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Thanks brother Jesse. Both you & bro. Ronald have written similarly, which I've much appreciated, and I especially noted both your emphases on the word, 'they', which places this error upon others who engaged in this form of baptism, rather than on the 'we', (i.e. to the Corinthians who held to Paul's teaching, which would have been a correct belief & practise of baptism).

Another point: even if this practise wasn't occurring in the Church, Paul often referred to pagan literature/beliefs to support his teaching in some way. I think of Acts chapter 17: Paul's preaching to the Athenians who were given over to idolatry. Verses 28 & 29 in particular: "For in him (God) we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device."

As well as Titus 1:12: "One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies"; Paul writing to Titus & for him to be alert to the false teachers in Crete.

So, Paul was not averse to using extra-biblical references to support & re-instruct believers. Seeing this 1 Corinthians 15:29 verse in the midst of Paul's teaching on the resurrection, misled me to thinking that this verse must somehow fit into the rest of his teaching - hence my thought that "baptism for the dead" must be closer to 'baptism for (going to) the grave'. And then I notice verse 12, "Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?". This "some among you" may well be those who believed &/or practised that corrupt form of baptism. I often wish we could have had more information from Paul, indeed, more of the Word to help us grasp more fully the events of those times. Thanks for sharing with us on that point, brother.

Thank you brother Ronald - your comment was very enlightening. Even as bro. Jesse similarly stated (& which I overlooked), you mentioned that Paul was referring to "they" (as in "what shall THEY do"), as those of another following or party within the Corinthian Church. Indeed, it seems very likely that there was a practice going on that was inconsistent to what the Corinthians heard from Paul & even that strange practice showed that a resurrection must be the end result. Blessings.

Amen Ann.

A man after his own heart.

What is the difference between example and ensample

the gift of tounges is different than just speaking in tounges when I receive the baptism of the holy spirit I had no clue to what was really going on with me, all I know was that I was speaking in tounges as the spirit of the Lord gave the utterance and no one explains to me what was going on with me all I knew was I was filed with the spirit of Christ, and I've been different ever since then, I do speak in divers of tounges in prayer during prayer time at church, God will speak after I speak in tounges if I ask for Him to speak if He would like to, I do this to make sure I'm not in my flesh, because no good things dwell in us other than the spirit of Christ who the Author and the finisher of our faith, all of this is by faith, because by faith we are saved it not by any works, that we should boast., Jesus He is the same yesterday, and today, and forever more, why would He Give His holy spirit to them in the days of old. God is not ignorant about anything He want leave us ignorant He knows in the end time.

Satan was going to explain away sound doctrine, and He knows we must be empowered with the power of the holy spirit, if you have any doubt about speaking in tounges again just ask our heavenly father to baptize you with His spirit and with the evidence of speaking in tounges to see if it still exist for this day and age.

I love how King David apologized to god for doing wrong!

Albert The question answers itself since the true God and father of our lord Jesus Christ is all good then logically the adversary or satan is the author of all evil so cain was spiritually his child not by flesh and blood. Look at acts 13:10 Paul calls out elymus

the sorcerer and he became blind. Also in john 8 starting verse 13 talkuing to the leaders ye are from beneath Iam from above

also verses 38-44 same people and in verse 44 ye are of or from your father the devil this is spiritual not physical. a person can get born again of the true God and a persson can get born again of satan which is irreversable which is why Jesus Christ said to

ythem you will die in your sin they were unredeemable. It is written

Hello, Giannis,

I would agree that 1 Corinthians 15:29 is referring to them performing water baptism as a substitute for the dead who were never water baptized for one reason or another. However, I don't think I can agree that the other two verses you gave ( Colossians 2:12, and Romans 6:3-7) are speaking of water baptism. I understand those verses to be referring to the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

I do agree on the symbolism of water baptism. Water baptism is an expression, a testimony, supposedly of what God did in my spirit when I got saved. It is called the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And yes, I am in agreement with you that the word baptize (BAPTO) means to dip or immerse. Secondly, the word baptism is related to two things, one is cleansing, but it is mostly related to identification.

That is one of the things about Christian baptism, water baptism, is that when you are baptized, it is your testimony of your identification and the inward work of God's Spirit in your life. The second thing that the word baptism represents is cleansing. It was used religiously to represent cleansing.

In the book of Hebrews, the writer of Hebrews says that the Jewish people had many baptisms. And they would practice this, especially the washing of hands. But the Jews would baptize everything, pots, pans, you name it!

Blessings to you also!

Albert Gen 4 Yes cain was adam and eves son by flesh and blood but then read Jude 1:11 then you read about the way of cain and you read what influenced him spiritually. Thats why God made cain a vagabond because he was wicked spiritually not

by his physical parents.

Jesse and Alex N.

Amen. I agree.

Food for thought: If I'm truly saved according to the Gospel, would it not manifest into myself being a completely forgiving child of God? If I'm honest with myself, I'm still dealing with forgiveness; of others, myself, and possibly even God (relationships). Even happenings and events. Personally, I take it upon myself as evidence of my salvation, along with doing unto others as I'd have them do unto me, loving my neighbor as myself. Sometimes I don't do so well.

One way I see forgiveness is looking beyond one's mistakes from the beginning or before it happened. Thus the mistake doesn't appear as real to me. If I don't' forgive, have I truly received forgiveness for myself? Can an unforgiving heart enter the Kingdom?

Albert Joiner Gen4 This is brought up a lot the answer is physically yes, but spiritually no he was the first murderer and out of

his line came the unbelievers. look at Jude verses 8-16 these have gone the way of Cain was spiritually rotten to the core.

Remember Ephesians 6:12 first part we wrestle not against flesh and blood.

