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Reply to Postmyers567:

The events recorded in Revelation 11 are still in our future, not in our past.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Amen, Amen & Amen. KJV all the way! God inspired, man written, original words.

Hi Phil.

Part 2.

Here's a similar argument between the Desciples in Acts 15:5-11. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

NOW THEREFORE WHY TEMPT YE GOD, TO PUT A YOKE UPON THE NECK OF THE DISCIPLES, WHICH NEITHER OUR FATHERS NOR WE WERE ABLE TO BEAR?

But we believe that THROUGH THE GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WE SHALL BE SAVED,

( EVEN AS THEY.)

God bless.

Hi Phil.

I concur Steve.

The Law was given to Israel. The law given was to convict us of sin.

2 Corinthians 3:6-14.

Galatians 3:11-13.

Romans 7:4-5.

Romans 7:9-10.

Some aspects of the Law such as the Sabbath pointed to Christ work on the Cross that would free us from the curse of the Law. " Death"

Colossians 2:11-17.

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH DAYS:

HERE'S. THE KEY IN VERSE 17.

Vs.17) "Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

Israel "as a nation" regects Christ work on the cross so as of now the have yet to join in that rest.( Yet they honor the Sabbath!)

Please study Hebrews 4:2-11.

That rest comes after salvation. Not to obtain it.

If one wants to observe the sabbath go ahead, but if you do it to earn salvation you fall in the same unbelief as Israel.

The Galatians was warned of the same thing in Galatians 5:4. "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."

Salvation is not for sell its a gift. Ephesians 2:8-9. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Another commandment in addition to the blood on the door posts in Egypt and the scarlet thread was they had to remain in the house. The scarlet thread and blood did no good if they went outside their house. I liken this to we have to keep the commandments of Christ and abide in his house or the blood will not avail anything. St. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Brother Steve:

The PROPHETS, remember.

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant (Christ), whom I (the Father) uphold; mine (the Father's) elect (Christ), in whom my (the Father's) soul delighteth; I (the Father) have put my spirit upon him (Christ); HE (Christ) shall bring forth judgement to the Gentiles.

Isaiah 42:6 I the Lord (the Father) have called thee (Christ) in righteousness, and (I the Father) will hold thy (Christ's) hand, and give thee (Christ) for a covenant of the people, and a LIGHT to the GENTILES.

Christ not PAUL.

Paul was just the instrument of CHRIST.

Isaiah had already prophecied that the Jews would reject Christ.

Christ came to the Jews first to fulfill PROPHECY.

Isaiah 6:9 And he said, Go and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not, and see ye indeed and perceive not.

Matthew 13:14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand, and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive.

God Bless YOU.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, thJohn 14:16. at he may abide with you FOR EVER!!

A Lovely verse.

Israel futurist have to deal with these verses, they try to spiritualize them and say they are referring to false believers but that's not what the scriptures say.. it says Jews referring to racial Hebrew Jewish Israelites

Acts 13:42 and 44 in no way say Paul commanded to keep the sabbath.

Paul says no day should be set above another in this age.

Paul teaches the opposite of what you said for this age Col 2:16.

Of course Jesus preached the sabbath he was a Jew and kept the Law.

Please read Gal 1-3, Eph 1-3 and Col 1-3 to understand Paul's gospel.

It is not the same as what Jesus taught.

Paul's gospel is called a mystery (secret) and was faith ALONE in the finished work of the cross.

Jesus nor the 12 taught this.

Read Peters sermon in Acts 2-3, he teaches the cross as a murder indictment.

Please read Jer 31:31-34, Eze 36:21-28 and Heb 8:8-10

The New Covenant belongs to "Israel and Judah"

This is the clear teaching of scripture, I understand this is not what church tradition teaches.

Paul says we SHOULD love another, Jesus taught that loving one another was REQUIRED for salvation.

The book of 1 John is clear loving was REQUIRED.

Jesus mistered to Israel the gospel of the kingdom. (Israel's prophesied and promised earthly kingdom.)

Paul ministers to ALL the gospel of the grace of God, and it was a mystery.

Please do a word study on the word Mystery.

All old testament prophecy's are fulfilled in Christ as Jesus stated.. Lu 24:44 (KJV) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

the great tribulation your referring to happened already in 70 A.D. The destruction of Jerusalem. which Jesus predicted..

Mt 24:1 (KJV) And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mt 24:2 (KJV) And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Jesus also said there will never be another time like that..... Mt 24:21 (KJV) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Malachi 4:5-6 is a clear reference to John the Baptist

Mal 4:5 (KJV) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

Mal 4:6 (KJV) And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Lu 1:16 (KJV) And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

Lu 1:17 (KJV) And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Hi Steve,

Yes, Jesus did send Paul to preach Christs Gospel - not a different gospel!

Paul and all of the apostles observed God's 10 Commandments per the scriptures.

