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The attrition rate in Chrisendom is grevious. Partly because of unfaithful translations, and also sharer's lack of anointing. Also mess with our memory verses. We know *GOD* keeps *HIS* WORD. Unfaithful supposed do gooders have lots to answer for. Rev 22:18,19.
Thankfully some better KJV publishers still show the italicised.
Regarding John 17:5 : "Glorify thee with with thine own self" (Self). Creation is an extension of self. In this sense meaning, extend God's whole being (qualities, His Mind) unto Jesus. "which I had with thee before the world was.", meaning Jesus was an extension (creation) of God before man entered the world. Jesus has nothing that does not come from God. The difference between us and Jesus is that He has nothing else. As I've previously stated, God created Jesus (Christ); Jesus did not create God.This is Their only difference. So, is Jesus God? No, in the sense that He didn't create the Creator. Yes, in the sense that He has everything of/from the Creator (Source) and thinks and responds and speaks ONLY what the Voice for God (Holy Spirit) communicates.
How does this fit into the idea of the Trinity? God Is. God is God, in His Kingdom, where nothing but perfect Love exists. No fear/hate (or even thoughts of fear and hate) can enter. His Kingdom is holy where perfect peace dwells. Nothing changes (no duality). Nothing there within or without can affect it. God's omnipotence can't be usurped. The Holy Spirit is simply God's Voice. Jesus is the Christ, APPEARING as man, our mediator. We need this mediator because without Him the distance between God and man would be too great for us to encompass and overcome. This Trinity is One even though they appear to have different functions. They are One BECAUSE They share a common purpose, and what shares a common purpose is the same.
A good way to describe the Trinity is this: The Trinity in It's oneness transcends the sum of it's parts. I perceive the same concerning the Sonship: God has only One Son. If all His creations are His sons, then everyone must be an integral part of the whole Sonship. And the Sonship in its Oneness transcends the sum of it's parts.
And may I be so bold as to say that God would be incomplete without us (His Creations).
Peace to all.
God Is
This is perhaps the hardest to explain; although any one else's interpretation would be helpful. I have understood this to mean an unusually strong unction to believe in answers to prayer and in all circumstances trusting God. It would certainly seem that with any other gift maturity and Godly living as well as trying to heed to God's voice could accomplish growth in faith; at least in general. This probably is better understood with itinerant missionaries with limited communications with the outside world; limited funds; resources and food supply available.
The balance has to be with the fact that some individuals CLEARLY have closer; more intimate communication with God; who blesses them so that "men can praise God for their good works" ( Matthew 5:16) while others have the tenacity to seek after Him through persistent prayer. The problem that can arise in BOTH cases is when we get caught up with ourselves. Should a ministry name itself after someone; or an individual be put on a larger than life status then surely that pride leads us to a fall.
Therefore; as with any giftings we all need each other. It is for edification of the Body; hence one person can clearly see how to pray and what to pray; but another has a much clearer picture of the person being lifted up knowing them personally who can shed further light on a situation. So someone mature in faith must be open to someone else praying who the Spirit moves as well as vice versa.
There is also the case of those who are tares among the wheat. If there are those who expouse false doctrines; or are living a lifestyle of unrepentant sin; we are asked if they claim to be Christins not to even sit and eat with them. ( 1 Cor. 5:11). I would say emphatically that we should NOT ask them to pray for us and if they ask politely decline. The demons that are controlling them no doubt will attempt to influence us to follow the same paths to destruction.
Everything else they were doing doctrinally; discernment wise with false teaching etc was on par yet they still faced having their candlestick removed; and that was back before the end of the first century! (actually it says have their "lampstand" removed).
It is helpful here to see how individuals in the Book of Revelation in chapter 2 and 3 are addressed to along WITH an entire congregation. CLEARLY apostasy; i.e. falling away was characterizing the vast majority of the Sardis church; nonetheless certain individuals were said to be worthy and would walk with Him in white garments. There is a potential at least for the Laodiceans; but clearly we should guard our hearts; and walk away from apostacy if we are in a place where leadership concurs with false teaching and there is not support of others to rebuke those in authority.
1 Timothy chapter 4 talks about the falling away in the last days. Even 1 John 4:12 discusses the fact that there are already many antichrists in that first century church. The OVERALL degrading of churches that for decades or centuries held to doctrinal truths certainly shows us how soon His return must be.
