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Yes. Yuinnik, that was helpful but I read that and here wheer I still need understanding , Jesus was the only spirit that came down from heaven and had to be born of women to get his human form, yes to appear in human form is one thing but how did become human when, Jesus had to be born.

Hi Cheryl,

This is a tough scripture, the sons of God and the daughters of men. Some consider the sons of God to be the line of Seth and the daughters of men the line of Cain. Then if we throw in what Jesus said in Matt. 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven, wow.

There is no need for angels in heaven to marry, they are immortal, and no need to reproduce as we will be after the resurrection in the kingdom on the new earth. Angels are called sons of God in Hebrew b'nai Elohim in Job 1:6 Job 2:1 Job 38:7.

Through scripture angels take on human form, they eat and drink Gen. 18:7-8 Gen. 19:3 and physically wrestle with man, Gen. 32:24. If they eat and drink would that mean they have all the organs of man on earth? Scripture tells us there are devils/demons and fallen angels on earth along with Satan but there is another group of angels. These angels are different, they are locked in chains of darkness in the bottomless pit until judgment. 2 Peter 2:4-7 Jude 1:6-7. We see in Rev. 9:11 this pit has a king, and this is where Satan will be locked up for 1000 years.

They left their first estate, heaven and in 2 Peter and Jude it says making them an example, (going after strange flesh), they corrupted God's creation Gen. 6:5-7. Even though there are fallen angels roaming the earth this set of angels God made an example to the others they will be locked in chains of darkness until judgment. We see the devils in Mark 5:9-10 were in fear Jesus might cast them down to the bottomless pit.

We see that this happened again after the flood, Gen. 6:4 "and also after." The description in scripture is clear these are not just tall people. 2 Samuel 21:16 Joshua 12:4 Numbers 13:33 Deuteronomy 2:19-21 Deuteronomy 20:17 Amos 2:9. This is just a small amount of information but may it will help in your study.

God bless,

RLW

Ruby Gbu for all the scriptures you have given us...But this forum has folks that are just like old Israel wanting to stone anybody that will not dance to their music...Remember Jesus said WHICH of the Prophets have not your fathers stoned..The bondwoman, natural Israel,...Stoned every prophet that God sent them....Jesus rebuked them saying which of the Prophets have not your fathers stoned....They cd not understand spritual things simply b/c it was hid from the wise and prudent...but revealed unto Babes and sucklings so they decided to stone these men of God....Bro. Paul said they were like Hagar and in bondage with their Children...Churchanity...Old Jerusalem....They even tried to stone Jesus several times...But Jesus tells them they were of their father the devil...They cd not believe that Jesus was gonna initiate a new covenant in his own blood...And putting the very Kingdom of God with in them....Abide in me and I in you...The N.C....They wanted to retain the O.C. and the works of the law...And they are still in violation of the N.C...Telling folks that water baptism cd remit sins...Not wanting to remember the gift of God is the H.G...Which is another Jesus that has to be born in us...A number that is gonna be as the stars of HEAVEN...GBU Ruby....Behold i send you another Comforter and he will abide with you forever....GBU

I agree and I'm so glad you are finding comfort in Him . That's a big part of why God has given and preserved His Word for us . That we may find comfort in this life , through His Word , which is always True , Everlasting and will be accomplished perfectly . His Word is the only One you can trust in 100 per cent . It doesn't matter if you can't understand every bit of it or memorize passages , just to know that , you can always read the Words of the Great God Almighty , you can feel His love through His Words , especially so in the Psalms , I go there every time this world starts to annoy me , I'm calmed and comforted instantly . Keep up your reading and give thanks to God in prayer every day . Every good thing in your life comes from Him . Remember , we are like the Israelites of old , wandering the desert ( this world ) and totally dependant on Him , acknowledge Him and His generosity and mercy in your life every day and He will lead you through this desert and bring you into His promised land .

What a great phrase , thankyou .

Yes ! We , humans , are the serpent , our hearts and minds which are full of all kinds of wickedness ! The battle is within us , not without , we must fight against our own inclinations , when we have the Spirit of Truth within us , then we are no longer ignorant and we have eyes to see and ears to hear and then , we walk in the light and our life is in Christ . We live in him , not in sin , we are alive in a world full of dead people !

If you could please pray for me and my other 2 siblings my. My mother's children she passed away in 2019 and we don't have anyone to fight us

Hi John.

I read they were removed in 1828 for various reasons.

Here's a few things you might find interesting.

