Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 527

Marianne. David like us when walking and listening to God he conquered

When he didn't i.e. walking by his senses he paid and yet in all that he did

Wrong God calls David a man after His own Heart. We need that kind of heart.

Hi Evelyn...Good question about the 2 men and the 2 women....But they are actually just 1 person that have been bornagain of an incorruptible seed,...even by the word of God...But satan has sowed a Tare in them making them 2 ppl....they are involved in a war with satan the Tare...Remember Jesus said that the kingdom of God suffers violence....The Wheat and the Tares are in a WAR IN EACH PERSON that is bornagain of an incorruptible seed...Simply b/c Satan is gonna sow a tare in us with the wheat....Its KiNGDOM AGAINST kINGDOM....The Tare is satan's seed but the Wheat is Jesus seed....Thats y Paul was saying when i wd do good evil is present with me...O wretched MAN THAT I AM...Paul had become 2 ppl...But with my mind i serve the law of God but with my flesh the law of sin....2 PPL was in Paul spiritually speaking

.....But Jesus said to let them GROW TOGETHER ( 2 PPL ) till the HARVEST..Then i will say to the reapers gather up the Tares and burn them but gather the Wheat to my barn....His kingdom

..... Rev 22:11....He that is unjust let him be unjust still...He that is filthy let him be filthy still...Thats the Tare within us with the WHEAT

......He that is Righteous let him be righteous still....He that is Holy let him be Holy still....Thats the Wheat with in us....And behold i come quickly and my reward is with me....The reapers are gonna gather the Tares and burn them....But the Wheat goes to his barn the Kingdom.

.....So the 2 men in 1 bed is just 1 man that has been bornagain of an incorruptible seed...But the Tares makes him another man.

......And the 2 women are just 1 woman that has been bornagain that are grinding at the mill ..But the Tares and the wheat make her 2 women.

......There is no way we can have the Wheat ( That Good seed ) ..Without having to go thru a warfare with satan the Tares that bad seed....And they have to grow together till the time of the harvest....Thats y Jesus was saying he that endures to the end shall be saved...The Harvest.

Thank you Mishael.

I know I was moved by the Holy Spirit when I wrote it. I could not take the credit, but Glory to God.

Since I was saved, I tried the best to understand the Bible and claimed the treasures of wisdom and knowledge as Colossians 2:3 says.

I came back for at least ten. I pray there are more. This is a parallel of what the Lord says..Genesis18:23-33.

Those who have ears, let them hear what the Lord says.

Agape.

You're like a lily among thorns is what God says when He sees His Election, You're like a lily among thornes, so is MY FRIEND among the (Daughters/ DAMSELS/ the people) who have been misled thru false teachings is what God is saying :

It's beautiful ! Just beautiful ! Precious !

Amen to you Billy !

Paul , I have to be honest with you . I have had family who were involved with the mormons so I know a bit about them and their beliefs . I'm probably not the best person to enter a dialogue with you so if you would beg my pardon I shall respectfully bow out of this conversation .

Well explained bro S. Spencer, as also from bro Adam's comments to Paul. I think of Philippians 2:12: "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." The apostle was writing, 'your salvation came by faith, now work out that faith (your salvation) in your lives, and do so with great seriousness & watchfulness'.

Salvation can never be by works alone, nor by faith plus works, or else it would no longer be of faith. Faith is trusting in God to give us His gift of salvation. Works is trusting in Ourselves to give us salvation - if this was so, even possible, Christ need not have died, & our salvation would be based on our efforts which would have guaranteed our rejection by God. But God-given faith must produce God-given works - we must give all diligence to it.

Hi Paul,

Thanks for listing the verses of your perceived contradictions. You're making a giant claim by claiming "The Bible contradicts itself quite often." Have you actually done a deep study into each of your claims to determine if other explanations exist that you haven't yet considered or is this just a snap judgment? Just because you assume they're contradictions doesn't mean they are and doesn't seem to justify trying to discredit the Bible on a Bible site. If you would like we can address each of these one at a time. In reality you could also just take a few seconds to Google search it and find logical explanations for each of these points from sites like got questions, carm, etc but still, I'm happy to have a dialog.

