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Matthew 8:15, Mark 1:31, Mark 15:41, Luke 8:3,

2Thessalonians 3:10-16, Proverbs 13:4, Job 34:11, Psalms 28:4, Psalms 62:12, 1Thessalonians 4:11

Exodus 20:9,10, Exodus 23:12,

Even to build the house of GOD takes work, 2Kings 12:11, 2Kings 22:5,9, 1Chronicles 9:33, Nehemiah 4:21,

Proverbs 26:16, Proverbs 20:4, Proverbs 6:6-11, Proverbs 10:26,

Hopefully these are helpful

Hi Ronald,

I appreciate your respectul remarks and am ok with continuing to dialog as long as that remains.

I can offer a challenge to few of your points in your last comment.

1. John 1:1 says, "In the beginning", God does not have a beginning.

It sounds like you are using this as evidence to support your view. I don't view it that way at all. First, this says "in the beginning" not "in God's beginning" or "in the Word's beginning". So, this phrase doesn't suggest any limitation on God whatsoever, but is just marking for us in our own human terms that Jesus was always there.

Do you remember Jesus saying this: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." That doesn't mean He's limited, but the opposite, it means He spans everything! Revelation 22:13 - notice the words in red that Jesus said that.

It also says this in Revelation 1:8, notice it says "says the Lord". Lord is Greek word kurios which is supreme authority or God. Some translations say "says the Lord God" and is the same meaning. This is Jesus speaking about Himself, it too is in red.

Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." - notice this is the same claim Jesus made in Revelation. If there's only one and only one who makes that claim then it seems logical that the claim in both the New and Old Testament are from the same being.

Revelation 11:17 - This uses the same word Lord (kurios) of which Jesus is Lord ( Romans 10:9) and uses the word theos (God) with it, so it calls Jesus "Lord God." Do you agree? How do you feel about this verse?

Isaiah 43:11 - "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." So, it says Jesus is Lord and our savior in the New Testament and there's no other Lord. Here in the OT it also says the Lord is the savior and no one else. That is all in alignment with John 10:30. Yes?

John 5:23 - we must honor Jesus.

Hi David, I don't know where your heart is in regards to your public comment- that is between you and God.

I know from past experience that people have used similar arguments in a dishonest way, however, in attempt to discredit God. I noticed you claimed those who believe in the trinity as it says in 1 John 5:7 didn't start until constantinople. That is untrue. People would have believed in the Godhead the first time they heard or read the scriptures, because its direct from scripture. 1 John 5:7, John 1:1, Philippians 2:6, and numerous verses that talk about the Godhead and plural "we" and "us" for God all align for even a child to understand that God consists of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. God is aware of our hearts and any attempts to discredit Him or spread false info will be taken seriously. Those who disrespect, dishonor, slander Jesus may not even be saved according to John 5:23.

Dear One Eighty,

The Bible does not teach that spirit and flesh (made of matter) are opposites nor that they oppose each other. It is the sinful nature that opposes all that God created good in us. At times the Bible speaks of the spirit warring against the flesh. In this context, Flesh is used as a synonym for the sinful nature, which is immaterial, but manifests sin through our physical being, (mind, body, soul, spirit, emotions) Of these, only the body is material, but it is not evil nor opposing to our immaterial aspects.

Dualism teaches that the material world, (all that is made of matter, including our bodies) is evil and only what is spiritual is good. But Satan is a spirit being and he is the most evil of all. And Jesus was God Incarnate (became human in all senses of the word) yet was sinless and pure and good. Classical dualism teaches that the physical universe, including fleshly bodies) was made by an evil spiritual entity (demi-urge) who opposes the good Spiritual entity who made all that is spiritual. It teaches that these two entities are equal but antagonistic to one another. So, while many Christians do not embrace dualism in the classical sense, some embrace the tenet of dualism by saying that what is physical (made of matter) therefore, our fleshly bodies, is only evil and that our new spiritual nature in Christ is only good.

Hello Gary,

I concur with Jesse.

The Scriptures say that God is everlasting and eternal, without beginning nor being created and will never cease to exist. Life and existence belong wholly to Him. They do not exist outside of God, meaning He did not acquire them from anything outside of Himself. He always has possessed these.

Genesis 21:33 (Eternal)

Isaiah 63:16 (Everlasting)

Isaiah 26:4 (Rock eternal)

Jeremiah 10:10 (the living God, the Eternal King)

Romans 16:26 (Eternal God)

1Tim 1:17 (unto the King eternal immortal)

Hebrews 9:14 (eternal Spirit)

1John 5:20 (He is the true God and Eternal life)

Ps. 93>2 (You are from all eternity)

Deuteronomy 33:27 (Eternal)

1 Chronicles 16:36 (the God of Irael, from everlasting to everlasting)

Nehemiah 9:5 (who is from everlasting to everlasting)

Isaiah 9:6 (Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace)

Isaiah 40:28 (The Lord is the Everlasting God)

Habakkuk 1:12, (O lord, are You not rom everlasting?)

