Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 556

Yes, Chris, we need to a degree, to make allowances for error, as we each have our own misconceptions and erroneous ideas on matters of faith and doctrine. We should definitely pray for others, as the Spirit leads us to do so. I know as one who came from a denomination that did teach many errors, that God can reach us in these circumstances. He put in me a desire to know only what is true of Him and matters of faith from a young age. I remember praying for Him to show me what is true and what is false in the denomination of my upbringing when I was 9 years old. I began to read the Word because I knew it was Truth. I was so set on gaining truthful knowledge that I stopped reading fiction from the library and began reading non-fiction. I read encyclopedias, the dictionary, science books, biographies, etc. I was thirsty for right knowledge. God honored that and began to show me where the teachings of the denomination I was being raised in differed from what the Scriptures taught. So, thus began my gradual move away from the errors of this denomination into the truth of the Word. I doubt that is a normal experience for most children, but it is my biography.

God led me in this way. He will lead others into what is true and away from what is false when He teaches them from His Word or from the knowledge He has shown others who then share it out. I trust that God will bring people to Truth if they really desire to know only what is true of Him and the faith of Jesus. It is part of our sanctification process. Jesus promised that the Spirit will lead us in all Truth. I believe that wholly.

So, we share what we learn with others. This site is a good place to do so. I have learned much from others here in the short time I have been participating. We interact on here with love and compassion and being sensitive to those who are, as you say, babes in Christ, or who have been brought up in a situation where there was much error taught. We pray for all of us to be teachable.

Thank you GiGi for sharing these further thoughts on this important subject & for the research you've also done. I never would have imagined that there were so many 'isms' defining the various beliefs on this matter, & most probably, on other biblical subjects. How do these beliefs even develop when we all read from the same Bible?

So, I heartily agree with all you've written and yet sensing that there should be some latitude given for those who have not fully grasped this Truth, or babes in Christ, or even been subject to wrong teaching that has been forcefully placed in their hearts giving no opportunity to question what is taught (sects, cults). I feel that the Lord understands these obstacles, and after all, it is only a looking at & believing in the crucified One that secures God's Approval & Acceptance of the penitent sinner. But, having been broken, then made spiritually alive & longing for & loving the Lord Jesus, one would assume that this relationship based on love would cause the believer to want to know much more about Him; at least from all the Scriptures that reveal Him. Even a healthy loving marriage reflects such a desire - one of earnestly wanting to know everything about the life, interests, & hopes of their spouses, which can only enrichen that special relationship.

And so, as you've shared, it is our united hope that all of us together on this Site, might lovingly share from the Word, & from our knowledge or experience, that would help another believer "grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." I know that I've learnt much from others, seeing other points of view, and also from a concentrated study of the Scriptures, which I might not ordinarily have done, so as to be able to respond to enquirers. May you be encouraged dear sister in all that the Lord places on your heart to share with us.

Isaiah 11 actually states that the lion lays down with the calf; and the wolf with the lamb. I suppose they all will be at peace; but for some reason this verse always gets misworded and apparently in song as well. There will undoubtably be peace throughout the earth in the Millennial period; but these verses are also case specific for His holy mountain.

Apparently; that means no ransom monies to be paid. This would be neither acceptable from the perpetrator himself; or for someone else to satisfy judgment.

As to your comment; scripturally it is interesting to look at David. Or alternatively; the woman caught in adultery in the N.T. God chose mercy over judgment; however it would have been perfectly just in either case for the death penalty to ensue. In the first case; David surreptitiously had Uriah the Hittite killed by deliberately placing him at the front of the battlefield; in order to cover up his adultery with Bathsheba. If he had two or more witnesses for the adultery; and if those who had planned Uriah's demise had been more discerning; they may have seen what was going down; albeit an indirect killing by putting him at risk. Probably the first case with a Hittite wife would not have been pursued by anyone as the Hittites were to remain apart from the congregation because of laws in the O.T. as to those up to the 10th generation of certain peoples based on what they had done. Uriah's own actions of self sacrifice; and not returning home to his wife showed he was indeed a man of valor-hence when the Prophet spoke to David about the situation of taking a man's only possession it was used to indite David who was repentant. There were still repercussions; with the death of the resulting child.

The case of the woman caught in adultery was similar; it was a stoning to death offense; but since the man was not present it couldn't really satisfactorily be prosecuted.