In Luke 11:51, the Lord said something definitive about the extent of the canon of the Old Testament which He accepted. In condemning the leaders of the Jewish people for killing God's messengers throughout their history, He charged them of being guilty of shedding the blood of all the righteous from Abel to Zechariah. Now the murder of Abel is recorded in Genesis 4, and the murder of Zechariah in 2 Chronicles 24 which in the arrangement of the Hebrew canon was the last book in order (as Malachi is in our arrangement). So the Lord was saying, "From the first to the last murder recorded in the Old Testament." Now, of course, there were other murders of God's messengers recorded in the Apocrypha, but the Lord does not include them.

Evidently He did not consider the books of the Apocrypha to be of equal authority with the books from Genesis to 2 Chronicles.

If the writers of the New Testament considered the Apocrypha to be Scripture, we would certainly expect them to refer to it in some way. However we find no direct quotations. This is in contrast to over 250 quotations from the authoritative Old Testament Scriptures.

The fact that the present canon was repeatedly quoted as being divinely authoritative as well as the absence of any direct quote is another indication of the extent of the canon - it did not include the Apocrypha.

There is no evidence that the books of the Apocrypha were in the Septuagint as early as the time of Christ. The earliest manuscripts that contain them date back to the fourth century A.D. This does not demonstrate that the books of the Apocrypha were part of the Septuagint in pre-Christian times. Even if they were in the Septuagint at this early date, it is noteworthy that neither Christ nor the apostles ever quoted from them as they did with most of the Old Testament books.

God bless.

Michael:

The serpent has always had legs, the serpent is not a snake.

The serpent is the carnal mind of the beast, MAN.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom ....for it is the number of a MAN

Job 1:17 .....the Lord said to Satan, Whence cometh thou .....from walking (on legs) up and down on the earth

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field God made ...

Psalms 73:22 I was so foolish, and ignorant, I was as a beast before thee.

Romans 8:20 For the creature (man) was made subject to vanity (a carnal mind), NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of him (God) ......

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman .....enmity between the carnal mind and the bride of Christ ....

Romans 8:7 For the carnal mind is enmity against God .....

God Bless YOU as you study and Christ reveals himself to you.

Thanks S. Spencer. I will study these verses and get back to you if I am able. having surgery tomorrow so will be out of it for a few days.

Hello Jesse,

In past posts I believe that Alex mentioned that he is in his late 70's or so.

So, statistically, especially with the longevity of women on my mothers side (living almost to 90 or even 95 going back many generations, it is most likely I will outlive someone 10-15 years older than me, that is all I meant. I am not wishing that either Alex or I die soon, but that in all likelihood, he will probably pass before me. I hope I did not alarm anyone, but i do look forward to the day I will leave this mortal life behind and begin living in eternity with Jesus. But in the mean time, I will enjoy the days He gives me and attempt to make the most of the opportunities I have to love others and share what I know of Christ and His faithful word.

Hi Gigi.

Not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for but here's a few of many references of a future Kingdom here on earth.

Revelation 5:10

And have made us kings and priests to our God;

AND WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH.

Psalm 2:6-8

"Yet I have set My King

On My holy hill of Zion." "I will declare the decree:

The LORD has said to Me,

'You are My Son,

Today I have begotten You.

Ask of Me, and I will give You

The nations for Your inheritance,

And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

Daniel 2:34-35

You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and FILLED THE WHOLE EARTH.



Zechariah 14:9-11.

Zechariah 14:16-19

And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Matthew 6:10

Your kingdom come.

Your will be done

"ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN."

Matthew 5:5.

Matthew 25:31-34.

Isaiah 2:2.

Jeremiah 30:10.

Ezekiel 34:25-31.

Daniel 2:44.

Micah 4:1-2.

Zechariah 8:1-3.

Revelation 11:5.

God bless you.

Goodnight.

Hello GiGi,

I was taking a look at John 18:36 from my Greek study notes, and literally it is in the imperfect tense with a subjunctive particle that means "Up until now, my servants would have been fighting if my kingdom is from out of the earth as a source, so that I would not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from here.

I just wanted to share this as I do believe it supports what you are saying!

God bless you too, Ronald

I would agree with your reply. I think the "beginning" declared by Moses would be the starting point of what we know now. It is crucial that we know who gave us our beginning. God, who has no beginning did. His only begotten son came to earth to defeat the works of the devil and we seem to be part of that plan as we are the reason Jesus went to the cross. He has defeated all the sin and death caused by Satan there and he will eventually cast him into the Lake of Fire. It is all so amazing to be able to know even the bit we do know of the wonderful creator of the universe.

Littlesooz

What my first statement means; or I should have said is that we ALL go through a phase more or less known as the "honeymoon" phase after being saved. The proof of true salvation; however next has us go through trials to test us to see if we are truly in the faith or not. There are some who as the parable points out weren't truly "rooted" in Christ hence it was the emotional high which was the cause of the initial excitement rather than joy as say a spiritual gift or proper response to the Holy Spirit's prompting.

