Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 582

Hi Mark.

Part 1.

I Agree with Brother Chris "God knowing beforehand the choices that we make & the way our lives will unfold" and the Gospel goes out to all, the invitation is for all, but not all will respond!!

1 John 2:2. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Matthew 7:13-14. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, AND FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT.

Galatians 3:22. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given TO THEM THAT BELIEVE.

Ephesians 1:12-13. That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER THAT YE BELIEVED, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

So let's make it clear

Romans 10:8-15 is what's relevant.

But look at verse 16. "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Here's my thought on this that I'm sure can be improved on.

Romans 9:11. (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, THAT THE PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) Here we have God's way that He Elected..

Next we have "WHEN" God's way was Elected.

Ephesians 1:4. According as he hath chosen us ( IN ) him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION of THE WORLD...

You may find it easier to understand if we look at it as the church or the body of Christ instead of Individuals.

See part 2.

Dear Brenda, a lot can be said. You can take into account the following verse.

1 John 1:7

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, WE HAVE FELLOWSHIP ONE WITH ANOTHER , and (then) the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

GBU

Dear Dave

Predestination in the sense that God knows who is going to accept Jesus' sacrifice and be saved and predestined them for eternal life, then yes this is right. But predestination in the sense that God planned beforehand whom He is going to save and act accordingly, then no this is wrong. If the latter was true then God wouldn't be righteous. Love, Truth and Righteousness is God's nature. God will not condemn people for what they would or wouldn't have done bur for what they do or don't. The verse you state from John means that nobody can take us from God, as long as we stay on the right path. Interpretation of verses must always be done in accordance to all other verses that are related to the same topic.

Predestination, like .secured salvation no matter what, in my opinion are wrong beliefs.

GBU

Yes Brother Jesse, Very interesting!!

Another great example of what the original language can uncover! But even in the English text when taking the whole body of scripture you have to work extra hard and ignore a ton of scripture to deny the deity of Christ.

Thanks and God bless.

Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

If God doesn't want us MIXING cattle with a diverse kind, or a sow a field with MIXED SEED, it seems to me he wouldn't want Jews and Gentiles mixing or people of different races mixing. (mixed-race-marriages, mixed-race-offspring)

John 10:30 (Jesus speaking) "I and my Father are one."

If God said "Thou shalt not", Jesus wouldn't contradict Him. No where did Jesus say mixed-race (fooling around) was okay.

1 Kings Chapter 11:

1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;

2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

.....and as a result, Solomon's wives brought their idols into his house.

Mishael , u break my heart bro , I know your faith is strong , don't b scared , you know where u r going , sooner or later but hopefully later . My heart is with u .

Does Jesus ever tell lie ? No , he definately does not ever lie . John Ch 10 V 36 . John Ch 10 V 30 , John Ch 14 V 20 . John Ch 14 V 6-10 . Honestly , it seems very clear to me .

You make me upset for you I just come on here but been reading for ages and you are my favourite please get well and trust in God .

You are probably aware of the verse about us being as the "angels of heaven" ( Mark 12:25). This of course refers to the Resurrection body. There is the question of those who may be pregnant at the time of the rapture. We are all "changed" so there is no real way of knowing whether a pregnancy would continue within the womb or somehow outside of it; in either case it seems scriptural that at least children of believers would go with them to heaven although it can't be proven. That also would have the infant changed into an immortal body if he or she ends up in heaven. It does seem certain from David's comment on the child he lost after sinning with Bathsheeba along with other scriptures that the souls of all unborn will end up in heaven and someday be Resurrected. People want to say all kids will be raptured; I can't see that proven scripturally; just that the souls of all unborn kids will make it to heaven if they die before a certain age.

Anyway; of course there will be the few that survive through the Tribulation who have kids; many of whom will live until the end of the Millennium; hence being those who ARE in the Book of Life at the Great White Throne Judgment IF they are not killed due to some sort of sin beforehand ( Isaiah 65:20). After the Millenium; it would appear that all mortals also enter immortality; once the new heaven and new earth are created.