I wonder where did his evil ways come from

Sheila Bennett Three biblical truths whether something is from the God and father of our lord and saviour

first it cannot contradict His WORD POINT TWO IT has to GLORY God and Jesus CHRIST three it must be a blessing to the giver and receiver and build up the body of CHRIST THE CHURCH. EXAMPLE a brother of mine committed to God to go and hold forth

Gods word for one year. Five months into the year he shows up where I was working and I ask him whats he doing back home.

he said he had a sign from God and saw geese flying north in winter instead of south and it was a sign. I lovingly ask him do you

believe that God would do that after you made a personal commitment to Him to do what you said and then show something to break that commitment, especially when God opened doors and made it available for you to do what you committed to. So bottom line as long as it lines up with it is written and also when God opens doors they open easy especially if He wants you to do something and ask and pray first. Phillipians 4:19.

Jesse and Alex N.

Amen. I agree.

Food for thought: If I'm truly saved according to the Gospel, would it not manifest into myself being a completely forgiving child of God? If I'm honest with myself, I'm still dealing with forgiveness; of others, myself, and possibly even God (relationships). Even happenings and events. Personally, I take it upon myself as evidence of my salvation, along with doing unto others as I'd have them do unto me, loving my neighbor as myself. Sometimes I don't do so well.

One way I see forgiveness is looking beyond one's mistakes from the beginning or before it happened. Thus the mistake doesn't appear as real to me. If I don't' forgive, have I truly received forgiveness for myself? Can an unforgiving heart enter the Kingdom?

Dear 17sharp:

Stay with prayers and supplication and reading the Bible. A person who truly seek the truth will be guided by the Holy Spirit. Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Acts 20:28-32

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Revelation 18:4

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Agape.

Yes brother he is.

Yes God is very Good and is so patient with us and our errors . And faults etc. I at one time believed in the trinity doctrine , but the Holy Spirit is a greater teacher , than men's doctrines, I felt like a dark cloud was removed when I saw the truth of it . Amen !

Yes, but in Hebrews we see where God has never called an angel a son.

Hebrews.1:5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Hi David.

Titus 3:4-6. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of ( REGENERATION,) and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

God bless.

Thanks Jesse.

That's a valuable piece of info one should remember when evangelizing.

God bless.

Welcome Bill to the site.

Yes Albert. Cain is Adams son.

There is no denying this.

Genesis 4:1. And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Thanks Richard.

Nice read.

God bless.

S.Spencer I'm confused about the word regeneration since I don't see that in Gods Word, I see born again I quickned

or made alive but not regeneration?

Can just anyone visit your congregation and say God sent them to be a watchman in your congregation and another in another county is this decent and decent order of God teach me I'm teachable correct me if I asked an disorderly question please ?

is cain adams son?

Jesse thats true, it takes more then just believing in him....He has to know us, ...Thats when that good seed is sown in our hearts....Thats y its so important that he knows us....They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin

.....If he does not know us there is no seed sown in our hearts ...Thus no Child of PROMISE which is the H.G. the CHILD of PROMISE The Kingdom

......When Jesus was in Jerusalem many BELIEVED in him when they saw the miracles he did...But Jesus did not commit himself unto them b/c he knew what was in MAN and needed that not any should testify of man....Thats y he was saying you must be converted and become as a lil Child...Which is the Child of Promise the H.G...Our new birth... John 2 : 23 kjv

.....The only way we can be bornagain is by his seed which is his WORD....As Peter says being bornagain if an incorruptible seed etc...Even by the words of God....The living word which is spirit and life....Thus he has to know us which is an intimacy that results in a birth of Christ in us.

.....Thats the New Covenant...I will know them ALL from the least to the greatest....And thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains... Jeremiah 30 : 6 kjv

This intimacy is the Knowledge that is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas....As he is gonna know all men... Isaiah 11 : 9..Kjv.....27 times in the O.T. the prophets saw the world in travail and birth pains.

.....The Child is the H.G. that Child of Promise the Kingdom....Unless ya receive the kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....Thats y he has to know us....Just believing is not enought....Satan believes and is not saved...ok

Joe In my years as a believer I have seen many a time where one or other of a married unbelieving couple get born again

and the believer tries or pushes their spouse to believe. Absolutely unbiblical because who saves people jesus Christ via

Gods word and that by seeing the love of God demonstrated. When you walk in Gods love [agapeo spiritual] which the highest

action of love we walk in what GOD IS PERFECT LOVE which is what was displayed by Jesus Christ i.e. those who have seen

me have seen the father. The corinthian churh dealt with all types of unbelief and division which Paul by revealed knowledge

from God addressed. Chapter 7:1-16 deals with single believers and marriage whether one is a believer or both. God

instituded marriage Genesis 2:23=24 therefore why would God won't to divide what he desired. Now if a person in a marriage

get born again and the spouse wants to split, the born again one is not held accoutable for someone elses unbelief. Look at

Gods love if one or the other splits look at verse 15 if the unbeliever leaves we are not in bondage but are calles to peace.

The other side of the coin if husband or wife is a believer God Does want that to break up verses 13+14. The heart of

God is not division but peace healing love grace and mercy all possible by walking on his Word. We don't push or compell or

condemn we love with agapeo.

Dear Joe

My understanding of that is as follows:

1 Corinthians 7:16

"For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?"

Paul advices christians not to separate if wife/husband is a unbeliever because staying with wife/husband may lead to their salvation.

But (and this is of great importance but is often delibareately ommited to teach)if they separate they cannot be married again.

Verses 10-11 "And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

But and if she depart (permitted only due to adultery), let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife."

GBU

Kenaket,

God does draw people to Christ. From there, it's up to the individual as to whether or not they will receive Him for salvation, or want to get away from Him. The individual must receive Jesus in order to be saved. ( John 6:44)