Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 591

Brother,

Your concordance would have given you 7 eggs which would have been plenty for some delicious eggs benny!

This verse and others inform us that we are an integrated being with soul, spirit, and body. God willed that we possess all three of these to be a living being. This verse says, too, that we will be redeemed spirit, soul, and body when we are resurrected. So, in eternity we will continue to be this type of being with soul, spirit, and body. However, our whole being will be changed, possessing immortality and having all corruption removed from us. The sinful nature will be removed from us permanently. We will have a sinless glorified physical body like Jesus has now in heaven.

Robert,

Adam has given you several great pieces of scripture to support the claim that Jesus is indeed God.

It is true that the bible does not say "Jesus is God" in those exact words, but it also does not say (in your words) that "Jesus was spoken into existence." Jesus was not spoken into existence. To believe that, we would also have to deny His deity.

You ask, "So what's hard to understand that Jesus is the Son of God?"

It's not hard to understand. I believe Jesus is the Son of God. But what does the phrase "Son of God" mean? What did it mean to the Jews? If Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, was He wrong for doing so? Obviously to the Jews, Jesus was claiming to be God Himself. For that claim, they accused Him of blasphemy and the penalty according to Leviticus 24:16 was death.



Did Jesus ever claim to be God? John 10:30-33 would indicate so. Jesus said "I and my Father are one." Notice who He's saying this to? The Jews! In Verse 31, it says they took up stones to kill Him. So what was wrong with Jesus' claim? Why would the Jews want to kill Him for saying that?

The answer is in John 10:33. They wanted to kill Jesus because He claimed to be God. To them He committed blasphemy by making Himself God. They took up stones to kill Jesus for saying "I and my Father are one." Notice that Jesus didn't say "Wait a minute guys, before you stone me, I think you are misunderstanding what I said, so let's talk about this?" Jesus did not correct them because what they said "thou, being a man, makest thyself God," is exactly what Jesus meant.

In Matthew 16:16, Peter gives the correct response to who Jesus is; "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Peter was a Jew, and he knew exactly what he was saying when he said Jesus was the Son of the living God. To a Jew, the phrase "Son of God," or "Son of the living God" is the same as calling someone God Himself, and that's exactly what Peter said in his response to the question Jesus asked.

I receive that prayer on behalf of Patricia. Amen.

God help us get through this part. Love covers a multitude of failures. I've always loved my sister no matter what. She lost a son to a firey 18 wheeler crash. He was driving a 2nd shift for a drunk partner driver. He was like my son. He was a Christian and died instantly.

Thank you all for prayers and comfort. See you soon.

Hi Chris,

I think most of us agree God is Spirit. John 4:24. I can't help but question though, how can Spirit become flesh (man). The Bible clearly indicates Spirit and flesh are opposites. John 3:6. Should we not seriously consider that Mark 3:23-26 establishes a principle in truth that also applies to God? Thus, if God rises up against Himself, and be divided, He cannot stand, but hath an end. This would reflect "dualism", which is "Gnostic" in nature.

Hi Jessica That is correct we are born natural man totally antagonistic to the things of God until either by instruction from

believing parents or communication from another believer or direct intervention from the father we are born again and receive

Power from on high i.e. confess Romans 10:9+10 And believe it in the innermost part of our being heart. We have sinful blood

the only innocent person with perfect or sinless blood was Jesus christ.

Richard Biblical prophecy is either forthtelling what gods word already promised but the speaker is talking by inspired

utterance or foretelling the future. Examples luke 2:25-35 also ACTS 2:14-37-this is all inspired utterance from holy

spirit of past present and future also not all were judean and it is unscripted. The idea of teaching people that if you give money to God you get blessed in return is a phallacy because you can be giving in other categories to bless the body of Christ and that's honored. Also in the first church i.e. book of Acts show me where people were told to give and I'LL eat the book, people gave because they were delivered and blessed not being told if you don't give God won't bless you. poelpe have so called prophecied

that the united states is going down, that's not prophecy that's already written that any nation that practices or worships the

adversary their land will spew them out. Years ago a believer came to me that went back to a drug problem and wanted help

I told hin to move in but if I see and traces of drugs he's gone. Three days later I came home and he packed his bags and I met

him before he left and he said I'm sorry and I said if you don't change Iwill never see you alive again. Six months later he was

dead, was that prophecy no it was 2 Peter 2:21+22 the dog went back to his own vomit. So when people say God told me this

or that as long as it lines up with it is written fine if not the enemy is expert at what he does.