These issues shouldn't of course be a distraction to plans now; having children and getting married. It is good; however to put our mind on things above ( Colossians 3:1-10). God can give us contentedness now; and surely we will rejoice in heaven and not miss our earthly existence. There is always a tendency to concern ourselves with all the things of this world; rather than casting our cares on Him; especially today. Of course it is always best to have a healthy church community which seems to be found more often in the Reformed churches. May He give you wisdom in these trying times.

Thanks. I am going to study John; then be out of town at the end of next week for4 or 5 days. I have had time to put a lot of material on this site; which will be somewhat reduced this fall Lord willing when I am scheduled to go back to my part time job.

There are things in my own life that need work; as we all do. As you stated; most people are aware of the 2 points of view. I can't see any other view than God's predetermined plan in John. Since John is the first gospel and often the main thing new believers re expected to read; I thought it was particularly relevant. Also; there is a focus on much of what Jesus Himself said; which certainly reflects later in the epistles of Paul; as well as even the book of Revelation.

The best we can do is trust God; read all things with integrity (i.e. in regard to verses mentioning the "whole world" and man's responsibility) and focus on what we do know. That requires us to test ourselves to see if we are in the faith. ( 2 Cor. 13:5-6).

It also involves our resolution and desire to heed His voice; at least in determining our spiritual maturity; and hence REWARDS we recieve or are withheld from because of the quality of our service. A primary issue is whether God can break trough beyond what all humans can perceive; that is the invisible creation and Godhead as Romans 1 indicates. There are muddy issues involved; for instance if God hears prayers of the wicked (Job would seem to deny it but we must keep in mind not all the advice given to him was appropriate). There are other prayers of the wicked at their death calling to God which scripture indicates at some point He will ignore. ( Jeremiah 11:14 for one).

Nonetheless; IF a person genuinely asks God to show them the truth; and they are willing to find out no matter how bad; I have to believe He will reveal sin righteousness and judgment to come ( John 16:8). God's Holiness must be revealed as beyond any so called virtue of human love to be saved as i see it.

In the old testament I see "Son" of man, and "son" of man. Particularly in the book of Ezekiel. Often together in the same verse. What does it mean, or to whom is God speaking?

(Part 3)

Is Jesus Christ God?

Matthew 1:23 is the fulfillment of Isaiah 7:14 which reads, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, (God with us). How can that be if Jesus is not God? Matthew is presenting to us the fact that the birth of Christ fulfilled prophecy, which is Isaiah 7:14.

A virgin was conceived by the Holy Spirit. That's what Joseph came to understand. And when Joseph made that last final procedure of adopting Jesus by giving Him His name Jesus, Jesus Christ became the legal heir to the throne of David. That's when it became official. So it didn't come from Joseph. Even some Jews were expecting Messiah to come from a virgin. Very interesting!

(Part 2)

Is Jesus Christ God?

In Verse 2, it says Abraham begat Isaac. The word 'begat' means to generate or to produce. Abraham begat Isaac, and Isaac begat Jacob, and that's the cadence that goes through a Jewish genealogy. It's always through the man, not through the woman. So the men don't give birth to other people, they produce. Abraham produced Isaac, Isaac produced Jacob, and so on.

But down in Verse 16, it says, "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called the Christ." Do you see the term "of whom", and "of whom was born?" The Greek text says "Out of whom," and the word whom is feminine, not masculine. So the Jewish person is probably going to say okay, we're going Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, okay we got that, and then you see "of whom" and you would think it was Joseph right?

No, because the Messiah is not from Joseph. The Messiah is from Mary. So that opens up a question for the Jews which requires an explanation, and we have the explanation in Verses 18 through 25 which is the ancestry of the Christ explained. Notice in Verse 18 it says, now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise, or more literally "in this way," because he is explaining that little presentation in Verse 16 "from whom" or "of whom" and it is feminine.

So the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way, and by the way, the word birth in Verse 18 is the same Greek word genesis which means origin. The origin of Jesus Christ was in this way. Matthew is still not calling it a birth. He is calling it an origin.

