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The Protestant church called Seventh Day Adventists teach on this point. Go to: Seventh Day Adventist Church Biblical Research Institute. Search on the Adventist website: is Michael another name for Jesus. Dated February 13, 2012.

The Seventh Day Adventists chose this name because they keep the seventh day sabbath. The Adventists eagerly look forward the soon return of Christ. Additionally, they teach the three angels message from Revelation. "Worship God, Babylon has fallen, come out of her, my people".

Amen! If it wasn't possible, Jesus would've never said it.

You are not understanding what I am saying. Jesus ETERNAL. He is the WORD. Jesus created everything. Jesus is God.Jesus is not a created being. Since Jesus is eternal, what was he doing before born? Think about it. What was he doing?

His name was Michael the archangel. The leader of the angels. God was living among his creation, the angels.

How is that far fetched?

YOU CANNOT HAVE FAITH WITHOUT PRODUCING GOOD WORKS.

James, 1:25- But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed

James, 2:14- What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

James, 2:18- 18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

James, 2:22-Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

James, 2:24 -Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

James, 2:26-For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

EVENTUALLY

If works are not present after knowing the truth in the word of God and accepting it, it is because your faith is false.

(Faith = believe)in the word of God and put it into(practice = works)so the works come automatically otherwise it is faith does not come from God and this faith cannot save you!!

THE FAITH

GRACE

REPENTANCE

PRACTICE GOOD WORKS

BAD WORK = SIN

GOOD WORK = SAVE AND SANCTIFY

It is good works that demonstrate that a person is saved

You cannot(BELIEVE = FAITH)in the word without

(PRACTICE = WORK)and you cannot(PRACTICE = WORK)without having heard, received and believed in the word.

Sorry, I should of proof read that.

So yes if you follow Christ and do the will of the Father we will (abtain) immortality.

Not (abstain) like in the previous post.

Pay attention to what follows to fully understand all of the words of the Lord who teaches us in righteousness and mercy through his son Jesus Christ.

ATTENTION: Beware of false teachers, pastors, prophets.

HERE IS THE CONTROVERSIAL VERSE

Ephesians, 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

(it is by grace that you are saved);

FOR WHAT

Because it is used without taking into consideration the entire Bible.

LET'S START, FOLLOW ME WITH YOUR BIBLE!

Titus, 1:16 They professthat they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Ephesians, 2:10- For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Philippians, 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Hebrews, 13:21 - 21] Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Titus, 2:7- In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing

Colossians, 1:10- That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

WARNING

Romans, 13:12 -The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the worksof darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Ephesians, 5:11 - And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works ofdarkness, but rather reprove them.

GOD JUDGES WHAT????

1 Peter, 1:17- 17] And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Romans, 2:6 - Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

YOU CANNOT HAVE FAITH WITHOUT PRODUCING GOOD WORKS.

God is a spirit and we worship him in spirit and in truth.

I hope you have a nice week brother Spencer. I have been thinking a good part of the day of the relationship between the sacredness of life and it's relationship in the Church with a present reign in Christ and non-resistance in doctrine. One small thought is everything belongs to God. So Paul says greet the brethren with a holy salutation, we can prove love this way, even a little bit on an online forum.

God bless you.

Hi Momsage. About your concern on "no matching KJB text": if a contributor writes out a Scripture reference that this KJBO Site engine doesn't recognize, then you will get that warning. Quite some time ago, KJBO put out information on what were the acceptable ways of writing Scripture (sorry, I can't find that information now). But in the case of " 2nd Cor 6:[14]", this wouldn't be acceptable because of the brackets used. I always spell the verse/passage out in full (even though it takes up more character spaces), e.g. 2 Corinthians 6:14, as I know the reader can just hover the pointer over the reference to see it rather than go to the Bible verse. Hope that helps sort this out for you.

Thanks responding Carleton.

I will touch base with you this weekend.

God bless.