Paul and the Apostles taught both Jews and Gentiles to follow God's Commandments, including the 4th Commandment, Keep holy the Sabbath Day.

Acts 13:42

"And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath."

Acts 13:44

"And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God."

Under the "New Covenant" which is the Church of Jesus Christ, consists of Jews and Gentiles, and they are all treated the same! No difference. Remember the Gentiles were a wild olive tree. The believing Gentiles branches from the wild olive tree have been grafted into the original Jewish olive tree. Those that produce good fruit can stay in place and thrive. If a branch does not produce it is broken off and burned.

Jesus Christ asks us to keep the Commandments. John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." How can we say we love Jesus, but then we don't try our best to follow the Commandments? The answer" You can't love Jesus and NOT keep "The Commandments"!

As Christian's (Christ Followers) we need to pick up our crosses and follow Jesus, and in doing so, pray that the Holy Spirit will help us along, in the ongoing struggle to follow all of Jesus/God's commands! This then, would be in conformance with the scripture, that show us that Paul, Peter, and all of the Apostles had their own personal struggles to follow and keep God's Commandments.

In summary, Paul does not cancel anything that Jesus taught and instructed in His Gospel.

GB you

Jesus will return a second time ?

You are free to believe what you wish. The Bible does not teach what you said. Church tradition teaches this. please do a word search on the word Gentile/Gentiles in the NT. Paul is your Apostle because the Bible says so over and over not me. Matt 10:5-6, Matt 15:24. The entire OT teaches that when Israel accepts it's Messiah then Israel would be a light to the Gentiles. This is what Jesus came to be; Israel's Messiah. When Israel rejected Christ, Jesus called Paul specifically to be the minister to the Gentiles, because Jesus did not minister to Gentiles other than one exception when a Gentile showed great faith. Rom 15:8, Rom 15:16.

I guess o didn't explain what I meant well enough. Yes literally she thinks bodily that Jesus is already on this earth and that we have to be totally Holy in our carnel bodies if we are to be able to enter Heaven.

Dear Steve,

I, for one, believe that Jesus is our Teacher (the ultimate "apostle" sent by God) to show us the way of salvation. His words are for me and all people, not just for the Jews. To replace Jesus with Paul as our main teacher is a slap in the face to our Lord who sacrificed Himself for us. Paul's teachings uphold the teachings of Jesus, not supersede them nor replace them.

Barbara,

I found a good explanation of "holy" on the site "Got Questions"

What does it mean that God is holy? and also an article you can click on at the bottom of this article mentioned that speaks about how believers are called to be holy. I recommend reading it.

Reply to Postmyers 567: Elijah has yet to come to preach in the tribulation as predicted by Malachi.

Barbara,

If I may share something with you on the word holy. First, I would like to say that there's some truth to what this person is saying. If you remember years ago, a bracelet they were selling with the letters WWJD on it? It stood for What Would Jesus Do. At first I thought that would be something "cool" to wear. I mean, what would Jesus do if He were in my situation? But since then, I found out the entire message read "What would Jesus do if He were here." Well, now that WWJD message does not sit right with me. Why? Because He is here. I know He's not here physically, but He's here in the form of His Spirit, and He lives in me.

The word holy, the word saint, the word sanctify, and the word sanctification all come from the same Greek word (HAGIOS). The word HAGIOS means to be set apart. As believers who have been born of God's Spirit, we are holy, or set apart. But please know that being holy has nothing to do with our human performance. Many see the word holy and think it's something we must strive to be, and they put forth a lot of effort to become holy, or "Christlike." and they work hard at it. But being holy simply means that we have been set apart for God's purposes.

We who have received Christ have been sanctified (HAGIOS/set apart), we are saints by calling (HAGIOS/set apart), and we are holy (HAGIOS/set apart). Again, being holy has nothing to do with human performance. It is God's Spirit in us that has made us holy, and it is God's Spirit in us that God will see one day when we stand before Him.

That may be why this person is saying we must be holy to enter into heaven, not because of anything we've done, but because the Spirit that lives in us, He is holy. God makes us holy by giving us His Spirit, setting us apart from the world, and using us for His glory

Without knowing what this person truly believes, I cannot say one way or another that I can fully agree or disagree. I just wanted to share my thoughts on the word holy.

God Bless!!!

I appreciate your explanation. Very good. Thank you!

Heb 4:3 (KJV) For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 (KJV) For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Heb 4:5 (KJV) And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Heb 4:6 (KJV) Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Heb 4:7 (KJV) Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Heb 4:8 (KJV) For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

Malachi 4 is speaking of Christs first coming and the destruction of jerusalem which are connected together...its a remarkable chapter...

verse 1

For, Behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven - The destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 A.D.

And all the proud - This is in reference to Mal 3:15 of the preceding chapter.

The day that cometh shall burn them up - Either by famine, by sword, or by captivity. All those rebels shall be destroyed.