And then we have Matthew 1:21. This is something that the Jews expected the Messiah to do. They expected Him to be the Savior-Messiah. This is the same thing they expected God to be, the Savior-Messiah. And this is who Jesus was.

(Part 1)

Is Jesus Christ God?

After reading through a post discussing who Jesus is and seeing that some believe He is a created being by God, some believe He is God, and some just say He is God's Son so He cannot be God Himself, I would just like to share my understanding on who Jesus is. First of all, a lot of the discussion has been centered on John Chapter 1 which I agree shows not only the deity of Jesus, but also shows that He is God manifested in the flesh. But what I would like to use instead is Matthew Chapter 1.

Matthew Chapter 1 can be broken into two sections, Verses 1 through 17 prove that Jesus Christ literally and legally fulfills the Abrahamic and Davidic covenant for the Jews. And then the second section, Matthew 1:18-25 gives us the ancestry of the Christ. The entire ancestry table is found in Matthew 1:1-17. The second section gives us the ancestry of the Christ explained. In simpler terms, these two sections would be called "The birth of Christ," and "The birth of Christ explained."

Matthew 1:1 would be the caption or title. It is entitled the ancestry, not the genealogy. The word for genealogy is not used in Verse 1. And there is a reason for that. The word for genealogy in the Greek text is GENEALOGIA. But the word used in Verse 1 is GENESIS, pronounced Gen-ay-sees, with the "G" sound as in Girl. The word "generation" in Verse 1 is the Greek word GENESIS. It is not the word for birth.

Matthew is purposely avoiding the word for birth. What Matthew is saying here is that this is the scroll of the origin of the Christ. Why is this important? Well, what Matthew is presenting here fits perfectly to what John said in John 1:14 that "The word became flesh and dwelt among us." You see, Jesus was not born. He became flesh. He has always been in existence. This is why Matthew avoids using the word for birth. He is presenting to us the origin of the Christ.

When the rapture comes women will no longer give birth because we are now in our immortal body so children will no longer born ?

Jesus said if i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me....Thats y the New Covenant is ALL inclusive.... Isaiah 65 : 1 kjv...Thats y Isaiah is saying I was found of them that sought me not ( thats the world everybody ) I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me....( thats the world everybody )...weather we like it or not, He bought everyone of us with his blood ( that New Covenant ) ....Jesus was the farthest thing from Pauls mind but he saved him anyway...When he was least expecting it.

.....I will know them ALL but Isaiah saw this know them all as a knowledge that is gona cover this earth as the waters cover the seas....Which is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of Christ in every man....Thats y Jeremiah saw everymen with his hands on his loins as woman in travail and birth pains...We are all gonna birth a Baby Christ which is the H.G....The Children of PROMISE...I will know them all from the least to the greatest thus the Children of PROMISE THE H.G....The woman with Child....

Thats y he has to know us weather we like it or not....Simply b/c our old adamic nature is in rank with satan....God cd not care less what satan likes.

Do you believe in Predestination? That "we've already been chosen"? I find it hard to follow this path of thought. I mean what if I'm not? This is from John 10:29 NKJV "My father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of my Father's hand."

However, if you read the KJV you can maybe interpret this differently. "My Father, which gave THEM ME, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

Spirit of Heaviness: A spirit of grief or anxiety, mourning

Excessive mourning, self pity, depression, suicidal, inner hurts, despair, dejection, hopelessness, broken hearted

Loose the Garment of Praise, Oil of Joy

Comfort

( Isaiah 6:13; Isaiah 61:3; Luke 4:18

Psalm 69:20; Nehemiah 2:2; Mark 9)

Eve ate of 1 of the 2 trees they were forbidden to eat. She chose the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Then she gave it to Adam to eat too. Maybe she wanted to be smarter than a talking serpent? Or was she jealous if God walked with Adam sometimes?

They disobeyed God.He had told them they would die. They did die spiritually. They had to leave the garden immediately. It was protected by an angel with a flaming sword. Why? Because if they had eaten of the Tree of Life they would have lived ETERNALLY as sinners.