Thank you Jema for your reply. On the Isaiah 13:12 reference, we would find no agreement at all, as the verse, when understood naturally & in context refers to the scarcity of human life during those times of the LORD's intervention & destruction. If you are finding Jesus in there (i.e. "I will MAKE A MAN more precious than fine gold"), then that would have to be a personal discovery rather than a textual truth.

And likewise with Colossians 3:10, the text doesn't allow for such an interpretation (i.e. of God creating Jesus). Paul is writing about two 'persons': the new man (i.e. the human being renewed by the Spirit), and of God (Who creates in His (God's) Image). So, it doesn't speak of Jesus, but of man who was once created in God's Image (Adam), & then after the fall, that image was marred, which necessitated a re-creation of that image in man. And to do this, man had to be changed inwardly (becoming a 'new man'), who now is being "renewed in knowledge" into the image of the One (God) Who created him (man). Yes, we do have 2 Corinthians 4:4 & Colossians 1:15 to support your use of 'image' as to Christ's 'creation', but we also have Genesis 1:27 & 1 Corinthians 11:7 to support man being made in God's Image. But to put Christ in Colossians 3:10 would violate the point of that verse which is directed to man's renewal.

Lastly, you wrote that you "don't really relish the idea of a big debate". That puzzled me since you initiated those questions for our responses. If we gave responses without 'debate/discussion', then the whole exercise would be entirely fruitless & pointless. So maybe you just wanted to share your understanding of those verses, but not willing to defend your beliefs; and these matters (of Christ's Divinity, eternal judgement, etc.) are vital to Christians & also in the preaching of the Gospel. Without these fundamentals, we have no Gospel - we have no message of liberty & hope to share with a lost world.

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Shabbat Keeper, where in the Bible does it say that Michael the archangel is God?

Dear Shabbat Keeper,

Again, I do not think that believing that a person lives on without a body after death necessarily leads to spiritism. That is an

erroneous assumption.

I do not think, though, that our dead loved ones in Christ are watching over us and involved in our life here. I believe that they

are with the Lord and that involves not knowing what is happening here on earth. That is what the Scripture is talking about

when it says that the dead know nothing-that is, nothing of the goings on of this world and life.

Eternal life is received when we believe and when we die, only our body dies. But eternal life is a completely different kind of life

that earthly life. it is a completely different realm of existence, of which we cannot pierce the veil in this life, nor can those

believers who have passed from death into life pierce the veil between eternal life and earthly life.

I guess we will just have to accept that we differ in our views on this and we will find out when we die what is true.

Dear Shabbat Keeper,

I have never advocated communicating with the dead. But I do believe that the Bible teaches what Jesus said that those who believe in Him, though one dies, will live forever.

Not justified to remain a sinner, we are justified to be the image of the Son of God. If I am the image of the Son of God Jesus Christ, how can I be the image of the devil st the sametime? You have to ve dead to one sin (the devil) to be alive unto another righteousnes (Jesus Christ). Jesus never died to establish a new type of sinner called a Christian sinner, God forbid. Jesus died so sinners can be Christians can be holy.

Romans 3:24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

[25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of -->sins that are past, being now

I was preaching 2nd Cor 6 &7. We have to come out of the churchs to be a seperate people. Come out from among them.

2nd Cor 6:14] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

[15] And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

[17] Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

[18] And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

2nd Cor 7:1] Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Moses, the Law giver, received the laws straight from God's mouth. They are Gods laws. He does not change his mind. Jesus didn't make new laws. He fulfilled them . Jesus fulfilled all the shadows of a type. All the tabernacle sacrifices pointed to him! After his death the CEREMONIAL laws ceased. Remember? The curtain was torn in the temple from top to bottom.

And in Daniel, the prophecy that Jesus would cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease: Jesus WAS the sacrifice. That is what he fulfilled. Once and for all.

Eccl 12.7

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Matt 10. 28

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Roman's 6. 23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is (eternal life) through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 2. 7

To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Corinthians 15. 51-58

54

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

2nd Timothy 1. 10

But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

So yes if you follow Christ and do the will of the Father we will abstain immortality.