For now I'll just point out that your first difficulty with geneologies, the geneology of Matthew may be through Joseph and geneology of Luke may be through Mary. Can you see how that would result in a different geneology? Another view is that Matthew is a biological geneology and Luke recorded a legal geneology through levirate marriage. Deuteronomy 25:5. Another possibility is that Joseph had two fathers. Can you see how now in just a short paragraph that either of these could easily explain what you assumed was a contradiction. Because the Bible was meticulously recorded, inspired by God, and is the truth, isn't it more likely that in each of these there is a logical explanation you haven't yet thought of, rather your assumptions being true?

Hi Paul.

In James 2:14-16. we have the context and resolve

"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

( If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?")

You see a similar verse here in

1 John 3:17. "But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, HOW DWELLETH THE LOVE OF GOD IN HIM?"

The love of God IN YOU CAUSES YOU TO RESPOND WITH WORKS, It's a fruit of the spirit. you're "persuaded" From within.

You're not acting out faith or manifestating faith.

You're persuaded!!

If you don't respond "putting in the work" You are not persuaded!

Philippians 2:13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

These scriptures don't contradict. Faith is dead without works and works is dead without Faith. God is not in you until he saves you and if you are not saved no matter what you do you can't please him. It is Christ faith in you that causes you to work!! This is why in James 2:18 he says "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works."

God doesn't accept works from a unclean person "the unsaved" in a attempt to make himself righteous.

Men righteousness is as filthy rags. If you are saved by faith you will work, If you won't work, your faith is vain.

God bless.

Hello Natasha. The verse is from Song of Solomon 2:2, "As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters." This is, I believe, Solomon's bride speaking, as the following verses suggest (others, refer it to it as Solomon's words).

So, the Shulamite bride, in this verse, sees herself as a lily peering through the surrounding thorny bushes, and she compares that to the intense love she has for Solomon, far exceeding the love from the maidens. Now why this verse was inscribed onto a headstone, I cannot be sure. The only thought that comes to mind, is the wife's/husband's (or, family's) strong sentiments of endless love for their dear departed. The other option would be, that the character of the departed one was truly extraordinary & exemplary, far above others they have known. But I would prefer the first option.

And as a side-note: many of the passages in the Songs, give us a picture of Christ Jesus & His Love for His Church.

Dear GiGi,

Amen!

Thank you for praying for me. I needed this so much. That is exactly the prayer that is best for me. I will be praying for you tonight too.

Hi Larry. You can find the references to the kings of Israel (as opposed to the kings of Judah) in the following Bible references: 1 Kings chapter 12 to 1 Kings chapter 22 and 2 Kings chapter 8 to 2 Kings chapter 15.

And you'd be looking for the following names of Israel's kings (from the above references): Jeroboam 1, Nadab, Baasha, Elah, Zimri, Tibni, Omri, Ahab, Ahaziah, Joram, Jehu, Jehoahaz, Jehoash, Jeroboam 2, Zechariah, Shallum, Menahem, Pekahiah, Pekah, Hoshea. After this last king, Israel goes into Assyrian captivity.

Giannis,

I am out of town for the weekend, so I will read through this when I get home. And please know that you cannot offend me.

Am going to have to make this short, much can be said on this subject, been a long day.

We are saved by Grace alone, through faith, but what is faith without works? It's dead, it is dead faith.

Our works is the only thing we take with us, they make up our Fine Linens, Our robes, It's one of the finest rewards ,, least ye walk naked in shame, throughout the millennium.

Revelation 19:8

Revelation 7:13

Revelation 7:14

Sorry I would like to do this more Justice, but we earn our fine linens, and robes through our works.

