Lord in the clouds? At the 7th trumpet?) The he who now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way could be the two witnesses who are killed by the beast, that Wicked who would be revealed at that time, but we would be gone. What do you think Chris?

Chris Thank you for your reply. Our discussions have brought a few things to light for me, as I've been studying this subject. I'm not sure about this I need to study it more, see what you think of it Chris? 2.Thess.2:1-8, I had to add verse #8 because that verse says "And THEN shall that ((Wicked be revealed)), whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming" That Wicked who is revealed is the antichrist, who is also called the (beast), and the son of perdition. The word (Wicked) is #459; it means lawless, not subject to the (Jewish law); by implying a Gentile. (The beast is a Gentile) Now who does the Lord destroy with the brightness of His coming? Rev,19:11-16 is the Lords return to the earth riding a white horse, v.19-20 Tell us (19) And I saw ((the beast)), and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. (20) And ((the beast)) was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. So that Wicked who is revealed after (2.Thes.2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.) is the beast! Now where do we see the beast in the book of Revelation that will connect us to these Lastdays prophecies? The two witnesses are killed by the beast in Rev.11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, ((the beast)) that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them; and shall overcome them, and kill them. (Could this be when that Wicked is revealed?) Rev.11:11-12 (11) And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. cont. p.2

This came to me one day after morning prayer.

"Apply not The Word of God like the salve of salvation, but the Armor of Righteousness.

For salve's treat wound's and Armor prevents them."

I've seen too many "believers" treat their belief like a religious first aid kit, applying it only as needed for their life's issues. If they only knew how to dawn their armor.

Mr. Priday,

Regarding Psalm 84, I think there is no question that this is talking about Salvation itself. We must remember that Christ spoke in parables and without a parable spoke He not. And since Christ is the very Word of God we can expect these parables to exist in every part of the Bible teaching some aspect of the Gospel. That is certainly the case in Psalm 84. Every verse is dripping with with a salvation message and the blessedness of being in the eternal kingdom of God made up of all True Believers and Christ Himself.

I have also discovered by the help of our Teacher (God The Spirit) that God dealt with the Old Testament people with Love (He created humans to have a better relationship with them. A relationship better than he had with any of His angels, especially Lucifer), Anger (due to His disappointment at the garden of Eden and downward spiralling of sin degradation in human race), Grace (using them for His Agenda despite the fact that they not deserving in of it) and mercy (because of course "He will have mercy on those He would" - He is The God Of Creation, This has the prerogative to do what pleases Him. Also because His plan for the creation of humans in relative to the pre-created earth and satan and the fact that Jesus already died for the humans before they were created has to be fulfilled). Please What Is Your Take On This? I Stand Corrected...

How did the other people know how to sacrifice to the Lord? Does it mean they also knew the Lord of Jonah (our Lord)? Earlier in the chapter it indicated "everyone called on his god" not "The Lord" does it mean the use of the word "god" was for story telling purpose and not to be specific as to which, god or for Our Lord?

Psalm 84. This Psalm once again is written for the sons of Korah and addressed TO the chief musician "upon Gittith". The theory apparently is that there was a certain musical style that was attributed to whoever this people were.

Remembering once again the rebellion in Numbers 16; there is a pretty clear indication in verse 10 of the event as it is stated that being a doorkeeper in God's house than to "dwell in the tents of wickedness." This should help us keep in mind situations such as that of Sodom and Gomorrah as well where Lot escaped "as through the flames" ( Gen. 11:27; 1 Cor. 3:15).

We are given future promises as well. Men will come to worship every year in Jerusalem ( Zech. 14:16) or else face punishment. (verses 5-8). We even see provision for birds who will apparently nest there (verse 3) Verse 6 shows how there will be ample water in the area at that time as well. The verse of the anointed in verse 9 surely refers to Christ; although David will once again rule as well as ourselves as "kings and priests" ( Hosea 3:5; Rev. 5:10).

Verse 12 shows a very important principle of trust and blessedness associated with it. If we desire a blessing we must live according to His righteousness and be obedient in service out of love ( John 14:15).

what will happen on Earth when the river Euphrates dries out?

Good day to all!