It shall leave them neither root nor branch - A proverbial expression for total destruction. Neither man nor child shall escape.

verse 5

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet - This is meant alone of John the Baptist, as we learn from Lu 1:17, in whose spirit and power he came.

There are three remarkable predictions in this chapter: -

1. The advent of John Baptist, in the spirit and authority of Elijah.

2. The manifestation of Christ in the flesh, under the emblem of the Sun of righteousness. verse 2

3. The final destruction of Jerusalem, represented under the emblem of a burning oven, consuming every thing cast into it.

These three prophecies, relating to the most important facts that have ever taken place in the history of the world, announced here nearly four hundred years before their occurrence, have been most circumstantially fulfilled.

Dear brother.

Are you implying that all 4 gospels by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John are actually Old Testament? So the teachings in Matthew 5-7 are OT teachings? Didn't Jesus change the commandements of OT, by often saying "it was said in the old times...but I say"? Why did He change commandements that were valid for about 1500 years? Just to be valid for the next 3 1/2 years and then... end...the grace begins?(assuming that they were still OT teachings) Sorry but this doesn't seem right to me. Changing the commandements shows a change in Testament. Jesus came for the Jews really, to reveal them the grace that was to come and the commandements of God that accompany this grace. Later the apostles, mainly Paul, preached about this same grace to all nations.

Of course the promises given to Israel were actually different from those given to the church. The promises given to Israel were of the form "If you obey Me, then I will bless you with health, riches, possesions etc ...material promises, since salvation and eternal life were yet to be revealed. The promise given to the church is mainly eternal life through the sacrifice of Jesus, but still God is our Father that takes care all of our needs, material and spiritual. Of course we go through difficult situations in life but God promises that we are going to be winners if we rely on Him. There are so many verses about this in the Gospel and I am not going to go over them. I think you need to see the Gospel in a different perception.

GBU

Amen, nothing compares

The definitions came from the bibles use of the words, the scriptures are provided, and if you read your bible you would know that national Israel received their land promises..

Dear Sir:

I just finished the last book of the Old Testament. Malachi is an interesting book. You know what I dont quite understand when the bible talks about the Earth will dissolve away and the Sun will refuse to shine. Does this mean that the Earth and the Sun will melt like a straw in the furnis. The scientist say we have a million years left. Could this be the rapture where all the good are taken and the rest are left? Like Noahs ark? Noah only needed what he needed.

Martha let me give ya my take on Spirits...The Father and the son are one but 2 distinct beings....Like in the natural the father is greater then his son....But in time the Son becomes equal to his father...And the Father loves it so....He thought it not robbery to be equal to his Father..But he does say that my Father is greater then I...Only the Son died, not his father so they are 2 disctinct beings but both God....When David said the Lord said unto my Lord sit thou at my right hand till i make your enemies your footstool....That 1 lil Scripture proves 2 distinct beings...Both God...This Father and Son relationship begs the Question of a Granson (a heavenly Jacob) and equally important an Israel of God that is gonna be as the stars of heaven in multitiude....Just as Natural Israel was multiplied as the Sands of the Seas...The Israel of GOD is gona be multiplied as the stars of heaven ...Which are spirits ...But these things are hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto Babes...The H.G. the Granson...That which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. The Granson....That Heavenly Jacob as in Isaiah 49

.....Without this Abrahamic Trinity....Father, Son and Granson scenario....There cd not have been the 12 tribes....That resulted in the nation of Israel...Like wise in the spiritual realm there has to be an Israel of God....There has to be a perfect Israel....Be ye PERFECT as your father in heaven is PERFECT....Thats y Jesus will go forth to sow his PERFECT seed in humanity....Which are Spirits, The contents of that BOOK..in the fathers right hand...That New Covenant...Which will result in the BABES and SUCKLINGS...The Gransons ...Which are Spirits the H.G...Many as the stars of Heaven...Which answers to our New hearts and new Spirits...an Israel of God...That cannot sin simply b/c they are born of God via that good seed of Christ Jesus....That was the Great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of Heaven..We be the woman in birth pains.

The Book of Deuteronomy chapter 11 is the one I was remembering. It has all the verses about parents teaching their children the Bible.

A lot of people ask about Lot and what he allowed to happen. I wonder why.

This might be one to add to the new site for numerous posts on a subject. I have a folder in notes, called People of the Bible. Might be a good topic on the KJV room :D

It is the prophet speaking.

Fab post Mishael , thank you .

Yes Fred , ALL things are possible with God , this is one of the reasons that we should not judge and condemn others ,it's not our place to put a limit on God's mercy and say to anyone ' you are going to hell ' . We are not God . We don't have the authority to judge and condemn others , we should be vessels of peace and love , we can warn others if we know that they are putting themselves at risk with their behaviours or beliefs but we must do it in love , our knowledge is finite , God's knowledge is infinite . Thanks for all your great posts , keep it up please , much love in Christ .