Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 51

Momsage,

Actually it is not about POTUS of then and now. The problem ia with sin and man, the Founding Father for an instance has had slaves when the US wrote their constitution. The Fathers belonging to the class of gentlemen lived by certain rules. They would not have allowed a blackguard to come in.So the Constitution was written for a class that honoured a certain conduct and principles. But sin was in keeping a throughly bad principle of race and master and slave run on/ Sinful man is afraid not only in Zion but also elsewhere. Britain freed slaves before they left but had to hand over all possession to the new masters as they left. Thus slavery was allowed to continue. If the Founding Fathers were truly building a New Canaan they could have publicly declared them free. They did not.

Sin never remains single but affects the entire union. Neither a civil war or three of its kind shall not cure this problem. Total cleansing is what one would need. POTUS in the post Civil war tried to appease the South which only added to the problem Jim Crow laws were under Southern democrats which are the GOP of present days. The parties keep changing shapes and names but the heart of a sinful man is ever in ferment. Whence did these deep-state and conspiracy theories originate? Fear of course. Is South happy because many Presidents like Nixon for instance had a southern agenda to win their support? As Adam was fearful after sin of disobedience they shall never be happy always suspecting danger. It is this fear that politician use 'fermongering ' is very useful for the blackguards. Without Christ nations scatter whatever blessings they were given.

Hi Bennymjke: I agree with you to a certain extent and God did have a much better man in the White House then, then we have now. Anybody would be better than who we have now but God put him there so I guess we just have to endure. Do you think progress is important?It's true there are plastic bottles in our oceans but there are people a lot healthier, also, because of the strides made in medicine since then. What do you think of what we've been told that the bomb took a lot less lives than if the war had gone on as a ground war? Do you believe that was true? I think you know a lot about history so I look forward to reading your reply. God Bless :)

Momsage,

Minds that devise nuclear bombs refer to the mind of man. It is all caught up in ideas, and cutting short time and motion. Such reliance on reason than morality takes line of least resistance. His foresight does not match hindsight. So we have micro-plastics even in oceans and in our bodies. Space junk not to mention the garbage left behind the Himalayas and so on. Then we have forever chemicals.

Since you mentioned history Nazi Germany was well advanced onto making a nuclear bomb as well as Japan. One of the last acts of the former was to send all that enriched uranium through a sub- 325 if I remember correctly, to Tokyo which en route was intercepted by the US before Canada could. On the way Germany had surrendered to the Allies. So the crew of the sub readily surrendered to the US. At that time the US were run by decent and morally upright men like FDR,Truman George Marshall. FDR politically savvy could not have got his New Deal through so he packed the Supreme Court with social minded Justices like Brandeis and few others. The same idea in our times have created way for the present impasse. In whichever case God is in control. No nation has been given a blank check to do what it will. Man takes shortcuts while history runs slowly so man often fails to see the connection. Have you seen any policies run to its happy outcome? Did the Civil war free the slaves and the people lived happily ever after?

Oh I did not know that. How many years were you married?

Hi Bennymkje:

"Minds that devise nuclear bombs to halt a war in far-off Pacific theater of war may not have foreseen space based nuclear weapons but it has become the reality." Don't you think this is God's will. Nothing for true believers to be worried about, except to be praying for our lost loved ones.

Just a little bit of true history:

You're talking about the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This would not have happened if the Japanese leaders had been willing to surrender but instead they refused, even after we bombed Hiroshima, which, by the way, was detonated high above the city because we didn't want it to hit the ground, it would be much much more devastating. We had to bomb Nagasaki too, because the Japanese, military and civilians, were getting ready to continue to fight, which would have taken years as a ground war and millions of more people would have been killed. We gave them plenty of warning including the first bombing and they still refused to surrender until after we bombed Nagasaki. Also, I advise you to read "Life Atomic: Radioisotopes in Science and Medicine" by Angela Creager to see the many wonderful discoveries that we have today; gleaned from Atomic Technology. The United States could have very easily taken over Japan to "colonized" it but instead we reached out a very large helping hand to help it become the country it is today. That's the TRUE American way.

