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Thanks Mark. I agree with what you've written here: that "each (aspect of the Godhead) is somehow spoken of as separate from God", and this I believe is true because that is how the Word of God reveals the Mind & Acts of God in relation to humanity. Yet, God is One & is indivisible into some sort of 'parts of God' - but that God takes from within His Divinity to reveal to men His Love & longing for all to turn from their wicked ways, unto Him alone. He alone does this for our sakes, and we now can love Him because of that Love displayed through His Son. When we see Jesus, to love Him, learn from Him, & long for Him, we do in very Truth see the Father ( John 14:9).

And John 6:37-39 is God's Promise to us: "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I WILL IN NO WISE CAST OUT. For I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

Good point Chris Adam was certainly a created being and Jesus being the Second Adam most certainly was a created being .

Jesus was made flesh that's a creation by God not Jesus .

The true Jesus was born of Gods Spirit and Mary's flesh . The real created second Adam .

You brought up a good point I just help finished it .

The fly away doctrine is a soul hunt, all who are alive during the tribulation will remain and will go through it.

The 144,000 are redeemed from the earth during the time, meaning they went astray, fell into idol worship by false teaching false doctrine believing Christ comes first (He does not) but after realizing satan is not the Christ the 144,000 turn away from, stand against satan, and are redeemed.

Hi One Eighty. You may care to peruse my comment to Doug (to save repetition). Thank you.

But to certain things you stated. I think you understand the verse "which I had with thee before the world was" to mean that God created Jesus before He created mankind: "Jesus was an extension (creation) of God before man entered the world."

I can't recall any verse to show that God ever created someone called Jesus. Rather, the Bible tells us there is only One God - there is none beside Him. Yet, we find that within the Person of God there lies Entities (also referred to as Persons) called the Word & the Spirit. We don't have trouble defining & understanding the Spirit, but when the Word is brought up, we struggle & have wildly different opinions. Yet, we have clear Truths given to us, as in Revelation 19:13, that when Jesus returns, He is seen as the One "clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." Not only is Jesus seen as the Word of God placed into humanity, but this One Who holds an intrinsic part of God's Person, returns with that same title. Jesus is ever God's Word, but for our sakes, took on humanity for the suffering of death.

So, I don't see anything about a creation of a Jesus - I read that God sent His Word (from within Himself), born into humanity, being called Jesus (Immanuel, 'God with us') & never ceasing to be vitally a part & connected to the Godhead. Jesus is always God's Word, but in the incarnation, God made a material change, taking that spiritual Essence of Himself & clothing Him with flesh (the best I can describe it). You do refer to a Triunity of God, but I would question Jesus being a created Being (Adam was a created being - Jesus was begotten from God), & I agree, Jesus can never be said to be a Creator of God.

We all have 2 bodies, a flesh body, and a spiritual.

The flesh is of clay(figure of speech)God uses nature to teach,, and when it dies, it goes to hell, hell meaning(the grave)it returns to dust, whereas the spiritual body returns to the Father that gave it, which is Heaven because wherever the Father is that is Heaven.

Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

When the clay pot breaks All souls go back to the Father

Ecclesiastes12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Clay is made out of dust

I appreciate your response, Doug. I see that you do believe that the "Word was with God and the Word was God". But is our difference in understanding lie only in "what happened after the Word was (then) made flesh (i.e. His life in humanity)?" I think there is another important matter to look at before that, i.e. before Jesus was given God's Glory on Earth, where was He before His Coming?

So, this Word that was with God and was God ( John 1:1), was not only the Word uttered by God to create all things (v3), but in God's Wisdom & Plan, He gave His Word flesh (v14) - drawn from the Essence of God into humanity, & the disciples saw that this Glory which reflected from Him was that of the Father's only begotten Son (not first created, 'protokitises', but first born, 'prototokos': in relation to the first 'of its type in creation, of divinity & humanity as one'). At a previous time, someone else translated that verse to be, 'that Jesus then became God's Word' (i.e. Jesus came & then the Word placed into Him; rather than 'the Word came & was made human'). Herein is the problem.

