Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 651

Does the Bible tell us, we will be Raptured before Tribulation or after Tribulation ? Does Jesus come to earth twice or three times ? 1. The first time as a baby, and our Savior. 2. The second time He will come in all his Glory in the clouds where everyone on earth will look up even the dead in Christ will rise up to see him. When Jesus comes, this is a very Big deal, He will gather all of us up in the air, then he will destroy the earth & make a new earth for all of those who have been saved by Salvation through Jesus Christ. Or, the first time come as our Savior. 2. Second time comes in the clouds to take us with him in Heaven. 3. Then Jesus comes back to earth the third time to burn up the earth to make a new earth. Thank you for your answer.

Yes my Dear brother Marke. This is true, but why say this? We are all sinners in this world but when we find the Father and Jesus and try to walk in righteousness thru FAITH we are all forgiven. The Lord knows all mans (444) Hearts. Even yours.

When the adulteress women was found guilty what did Jesus say? He said let him who has never sinned cast the first stone. Now Jesus who had never sinned, did he accuse this women or put her to Death? No he forgave her of her sins and asked her to sin no more.

Jesus came into her life and if this happened to you would you Sin again or at least try to walk righteous in approval of the Lord?

Romans 3:25.

It is up to US all not to accuse or judge but to Praise the Gospel and TEACH it so all become touched by our FAITH thus trying to do no wrong anymore and walk so we and others are irreproachable (423). Blameless, Unrebukeable.

Blessed Marke Brother.

What were the Kings of Israel commanded # 1 do not have much gold #2 not many wives # 3 not many horses; king Solomon violated all three- Gold was on everything He measured it by the tons; it become just a command thing Inflation[ not many wives Solomon had 750 and 300 concubines Here again ,if you marry the kings daughters, no war the kings will even pay Israel' later in life King Solomon was told by his princesses king Solomon you are so wise,you have the Temple to worship in ;I don't have anything to worship in, i don't have anyplace to remind me of my lord- King Solomon was old now and gave permission ,He helped build it; THE VERY THING THat false prophet Balam told ki; Balak I can not curse what God has blessed; King Solomon was given the task build my temple because of his father King David; The Lord said Solomon because you have done the very things ;I will strip the temple and the land from you,but your sons will tear it apart;

where actually is the river Pison and land of Havilah located?

There appear to be multiple layers to this story. The "waiting to be delivered" as stated in the other comment could be the birth pangs so to speak of the nation of Israel during the Tribulation. Of course there was a literal persecution during the time of Christ where the leader attempted to wipe out all children two years and under ( Jeremiah 31:15; and Matthew 2). The manchild being dtaken to heaven could represent Christ; but also the raptured church according to some theories. The "remnant of her seed" ( Rev. 12:17) could be the rest of the believers in Israel; and perhaps others during the Tribulation who are preserved physically.

Ultimately; even with most dying on earth a remnant survive in hiding during the Tribulation to make it into the Millennium dispensation. In all these cases the dragon aka Satan is working behind the scenes attempting to wipe out the physical seed of Israel; totally destroy their land and heritage and to usurp authority and worship to himself. In one sense; we are all part of the Body of Christ; or ijn some sense Godly offspring originating from Christ who is our head ( Ephesians 1).

It should be kept in mind; that the seal judgments are opened by Christ Himself; John wept when he saw that no one was worthy to open the seals. The death of 1/4 of the earth would involve 1.5 billion; with todays population. There has never been such a huge loss of life; whether that means everyone dies in a quarter of the earth; or more likely it is spread through the earth. These judgments in no way imply large scale warfare which seem to occur later in the trumpet judgments but hand to hand combat (sword) that also may imply ethnic type conflicts. These like later judgments are ALL after the Rapture and part of what occurs in the time of Jacob's trouble or the 7 year tribulation.

The trumpet judgments involving demons being released and lead to the beginning of the mark of the beast period in the last half of the Tribulation could be called "Satan's wrath" although that goes on to his failed attempt to go after Christ at Armageddon. Ultimately; Satan fails completely; all those who take the mark and are damned already were not in the Book of Life as preordained by God; so he doesn't succeed in drawing away any who were predestined to follow Christ. He is a tool in God's hands.