Isaiah 57:15 (the Lofty One, who lives forever

Hope these help.

but go, show yourself to the Priest. Luke 5:14, Luke 17:14, Matthew 8:4, Mark 1:44,

Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18-19

2nd Thessalonin Chapter 3:10

It says he that does not work, does not eat (Paraphrased) Does that mean exactly what it says. ??

If a man is to lazy to get out and work and take care of his family, he should not eat the food he didn't earn.??

Explain please

Hi David,

Yes, I think Gnosticism in earliest forms predates Jesus. For a period, parts of their belief system paralleled Christian thought in the first to third centuries.

Philippians 2:6-8. So, being in the form of God (Spirit), Jesus didn't see it as taking away from God by claiming His equality with God; because Jesus has the Mind of God. Jesus took on the "form" of a servant (man), made to look like man, being found in fashion of man. Jesus appeared as a body named Jesus. John 6:63 : The words He speaks are spirit and life, not flesh which profits nothing (counts as nothing). I can only speculate Paul thought Jesus was only a body, or both (dualism). Spirit or body. Will the real Jesus please stand up.

Peace.

I wouldn't worry what people are doing in the churches, what where people doing in Noah's day just get in the boat , be saved

What do they have on hands on in the Baptist Churches

Hi Spunky Perhaps what I'm going to share with you will put your believing heart and mind at ease. Indeed the usa is

on a very slippery slop but it IS not the Great babylon in revelation, that represents all the enemies kingdom worldwide.

Now I too am a citizen of this country my spiritual position stand on Gods word and to those who want delivered will listen

those who won't have a nice day. If this country keeps going the direction its going it will fall apart because the true God

will not put up with the movements that the government is partaking in particularly LGBTQ ANDdope and wasting human

life also defiant against all authority and way too many so called christians and churches are compromising. That being

said that doesn't mean your included, we stand as individuals responsible for our own walk, so walk in the righteousness

love grace mercy peace and power of the spirit you've been given by grace and no matter what our need will be met.

GOD BLESS.

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Ronnette Reading your commentary I believe were on the same page, we must remember Jesus Christ ministry when he was

personally present was too the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Now there are future events he shared that pertain to revelation and the grace administration both future. Our glorious God in his forknowledge knew israel was going to reject their Messiah

which on pentecost opened the grace of God to all men to be reborn of holy spirit. the gospels were the personal presents of the

king of Israel and he was rejected the second coming will be in thessalonians when he comes for the church the body of Christ

those of us born again age of grace. the third is in book of revelation when he returns with us saints born again and we judge

and defeat all evil. So in reality first time born crucified resurrected[personal presence] second time in the air to be seen and

we are taken up to meet him in the air, third time revelation coming back with his body us saints to judge all evil.

Gary,

The Bible speaks of God being both eternal and everlasting ( Psalm 90:2, Genesis 21:33, Deuteronomy 33:27) just to name a few.

In order to understand God being both eternal and everlasting, we would have to conclude that God has no beginning and no end.

If we ask who created God, then we would then have to ask who created the person that created God, and it would never ever end. So, if it never ends, it can only be logical that God has no creator but has always been in existence.

Giannis With all due respect i'm just reading scripture in verse 6 he says diversities of administrations then in verse 7 different

subject matter manifestation. The word diversities is[diaresis] which is the act of dividing according to Gods purpose and administrations deals with the gift ministries of apostles prophets evangelist pastors and teachers in the body of christ which God

calls out. The manifestation of the God given gift is available to utilize to any believer, that's two entirely different subject matters

also I read with great attention to detail in english and greek and some hebrew text which is what the scriptures were translated

from. Also this is a commentary so I endeavor not to be judgemental if someone believes differently that's their priviledge.

God Bless

Gary Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created everything God is eternal always existed, all mighty omnipresent, all love

all light, all caring,, all perfect, all spirit, all life giving, all order their is nothing above or before all mighty GOD.

Hi Ronald,

Thanks for explaining your position.

Your comment stood out to me: "Jesus is the word, every word Jesus said was of God and from God the Father, the word of God became flesh not God. "

What's interesting is that John 1:1 does not say what you wrote. You acknowledge that Jesus is the Word as it says in John 1:14, ok so we agree on that aside from your use of a lowercase word instead of Word. The name Word is a proper title, similar to many other names of Jesus has been given.

1. After you used lowercase to describe Jesus instead of Word you then slipped in "word" but as a different meaning but to also create distance between God and Jesus.

That is surprising, because John 1:1 literally says "the Word was God."

Bible: "Word was God."