I love this quote from G. K. Chesterton: "The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him." God always brings about His will in these things, I'm sure, Bennmkje, you must realize. God Bless :)

Hello Confuzzled: I know the idea of hitting a child, especially a young child like yours, can be traumatic. The key is to understand what the bible is saying about discipline and what a rod is. Right after WWII people started accepting the worlds philosophical methods to raise a child, which mostly included no discipline, instead of keeping with God's plan. Now today we see the terrible results; children, who have been coddled instead of receiving loving, caring discipline are a mess. If we rightly divide the word ( 2 Timothy 2:15), we can understand how to do this so our children are well behaved and show a good witness for the Lord and it is not harmful. When I was a single parent of 3 small children the discipling was now up to me. Since the mother's role is to nurture I didn't want to use my hand so I saw by scripture that a rod could be a stick. I got a thin, small, smooth branch and used that. It stung but didn't abuse and worked pretty well. After using it for awhile, usually all I had to do was reach for it and the bad behavior stopped.

Prov. 13:24 "He that spareth his ROD hateth his son: but he that loveth him CHASTENETH him betimes" (in good time).

ROD: SHEBET (SHAY-BET) STICK

CHASEN: MUSAR (MOO0SAWR') REPROOF, WARNING. Discipline, however, doesn't have to always be a spanking. MY daughter babysat for two little girls. One was very active and the other one loved just sitting and reading a book all day. If the first one was misbehaving my daughter would make her just sit in a chair staring at the wall for a time, this was punishment to her. If the other one needed discipling my daughter made her go outside and ride her bike or roller skate, or something like that for a time. It worked very well. There really is a lot to learn about the discipling of a child but God can lead you to people who can help. Just be sure their advise is biblical. I hope this helps a little and I will be praying. God Bless :)

I'm a widow.

Hello again Confuzzled,

If a young toddler can learn not to touch things that are hot, or stay by you in the store or near the car, or not throw things, hit people, etc in these years, then they will be able to learn more easily things that are of more moral issues. they will..

When my boys were young, they knew that when I said "no" to something, I meant "no" and that I would not give into their pleading, crying, or other methods toddlers and preschoolers use to get one to relent. So, being staunchly resistant to giving in is very important in parenting very young kids. I also found that making it so that I could be available and willing to say "yes" to their needs and normal desires as often as I could was helpful. This way they knew that I was willing and able to meet their reasonable requests and set acceptable parameters to their behaviors and to the environment that they were to operate within.

With my three boys I can say that we never went through the "terrible twos" as many call it because i did not allow the tantrumming and constant disobedience without consequences that deterred them. After my sons turned three they did not need a heavy-handed discipline environment because they had a realm of operation that was comfortable for them, not restrictive concerning what is normal expectations of children. To accomplish this a parent needs to be willing to be inconvenienced by their children's needs and to pay attention to them in the home and away. When at the doctor or other place that was not very easy for children to behave in I always brought books or some small toys for them. I interacted with them and focused on them, not on my phone or with other adults. It was this attentiveness to them that taught them to behave well in situations that were so difficult for young ones to keep occupied in desirable ways. The goal in this was to train them so that we could really take them almost anywhere and they would be well behaved because we met their needs.

Hello Havefaith85: It must be hard to know a loved one is suffering. My prayers are with you and your wife and your daughter also. God is a great, loving Father and He WILL meet your needs according to His will.

Don't feel like you can't pray whenever you need to. Asking for prayer for real and sincere needs is something God always wants us to do. He is our Heavenly Father and loves us unconditionally. Go to Him always with your needs and reach out to your brothers and sisters in the Lord also because the bible says to pray without ceasing which includes praying with other Christians.

1 Thessalonians 5: 16-18

"16. Rejoice evermore. 17. PRAY WITHOUT CEASING 18. In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."

God Bless :)

Hello Confuzzled,

This is a difficult topic for many couples when it comes to how to discipline their children..

There is a difference between spanking a child in anger and spanking a child to teach them to stop doing something that is either physically harmful to themselves or others or sinful.

In raising my own children, we did spank them in their early years, but never in anger or because their behavior caused us to be angry or frustrated. They were never responsible for any of our own emotions, so we never wanted to "make them pay" for making us feel certain ways. I think this is a key to using effective discipline for young children. Spanking is a form of aversion therapy in that they will learn to associate certain actions with discomfort and so they will learn to resist their urges to repeat these actions. It is effective in a n atmosphere of love and acceptance along with an understanding of their stage of development .