Scripturally. (Hell)

Rev 21.8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Matt 25. 46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Rev 20. 10 10

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20. 1414

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 20. 15 15

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

With much love and humility, I'm not trying to convince anyone. Thats for each person to decide what they wish to follow. I'm not the Author I'm just a messenger trying to speak the truth.

May God Bless you without measure.

No no. The sabbath is a blessing and a gift.

We should worship God every day. All the time. I agree with you.

But, God gives the directions for how he is to be worshipped. Look what happened to Cain. God told him how to worship, but Cain had his own ideas. He brought a sacrifice other than what God required. Look what happened to Aaron's sons when they brought strange fire. They died. Look what happened when David brought the ark to the city of David. One of the men reached out to stabilize it. He touched the ark and died.

We are not allowed to over ride God. God makes the rules for how and where and when he is to be worshipped. He said the seventh day. Period.

By alll means, go have fellowship on Sunday and on Wednesday nights. And do Bible study's on Tuesday and Thursday. And take a Bible class on Monday. But none of those days are the sabbath day. The sabbath is the seventh day. Saturday.

This point will become a serious issue in the near future when the Papal system requires Sunday worship. Once it is a law, then you will know that it is the "mark" of the beast.

The papal system is the beast of revelation . The church fathers of Protestant era thought so. Look it up. Martin Luther in particular.

Again a very backwards teaching as we are washed from sin not cleansed. The reason why you sin and can't stop sinning is because you are a slave to it a slave to the devil. The apostle Paul preached in Romans 6:18 "Being then made free from sin ye become the servants of righteousness" (Jesus) The apostle Paul is just like me an ex-sinner saved by grace.

John 8:34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

[35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

[36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

The apostle Paul did not say he sins daily. He dies daily and not to sin, but to the things of the world. We have to die daily as Paul picked up from Jesus teaching.

John 9:41] Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

We are to be blind remain dead to sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. The wages of sin is death/hell firer and brimstone. The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven. This eliminates 99% of all Christians as they claim they can not be righteous free from sin.

1st Cor 6:9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Romans 6:[20] For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

[21] What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

[22] But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Good luck in being heard as God does not hear the prays of sinners. We see this everyday people dying in the hospital or looking for an out because of their pain and God hasn't heard them yet. A saved sinner means is a righteous person.

Again a very backwards teaching. Genesis 1:26 the words "Let us" and NOT "Let me" plural as God was talking to somebody in heaven and it was not Lucifer. God was talking to his Son as the bible tells us that there was always somebody with God at all times in the old testament. To say that Jesus was God and was one of the angels or whatever funny teachings you received from church is not the bible truth but some perverted doctrine of devils and seducing spirit. God had a Son known as the Holy One in the bible in the old testament. God the Son is just a man made gospel from the pit of hell as God the Son never lived a day on the earth, more or less die for my sins. Can't make the blind to see or lame to walk in the name of God the Son. The Son of God Jesus Christ sure can make the blind to seem death to hear and lame to walk. The Holy One came down not God. God was not Superman to become a human being. Don't know where you get such funny gospel that Jesus was one of the angles or Jesus is God.

Habakkuk 3:[3] God came from Teman, -->andand

There is significant danger in believing that dead people are ghosts floating around and aware of what's going on.

1, It leads to consulting the dead ( Demons impersonating our dead relatives) . The Catholics pray to dead saints. Dead people!

2. The Catholic system of purgatory leads people to believe that they can live like the devil and get a second chance in purgatory. And, the Vatican made a fortune getting people to pay to get dead relatives out of purgatory. Huge scam.

3. When Jesus was on the mount of transfiguration, Moses and Elijah were there in their physical bodies. Moses had had a special resurrection. ( the devil argued over his body). Elijah didn't die but was carried away in the chariot.

4. When Jesus told the thief "I tell you today you will be with me in paradise". They didn't use commas in Hebrew. So, it depends where the comma is placed. " I tell you today, you will be with be in paradise". Not " I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."