"Christ will come like a thief in the night" and take it, if we are not ready and watching 1 Thessalonians 5:2 ---- 2 Peter 3:10...

Read Matthew 24 starting at about v42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

If you're not ready, and are caught backsliding, all your works can be stolen from you, like a thief in the night. Be ready always, be watching always.

But the Bible speaks of things to be revealed beyond what's written,

...for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. ( Revelation 19:7)

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. ( John 16:13)

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. ( 1 Corinthians 2:10)

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, ( 1 Cor. 14:39)

And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: ( Acts 2:18)

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: ( Acts 2:17)

Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. ( Amos 3:7)

Jesus said many will come in his name in Matthew 24 that's not just a few , so who are all these fake Christians?

Those taken are destroyed, those left behind inherit the land I believe. The meek shall inherit the earth Jesus said . The Godly are left behind . The ungodly are gathered up and burned .

Hello Paul. Just to your point referenced by Ezekiel 37:16-19. If I may suggest, as a Truth seeker myself, that the two sticks mentioned by Ezekiel don't correlate to the joining of the Bible (Stick of Judah) to the Book of Mormon (Stick of Ephraim), rather to the people/nations themselves.

This whole chapter is about people, not books: Ezekiel 37:11, "these bones are the whole house of Israel". The 2 sticks becoming one stick in Ezekiel's hand represent Judah and Israel being united in the end days. One might then say, that Israel is already a nation today without a clear demarcation of Judah & Israel as a people or land boundaries, but I believe the intent of this prophecy from Ezekiel is that Israel will truly be one nation again with one King Who will rule over them; and this will be their Messiah Whom they once rejected & killed.

Ezekiel 37:21, 22. "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all."

I would also ask you Paul, though leaving aside the many discrepancies you've noticed in the Bible & my responding to them, have you read or studied more about Mormonism, Joseph Smith, Hyrum Smith, Brigham Young, etc? Even such a writing suggesting that the Sun, Moon & Stars being inhabited, should cause one to withdraw swiftly. Just sharing a sample of those writings that you may not be aware of & to encourage you to search more deeply about this book & the people behind it & the other writings.

Matthew 24 what does it mean when two men are working in the field when was left in the other one was taken with that really mean does it mean that one will be called caught with the Lord because he is obedient and the other one left because he is disobedient

Thank You May.

I pray that you will be placed in the job that fits well for the work that God would have you complete in this time of your life. I pray that you will excel in your new job and that your daily needs will be met by the Lord for you and your family. Amen.

Hi Adam

You asked,

Why can't both verses be true?

I do believe both verses are true.

I appreciate very much your input.

I am struggling to understand,

Are you saying we are saved by both works and grace?

I did say I do believe we are saved by both.

But as far as Bible contradictions, they do exist.

And to say Paul and James contradict would not be an issue.

The Bible contradicts itself quite often.

It is not uncommon.

Nevertheless, it does not shake my faith in the Bible.

For example,

Matthew records Christ came through David's son Solomon ( Matthew 1:6)

But Luke records Christ came through David's son Nathan ( Luke 3:31)

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.

And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. ( 2 Samuel 24:1)

And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. ( 1 Chronicles 21:1)

Who provoked David, God or Satan?

Is Judah or Dan are a lion's whelp?

And of Dan he said, Dan is a lion's whelp: he shall leap from Bashan. ( Deuteronomy 33:22)

Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? ( Genesis 49:9)

And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. ( Exodus 32:14)

And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent. ( 1 Samuel 15:9)

If you seek the Truth you need look no further than the Bible .

Paul. Sir all and I emphasize all accurate knowledge of the true God and

Jesus Christ and Salvation and creation is in the bible there is nothing to add to

Or take from it alone is the source of all that is needed , 2 Peter 1:1-10 it is the

Knowledge of God. P.S. Mormons believe their bloodline is pure impossible

All became sinful in Genesis after the downfall. Also supposedly an angel

Showed a man books of Mormon the problem with that Galatians 1:6-12.