Young children do not see things as adults do and yet many times adults think that kids are just doing things to be

"bad" or disrupt and adult in their desired activity of the moment. Although this disruption happens often when children are young, they do not have the capacity to think through their actions as adults do and they do not have enough experience or memory to internalize much of what they do. Most actions are done because of a physical need or as an impulsiveness.

Since your child is a toddler (between the ages of 1 and 3) he/she is at a good age to be disciplined this way. I found that with my three boys using spanking during toddlerhood along with other types of discipline eliminated many behaviors that would be come problematic habits if not dealt with at an early age and that after age 3, I hardly had reason to spank them much after that age. They had learned that when I said "No", "Stop", "don't touch" or "Stay by me" they knew I meant it and would make it difficult for them to continue to disobey. This worked.

Matt.21:42-46 "Fall of Babylon"

In the Book of Genesis God separated the waters above from water below (Ge.1:6-7)which is a signal for the rise and fall of nations,- and the vision of Daniel on the banks of Ulai in Dan.12 gives us a river of time so history of these are set, and it leads us to the throne of God and of the Lamb and beyond to the saved nations on the earth.

According to the Abstract First day set two nations of light and darkness. Second day provided us the heaven a label for the world of the Spirit. God blessing Abraham (12:3) sends him along and his looking for a city was spiritual insight so faith explains what Abraham deprived of the Promised Land because of the sin of Amorites, could still thrive despite of it. " For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God."(He.11:10). It is thus we consider the cloud of witnesses which validates heroes of faith as the double for the Son.

The fall of Babylon described in St John's vision explains the fate of Jerusalem and the nations which rejected the Son. "And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder./ And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them."(v.45). Specific to the nation of Israel we have this verse, "And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:"(Re.17:6; Matt.23:35-36)

vv.14-18 "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." In their opposition to God they are as one and yet Jerusalem shall be destroyed by the Gentiles. Re.18:21 the "stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."(18:21)

In proverbs it talks a lot about how sparing the rod spoils the child. I understand and agree that children need rules and discipline. I'm new to Christianity. My husband grew up with god. We have a toddler. My husband believes the best and only way to discipline our toddler is by spanking. I grew up being spanked and have always been against it. I have a hard time emotionally not interfering when he does it and he gets upset that I don't spank as well. I know what the Bible says. I just don't know how to make myself ok with it or even do it myself. The Bible says to die to yourself and follow gods word. So how do I put my trauma and emotions aside to do what the Bible says? How do I not worry about my child's emotional and mental wellbeing or what being spanked could do to them? I want to submit to my husbands lead and have my child grow up to be a good human being. I just can't get over physically and possibly mentally harming my child to do it.

Hi Momsage,

In your post to Chris you did make more than one small sarcastic remark. You even disparaged God in it.

I was not lying in wait for you to error so I could point out your sin. But your remarks prompted me to enter the conversation. I was not angry with you, just sad that you said what you did in a conversation that was centered on whether one can come to the point of being sinless in this lie, as you asserted about yourself. In speaking sarcastically as you did, you were not merely making a point to support your position or to show the error of Chris' view, in my opinion.

I am sorry that you have made the choice to eliminate conversation with some of us here. That is sad to me. I thought you considered me a friend, and I value that. But friends should be able to be honest in gentle ways for the purpose of helping one another, even if it involves showing where we sin against one another.

I hope that you will change your mind and also remember that if you post on this forum, anyone can reply to what you say, so even if you do not wish to speak to me or Adam or Chris, we are free to speak to what you post here. I pray that

God will bring healing and restoration between us as well as help us all to be open when someone identifies sin in what we say here, as I did in your case. The best thing you can do is examine yourself before God and confess yourself a sinner before Him as I and most on here do when we realize that we have sinned, even though our "new man" does not want to sin, as Paul says so well in Romans 7.

Matt.21: 33-46 "Parable of the Wicked Tenants"

"He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons." (v.41)

The vineyard is Jerusalem. It is set on a fruitful hill. Isaiah's Song of the Vineyard (5:1-7) gives us the key. "For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry." Prophet Zechariah refers to Jerusalem which is elevated not by natural causes but the day of the Lord calls for their destruction and it is to be let out to other husbandmen. In one level the song "Now will I sing to my well-beloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard" is about the everlasting covenant and it is this elevated ground called New Jerusalem we are concerned about.