I am a brand new Christian. I grew up in a house of faith but spent a lot of my life distanced from the lord. As an adult I can now see the forest for the trees in life and I've realized the importance of having Jesus and our Lord in my life permanently.

Please forgive me if my question seems ignorant, I am honestly just searching for answers here.

What I would like to know, is why are there books that have been removed from the Bible? Why did someone else get to decide what parts of the holy book that I get to read? Wouldn't tampering with the lord word be blasphemy?

As far as I can tell, the 1611 KJ version is the Bible with the least amount of editing that I can purchase. Is there another version I haven't heard of?

Thank you in advance and God Bless!

Yah is merciful and truth I'm unworthy for his love.

ask Jesus who is the bridge to the Father so we can be Gods Sons and daughters too

Christians are the seed of abraham through faith.

Yes ! So many people have a massive problem admitting that they got something wrong in this world and in their spiritual life . Why this is I don't know , it must be pride . Does anyone really believe that they always get everything right first time ? Anyone who believes that is genuinely an idiot . If we can't accept correction wherever it comes from then we get stuck , entrenched in error that just gets harder and harder for us to get out of as time passed . You are right , the key is to be open to correction indeed , to welcome it , that's how we grow , grow closer to our God which surely is the desire of us all ? To obtain His acceptance not the praise of each other .

Hi Eric. The way I understand Genesis 6:3, is that the LORD is giving mankind 120 years of life till He wipes them out. So, "yet his days" don't refer to the 'new' lifespan of humans, but to the remaining days that man has on Earth. All would be wiped out, but Noah & his family "found grace in the eyes of the LORD". And within that time frame of 120 years, Noah was given the plans for building the Ark, collecting the wood & beams, building it, collecting the animals & food to sustain them all, until God shut the door & brought the rain.

It didn't take Noah that long to build the Ark (some have calculated the figure should be around 70 years), but from God's announcement of 120 years left for mankind's life on Earth, there would have been a long period (long, for us today) between the announcement & the start of the building work & the coming of the rain.

Thanks Jimbob. I do accept what you've quoted in Matthew 24:29 & Revelation 6:12-17 refers to the time of God's Wrath poured out. But if those Scriptures & others previously referred to for this particular time in history are the only ones used, then we should have no problem is believing what you say, "that the tribulation and God's Wrath are not the same".

Yet, we haven't discussed 2 Thessalonians 2:1-7, which I had given in my last post (I only shared my own understanding). And this of course ties in with the Rapture; this too is important to consider when looking at the timing & character of the Great Tribulation/God's Wrath. So, maybe I'll keep this short & get your thoughts on that Scripture, if you so wish (no compulsion at all): What was deeply engaging those believers' minds that prompted Paul to pen these words of assurance? Who or what is the one who "letteth will let" ('katecho', restrains, holds back)? When this being or entity is "taken out of the way", what are the implications of that removal upon the Church & the World?

These are the questions I have to ask myself when looking at such verses, particularly in the light of eschatology, where we are compelled to form an opinion or a belief with often very little information given (at least information so succinct for us, that the early Church receiving such, would have grabbed the opportunity to request the author to expand his teaching). Obviously we can't do that & I sense that the early Church did know far more than is revealed to us now, but God has permitted that we receive what is given & hold onto it. Hence, our variations in understanding to what should otherwise be a straightforward doctrine.

Yes JRR, the word 'flesh' can be taken to apply to only mankind; but the Bible does speak of 'other' flesh. As the Apostle Paul referred to this in 1 Corinthians 15:38,39: "But God giveth it (i.e. the seed by God that contains the necessary constituents to form a particular organism), (gives it) a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds." So, I believe that Genesis 6:18-20, speaks of the various categories of 'flesh' & not to the many tribes & families that exist as human beings.