There's more but I'll stop here.

Research soul sleep. The "living" dead are sleeping in Christ. We have an object lesson, when we go to bed at night and sleep. Suddenly, it's morning.

Our dead relatives have no idea what's going on. They are not watching over us. They are asleep!

Thinking otherwise leads to spiritism which God forbids.

Jesus is our rest as he is the head of the ten commandments for rest sake as he is Lord of the Sabbath.

Mark 2:27] And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

[28] Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

1st Cor 11:[3] But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Hebrews 10:[1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

The Jews could not keep the Sabbath and yet they claim to be a righteous people just like the Sabbath day keepers of today, the pollute it.

Nehemiah 13:[15] In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals.

[16] There dwelt men of Tyre also therein, which brought fish, and all manner of ware, and sold on the sabbath unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem.

[17] Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the sabbath day?

[18] Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.

Jesus is God. Jesus is eternal. He has always existed with his father. And, right, nobody can look at the Father. His glory would kill us instantly.

Before Jesus was born in Bethlehem, what was he doing? He was living among his angels, as Michael. Jesus is the one who spoke to Abraham before he destroyed sodom and Gomorrah.

Whenever the Bible speaks of the Angel of the Lord, that is Jesus!!!!

Research that.

We are first justified. Think of it as "just as if we never sinned". We are cleansed and forgiven. Then begins school. The process of becoming like Jesus. And, that is sanctification.

Think about someone saved at Bible camp or retreat. And for a year or so they are on fire. Then, bit by bit, they drift away. They stop learning about God. But, they reassure themselves that they are saved. "Once saved, always saved" is a dangerous lie.

"Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breast. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line; hear a little and there a little." Isaiah 28:9-10 KJV.

I agree with everything you've said, including the comment that Saturday is the Sabbath and should be our day of "rest", in keeping with the 4th commandment. I don't believe this commandment was done away with by Jesus. but I wonder why make a doctrine out of whether we sleep until the resurrection or go straight to heaven? It has no bearing on our salvation either way that I can see. If we are going to be with God for eternity either way, so again, why make a doctrine out of it?

Of course, there may be a deeper meaning that I admit I don't see. So may question is real.

I know that Jesus wants us to fellowship together but I am not able to do that because in the small town I live in there doesn't seem to be a group to fellowship with that is KJB only ( most us the NIV) oe that worship on Saturday that isn't full of false doctrines. So I worship at home.

My last pastor preached from the NIV and I followed along in my KJB and paid very close attention to what he was preaching. I didn't like doing it that way but he ((seemed) and the people were very loving and Godly so I didn't want to leave either until the pastor told me that he believed the KJB wasn't written by God. I left immediately.

I am glad I found this KJB only discussion group. You all seem to love the Lord Jesus as I do. God Bless

My Sabbath is everyday. My Jesus is no longer here in the flesh as we know no man after the flesh 2nd Cor 5:16-17.

2nd Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

old things are passed away, Sabbath day old thing.

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Jesus had to be born again as he died and was burred. What came out of the grave was not the same thing that went into the grave. Jesus was now a dead man walking full of holes and no blood. Can you live with no blood? Nope, Jesus was eating and talking because of the sprit of God his Father in him a new creature.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

The bible says flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of heaven 1st Cor 15:50. Jesus was now a new creation eating, talking and breathing and yet he had no blood. A born again Jesus this time of the spirit and no longer of Mary.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ...

I'm sorry I didn't mean to imply you don't follow God's word; the KJB. Maybe you don't realize that the links on your 2 Corthians verses all say "* no matching KJB text." That was what I was asking about. I'm sure it's my misunderstanding.

Yes the bible does warn us of many false prophets teaching many false doctrines. As true believers we must be willing to diligently keep Christ and His true word formost in our hearts and lives and trust the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is infallible. That's why I feel blessed in finding this group of KJB only believers. Please have a blessed day.