True justice demands the proper penalty; if indeed a murder was not for self defense or accidental but intentional. However; even the likes of Jeffery Dahmer show some hope; as it appeared he repented. Evidence for that is a willingness to suffer death; as he apparently wished knowing what he was capable of. Nonetheless; we should certainly offer the Gospel and not gloat as you say over the death of anyone see Ezekiel 33:11

Awesome, I'm glad you're still popping up. Always a pleasure and blessings to you also!

Dgjot. Since God is the author of life it doesn't honor him when someone

Sins worthy of death. So we should not take pleasure in loss of life.

Luke. Not at all two were still led with him and one ask for forgiveness

And in the other gospel both cursed him that makes four. Peace to you.

Luke. Not at all two were still led with him and one one said ask for forgiveness

And in the other gospel both cursed him that makes four. Peace to you.

Luke That's true their were two dual lesti And duel or two kakourgi so again

The two are not identical is the point also two of them both reviled or cursed

Him and of the other two one did not. Peace to you all four are evil doers that

Doesn't mean the same type of criminal. Again peace to you.

Hi Jesse.

I've been mostly following a few posts and popping up here and there.

God bless you.

Numbers 35:31 Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

What does this mean? That we shouldn't feel sorry for them, or smug that they are being put to death???

John 17 and Predestination/Election

An interesting note in this chapter is in verse 14; where it is said that the world hated the Disciples. This is a departure from John 7:7 where He told them the opposite. Clearly; there was a change with understanding to the Apostles and whoever else stuck with Him; as they saw increasing resistance once miracles occurred and particularly when Christ got to the last weeks and months of His ministry when He was in a more public venue.

Verse 2 shows once again that saving faith or eternal life is given to all those given to Him (election); and verse 6 shows what we might call "perseverance of the saints". Verse 8 shows the RESULT of this that they have indeed "believed and received" them. The prayer in verse 9 further shows that the focus is not on the whole world but to believers.

Verse 15 and 16 asks His children to be kept from evil (or the evil one). The following verses (v. 17-20) basically talk about "sanctification"; with glorification in 21-24. The theme of unity also is evident; and once again verse 25 shows how the world doesn't know the Father but those to whom He has been sent know Him. Hence; our realization of truths comes from God initiating understanding. The chapter then discusses love between the Father and Christ and in His people.

We should always remember that there is a relationship; an intimate knowledge in the inner man between the Lord and individual believers. Especially in the light of our High Priest who suffered all things as we did but without sin ( Heb. 4:15). This is essentially a restoration of broken fellowship after Adam sinned; but also will lead to a superior state once we are in His presence than to where Adam was before he sinned. We will have an imperishable body; incorruptible; and without sin or the capacity to do so.

Hey David, Peace to you brother

Malefactor simply means "a criminal" which that's what a thief is.

If you do an interlinear study on the verse thru Bible Hub it may change your perspective a bit.

The word is kakourgos, a technical word implying criminality.

the Definition: a criminal, the Usage: (lit: an evil-worker), a criminal; Peace

Dear Saly, I will pray for you today.

Dear Heavenly Father, today we pray for Felix. Please bring him to repentance and faith soon. He needs you more than he can ever know. Deliver Felix from alcohol abuse. Take away the desire and addition to drink alcohol. Put a deep love within Felix for Sally so that he will love her in a godly way, forsaking rudeness and mistreatment of her. Along with all of these requests for Your work in Felix, we ask that You bring a mighty renewal in their marriage. Restore to both Sally and Felix a deep love for one another and an openness to work on being changed by Your Holy Spirit, weeding out what is sinful and creating in both Sally and Felix godliness and healthy interactions with one another. Bless them today, Father, in the name of Your Son, Jesus. Amen.

Thanks brother Spencer,

Good to see you back on here. I have not seen you for awhile. Hope all is well with you!

Amen Brother Jesse.

Great lesson.

Thanks and God bless.

Yes, was Jesus crying out; Psalms 22:1, "My GOD my GOD, why hath thou foresaken me"._..._, repeating the words of David, who was also prophecying of Jesus in that very moment? I agree with Luke. Psalms 22:1,7,8,13,14,15,16,17,18,22,23,24,25,27,30,31

GiGi,

Amen and blessed indeed!

Blessed, from the word MAKARIOS which means to experience the fulness of something or someone. We are blessed/Makarios because we have the creator of the entire universe living inside us and we get to experience Him in His fullness!

The lion lays down with the lamb an there is peace

Adam. I believe the question is answered if you believe he was 100% God

And100% man.