And back to the Kenite origins. I have seen opinions that indicate that the Kenites descended from Cain, hence not all flesh were destroyed by the flood. And yet, we get an example in Judges 1:16 indicating that Jethro, Moses' father-in-law, was a Kenite. And then in Numbers 10:29, Jethro is referred to as Raguel (also called 'Reuel' in Exodus 2:18), as a Midianite. What would you make of this? We know that it is the same man, Jethro, that is referred to, but can we assume a connection between the two families (Kenites & Midianites)? If there is and we go back to the immediate descendants of Noah's sons, we can follow the descendency from Shem through to Terah to Abram to Midian (through Keturah): Genesis 10:21-31; Genesis 11:10-32; Genesis 25:1-4 (here, we see Midian born to Abraham through Keturah, of whom (Midian), Jethro is connected to. If Jethro is also recorded as being a Kenite, there must be another family line coming through Midian (maybe through a daughter, not mentioned (only sons) in Genesis 25:4).

So, it appears that we must be open to the possibility that the Kenites were not from Cain (as much as a similarity exists in those names), but could have come through the descendants of Shem & the Abraham.

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Ruby Lea Read,

It is a blessing to be humbled by God. What you said reminds me of what James tells us in James 4:6.

God gives more (or greater) grace. Wherefore he says, and this is Proverbs 3:34, God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.



Proverbs 3:34 is found three times in the New Testament. It's a very important and popular verse. God resists the proud. Who are the proud?



There are two things about the word for proud. Number one, a person filled with pride is self-centered.



Now by that, the word means that you are centered on yourself whether you think you are somebody great, or you think you're somebody like a failure.



It's the high or the low, high self-esteem, or low self-esteem, you're still focused on yourself. It's still pride.

The other thing about the word for pride is self-reliance. This is the person that uses their human resources to live their life and satisfy their problems. And for them, maybe when they run out of human resources, they might call on God.



God resists the proud, the person who is relying on their human resources, who is self-centered and self-motivated. God will resist that person. But He gives grace to the humble. And the word humble is the person who has been made low, just like we see in James Chapter 1.



Why does God resist the proud? God is bringing that person to a position where they need God's grace. God only gives His grace to the lowly.



If a person is self-centered and self-reliant, God has to oppose them so that they turn around and become dependent upon the Lord. But He only gives His grace to the humble!

So, as it says in James 4:5, God has given me a spirit that dwells in me that lusts to envy. The word spirit is no doubt the human spirit that God has given us. The human spirit in us lusts to envy.

But God has greater grace because He'll resist me. And He'll give me His grace when I'm humbled!

May the Lord continue to bless you also!

Amen Ronald,

We do learn from each other and we should be open. I definitely agree with that. You have been on here for several years now and you always have a lot of knowledge to share and I for one do appreciate you. We may not always be in complete agreement on everything, and we shouldn't expect to be. I have no expectations of people agreeing to everything I share. That is all any of us can do, is share what we have studied on our own, what we believe to be true, and share those things here with others.

We all believe (or at least we should) that Gods word alone is truth. That's how I see it. It's not what I say, and not what I believe to be true. I can tell someone "This is what the Bible says," and yes, it does say that. But I always have to keep in mind that my understanding of what I believe it says can be faulty. Nevertheless, Gods word alone is true.

But yes, we need to keep on studying, and coming here and sharing what we have learned can be a fruitful experience. I trust that the Lord will be there at all times to let us know if we are right or wrong.

I think sometimes God allows us to hash things out before showing us. And sometimes I have to wonder whether it's me in a back and forth discussion about a disagreement, or any two believers for that matter, if the Lord is up there with His arms crossed, laughing at us, and saying "You know something, you're both wrong."

I believe that is always a possibility. Blessings to you my brother. Keep sharing!

Maybe so. But not just the giants are talked about after the flood so are the Kenites who are the descendents of Cain.

To me, "flesh" means humans, people, man etc .Not creature, animals, insects etc. This is why it sounds to me like there was more then Noah and his son's . Maybe they were the only eight souls saved per sa. I also can not see only eight people taking care of that many animals 24/7. That is a lot of work for only eight people. The animals did eat, Noah ate as well, so someone had to clean messes 24/7 otherwise the ark would have caught fire from the gas build up and the flame for lights. I can't see just eight people taking care of themselves,the animals and able to rest. I believe in scripture, I have always thought it to be just Noah s family until recently something just clicked about the flesh and thinking about the size of ark and all the animals to be care for by just eight people. I've worked at a kennel before with about 120 dogs and a few cats with 4 of us working and we could hardly stay up so I can't imagine.