Prophecy today: Concluding thoughts

suppose someone today went into a mega church and stated that unless damnable heresies stopped; leadership and congregants alike would come to an early demise. One could argue from the example of Ananias and Sapphira that this would be an exhortation of love to the believing remnant to resist such falsehood or get out before it is too late. This is just a hypothetical example; but if we don't understand the principle involved in God's prophetic utterances then it seems like a disjointed message that often can result in a "self fulfilling prophecy" if Satan is in the background pulling the strings. Something as simple as the warning to the Laudician church should be enough of an appeal to wake people up from their slumber. If we love God then we fear Him and keep His commandments. We understand that all things have consequences; whether promotion or demotion; God gives and takes away ( Job 1:21). Judgments prophesied come because of repeated disobedience with clear warnings for a long time. As the Word says nothing comes to pass without a warning from the Prophets ( Amos 3:7). With so MANY voices; including false prophets; we need to heed to the Word any messages that either contradict scripture or have an evil spirit behind them. Without discernment many churches are totally lost; because almost no one wants to hear or can HANDLE the truth.

With the unpleasant messages true prophets usually bring; they likely wouldn't want it broadcast (especially if a rebuke of a church is part of the message). This is much the same with other miracles; someone truly delivered from a demon should only be on video if there is sufficient backup or witnesses to the validity of their testimony; and there can be evidence they are truly delivered from the fruits in their lives. Discipleship in general seems to be unpopular today with such sideshows. A true statement is a warning to the lost of their sure fate without repentance.

Suze a.k.a Free,

Read my below comment. It's murder. You tell a story of someone starving themselves to death after rape as a subtle way of justify abortion (which is murder). There are people who've accidentally killed someone driving and starved themselves out of the depression and guilt. My wife is obviously a woman and she's got a stronger word against this than my own. But it's not about us. We react on emotion and sympathy and that's not how justice is determined in the Word of God.

I'll quote this again but Proverbs 6:16 & 17

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, "

Our finite 'complaints' to justify abortion are bigger than God? God HATEs abortion. Who do you think the innocent were in Proverbs 6? They are an ABOMINATION unto him.

So, like a stated below a woman is raped, this makes her a victim. Again a terrible thing and now she's a victim. The moment she commits abortion she's no longer a victim but a murderer. That's harsh but that's the reality of what we're trying to justify here. Let that sink in. God is bigger than our emotions, our situations and does not and will not ever support murder.

Part two: The true gift of Prophecy

The question remains; what exactly could be greater works than Christ promised to the Apostles and by default; to His church today? Clearly; when we look at the FRUIT of so called "healing ministries" and other modern "Prophets" we see little resemblance to the early church. Surely; if and when a true miracle does occur God does not advocate media promotion as occurs much of the time today. Since this is focused on prophecy rather than healing; we only need to look at scriptures to debunk those who aren't 100 percent accurate today. It IS true that even with certain scriptures; there is a time factor for things to occur; and the choices of individuals could affect the outcome (such as preparing for famine with Agabus's proclamation; and Paul's decision to go on to what eventually was his death; but appears to have come at a much later date). It is also true that unless the Lord states specifically there can be appeal to the Lord and He can "repent" in some sence from a decreed action. This is most clear with all things that happen now before the 21 judgments of the Tribulation are released (starting with Christ Himself opening the first seal). The restrainer is holding back for now.

The biggest issue is those whose hearts are far from God and simply have vain imaginations; or want to "tickle ears" as many false teachers do. (2 Tim.4:3). When we don't have mega church evangelists risking their lives and being martyred oftentimes for their faith we are not seeing real believers; by and large. Christ said that ALL who live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. ( 2 Tim. 3:12; jus a few verses earlier). It may not mean severe physical trials but certainly disqualifies many who depend on funding from their associations with questionable individuals or organizations. Like any TRUE gift; "blazing forth" the message often is unwise; as Christ told many not to do until He was meant to be revealed ( Matt. 9:30).