God warns us in Rev. 3:11 indicates that we may lose our crown to someone else if not careful. We need to be around those who are sharpening one another as "iron sharpens iron" ( Prov. 27:17). Surely; the Lord will lead us to good fellowship; if not for any other reason that we are commanded to assemble together even more so as we see the Lord's soon coming ( Heb. 10:25 loosely translated). The remnant will be found; of course it can take some time. The question now is whether we should; as the famous song says; hold out; walk away or run.
Be blessed. Agape.
God s Kingdom lasts forever , and Jesus His Son has been given Rule over it as promised to King David .
It's Gods Kingdom , not Jesus s Kingdom , did he get that ?
......But Jesus answered Martha saying you are troubled with many things but MARY HAS CHOSEN THAT GOOD PART THAT SHALL NOT BE TAKEN AWAY FROM HER....The good part is to sit at his feet and hear his Words of the Kingdom.... Luke 10 :40
.....Jesus said to labor not for the meat that parishes but for that BREAD that endured unto everlasting life that the SON of man shall give unto you.
......Remember God furnished a table in the Wilderness....Take no though for your life what ye shall eat or drink .. Your father knows what you have need of b/f you even ask him...If he feeds the birds he will feed you....Trush in him for your everything.
I loved this site. it is like family and when you do not have one it is a good place to come. I guess I thought this subject could be discussed but seems like I was wrong. I have never denied the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. In my posts I never said the Son of God was created, I said begotten, and we do not know how He was begotten.
Jesus was the beginning of creation Alpha, the beginning He was begotten before anything in the entire creation, nothing was before the Son of God. He was already begotten when God sent and gave Him. He was not begotten in Marys' womb, because everything through Him was created. I feel I listed scripture for everything I said and never was trying to be sneaky or tried to prove anything not true.
I have always treated everyone with love and have always said it is my understanding and have never been dogmatic on any subject. I have never judged and told anyone they were wrong or have I ever belittled anyone. The response I have received is baseless and hurtful.
I am sorry my posts were misunderstood, but as I said they are my understanding and I stand by salvation is only in/through Jesus by the grace of God and through the faith of Jesus is salvation and eternal life and nothing can be placed above that.
Jesus was the beginning of creation and Jesus the Son of God will end this creation in the heavens and the earth when He turns it back to the Father and God makes all new. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending.
God bless you all,
RLW
The original Hebrew reads "Hkthnth phsim" which is translated as "tunic of distinction" and further interpreted (by Jews) as "a coat of [many] colours". The Septuagint (Greek) text says "chitona poikilon" which means "tunic of many [colours]".
Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10 (I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Was in the Spirit of the Lord and writing what he was told. So many have tried but have been wrong.
Interesting question. I clicked on the verse then scrolled down to the Strong's translation info and then viewed other translations on that page and it does appear some interpreted it as a long coat but others many colors. I believe there are some in this forum that speak Hebrew so it would be nice to get their opinion when they read the original Hebrew.
Satan had studied Job making sacrifices for his kids to be sure everything was covered. (The children liked to have parties). So Satan thought that would cripple Jobs faith! He attacked the kids, the houses, animals.
IT WAS SATAN in the wind storm (like a tornado), that wiped out everything Job had and loved. It Wasn't God that did it. He doesn't cause the tragedies that happen in our lives. Satan even sent "concerned friends to drop by and try to tear apart Jobs faith. Terrible things happen. Loss, heartbreak. SATAN is the one that ACCUSES US that our faith is belly up Done. He is the accuser of the brethren. That reality should cause us to do what Job did. In his pain, he sat and waited on God; believed God loved him; God didn't cause this. Dead or alive, he was going to believe in his Lord. Because God is Love. God is good. That's what we all must remember.
This one book tells us what God is like. No matter our losses, fears, and doubts about the future; God will get us through it.
In the New Testament, Jesus teaches that THROUGH HIM AND HIS AUTHORITY over everything: He (deputized) Authorized Believers, to use His Authority just as He used it. He cast out Satan and every demon..causing harm, loss, sickness, to show His disciples how to carry it forward after his departure back to heaven.
We are His Disciples! Every blood bought Christian has been AUTHORIZED to use the NAME OF JESUS. IN JESUS NAME Command cancer to COME OUT, bow it's knee and GO..INTO OUTER DARKNESS! DO NOT RETURN.