In the previous post we considered the pure water of life with the tree of life on either side of it, and it is how we track house of Israel on a fruitful has its double in the world of the Spirit. Thus the night vision of Daniel shows one like the Son of man is' the well beloved' in the Song of Isaiah. The river coursing through the middle of throne gives the river of time with worlds of the body and of th Spirit carrying the destinies of nations. This key shall explain the last chapter of the Book of Zechariah as well.

"In that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea." This living waters refer the pure water of life in St John's vision.(Ze.14:8-10)

There shall be no more sea (21:1) The waters are for the saved nations. "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."(Re.22;17)

Matt.21:43-46 "Nations"

"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof./ And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder./ And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them."

'A nation bringing forth fruits' is not any specific nation but children of light collectively called a nation, and its hallmark is determined by fruits. "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit."(12:33). Do we see any nation producing fruits that may be called as good?

Re.21:23 presents us nations walking under the holy city which is set up in mid-air so 12 foundation mentioned earlier gives us a rainbow as token of the everlasting covenant renewed between God and Noah, "for perpetual generations"(Ge.9:17).This is the sign now established by their own merits to which Jesus and his disciples serve for signs and wonders.(Is.8:18). Zion is above and not on the earth. Only those whose names 'are written in the Lamb's book of life,'(21:28) shall have access to it.

"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: and the Lamb is the light thereof".

However the pure water of life cannot be hanging in the midair but serves a purpose. There shall be no more curse but healing of nations would require the tree of life. "And on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations".(Re.22:1-3)

"And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain."(Ze.14:17) Gates to New Jerusalem are open (21:25)

Matt.21:23-27 "If thy eye be evil"

"By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?"

The triumphal entry of Jesus moved the city of Jerusalem and the commotion brought chief priests and elders to see it for themselves. "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?"(13:55) In his own country the townsfolk were offended and in Jerusalem he was all the more a question mark. "Who gave thee this authority?"

Jesus could have given the same answer he gave John, "Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see/ The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them."(11:4-6) What blessedness was in reducing the power and glory of God into some theorem to be proved? It is what serpent gave Eve asking her to prove God by some established truths. Knowledge of good and evil without the truth was neither here nor there. Ever since the world has been wrestling with it and to what purpose?

Man raises razor-wire fencing to keep migrants out while within wildfires menacingly spread into an inferno does man see any connection? Of course not. His mind has been corrupted by undue stress on reason to see his folly from evidences. Minds that devise nuclear bombs to halt a war in far-off Pacific theater of war may not have foreseen space based nuclear weapons but it has become the reality.

The chief priests without faith could not determine if John's baptism was from heaven or not. They also wanted to please man so they were stumped by the question of Jesus. They were like the proverbial salt having lost savor was good for nothing. "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."(He.11:6)

Also you forgot one type of sarcasm; a form of speech to make a point.

Hello GiGi: When I made that one small sarcastic remark to Chris, it was to make a point, not to offend anyone but you jumped on it like it was a terrible sin and seemed to be glad to finally have "proof" that I was a "sinner." That's the way I took it. If you had simply asked me not to do it anymore, because it offended you, I would have been fine with that. Now you've blown it all out of proportion and seemed to be including Chris and Adam in the turmoil. I have apologized for offending you and Chris, whom according to you, was also offended. I will say to Adam, IF I have offended you also I apologize for your misunderstanding of my use of sarcasm like GiGi and, I guess, Chris have and were also offended. I don't know how you even got involved in this so, sorry. GiGi, your dissing on me and calling me snarky seems worse to me then a little sarcasm. You even seem a little angry. So, I will finish my commitment to the Lord about the other matter we were discussing but you won't hear back about it from me because I don't intend on having any more discussions with you and Chris and Adam of any kind. I think we should part ways. I'll see you all in Heaven some day. God Bless:)

Thanks Steven.