I hadn't considered your second point. I'm not sure in the context if it is valid. In one sense the gifts and calling are irrovocable or "without repentance" ( Romans 11:29). Again; much as with the first point; people can get more caught up in the gifts than the giver of the gifts. We also have to consider people's natural intelligence; physical prowess or social standing as something more in line with the idea in James that the rich tend to be oppressors. We also need to realize that someone operating at one time in spiritual gifts doesn't mean their overall walk will be one of great reward if they allow bad fruit to be maintained or sin to gain a foothold. There are those who may not manifest things at least obviously but are committed to loving the Lord and obeying His commandments ( John 14:15). There is also the need for proper use (such as interpretation of tongues); and sharing different gifts with the Body of Christ. These include discernment and wisdom which may not be as dramatic as some others "signs and wonders" type which some believe exist today and some don't. Of course we need to make sure that the "light in us isn't darkness" ( Luke 11:35). Without discernment than anything goes and demons can mimic true gifts. Therefore we have to make sure that "doctrines of demons" don't maintain a foothold ( 1 Tim. 4:1).

Agape.

Did the serpent at one point have legs?

Hello GiGi,

I was reading through this conversation and I am in agreement with what you are saying. I always enjoy reading your posts and I agree with you most of the time and I have also learned a few things I didn't know, mainly things you share on the Old Testament (my weaker area). So for that I say thank you.

But there is something you said that has me "scratching my head" and made me go hmm!

In your conversation with Alex, you said, "I just turned 66 a few days ago, and you have less time than I do before going to meet our Savior face to face."

I am just wondering how you can know that? Is it because he is older? Just curious, and I hope you don't mind me asking.

Blessings to you in Christ Jesus, and thank you for everything you share with us!

Why is the Apocrypha no longer in the KJV of today's books.

When was it stop being included?

Hi Ana. I agree with Adam's thoughts on this matter. We are indeed blessed to have medical help & advancing technology available to help us deal with problems in body & mind. I don't see this as a total non-reliance on God to grant healing - God does heal & if coupled with proper sincere medical help & trust in the Lord, I feel that's the proper way to go. After all, doesn't the Lord expect that we render whatever help to others & ourselves? And this help can come in various ways which must include, for the Christian, utter dependency on God to "establish the work of our hands upon us" ( Psalm 90:17).

And if a person chooses to refuse medical help or has elected to not be on any life support, then that is their choice and I don't believe that decision in any way violates God's Command concerning murder or any perceived determination by us that life must be preserved at all costs.

We have a few relatives connected with the Ceylon Pentecostal Mission & a couple of them have passed on, refusing any form of medical intervention in spite of great discomfort leading up to their death. This was their belief & of the Church, & of course, admirable. In spite of the tragedy of it all when their lives could have been saved, I couldn't help but admire the faith expressed to the Will of God for their lives & willing to face the consequences as the Lord chose for them.

But the matter of euthanasia, even if death is imminent, is a completely different matter to my belief.

Hello, i dont believe the Word addresses that other than do not kill and our bodies are mot our own. I think active euthanasia is wrong. Passive like turning off a ventlator i think is ok if its Gods will for that person to go. I also see that differently than someone who has gangrene but stubbornly refuses to see a hospital or just watching someone bleed to death and doing nothing.

Amen Gigi!!

Well stated, The Church is built on a rock!!

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Isaiah 28:16.

THAT ROCK IS THE LORD JESUS.

The Lord is going to judge his Church BUT the Church is not backed into a corner by the adversary screaming for help!

Matthew 16:18 is not a picture of the Church on defense! It's hell needs the Gates.

We march straight forward with the truth! THE WORD OF GOD.

We're not of the world where we compromise it.

We're separated and the Lord done the separating!

And by his word the climax of victory shall be seen.

I Love what you said! Christ is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH.

How could someone supposedly having the Spirit of God come against it?

If you have not the Spirit of God you're none of his.

We're not all Brothern!

The difference in the Gospels speaks for itself.

If that sounds harsh listen to Paul in

Galatians 1:6-10.

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Did Paul say let him be accursed?

Lord help anyone else that says that!

The scripture is to sharp!

If I left out scripture and used secular definition here's what I come up with.

IMPOSTER; a person who pretends to be someone else in order to deceive others, especially for fraudulent gain.

I'll stick to scripture.

God bless.

Ronald, wells stated and sensible. I agree. We do not know what God has done outside of earth's history and earth's as our abode. I think it is wise to leave such matters to the hidden counsel of God. What He has not revealed He does not want us to know in this life.

Hello again, Alex, let me clarify one more thought. The verse of John 18:36 says:

My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

When Jesus spoke the last sentence He was not speaking in terms of timeframes, using "now" to indicate time, but as a way of saying "as it is" as when someone says to another, "now, now, that is what I said." (not meaning now as pertaining to time, but pertaining to the surety of what was said. "Surely" could be faithfully used instead of "now" in this sense.