The true gift of Bible prophecy

When we see the prophecy of Agabus in Acts 11; we see evidence of a Word given by an unknown saint to the church as to events soon to come. An individual word of knowledge came to Paul as to what would happen when he went to Jerusalem in Acts 21. These two examples show that most prophecy has unpleasant ramifications whether it if for a nation; individual or group of people. Comparison with today's prosperity gospel type of messages there is little or no scriptural precedence for "declared" blessings of financial success. The irony is that tends to eliminate the TRUE messages of God's promotion of certain individuals for unique ministries and great works for the Kingdom of God. When the successful saint is seen to have promotion; wealth and privileges in this world the verse about what is "highly exalted among men is an abomination to God" ( Luke 16:15).

Try telling Christ who had "no place to lay His head" ( Luke 9:58); or the disciples who said they had given up all things to follow Him ( Luke 18:28); or Christ telling others that it was harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven than a camel to go through the eye of a needle ( Matthew 19:23).

Another part of the problem is that people don't trust that God works good through all things for those who love God ( Romans 8:28). This could signify personal trials; or those affecting the nations of the world (war; famine; pestilence); and even the great multitude of the Tribulation are the fruit of the crucible God has placed to test all those who dwell on the earth ( Rev. 3:10).

I believe that any TRULY Born Again individual can do great things; and has time perhaps to do even greater things than Jesus in some sense ( John 14:12-14). This could only refer to the same Holy Spirit working quantitatively in a lifetime more than Jesus had time to do in 3.5 years of ministry, and primarily sign and wonder miracles were meant for the Apostles.

Rick.. Babylon in the end times is the entire world

A human being is a spirit being, clothed in humanity.

A spirit being, has no body.

Even in the natural a True Father and Son relationship is mutual love and adoration and Worship.....And God instructed ALL the Angels to Worship his Son....Yes ...I don't think that the father wd instruct all the Angels to worhip his son if he himself didn't worship his only Son....In the time of Joseph in his dream he saw his father and mother worshipping him....And bible scholars tells us that Joseph was a type of Christ in over a 100 ways....You can google it....In Joseph's Dream he saw the 11 stars and the moon and the sun making obeisance to him....Which was symbolic of his 11 brethren and his mom and his Father Jacob...Worshipping him...Joseph

......All this is just Prophetic of Christ and his Deity....And ALL of the World Heaven and Earth worshipping him... Rev. 14 : 7 KJV....Let heaven and earth Praise him....Worship him that made the heavens and the earth and the fountains of waters.

Sister Suze:

When our body of flesh and blood DIES, do you believe we are instantly in the presence of God with the same glorified body that Christ has.

We don't have to wait for the second resurrection, we are the (first) resurrection INTO Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the LIFE also of JESUS might be made manifest in OUR BODY.

2 Corinthians 4:11 For WE WHICH LIVE (being raised INTO Christ) are always delivered unto DEATH for Jesus' sake, that the LIFE OF JESUS might be made manifest in OUR MORTAL FLESH.

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ....CHRIST IN YOU......

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh (his life, we have no life, we are just CHRIST BODY) in you both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure (Christ is the LIFE in us)

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth IT (the new creation: the LIFE OF CHRIST) a body, and to every SEED HIS (the FATHER'S) own body (Christ is the BODY of the FATHER).

1 Corinthians 15:28 ...And GOD (the Father, the ONLY LIFE THERE IS) will be ALL (LIFE) in ALL (BODIES).

Ephesians 4:4 ONE Spirit (one life) ...ONE Body (man) ....

Ephesians 4:5 ONE God and Father of ALL .....

God BLESS YOU

RD Spirit beings or power is only seen by the five senses by its affects, i.e. spirit of God love joy peace healing and so on

the enemy anything that is devisive, manipulative, or manifest sin in any way shape or form i.e,. all sicknesses, anything

destructive. You cannot see taste touch hear or smell spirit only the effects. Many times when Jesus Chrsit heale3d when the

spirit causing it was removed the physical problem was gone. Also spirit beings or messengers are either good or evil and have

the ability to manifest themselves when needed I.E. Gabriel with Mary, the men who went to lot sodom and gommorah.

All have sinned! We are born WITH sin...we are not born with the understanding of how or why we do the things we naturally do. Such as cry when there is nothing wrong with us (lies) just to get picked up...OR hit our sisters/brothers because they took our toy. BUT we are sinful creatures from birth! The only way to gain a new nature is through the blood of Jesus!