DO NOT LISTEN to the lying demons that will say God failed you. Like Job, wait upon God and PRAISE HIM NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
Fight, rest, repeat.
.....But what really does it for me is his ability to propagate his seed his word in the hearts of ppl causing them to birth the H.G. which is God....B/C i have spoken these words ( his seeds sorrows have filled your hearts a spritual pregnancy....that is gonna result in a Baby Christ the H.G.)....That he refers to as the Promise which is the multiplication of GOD in us....Jesus was reproducing very God with his seed when he breathe on them....Thats y he was saying that which is born of the Spirit is spirit which is the H.G. That Child of Promise....Y is the H.G. the child of Promise simply b/c he fulfilles that great Promise of multiplication of God ....When God Swore that Christ wd be multiplied as the Stars of heaven.
......And Jesus said to whom the word came ( his seed, his breath ) it made them Gods....Thus Christ is truly able to reproduce very God with his seed....And God has already told us that everything has to multiply after its kind Gen. 1 : 8 kjv ....Jesus cd not reproduce after the Spirit if he were not the GOD kind .....Everything has to multiply after its kind according to its seed these are the words of God Almighty....When ya read the parable of the Sower and his seed try to realize that the Sower of that good seed is the bridegroom thus the wheat is a Baby Christ a Baby God....Thats y he is saying whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me...Remember God swore himself when he made that great PROMISE of multiplication....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....Y is the good seed a baby Christ simply b/c that good seed is the living WORD which is the very seed of God THAT PROMISE SEED.
(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.)
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2022 is a far cry from church services in 1960's. People doing Gods work need to examine themselves according to scripture.
It is not at all unusual to make an appointment with the associate Pastor to discuss any questions you might have.
If you watch people in any brand of Church, go to the front for prayer?
1. Women pray for women, laying a hand on the shoulder.
2. Men pray with men. Hand on shoulder.
Everyone in the pews wait to be dismissed by Pastor. If the Holy Spirit is present, it's respectful to wait until the altar call is concluded.
It takes way more ENERGY to maintain unforgiveness.
Forgive, in Jesus Name. Forbid Satan to keep stirring the ashes.
If that person refuses to drop the issue; that may be a friend you need to let go. Forgive. Take their name out of your contact list.
If 2 Christians "go to law" with each other, both of them are being heard in the Court of Heaven.
Our lives are harder when we don't read the Bible that often. We have great times together in here sorting through various scriptures that help explain things better. It's fun.
Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit all exhibit the uniqueness attributable only to God, even though each is somehow spoken of as separate from God. God is Triune and therefore difficult for humans to understand. Humans also have divisions that are not easily understandable, although not separate entities like the Trinity of God. We have spirits, souls, and bodies, and they 3 are one, as we see in 1 John 5:
1 John 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Another reference to the divisions in men is found in Hebrews 4:
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Another example can be gleaned from Romans 7:
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
God created man on the sixth day with two basic purposes by which he would fulfill his primary purpose to glorify God as a bearer of the Divine Image: working and multiplying. Perhaps multiplying could be left off in the New Testament Age based on Paul's teaching concerning singleness ( 1 Cor 7:7), and based on the fact that there seems to be no reproduction in eternity ( Mt 22:30). But working will be a part of our eternal existence. It is what we were made for, not only in this life but also in the next.
Each man and woman has been given a deposit of talent, energy, and resources. God will return and demand an account for our usage. Furthermore, he has promised that throughout our lives we are to live by the principle of stewardship and faithfulness, and we will be added increase as we prove capable. To refuse to work is an affront to the Creator and should not be rewarded or tolerated in the church.
The Gospel, unlike the Old Covenant, is not about rules, per se. It is about the grace of God that transforms a heart into a lover of God and his Kingdom and righteousness. But the apostles did sometimes give "rules" when necessary, and only those which accorded with grace and the Gospel. In this case, the problem of laziness was so prevalent, it had to be addressed as a rule.
There are certainly instances when a Christian is unable to work, whether because of a depressed economy, or a disability. But it is often the case that what is called inability is really an excuse for unwillingness. At nearly all costs, a human, an image-bearer of God, should make themselves useful and add value to their society.
Streetpreacher