Jesus was not saying that at that point in time, ("now") Kingdom was not of this world but would be hence" (someday but- surely, His kingdom is not earthly and not from here (earthly).

We may disagree on this, Alex, but by the words of our Lord, I don't believe He said He ever planned to set up an earthly kingdom. You and many may differ with me on this, and I am open to consider what others can present with Scriptural support.

Hello.

I have a very important question. What does the Bible say about a dying person not wanting to continue with medical care. Is this considered suicide if you refuse to continue suffering with medical treatments?

Thank you so much!

Continued,

of Christ and the "manchild" on your own and separated from church affiliation. Your story is a classic example of how false doctrine begins and false teachers arise to promulgate these aberrant doctrines that twist Scripture, add to and take away from Scripture and intermix various scriptural phrases to say something the Word of God never meant it to mean. Also, when one intermixes their own ideas amidst scriptural bits and phrases as you do, it is wrought with error and should be rejected outright.

And I do just that with your teachings on this subject.

I do want to have meaningful conversations with you, Alex, and if you are able to speak to a topic without advancing these "newly discovered doctrines" laced in with your response to topics unrelated to your pet doctrines, then I am glad to engage with you. But when you wax into your usual plethora of false ideas, I simply discard most of what you have to say because of the blatant errors.

i love you, too, Alex. We have very different approaches to Scripture which lead us to have very different doctrines on some key matters of faith. I wish you well and many blessings. I know that you are older than me, I just turned 66 a few days ago, and you have less time than I do before going to meet our Savior face to face. May you days be filled with the truth of God's word and the love of God for His children and His church.

Dear ,

Sorry Alex, but the text of John 18:36 clearly states (by the mouth of Jesus) that His kingdom is not of this world. You have substituted hence for world, which is a twisting of Scripture. I stand on the words of Jesus, not yours.

When Jesus instructed the disciples to pray, He said, Our Father, who art in heaven...thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Jesus was saying that the kingdom already existed in heaven. I believe Him. I believe that the kingdom has always existed in heaven. But Jesus said many times that the kingdom of heaven is near or come. Thus, saying that the kingdom that exists in heaven has come to men in the person of Jesus. The kingdom, though only available to angels and heavenly hosts prior to Jesus' incarnation, was now available to men who believe in Him to be saved.

He said that the kingdom of heaven (or God) was within you, speaking of His disciples. Jesus' prayer he taught the disciples was for the kingdom of heaven (or God) that He is the King of, would come to earth within men and women who believe the gospel and follow Him. He is the kingdom for us. He is the King who reign within us and in heaven. He has always reigned in heaven. But He brought the kingdom to earth by His incarnation and Presence in believers by the Holy Spirit.

Alex, you definitely have a disdain for the church that Jesus said He would build and preserve. It has been in existence for 2000 years. And yes, there have been problems of sinful leaders and erroneous doctrines, but there is the same problems as these in the church since the Reformation. I do not think that the answer is to swear off the church body with contempt for the church is still the body of Christ. I am not talking about denominations or buildings, but believers gathered agreement of the one true faith delivered to us all by the apostles.

From what I remember reading in one of your past posts, you stated that you "discovered" the doctrine concerning the "seed"

Hi Littlesooz,

I agree we do not know what was before because it is not written, we only have the scriptures. All we can do is speculate which to me has no answers or end to what it could be. What would be the reason to venture or believe this earth was inhabited before the six days of creation we are given?

God has no beginning so what beginning would be in verse 1? I understand the beginning to be what is throughout scripture is God's plan for us and whether He had other plans before us, that is for Him to know. That's just me, thanks for your reply.

God bless,

RLW

Yes you are right but this where the game change. Remember they saw the children of Men beautiful in their eyes and said to one another let us go and take them in as wife's and at the junction of agreement between them all they took HUMAN form and came down and took wife for them selves and it is recorded that it was when their wife's began to give birth that the people knew something wasn't right. So my dear the truth is once they took HUMAN form they natural possess every emotions man has and that is why they could explore our fathers to teach all kinds of things at the time. I hope this has helped.

Hi Kalebu,

I see the temple of God as representing our relationship with God, which I feel is in agreement with what Ronald has spoken. In addition, the altar within the temple/tabernacle is representative of the Mind of God. Although some may disagree, neither have anything to do with the body, yet a healed body is the reflection of a mind which is in perfect alignment with the Holy Spirit i.e the Voice for God, which speaks ONLY for the Mind of God.

Blessings,

GOD IS

Thank you for that, i had already started doing that subconciously. But i will definatly always now lean to the low road first, the discussion.