Romans 5:12

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

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"In the form of God (Gk. 'morphe', shape, appearance), thought it not robbery to be equal to God (Gk. 'harpagmos', to 'tenaciously grasp' onto His equality with God), but made Himself of no reputation, becoming a servant, humbling Himself even to His death on a Cross". If Jesus was a newly created Being for the purposes of mankind's redemption, the apostle would have never described Him in such a manner - in fact Paul would have been a downright deceiver forcing his readers to believe that Jesus came in God's Likeness, in equality with God, & laying all that aside to fulfil God's Plan for Him & the World, when He was simply a newly created Being. If we don't see this, that Jesus humbled Himself to become man & then lived His Life as a man, ate, slept, wept, rejoiced, suffered, etc. as we do, then all the Scriptures as you've shared, just show Him as an ordinary man. But He was more than a man - not just sent from God, but came from the Godhead - from within God's Person - if not, then we might as well overlook the Philippians reference treating it as false (and of course, the others Adam & I have shared).

So you stated, "Jesus never had the things until God gave them to him." Then the question, 'why didn't Jesus have 'the things'? I think that Philippians chapter 2 answers that. Because He laid it all aside (kenosis - emptying Himself), for the purpose of being human & for the suffering & death which He would bear - because God cannot experience that - but God becoming Man could. And this is the wonder of our salvation & everlasting praise to our God.

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Hi Robert & thanks for your response. There's a lot to unpack here, but if I could just for now focus on Philippians 2:5-10, which you have referenced.

All the other references about Jesus doing nothing without the Father; the Father is greater; the sender is greater than the sent; etc., are all good, but has its base in what we learn from the Philippians reference you gave. What was Paul saying? "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus". What mind? The mind, or mind-set, he writes about in verses 2 to 4 (to be like-minded, same love, one accord, one mind, nothing bringing strife or vainglory, esteeming one another, & considering one another). This was the mind that Jesus as a Man had, which ought to be in the believers.

And then Paul elaborates to show how Jesus conducted Himself. He could have come as a pompous king, demanding obeisance & obedience from all. Yet, He "made Himself of no reputation" (the Greek word is 'ekenosen', which means 'emptying' oneself). If Jesus was a newly created being, what would he empty himself of? He had nothing to put aside.

A contemporary example of this would be from a TV show series of old, where an owner/director of a thriving company desires to lower himself from his prestige & wealth, put on ragged clothes, live & sleep under a bridge, so that he can better understand what the struggles of the homeless & destitute are. He didn't have to do it this way, but he wanted to experience it in real-time & at the end of it render some real help or work to these unfortunate ones. That's a small & weak picture of Jesus emptying Himself for our sakes.

Adam Amen and Amen GBU Well Said....How can anybody not see that

Hi Robert, you just replied to my comment with John 1:1 that clearly says Jesus is God. Do you believe Jesus is the Word as it says in John 1:14?

And on this thread I just posted 26 other verses supporting that Jesus is God, the Son, and that God is truine. How many verses have you found supporting the opposite?

To give this even consideration, please share at least 26 or more verses supporting your view and then we can pray over this and read them together. Surely if we pray to God to know the truth and open our hearts to receive His wisdom and truth we can come to arrive at the truth, do you agree?

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No worries S Spenser , I'm surprised that no one asked me this sooner smiley face . I'm hoping that Sacha will reappear one day but she's been gone a while now so maybe not . I too hope she is ok .

John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Who is the Word?

John 1:14-15 says the Word is Jesus. Does anyone deny that the Word is Jesus?

If someone believes John 1:14, then do they believe John 1:1

"...the Word was God."

"...[Jesus] was God."

JESUS.

WAS.

GOD.

John 1:1

This is God's Word.

Some here are saying "Jesus was NOT God" despite John 1:1 clearly saying Jesus WAS God. I'd like to know exactly how someone can believe in all other verses of the Bible except this one? If something WAS something, that seems to offer little room for interpretation. It means it's the same, does it not? So, if something WAS something, how does someone twist this into believing it says something WAS NOT something?

It then must be asked: since it takes so much effort to take a sentence something WAS something to turn it into: something WAS NOT something, what is the true underlying motive here? Does God's Word carry the most weight and influence or does something else?