Then when we look at John 17:5, we can see in Jesus' Prayer that He recalls to His Father about the Glory that He had with Him. This glory Jesus had to lay aside for the sake of becoming human ( Philippians 2:5-8). And in John 17:1-5, Jesus speaks to His Father about this Glory: that Jesus was in the throes of completing the Work of the Father, of bringing Glory to Him through it (v4), and now longs for God's Glory (which Jesus once had), to be granted back to Him (v5). Now exactly what this Glory entails, we're not told. But it would certainly reflect His Position within God's Person (seen in the verses cited), the task accomplished on Earth, & the Glory, Power & Victory emanating from the coming resurrection.

And the glory we've received: being in Christ as Christ is in God ( Col 3:3) - not gods, but sharing in all the goodness & vitality of the One Who is now our Father & Jesus our Brother.

Read some of Nelson Walters teachings on YouTube.

Type: Nelson Walters 144,000

I like his stuff. I've been waiting for someone to put out videos on the 10 nations. He has. And it includes Turkey which is the one, no one wants to discuss.

When you come into this website you're on the LINK PAGE.

Up at the top is the SEARCH BOX. Links for the entire Bible is below that.

It's a really great SEARCH ENGINE, but just for Bible subject.

You can put the word 'Atonement' in the box and hit the arrow >

The engine will fetch every scripture that contains THAT word. You can sort the list; and the engine places the list in book order.

Or you can read either Old Testament verses only

Or, New Testament verses only

With DATES OR HISTORY, you'll have to go on Google. Type it in like this:

"Atonement, history"

Or Commentaries, or Meaning, or teaching

By using all the search options, you'll learn some really awesome information. If search doesn't fetch anything try wording it differently.

If it fetches 10,000 verses; try wording it another way or just look at only OT or NT verses.

Look around on this whole website to see what's in it. If you get lost, just back out and come back in. Curious is good.

The location of the commentary box is below the search box. Touch a scripture and it will highlight Yellow. Scroll down slowly; the Wesley Commentary will appear.

There are 3 kinds of Biblical love Jesus is defining to Peter in John 21:21-25

Eros refers to physical or sexual love. The word eros was commonly used in the Greek-speaking world of New Testament times. (We might say, sure Jesus you know I love you!)

Philos means warm affection or friendship.

Agap is the sacrificial, unconditional love of God.

Jesus was speaking of deeper truth about Love. And then he shared that some will die for the preaching of the Gospel. Google the deaths of the apostles of Jesus Christ.

The sheep of Jesus's pasture in Psalm 23 are his followers; and all those that have believed Jesus for salvation for the past 2000+ years.

Feed my sheep means, evangelize, preach, teach, pastor, plant new churches. Grow up the Body of Christ into full stature; reproducing the teachings of Jesus.

We should all get into this Bible and grow up on the Word of God ourselves, every day all year long. It takes a deep Commitment to JESUS to give our time to Him.

Jesus said, I will Repay.

We need to be honest about which kind of love, we love Jesus With. Don't fake it. Count the Cost before you say it.

I almost died of wild reckless living. I was tired of it. Death courted me every day. One little 6 yr old kid kept me here. That little pure face of love and light.

Jesus appeared to me, like Paul sort of. I got 10 seconds to see what all of the Love in the World looks like. I've followed Him all these years.

I'm telling you HERE! Not on tv or YouTube or sell a bunch of books. Jesus is alive. He is exactly as described from Genesis to Revelation. He is the Son of God!

Stop waffeling in the middle with this. Get all in. And you're going to have to do as I did. Cram scripture in hand over fist, every single day. It forms your two-edged SWORD. We are here to be equipped. Ask God to direct your path.