So read the rest of their judgement: she would suffer in childbearing. Adam would have to toil every day on uncultivated ground, trying to grow their own food.

Also, Adam lost dominion over creation to Satan. Like we see in Job 1, Satan had partial permission to trouble peoples lives. It would continue until the day that Jesus was crucified on the CROSS as a human. He paid for the sins of mankind: Genesis to Revelation.

Evil in these last days of mankind is going to grow greater. Satan knows his time is short; so he will afflict All those who belong to Jesus. (He already has plans for the unsaved to suffer). He hates anybody who loves and believes in Jesus. Procrastination is going to be bad.

I mean, look at the news! Riots to kill babies, riots to get your teenagers sex switched to the other. The government is prostituting our kids futures. College will be ridiculous. Little kids are being sexualized in 1st grade.

We watch news; it's on there every day!

Meanwhile over in Israel the wagons are circling Jerusalem. Soon to be armed with nukes.

China and Russia are converting their currency into Gold only; heavy metals. The war on the American Dollar has started. In the end of days, there will be ONE WORLD money system. We better read those stories quick. Our Govt is saying nothing. We're are 30 trillion Dollars in Debt!

The Green Deal IS THE One World Religion.

TRUST Jesus Today.

Streetpreacher

What do you say to someone that states, They have a relationship with Jesus, they do not need to go to church to worship Him? I hear this a lot when talking to my family. I would like verses to be able to discuss this with them.

Benson Commentary on 1 John 4:1

Because the Gnostics and other heretics, in the first age, to gain the greater credit to their erroneous doctrines, assumed to themselves the character and authority of inspired teachers, John put his disciples in mind,

( 1 John 2:27) that they had an unction from the Holy Spirit, by which they were enabled to judge with certainty, both of teachers and of their doctrine. He therefore, in this chapter, commands them not to believe rashly every teacher who pretended to be inspired, but to try the inspiration by which any preacher professed to speak, whether it was from God or from evil spirits; that after trial they might know whom it was their duty to attend to, and whom they ought to disregard and reject. And to secure them, as far as possible, from being deceived, he especially desires them to consider whether the teacher, who came to them, pretending to inspiration, held the great and fundamental doctrines of the gospel, which all the teachers, really inspired of God, regularly and uniformly maintained. His words may be paraphrased as follows: Believe not every spirit - By which any teacher is, or professes to be, actuated: or, believe not every teacher who pretends to be inspired by the Spirit of God; but try the spirits - Namely, whether they are of God - By the rule which God hath given. We are to try all spirits by the written word: To the law and to the testimony! If any man speak not according to these, the spirit which actuates him is not of God. Because many false prophets Or false teachers; are gone forth into the world - With an intention to draw disciples after them.

[This is really relevant to these days we're living in. I had to run it by a commentary, but it's all good]

I'd like to hear this study and I think others do too. I did a study on why we need to focus on the founding principles of God's Grace and the doctrines thereof which belong not to any religion but are often accepted/rejected because of one of these (in context with your OP): Calvinism vs. Hyper-Calvinism vs. Arminianism. Long story short, these guys are long dead and majority of mainline denominations stand behind one or the other. Basically, we're giving honor to these 2 (Calvin & Arminius) years after death --- they would have loved that their false religions and misinterpretation of scriptures would be talked about hundreds of years after there death.

Some churches provide light weight coverings for your legs, if you ask. Fashions today are kinda short. I'd just keep a shawl in the back seat of the car. Next time you go to church ask in the foyer if they have lap coverings?

People who survive the Tribulation; who have not Received the Mark of the Beast, will be able to have children.

I have to sift scripture over those raptured that receive resurrection bodies.

Some movies show it, but I need some scriptures to back it. I'll get on it :)

Hey , what do u mean u r giving up ? Don't give up on God ! He won't give up on u ! Sometimes u have to wait for the answer . That's why we need patience . Have some patience and live another day and then another . Who knows what good thing might come your way ? Wait for Him .

Someone once told me that anything that is not of Faith, is sin. Boy, did I ever start keeping watch on my words.