The judgments from heaven begin in the Trumpet period and are maxed out in the bowl judgments. In a sense though even the deception of the 1st Seal is by God's plan to deceive those who are of the earth so to speak. The real differentiation is when those who have taken the mark are complete and beyond the point of no return. Thus; after His chosen of Israel (1/3) go through the fire; and finally worship Christ at His second coming and all the fellowservants have been martyred there is no more chastisement through punishments; only wrath without remedy. I see the martyrdom as a quick way to bring forth fruit (Tribulum in latin). It brings the wheat quickly to harvest; i.e. those of His own not bearing fruit now before the Rapture; or new believers then.

Hey Doug,

Prophecy reveals the consequences of obedience and disobedience. Prophecy reveals God's will, He wants all to receive His gift of salvation. Prophecy warns the lost to repent and it establishes the Bible's credibility. When looking at and studying prophecy, God's word (scripture) the Holy Spirit is the interpreter we are not. Prophecy is generally understood after it has been fulfilled, it confirms the word of God, and the prophet is of God.

The book of Daniel is like the book of Revelation both are full of symbolism. Much of the book of Daniel has been fulfilled so I don't believe I would call it an OT version of Revelation.

What I have found, with a cleared mind of preconceived ideas and having ears to hear the Holy Spirit we can understand the truth of prophecy, but there are things we will not know because it has not been revealed. But if we are still here when it begins, we will know, and in the faith of our Lord Jesus, we will be given the strength to withstand what is coming.

This is probably not the answer you were looking for. I do not know how you take Revelation as a tip it is not written in chronological order. It is like the visions John was shown went back and forth in time. Others may disagree but that is the understanding I have received.

May the Holy Spirit be your guide. If you get to a point, I have been there, you feel like a dog chasing its tail, just read, like the gospels or Paul you will be surprised the answer you were looking for will pop up like the letters were ten times larger and not even where you think the answer would be.

God bless,

RLW

Can you show me in the Bible (New Testament) where it says a person's name in the Book of Life will not be erased since Jesus Christ died for our sins:? What about promiscuous ( sin one knows is sin, but cannot kick the habit?

the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel

The Bible at no time ever said the saints will go through the tribulation period. if you read the bible Daniel is talking about HIS PEOPLE THE JEWS. the church will be raptured. once the church is raptured God will go back to dealing with the Nation of Israel. The Assyrian Antichrist will kill the saints(Jews who come to christ) those who escape will flee to the mountains. they will call out to Yeshua to save them. Zechariah 14 says when Christ returns his feet will split the mount of olives. he will provide a path for the jews to escape.

Thank you!

I know there are different points of view on when the Rapture is going to be.

The bible says that all the elect/saints/saved people will go through tribulation, even when Daniels 70th Week starts.

The first half is Satan's Wrath not GODS.

GODS Wrath doesn't start till the seventh seal is opened.

Am I right?

The woman in Revelation 12, is she

Eve

Israel

Or Mary,

I think she is Eve.

Am I right?

Thank you, and

Have a blessed day

Doug

Hi Thea,

I believe it was a literal fruit and likely a fruit type that was native to that area. Apples, bananas, watermelon, etc. aren't native and are unlikely. Figs, dates, grapes, olives, pomegranates, for example, are native in my understanding, and seem more likely to have been the fruit tree. Of course the Garden of Eden was special and may have contained every fruit imaginable, but I just don't think it seems as likely Eve bit into a Washington-state grown Red Delicious Apple.

Daniel 8, Daniel 11, & Revelation,

In your study maybe include: Daniel 12, continuing from Daniel 11.

Also : Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17:20-37, Luke 18:8, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, John 16:33, 1Thessalonians, 2Thessalonians, Zephaniah 1:14,15, Ezekiel 30:3, Amos 5:18-20, 2Timothy 3,

Isaiah 24,

Daniel 7, encouraging= Daniel 7:25-26,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study & discussion

What is verse 3 implying, "Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power?" At what particular time or specific activity "...in the day of thy power" happen?

Thanks.

Psalms 6:6-9

"I was greatly troubled in my groaning. I will bathe my bed and my cover each night with my tears. I have become old in the midst of all my enemies. Depart from me, all you who work at lawlessness, for behold the lord has heard the cry of my weeping and the lord has heard my prayer."