You: "every word Jesus said was of God."

That seems sneaky to me. That's not what that verse says. I have been in prayer about this and I encourage you to do the same. Surely God will honor those who seek Him with wisdom and understanding about who He is, do you agree?

There's no verse in the Bible that says Jesus isn't God. All the scripture supports that He is part of a triune God and is the Son. Yes, the Father is also called God and I see how people latch onto that. And I see how people don't want to understand that God can sometimes mean God the Father and can sometimes mean a triune God. But if someone believes there's no trinity and that Jesus isn't part of the Godhead as scriptures say, then how else do people explain the verses where God refers to itself as "we" and "us" and how Jesus created everything John 1:3. It says the 3 are 1 in 1 John 5:7. It doesn't say the part of the Godhead is everyone, or Paul, or Peter, or Samson or you. No, there's only 3 and it includes the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost just like it says.

One last comment for now:

"The doctrine says all three are equal, does scripture agree?"

The Bible doesn't say their roles are equal. What doctrine are you talking about?

Dear David

Please pay attention to 1 Corinthians 12:4

"Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit."

Diversities of gifts given by the same Spirit, not just one gift, which (gifts) are manifested (in the congregation) as tongues, prophesy, miracles, healings, faith...etc

GBU

AWESOME! didn't know that

One Eighty Its interesting that you mention gnostism because that was one of the infiltrations of the church early on

that's why in timothy Paul writes there is only one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus making reference

to the exalted saviour sitting at Gods right hand.

If our all mighty Lord: God created everything who created God ?

Jesse I see all these inputs I have one question if Jesus was God the exact same entity then why did the devil and any devil spirits that he cast out call him son of the most high and even the devil in the temptations called him son of God. Who knows

better who you are then your arch enemy who by the way knew the scripture and at one time was Lucifer Gods right hand angel.

It's an honest observation also in the very end in revelation he will hand over all power back to the Father of all God Almighty.

Robert it doesn't get any simpler than what your sharing, also in heaven right now Christ is sitting at the right hand of God

God can't sit beside himself. God Bless bro. see you at the bema!

Richard in regards to prophecy there is no gift of prophecy. in 1 Corinthians 12:8 paul switches from gift of the spirit to manifestations of the gift. The gift is holy spirit but their are nine manifestations or outward displays of the operation

of the gift. they are speaking in tongues interpretations of tongues prophecy word of knowledge word of wisdom

discerning of spirits faith miracles and healing. these operating correctly in the church are always operated in love and order

like all other thing of the True God.

Suze, just to let you know, you are in no way upsetting or offending me. And I hope not to upset or offend you either. You said we are all reading from the same bible, but if that's the case, why do we come up with different conclusions? Can you point to someplace in God's word that tells me that Jesus was a created being? I'm not too sure about that one. Thanks!

God is our tower fortified by His Word ( the Bible) ,His Love for us,He protects us,provides what we need. God Bless everyone !

Dear Suze

Jeasus was/is a perfect man and simultaneously God. In the Bible one has to distinguish between verses that are referring to Him as a man and verses that are referring to Him as a God.

ie. 1. As a Man

As a man Jesus was praying to God, was filled with God's Spirit, He was lower than God, He doesn't know the date of rapture, He sits at rhe right hand side of God, He didn't permform any miracle on His own but was always asking for Father to do them, He was ressurected by the power of God, He was given the HS who He sends to dweli in believers,... etc

2. As a God Jesus never used His divine power, it is what those verses in Philippians say, He never tried to overcome his human nature (He could go on for ever without sleeping, eating, getting tired but He didn't do that), He knew what was inside the heart of any man. He was sinless, many verses that have been already stated by others make obvious His divine nature..I just remind you what He said to Jews once "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:19. Him not Father not Holly Spirit. Here Jesus talks as the Godhead.

So let's not be confused and mix up verses that either show Him as a man or as a God. He is both. My opinion...

GBU

Jesus didn't want anybody knowing he was God the Son....Every miracle he did he wd always say....see that no man know it...It was all hid from the wise and prudent but revealed only to the babes.....The baby Christ which is the H.G....As that Which is born of the spirit is spirit...The Spirit of truth that are spiritual infants....Thus they cannot speak of them selves..for a time....Thats y you will neva read where he (Jesus) telling ppl that he was God....He didnt want anybody knowing that great truth...Till the book is opened in the Fathers right hand...Which is that new Covenant that he wrote with his own blood....No man in heaven and earth cd look into it....John said i wept much b/c no man in heaven and earth cd look on it.....His deity was hid....God didnt want anybody to know it...just yet....The only thing Jesus wanted the world to know was he is the son of MAN...Which is mankinds

fruit unto God. via his seed the word....Our New Birth

Thank you Chris,

You explained this well.