It feels grouchy at first, but when you hear words of Faith instead of Fears, it really changes you.

I had laser focus when I'd hear me precede a thought with, (example) "I'm Afraid it's hopeless", or

"It looks broken to me." I would say instead, "I'll get my tools and have a look at it."

That's all that Church grandma had to say to me. That word SIN stung my spirit. I'm grateful.

Mishael

i. Law and testimony each refer to God's word. We might say that law refers to God's holy commands, and testimony refers to His dealings with His people as recorded in His Word. But that may be slicing it too thin, because often similar terms for God's word are repeated, not for the sake of distinction, but for the sake of emphasis.

ii. How it needs to be proclaimed to our preachers today:

Enough with the over-use of anecdotes and jokes. Enough with the emphasis on entertainment and sappy stories. Enough with the catering to itching ears. Enough with the hobbyhorses and pet peeves. To the law and to the testimony.

iii. "Let us remember, as ministers of the Gospel, what M'Cheyne beautifully said; 'Depend upon it,' said he, 'it is God's Word not man's comment upon God's Word, that saves souls;' and I have marked, that if ever we have a conversion at any time, in ninety-nine cases out of a hundred, the conversion is rather traceable to the text, or to some Scripture quoted in the sermon, than to any trite or original saying by the preacher. It is God's Word that breaks the fetters and sets the prisoner free, it is God's Word instrumentally that saves souls, and therefore let us bring everything to the touchstone." (Spurgeon)

c. If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them: If there is a disagreement between God's word and the word of the messenger, it isn't hard to figure out who is wrong. The messenger is wrong. The word judges the messenger; the messenger doesn't judge the word.

d. They will be driven into darkness: When they forsake God's word and trust in mediums and wizards and the dead, they are courting darkness, not light.

Bind up the testimony,Seal the law among my disciples.And I will wait on the LORD,Who hides His face from the house of Jacob;And I will hope in Him.Here am I and the children whom the LORD has given me! We are for signs and wonders in Israel From the LORD of hosts,

Who dwells in MT Zion.

Thank you, Giannis. I have never heard nor read this verse explained so well.

Chris you are wrong there is a lots more to it then just believing or our actions...Chris its the Cross that gives us this New Covenant that is all inclusive, smite the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand to the lil ones...And its these lil ones who are gonna lead us into ALL truth ...The spirit of truth is the H.G. that is gonna be born in everybody....Thats y Jeremiah saw ALL men in travail and birth pains....And its his blood the Cross that initiates our new birth these lil ones that New Covenant...Thats y he is saying Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child...Which is a baby Christ the Children of PROMISE the H.G. The New Covenant in his blood....This is the N.C. IN MY BLOOD DRINK YE ALL OF IT.

....Chris under the old covenant many were called but few were chosen....But under the N.C. Jeremiah 31 :34 ... I WILL KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST....Thats everybody...Simply b/c he paid the price for everybody weather we like it or not....Our old adamic nature wd neva like it,.. thats y he had to die for everybody while they were yet sinners....Thats y he said if i be lifted up ( N.C. BY HIS BLOOD ) I will draw all men unto me....I will know them ALL N.C....Which is gonna result in a baby Christ. fruit unto God....We are ALL gonna be saved according to the CROSS... He paid the price for ever man....But our old evil adamic nature is gona be loss....As our God is a consuming fire...Who shall abide the day of his coming ...who shall stand when he appears....Unless ya receive the KiNGDOM OF GOD as a lil child you wil in no wise enter there in.

.....Mans carnal mind is the very enemy of God....it is not subject to the law of God and neither indeed can be..Thus he had to die for ALL while we were yet sinners....He wants everybody to have the mind of Christ...Thats y he is saying I was found of them that sought me not i was made manifest unto them that ASKED NOT after me...Its Jesus who is gonna draw all men.

Any one born as a man IS A CREATION OF GOD . Does it get any simpler ? Why do you struggle with this ? Jesus the Christ is a Man . And always will be . There is a man at the right hand of God as I Speak yes or no ?

" the same yesterday ( a beginning) today and forever .