That long, horrible gaze into God's ugly mirror, the image of which becomes clean only through a myriad of flowing tears, and God's infinite grace and mercy.

Psalm 56:8-9

"You have taken account of my wanderings. Put my tears in Your bottle- are they not in Your book? Then my enemies will retreat on the day I cry for help. By this I will know that God is on my side."

Exegesis on the Soul - Nag Hammadi Scriptures

Psalm 103:1-5

"Praise the lord, O my soul and all that is within me, praise his holy name. My soul, praise God, who forgave all your sins, who healed all your sicknesses, who ransomed your life from death, who crowned you with mercy, who satisfies your longing with good things. Your youth will be renewed like an eagle's."

Hey Clois,

I will try to keep it short; this is my understanding.

We see at the end of Revelation 12 in the original text the dragon is standing on the sand and the first beast comes up out of the sea (abyss/bottomless pit). In Revelation 13 the dragon (Satan) gives this beast his seat, power, and great authority to this beast, and he makes war with the saints and overcomes them. He is given 42 months = 1260 days = 3 years. There is also in the site of this first beast another beast with two horns, the false prophet.

In Revelation 11:3 the two witnesses will prophesy 1260 days the same amount of time as the two beasts (great tribulation) the image people are made to worship, the mark to be able to buy or sell, and the killings of those that reject, (the hour of temptation).

In Revelation 11:7-8 this beast that comes out of the bottomless pit kills the two witnesses in the "city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt," (Jerusalem). This same beast we see in Revelation 9 and Revelation 17.

In Revelation, there are three the dragon (Satan), the first beast, and the false prophet (the second beast). If we go by the description of antichrist the only place in the bible given by John in 1 John 2:18,22 1 John 4:3 and 1 John 1:7 there are billions, not just one.

Hope this helps,

God bless,

RLW

I have been studying on my own since January 2014, the book of Revelation and Daniel.

And I have come to the conclusion that the book of Daniel is an old testament version of the book of Revelation, is this true?

Would like to have a group discussion on Revelation & Daniels 70th Week, if anyone would like to?

Douglas Borchard,

This prophecy gives the precise time of the first coming of the Messiah. You will receive different understandings of this, it is a study that will take much time. this is just a little information you may use to help your study.

Many put the last week of this prophecy at the end times. It is used for the 7 years of tribulation, a peace treaty with the antichrist (he in verse 27) for 3 1/2 years then 3 years of great tribulation with the taking of the church somewhere between (pre, mid, post).

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, (70 weeks, 70 x 7 = 490 solar years or 483 prophetic years) on the house of Israel (Daniel's people) and the holy city (Jerusalem). It started from "the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem", make a note, that the rebuilding of the temple is not in this prophecy.

Here are a few verses that may help your study and if this prophecy has been fulfilled or not.

1. To finish the transgression Isaiah 53:5, 8 Isaiah 53:11 Hebrews 9:15-18

2. To make an end of sins Matthew 1:21 Hebrews 10:8-11 John 1:29 1 Corinthians 15:3

1 John 3:5 Psalm 32 Romans 8:3

3. To make reconciliation for iniquity Colossians 1:20-22 Isaiah 53:6 Isaiah 53:11 Ephesians 2:16 ( Titus 2:14 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

4. To bring in everlasting righteousness Romans 5:17-21 Romans 3:21-26 1Peter 2:24

2 Corinthians 5:21 Isaiah 61:10-11

5. To seal up vision and prophecy Daniel 9:23 John 6:27 Mark 1:14-15 Acts 3:18

John 5:36-40 Matthew 11:11-15

6. To anoint the most holy Hebrews 8:1-12 Hebrews 9:6-14

The six things that were determined on Daniel's people and the holy city in this 70-week prophecy; did the Messiah/Jesus fulfill?

God bless,

RLW

View points on Daniels 70th Week?

The two witnesses show up at the time when the antichrist causes the abomination of desolation, between the 5th Seal and the 6th Seal and that is also when the Great Tribulation starts.