Food for thought.

Dear Giannis

Thank you for your insight.

Growing up my dad (God rest his soul) used that Scripture a lot to stop my belief in Mormonism.

Galatians is used to say, Joseph Smith, received another gospel from an angel.

And I believe that Scripture is true.

But after much, painstaking, countless discussions and endless readings of the Bible, I came to the conclusion to say to my dad,

But the Book of Mormon/Mormonism isn't another gospel; otherwise, I wouldn't believe it.

No doctrine in the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible.

I can say that with complete confidence in my faith in Jesus Christ.

The Book of Mormon has enhanced my belief in the Bible.

Nevertheless, I put the Bible before the Book of Mormon because the Bible contains the Blood of Christ.

And if something is taught that is not in the Bible, I will dismiss it.

Hi Paul,

I agree that some perceive these as conflicting verses, but just because some assume something is contradictory does not make it so.

Why can't both verses be true?

Ephesians 2:8-9 is true that we are saved by grace alone through faith and James 2:17 is also true that faith without works is dead. Why exactly can't these both be true? The entire chapter of James 2 already explains this. For instance James 2:18 "...shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." Isn't it possible that faith and belief is like an overall umbrella and the fruit are good deeds and works that can flow through as a result of genuine faith? And if no works, then it would be like the parable of the sower in Luke 8. The scriptures do not contradict each other.

Romans 2 also explains this. Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

People seem to like to cherry pick and pluck out only Ephesians 2:8-9 and ignore James 2:17. Or, some may pluck out only James 2:17 and ignore Ephesians 2:8-9. But the reality is it is both. Both are God's word and both are true. All of the scriptures must be taken cohesively in context.

I believe this can happen with other topics too. For instance, yes, someone can just read John 3:16, and conclude that only "believing" is all someone needs. While true, it's assumed it's genuine belief is active and would also include Acts 2:38, which introduces more actions such as repenting, and being baptized. These are not contradictions as some may assume. They instead compliment each other and are both true. People can get a simple understanding with light reading of broad statements and a deeper understanding by deeper study. I think this is by design. Some believe the Bible is a living Word of God and that the more we read that God can supernaturally reveal more and more insights that we didn't notice the first time.

name of aall the kings in Israel

Your comment is much appreciated! I thank you.

Dear Paul, all those books were eventually joined together (probably the most important parts of them) and became what is now known as the Old Testament.

Since God's providecse didn't allow for any other writtings, like the epistle to the church of Laodicea, to remain till nowadays, that means that they had nothing more to offer to the church. Anything that is necessary for our salvation is written in the Old and New Testaments. Many have claimed that God sent them to bring new teachings in the world but please read what apostle Paul says to Galatians 1:6-9

"6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let

him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be

accursed."

GBU

Henry

Do you believe what the Bible says about there being lost/missing Scripture?

The book of Nathan the prophet, the book of Gad the seer. ( 1 Chronicles 29:29)

The epistle from Laodicea ( Colossians 4:16)

And of the things which Jesus did, John said if they should be written every one, I suppose even the world could not contain the books that should be written. ( John 21:25)

Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the LORD, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon, ( Numbers 21:14)

And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. ( Joshua 10:13)

And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon? ( 1 Kings 11:41)

Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat? ( 2 Chronicles 9:29)

Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually. ( 2 Chronicles 12:15)

If there is lost/missing Scripture, than there must be more knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ on this planet.

I believe the Bible and the Book of Mormon because the doctrines therein are the same, nothing waving.

Otherwise, I would not believe the Book of Mormon.

The Bible is my main source for truth.

I there are other writings claiming to be of the God of Israel, I will certainly take that into consideration and compare the doctrines to what the Bible says and if there is a contradiction, I will know the doctrines are not of the God of Israel.

I can find no contradictions.

Luke. Scripturally I don't where Melchesdik was Jesus Christ Jesus had a mother

Mary and Father God.