My brother is believer and I think that my nephew is, too. I just started to get to know him a bit more in September. There has not been a lot of interaction between my brother and I for some time. I texted my brother offering my support and concern for both him and his son. I don't know much of the details of how all this came about but I do know that his mother was very neglectful of him while in her care up until he was 18 and moved here to live with his dad. He has severe allergies and asthma and attacks send him to the hospital. He told me before he moved this way he had such an attack and asked his mom to take him to the ER which was across the alley from their house. She would not and he called 911 to be transported 1 block. That kind of did it for him as far as living with her any longer. Her pattern of neglect for her 6 children (3 are my brother and hers) with this nephew being the youngest has been long standing for more than 50 years when her first 3 were born out of wedlock and she was on welfare. It is long story of neglect and disfunction with both my brother and their Mom. My brother was forced to move out in when this nephew was 18 months old and he could not visit at all. He just went along with what his wife told him to do. So, His son came to live with him at 28 and he did not know his dad at all, really. It was a situation I was not privy to since they lived across the state and I had concerns about my children being exposed to some things that we wanted to avoid, so we did not spend much time with them over the years. But now, my nephew wants to communicate more with me after a family gathering in September.

So, prayer is needed, for we know that the Holy Spirit intercedes in us when we do not know how to pray. Thanks.

My family is very, very dysfunctional and there have been so many concerning matters over the years that we have just stayed apart as much as possible while visiting my Mom and a few brothers that are fairly normal.

I of course will ask for the Lord to make Himself real to him; not knowing where he is at in that regard. As far as support goes I would ask that for your brother as well; that some understanding as to what may have triggered this episode will be made clear.

Not sure what else for now unless you want to give any more specifics; except that he will realize that you are a woman of faith and that he should heed your words of wisdom.

Agape.

Rich P

Sure will Gigi.

God bless you.

Thanks Adam

This is a very concerning situation, but i know that God is bigger than all our problems and struggles and the effects of the fall.

He is able to redeem and heal and protect.

Hi GiGi, I'm sorry to hear that but thanks for sharing that. I prayed for him. May God's will be done.

Hello please pray for my nephew. He suffers from PTSD and has tired to commit suicide 4 times this last month. He just got released from a three week stay in the psyche ward. He texted me today to let me know as I had texted to check in with him. He is 30, lives with my brother, his dad, is unable to work and has a whole plateful of things to work through. I did not know how serious his mindset was until I got this text. Your prayers are appreciated and I am thankful for all who will lit up "J" now in his road to healing and recovery.

Hi GiGi:

I'm still studying on our other discussion but I did want to say my sarcasm was meant to make a point. I still haven't heard from Chris that I offended him, as far as I know. I agree with most of what you said. If sarcasm is done in a way that is displeasing to God it shouldn't be done. The sarcasm should be apologized for and the believer should ask God for forgiveness for hurting the other person and to help him to overcome using sarcasm in a hurtful way. God Bless :)

Hi Sharon Marable:

I truly sympathies with you. The same thing happen to me when I moved to Denver, a big city and no non-denominational churches would help me with a ride. I just trusted that God would make a way then I moved to where my daughter lived and she took me to church. I know you just moved so I'm not saying that that is the solution for you unless God directs you, but just Pray and trust God to make the way for you to be able to go to church. Just keep your spiritual eyes on opening of doors for you but don't compromise, be sure it's a church you trust. I will pray for you. God Bless :)

Exodus 20: 13 King James Bible

Thou shalt not kill.

Kill: ratsach: to murder, slay

Matt.21:22 "Power, glory and faith"

"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive."

'All things' are included here. Worlds framed by the word of God are heaven and the earth that is the world abides forever so blessings of every one who is adopted the fellowship of God and the Son is entitled to it. "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?"(Ro.8:32) As children of light we ought to be circumspect to seek not the selfsame things as the ungodly in a frenzy rush in madcap adventures that eventually drive them to their destruction. "According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:/Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world."(2 Pe.1:3-4)

Dear Sue, I will pray for you today for all that you have requesting in the name of Jesus.

Heavenly Father, we come to You today and ask that you help Sue to grow spiritually and to be enabled to walk by the Spirit daily. Help the children mature in their fand let no one be a stumbling block before the to case any to doubt You or pursue ungodliness.

We ask that Sue's husband be brought to faith by Your Holy Spirit's work of regeneration and that he will see the need to help Sue out with the many things a full time mother does. Amen