My best advice is pray for your brother. God may very well use him to reveal shortcomings on your part; but you need to sift through the truth and eliminate either judging yourself in an overly harsh manner or holding resentment to this brother. Prayer would also help to assess his motives as to whether he is actually concerned about you or just trying to be self righteous to cover other errors in his own life. If there is no "iron sharpening iron" but mainly one sided criticism perhaps you should try to reduce time spent with him. The other issue is how much of this if any affects directly commitments made with him directly; or any social circles that you and he share as joint ministry commitments.

Hope that gets you started in the right direction.

Agape. Rich P

Dear Donya: The passage in Ephesians 4 is one passage; 1 Corinthians 12 and Romans 12:6 are others. Laying on of hands is indicated in 1 and 2 Timothy as well.

When we see the fruits of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22 we find something which should characterize believers in our new nature. To grow to maturity; we need to have this going on along with the supernatural manifestations with our character development as well. The fact that the greatest of all things is love sort of sums everything up. Also; the fact that edification of the Body is a primary purpose for gifts ( Eph 4:11-12); as well as putting the fear of God in people ( 2 Cor. 14:22) doesn't eliminate the fact that it is better to have a clear message; as well as the fact that all our works are meaningless; even martyrdom without love. Tongues are one of those tricky issues; I am not a cessationist myself; but also realize that almonst nowhere I've been has there been interpretations of tongues; and certainly not consistently. Such a gift I believe in prayer is for self-edification; and in corporate worship for the sake of others in the Body. Discernment is surely underrated and sorely needed today; but many who are immature or tares ignore the sober warnings of those who can perceive intrusions of the enemy in the midst of the assembly. Building up one another in our society of "rugged individualism" doesn't seem to have much importance; hence we have a prosperity gospel which is shallow in doctrine; and manifestations which often are clearly demonic with rolling on the floor; and other uncontrolled behaviours. Keeping in mind John 16:8 as to the affects of a TRUE influx of the Spirit of God is a sobering reminder we need to heed to. As to Prophetic words; a warning of a famine or death such as in Paul's case isn't exactly a "politically correct" utterance; nonetheless true Prophets aren't out to tickle men's ears. And the giver of the gifts must always take prescidence over the gifts.

The one thing that we have to remember is that GOD can be in many different places at once. And Jesus Christ was GOD manifested in the flesh. So it wouldn't be impossible for everyone to see him at the same time all over the world in the clouds.

I agree no one should raise children under those conditions if possible. But let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to their only companion. Matthew 9:18

Hi Gerry , Proverbs Ch 15 V 1 , there is a saying ' kill them with kindness ' , no not literally smiley face , I have found that when some one is a bit sharp with me I try very hard to reply to them kindly and meekly , more often than not , this makes them aware of their own sharpness and they are usually embarrassed , give it a go , maybe he was just having a bad day ?

This is an outstanding observation in my opinion. Such is the nature; of many prosperity preachers today who invoke the name of Jesus but want to live their way with greed; adultery and other such sins and expect God's blessings to occur. What has to be assessed is the state of their souls in general if they are truly saved (in the case of Pharaoh clearly NOT); and whether they are asking to satisfy their own lusts ( James 4:3). This pattern also shows up with the Pharisees who think because they are the physical descendants of Abraham somehow they are God's children. It also is sort of illustrated with Judas Iscariot and in fact; all the tares who want to benefit from the influence of being in the presence of Jesus; but ultimately when confronted with their own sinful state only want to avoid the CONSEQUENCES rather than admit to offending a Holy God. Such is the case for the unregenerate who will bow down and acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord on Judgment Day but alas; too late for their souls to be saved.

Those who are in this temporal state such as the rich man (unnamed) in the parable Jesus told with Lazarus correctly pointing out certain verses (albeit with their own twist) on God's financial blessings. In their case; it is likely Satan who provides such benefits; whether through their own inheritance; or ill gotten gains through the world financial system or ripping people off. The pagans often would credit their false gods for their prosperity; with some fearing the true God while simultaneously worshipping idols. There is no indication that Moses blessed Pharaoh; he seemed to admit powerlessness over the plagues but whenever there was relief his heart would immediately harden. He also admitted he had sinned at one point; but clearly showed no sign of true repentance. These bargaining games with God clearly show man attempting to gain favor by his own righteousness; but pride comes before a fall. Such vainglory clearly does not bless a man