Streetpreacher

If you look into the 1611 KJV Bible on this site, right side pages, photo copies of original book, you can, with The HOLY Spirit read, study & compare all scriptures as you read KJV.

I have really liked that option.

Hopefully it's helpful

Ecclesiastes 11:4, in every comparable version linked into bottom page, says very similar.

In the 1611 KJV, Ecclesiasticus 11:4, is where the quote is found.

Hopefully this is helpful

John 21:16,17, Jesus said this directly to one person, Simon, Son of Jonas, called Peter. To understand more deeply, you would have to follow the scriptures that happened prior.

Please read: John 10:1-18, Psalms 100:3,

Luke 12:22-32,

Matthew 26:31-75, Mark 14:27-72, Matthew 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-25, prophecy from Old Testament: Isaiah 53, Zechariah 13:7,

Example of people lovingly referred to as sheep : 2Samuel 24:17, 1Chronicles 21:17, 2Chronicles 18:16, Psalms 74:1, Psalms 78:52, Psalms 79:13, Ezekiel 34:6,

Matthew 9:26, Matthew 18:12,13, Mark 6:24, 1Peter 2:25, compassion,

Deuteronomy 8:3,

John 6:47-69, notice in that moment "Simon Peter"'s reply: John 6:68,

Hopefully these are helpful

Galatians 6:15,

Please see context: Deuteronomy 10:16, Deuteronomy 30:6, even in old testament men have argued their holiness, set apart status, (in the flesh) yet GOD said even then; it's about the heart. Jeremiah 4:4, Jeremiah 9:25, = Romans 2:29, Romans 3:30, Romans 4:11, 1Corinthians 7:18,

Galatians 3:28,

They were still arguing circumcision, not equality in GOD. Acts 11:2, Galatians 2:12,

New= 2Corinthians 5:17,

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Dear One Eighty.

I was trying to find the post you sent to me concerning the passage in Philippians 2. Could you re-ask your question to me and post it so I can respond? Thank you.

I was always taught that we are not robots but that we have free will. That God doesn't just push a button and we respond. Well, in chapter 5 it says that when the Lamb takes the book out of the hand of the Father all heaven AND earth give praise at that time. Well, if one is here upon earth at that time, and not being all robots, what will motivate that response? I believe that the same trumpet sound that John the Revelator heard, and the thunder and lightning that followed when that very scene was revealed to him will be heard and seen by those here on earth at that time. The trumpet sound will bring all safely to a halt and then that scene will be revealed in real time and those on earth will witness Jesus taking the book out of the hand of the Father and opening the first seal and thus motivated to respond with the praise mentioned. Thus, there will be if you will an official beginning of the Tribulation. Those on earth will KNOW it has started.

Notice that what is worshipped in ch. 13 is the image of a seven headed and ten horned beast referenced in verse one. Not a devil incarnated man! It could well be that the last verse of this chapter is saying that the number of the beast is simply a number that was developed by a man. And nowhere in this chapter or in the whole book of the Revelation is the beast referred to, described, or worshipped as an incarnated devil-man. My speculation is that the beast is the devil behind pagan idol republic and the great whore that rides the beast are the banksters that control the republics that control the world.

Who's the healing angel

Hi Joy.

I concur with Richard.

And I would like to add to what he said concerning Ephesus. Paul gave them warning concerning the trouble coming after his departure in Acts 20:29-30.

For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

God bless.

Hi Nancy.

Daniel 12:11 is giving what is to take place the middle of the 70rh week of Daniel known as the Great Tribulation.

Jesus this as well in Mat 24:14-15. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) This is when the antichrist set up a Idol to be worshipped in the temple.

Let us know if this helps

God bless

This is one of my most favorite verses. My faith is strengthened today and then I declared this verse this morning in worship and dancing. Now, just so amazed seeing this as today's verse right in front of my eyes!....