Ok i get it now. I just could not beleive he was actually talking about eating his body and drinking his blood, then there would not be enough him to go around back in that time. Ok i completely under stand now. Thanks for clearing that up.

The number crucified with Jesus Christ. I was taught and tradition holds

That their were two crucified with Jesus,yet when you read all the gospels

Concerning that event it isn't the case. In Mathew 27: 32 after the led him

Out and parted his garments parted his garments and set down the then were

Two thrives crucified with him and both the thieves verse 44 cast the same

At his teeth. Now Mark states in 15:27 basically says what Mathew says

Then Luke 23: 26 they lay !hold of Simon to carry his wooden cross then verse

32 there were two malefactors led with him to be put to death. In Mathew you

Had two thieves already there and in Luke you have two malefactors led with

Him also in Mathew both men reviled Jesus but in Luke 23:39-43 one said

Remember me when you get to your kingdom. Now someone will say a thief

Is a malefactors and that's true but not all malefactors are thieves and when you

Look up in Greek malefactors and thieves are not the same word so when working

All four gospels there were four crucified with him.

Thank you. Jesse, for such a good explanation of this topic.

I do think that Jesus was speaking of spiritual nourishment in this text. And, yes, it is the Spirit that gives life, not the flesh. So eternal life cannot be attained from man to God, rather from God to man in the person of Jesus Christ. Even our physical body is not alive without being given life by the Spirit to be conceived and grow to maturity, but this physical life ends. But eternal life IS communion with God, which is attained through our Savior, Jesus Christ by faith from the working of regeneration by the Holy Spirit. And then, forevermore, the Spirit of God will indwell us and sustain us. And we are communion with God the Father, through the Son, Jesus, will be eternally unbroken. How blessed we are in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Yes! it is

Mishael,

So true about getting to know the Spirit of God who always points us to Jesus. And so true about the Spirit leading us into the "desert" at times to learn of Him and be sustained by His Word without outside influence and to be tested to strengthen our faith by giving God all of our weakness in exchange for a stronger faith through an over-flowing filling of the Holy Spirit "and power.

We can get so busy in "doing" for Christ (church work, everyday ministry to our families and friend) that we become weak and exhausted, so the Spirit leads us into the desert. Sometimes we are walking a road of compromise and He leads us into the desert to become whole and sound again. Other times He leads us into the desert to be radically changed by His overwhelming Presence and Holiness. But in every desert experienced there is sanctification and intimacy and victory that cannot be taken hold of any other way.

God bless you today, Mishael. Thank you for your inspiration in your post. I am always blessed by what you say.

Hi JLind007,

There's nothing more devastating. As a young child, I witnessed its effects in my mother of the sudden death of my only sibling. A committed conservative Christian, mom learned to lean strongly on God, although she never really recovered. After many years, I'm still healing from it, as was mom. Don't think she could've continued without her faith. I feel that your'e ok, but nevertheless, this stirs up emotions allowing me to recognize and feel the emotions that accompany what you've gone through and still may be dealing with. Therefore, I must say with much emotion, "I'm sorry".

Continued blessings. Stay strong in Christ. Nothing will prevail against the peace God wills for you!

There is a silence in which the world cannot intrude

An ancient peace you carry in your heart and have not lost

A sense of holiness in you the thought of sin has never touched

So be it with your son.

JL ..When Jesus said you must eat my flesh and drink my blood....Many walked away saying this is a hard saying who can HEAR IT ....Jesus was the living Word made flesh and blood....Thus the only way we can ingest his flesh and blood is by Hearing his voice the living Words of God....Its actually Communion in the Spirit as his bread, his Words are spirit and life...Even in the natual bread is life.....But there is another facet to his Communion....there is a spritualy pregnancy involved in this Communion ....As his words have the ability to form a Baby Christ in us....Resulting in a heavenly birth.....Even in the natural Communion is an intimacy as his words are spirit and life....Thats how he knows us by sowing his seed in our hearts ...Which is gonna result in a Child..The H.G. That Child of Promise..The multiplication of very God...To whom the word came ( his seeds ) it made them Gods...Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen...Which is the H.G. the Children of PROMISE

.....Behold i stand at the door and knock if any man hears MY WORDS ( The bread of life the Seeds of the sower ) and opens the door i will come in and SUP ( Communion ) with him....There is a second facet to Communion and its Child birth....That GOOD SEED IS the bread of God but it also has the potential to form a baby Christ in us.....His good seed has the ability to form FAITH in us...And Faith is a spritual pregnancy.....That results in a birth of Christ in us....We are bornagain by his good seeds that is also the bread of LIFE.....Our communion is with the brdegroom Christ Jesus....Thus the woman with Child which is the H.G. which is the result of his seed COMMUNION....Remember in the O.T. the Manna was like Coriander Seed ....Jesus said your fathers in the wilderness ate manna that bread from heaven....But they all died this is that bread from heaven that if a man eats he will neva die..My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you..