Chris Thank you again, I have really enjoyed our friendly discussions. You believe the great tribulation and the wrath of God are the same period, right? In Mt.24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall ((the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light)), and ((the stars shall fall from heaven)), and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. (The sun is darkened and the moon shall not give her light). When does this happen in the book of Revelation? At the sixth seal! Rev.6:12-17, (12) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and ((the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood)). (13) And ((the stars of heaven fell unto the earth)), even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. (14) And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (15) And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; (16) And said to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. (17) For the great day of his wrath is come: and who shall be able to stand. (The sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION in Mt.24:29, So the tribulation period has ended when these things happen.) Then Rev.6:16-17 tell us the great day of his wrath is come, this wrath is AFTER the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars fall from heaven. The tribulation and the wrath are not the same, these verses prove they are different time periods Chris, they are not the same. You are right, we are not appointed to wrath (we will be gone for the wrath), but we will be tested during great tribulation. Thank you again Chris.

David:

What is the definition of ALL.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam ALL DIE, so in Christ ALL shall be made ALIVE.

Doesn't everyone (ALL) at some point DIE, is not the ALL the same in that scripture; as ALL die in Adam, ALL shall be made alive in Christ.

This is the GOSPEL

Did this not happen at the death and resurrection of Christ.

God Bless YOU!

Hey Jesse,

Thanks, I appreciate that, I agree it is not a contest, we learn from each other. We should be open to other understandings and humble to study for the truth and be thankful if we are shown it. Like I told S Spencer I can see both views, but I have not been able to fit it into Revelation and the scriptures line up. That is why we were told to study.

God bless,

RLW

Here in Gen. 10, we see a quick rundown of the lineages of Ham and Japheth, and last but not least, Shem; but it is rather striking that for Ham and Japheth, no reckoning of their ages and lifespans appears to exist. Certainly not here... while on the other hand, Shem's male offspring are listed generally as having 400-500 year lifespans, apparently in direct contradiction to the remark of God in Gen. 6:3, that He will no longer strive with man, and will reduce his lifespan to 120 years.

It's not explicitly discussed after this (as far as I know), and Ham's and Japheth's lineages fade out of view, and obviously it's because Shem's lineage leads to the Messiah. And eventually we see this lineage lead to Abraham, whose lifespan was "only" 175 years, but it's probably safe to "read between the lines" here and assume Shem's offspring retained really long lifespans because they were in the lineage of the Messiah, while Shem's brothers' lineages shrank to 120 years after God's pronouncement in Gen. 6:3 and the imminent Flood.

Leviticus 18:22Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)

Hopes this helps you

Indeed and correct

I am feeling led to share a dream I had while sleeping recently. ( Jeremiah 23:28-30, )

the dream; There was a man & woman that seemed "closed off" like not wanting to get involved or be helpful, they seemed pleasant, polite. They were closing the front door of their home. Me & my 2 sons were in a vehicle, in the driveway of that man & woman. The house was on the left. I heard the LORD say in my spirit, "I AM now going to judge the greedy, rich, & corrupt." I felt a fearful Awe. Instantly the wind started blowing. My sons noticed something & told me to look. They insisted. I looked more intently. There were two trees. One seemed more like a bush, the other like a small tree. One was pulled up by the wind with roots blown left possibly at the back of house. We couldn't see damage. Then the electric poles that were in front of us & to the left were ripped up, & pulled that same direction. We knew it was going to cause a continued reaction, from the connected powerlines behind us. Before we could turn around to look back, the powerlines were dragged upon & over our vehicle, lighting it up with the electricity. Then being pulled a twisted mess of hotwires were in a powerful explosion of fire & electricity infront of us. The sun had set, it was dark outside so the intensity of the brightness was even more vivid. The dream switches to a large tornado above a large mirrored glass skyscraper & city. I was with many people outside. I loudly told everyone to pray. People furthest away on the left were beginning to be swept away before the large whirlwind was above us. Urgently I started to pray outloud for mercy. I plead that none should perish ( 2Peter 3:9, & Matthew 18:14,). The tornado broke apart in an unusual way, into many pieces & completely dispersed away. All the people within the streets nearby were safe, we were unharmed in all of those things, yet experienced the full intensity. End of dream.