This is eerily similar to Gen 3:4 where satan denied what God said and claimed that they shall NOT surely die. Satan loves opposites and this seems to have his signature, does it not?

I welcome any perspective I'm missing, but do not consider anything other Bible verses as valid evidence. God's Word is all that matters and because there's already numerous verses supporting that Jesus is God like John 1:1 then that is what is true. Lastly, why not just pray and ask God directly to know the truth? Genuinely ask!

1 John 5:7-8

John 10:30

John 8:19

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

(plural "us")

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Matthew 1:23-25

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:29

Romans 1:20

Isaiah 7:14

Hebrews 1:8

Isaiah 44:6

Isaiah 43:11

Hi Robert , I have no intention of arguing with you and I have no desire to , Im not going to attempt to disparage your beliefs , you are entitled to them and I respect them and you totally . Please can I ask you one question ? Do you believe in the trinity ? If the answer is yes then how can you believe in the trinity and yet believe that there is one God ? Isn't a trinity three ?

Just show 1 verse that says Jesus is God .

Not in any scriptures I have read .

Ok , I'm not always great at explaining myself ,here goes , at the end of Christ's millennial reign on earth , some of the humans that have lived during that time will rebel and there will be a final judgement of them , a ressurection of those that died during that one thousand years , the living and the dead of that one thousand years will be judged , the rebels cast into the lake of fire , the faithful changed into the same bodies as us , we have already been changed and given the same kind of body as the angels , this happened to us at the return of Christ , therefore there will be no more sinful flesh , just the ressurescted glorified faithful , God will be all in all , as He was in Christ so shall He be in us . We shall all be one in Him . I've just got up so haven't had time to give you references but I can and will later on today if you want me to . Much love in Christ .

Jesus is the Son, not the Father. Did you somehow think from my comment that I thought otherwise, if so, how?

John 1:1 clearly says Jesus is God and the mountain of other verses I posted all support that. For example, God being called 'we' and 'us' plural. How else do you explain that?

Jesus was worshipped and called God directly by His disciples and He allowed it and never denied it.

Not sure if you've truly read all the verses I posted above, but how do you account for that mountain of overwhelming evidence supporting Jesus's divinity and believe He isn't?

And finally, have you prayed to God the Father directly and asked Him for what the truth is? Have you deeply and prayerfully read the scriptures and prayed for wisdom and understanding so that the truth will be revealed?

Jesus is the word made flesh and the apostle John gives witness . Amen .

Notice verse 2 ( for the life was manifested, and we have seen it , and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life , which was WITH the FATHER.... notice it does not say IS the FATHER. That would mean Jesus is the Father . No the Father was with him , just as Jesus has been saying all along .

Hi Doug,

This is an interesting logical argument. I find that in 1 Peter 3:22. Let's assume for argument's sake that your conclusion is correct and you get 1 point for this.

But for every verse you cite, there are even more that say that Jesus IS God, like John 1:1 saying the "Word was God" and verse 14 that Jesus is the Word.

This could continue to play out and you can cite any number of verses to support your position, but again we don't run out of very compelling verses saying that Jesus is God.

Let's say that it's a dead even race. 30 verses suggesting Jesus isn't vs 30 verses suggesting He is.

Then what? Which do you choose to believe?

I don't know if you've gone through this exercise or not, but I now have a spoiler: someone will run out of verses supporting that Jesus "isn't" God long before the verses supporting He IS God. Not only that, but each of the verses commonly cited to claim that Jesus "isn't" God require some extra creative interpretation and human logic whereas the verses supporting the other side can be read and interpreted more literally. Not only that, but there's logical explanations for why Jesus called His Father God. The main reason is that He temporarily became a human being and limited His power. Phil 2:6-7. So, yes, as a man, He prayed to His Father and called Him God. So, all verses must be considered as a whole, not cherry picked in order to have understanding about the Godhead and I admit it is hard to comprehend as we don't have anything like it in on earth. But perhaps like an orange with seeds, pulp, skin. Someone calls pulp an orange, and it is.

1 John 5:7-8

John 10:30

John 8:19

Genesis 1:26

, Genesis 11:6-7 (plural "us")

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Matthew 1:23-25

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:29

Romans 1:20

Isaiah 7:14

Hebrews 1:8

Isaiah 44:6

Isaiah 43:11