I love you all guys ! God bless us all ! Don't be tired of seeking Jesus everyday...

No worries David. I'm glad you are so sure. I AM a follower of Christ. I have no fear, for the Lord is with me. So who is the mystery Babylon since it's not the U.S.A?

Please explain in simple terms Galatians 6:15

Young Man:

God's word's:

Romans 3:3 For WHAT IF some do not believe? shall there UNBELIEF make the faith of God without effect?

What if, is a QUESTION.

If you study God's Word you will find God asking thousand of QUESTION.

Those scriptures end with a QUESTION MARK.

Go look, God wants you to know the answers to those QUESTIONS.

God Bless YOU.

I need some defences on the Holy Bible is Sctipture

The Bible is not about "what ifs"

Are you already predetermined to go to heaven or hell when you are born?

Thank thank you for responding last 5 years my ex-wife my son's mom she's been in a nursing home she's only 52 she has hunting disease stage 3 it's only been me in Jesus Christ my son well he doesn't go he's 18 in 2 days he doesn't live with me anymore he moved out he's going to finish school with another family that's another story but he's fine he told me what he left he's not a church person that's okay but his mom I'm not allowed to see her anymore because she seems thick she's mad at me so I told him that if he doesn't help out and check on her and everything will never talk and I'll probably never forgive him see I love my son I do those five years well when you have the Lord Jesus Christ I love he gives you something happened but anyways I think you know what I'm trying to say thank you forgive me for all the text thank you

Hi Looking Up,

Are we not taught to go out and share The Gospel? The purpose being the Holy Spirit speaking through us God's Love, and forgiveness leading towards salvation. In this sense we should be considered as playing a part in it.

In Philippians 2:6-8 :"Who, being in the form of God," (Spirit), "and took upon him the form of a servant,", and "being found in fashion as a man,".

Check out Mark 16:10,12,14. , written in the KJV that He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, He appeared in another form unto two of them, and afterward He appeared unto the eleven.

As you, there's much I don't understand either. Yet I'm perceiving by these passages that Jesus appeared as a man; flesh and blood with a body that functions and bleeds as we all do. Jesus' reality is Spirit, one with God because God is Spirit. God is Love . Love creates Itself and nothing but Itself.

Peace my friend.

God Is

It is clear that after these 144,000 are marked; that they are not affected by the remaining seal and trumpet judgments before they are taken up to heaven. ( Rev. 14:1). Since they are standing on Mt. Sion (the spiritual true Mt. Zion in heaven) as opposed to the martyrs under the throne apparently awaiting resurrection bodies ( Rev. 6:9-11) it would appear that they are as the scripture indicates taken to heaven as "redeemed" firstfruits ( Rev. 14:2-4). So therefore; it appears that they are raptured; as firstfruits would include O.T. saints (some of which came out of the grave after the Resurrection of Christ; and the church possibly also including the rest of the godly O.T. saints at different intervals). It would certainly appear with their sealing that it could encompass not dying but I'm not sure that can be proven from that verse. In theory; it is even possible that they could be like the 2 prophets who die and are resurrected about the same time (that could I suppose mean they are all killed at one time and subsequently resurrected rather than raptured). That's the only possibility I see.

It is rather controversial the timing of the O.T. saints (which in the book of Daniel seems to occur around the midpoint of the Trib) and that of the whole true believing church (which occurs in conjunction and immediately preceeding the Rapture as I see it). Again; we do have Enoch and Elijah who were taken out of this world; although it appears Elijah has been preserved and never given a Resurrected Body; and perhaps if Enoch is the second witness according to the Hebrews 9:27 principle he also was preserved; but possibly he was raptured. And the saints coming out of the graves was the beginning of a series of events between the Resurrection (Christ being first of firstfruits) and the rest of the firstfruits such as the 144,000.

That's my best take on it; remember most will die in the Trib; a few will survive physically until and through the 1000 years.

What does feed my sheep mean?