Chris,

Pt. 2

The mystery of Jesus Christ is one that we will not fully understand and has been attempted to be explained over the centuries again and again. It is good to review the outcomes of these attempts in our history to be equipped to explain this mystery of Who Jesus Christ truly is in this generation. It is not a small or insignificant matter concerning the nature and Person of Jesus Christ because each error has repercussions on the believer and implications concerning the accuracy and effectiveness of Jesus' death and resurrection for the salvation of mankind.

Many people are fine to live their life in Christ without really delving into this topic. But some of us have been led to look into this area of Christology in a deeper way and we should share what we have learned with others and to defend the faith once and for all passed down to us from the apostles. Which we humbly do here on this site. in doing so, we, ourselves will learn from one another which will lead us to a truer view of our Lord and Sviour and deepen our relationship with Him, which is our true aim.

I suggest to anyone reading this post that they can go to a site like "Got Questions" or "Compelling Truth" and type in any of the terms I have mentioned here to find a much better explanation of these heresies as well as the nature and Person of Jesus Christ (Christology). I suggest, if one does wish to do such research, record your findings in a notebook so you can go back a review it against Scripture as you read the Word and to have information to give people who may be seeking to know Jesus more accurately.

Certainly, Chris, you, I and others do not engage in these discussion for the sake of argument or one-upmanship, nor for the love of debate or a sense of superiority. Rather, we wish to maintain in the Body of Christ true teaching and integrity of our faith.

All of this is done in the name and for the sake and honor of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

(Part 3)

Jesus gives the explanation in Verse 63. You see, had they stuck around and asked Jesus about it, they would have understood. But I think it is interesting how Jesus will put parables out there and nobody would understand what it is. And if you want to understand what it is, He explained it to the disciples who came to Him, not the people who listened to Him and went, "Well I don't know what He is talking about," and then they leave. It was the people who want to find out what it means.

Interesting! He could have just said this to all the multitudes before they left. "Hey, let me explain to you because we don't want to lose you. You are already in our church directory and we don't want to lose you!"

But Jesus says in John 6:63, It is the spirit that quickeneth; and the word quickeneth means make alive. It is the spirit that makes alive, the flesh profits nothing:

Did you hear that? There is no spiritual benefit in the flesh. None! The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. They are not physical. It is spirit. It is not physical life. It is spiritual life. So, He says everything that I just told you about my flesh, and my blood, take that and change it into spiritual metaphors and you'll have what it means.

Sorry for being lengthy, but I hope this helps to give you a better understanding of what it means to eat His flesh and drink His blood!

(Part 2)

Yes, there had to be blood on the door posts. But one of the requirements was that the lamb from whom the blood came, you had to eat that lamb, and eat every bit of it that night, nothing left over. You had to actually participate with the lamb whose blood is on your door post.

That's all a picture from God of symbolism, or metaphorical use if you will, about the salvation message. It is not just about believing that Jesus died for you, and shed His blood for you, but you must take Him in, spiritually. You must feed on Christ spiritually. He is the bread of life!

It is not to be taken literally as drinking His blood and eating His flesh. If we have Christ in us, we will never hunger and we will never thirst because we are fellowshipping with and feeding on the bread of life constantly. So Jesus is presenting Himself as that Lamb, Jewish symbolism!

So Jesus says no more physical miracles of feeding you with physical food. Now it's all spiritual. Now you must be satisfied with me. I am the bread of life, not the physical bread, but the spiritual bread. And from now on you must feed on me. And if you feed on me, you will live.

But they obviously still did not understand it because look at what it says in Verse 60, "Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?" Notice who is saying it? His disciples! Not of the 12, but He has got many disciples now. But many of those who proclaim to be disciples of Jesus Christ, when they heard it, they said this is just too hard! What is He implying here? I don't even want to get into it. I am out of here!

I will finish this out with one more short post, I promise!!!