Bible Questions & Discussion PAGE 694

Tom,

There is nothing in those three verses that describe a saved person losing their salvation. First of all, an enlightened person does not mean that that person is saved. John 1:9 tells us that every person coming into this world is enlightened to the truth. But everyone does not have the same response to the enlightenment. Some receive Christ, and some don't. Hebrews 6:4-6 is talking about those who were participating with believers, they were being enlightened to the truth, but they walked away from it. It doesn't say anything about them ever surrendering their lives to Christ.

We have people in our churches today, who look, and act, and talk, and believe just like a normal believer. They learn the language and learn the doctrines, and learn the lingo and say "praise the Lord," and they can learn how to put Jesus bumper stickers on their car correctly, and then one day they just disappear.

Did they lose their salvation? No, they were never saved at all and that is why they left. 1 John 2:19 says, "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

John says the reason why they left us is because they really were not one of us, because if they were one of us they would have remained with us. This would fit in with Hebrews 6:4-6. Also, if we understand the Parable of the Sower, it helps us to see who the the writer of Hebrews is talking about. They are not saved individuals who lost their salvation. They were there being enlightened to the truth just like everyone else. It's how they responded to that enlightenment. They either received Christ and were saved, or they walked away from that enlightenment, never being saved. And Hebrews 6:4-6 says the fell away. That was their response to the enlightenment. They never got saved.

One of those moments when you read and the KJV and you see something that startles you. BOTH individuals being crucified with Jesus reviled him; meaning the one that was saved, right before he was saved, actually called Jesus out in a derogatory manner? Mark 15:32. Am I missing something? All along I thought it was only the thief on the left?

Hi Tom,

The verses do not mean you can lose Salvation. The doctrines teaching that Christians lose Salvation is Lordship Salvation from Calvinism and very contrary to true Christianity. The meaning of Hebrews 6:4-6: There were Christians that were known in this time who had heard the true word of Salvation and it's thought some even made a false profession to accepting Christ as their Savior. Deep down, although they follow Christians and went through the motions...they were not saved and their works (fruits of their Salvation) were shown as reprobate. Thus, this is why they were marked as fallen away. This is no different than Judas Iscariot who'd followed Jesus, walked with the other disciples, professed Christ but deep down had never accepted Him.

The great Bible teacher, Dr. Ray Stanford (1916-2012) said, "The moment you are saved, you become a member of the body of Christ. If you could ever become unsaved, part of Christ's own body would go to hell"

Think about that.

Also consider this, the Gift of Salvation is given of God to man through Christ Jesus. We didn't die for sin and set anyone free. Anything man builds or gives can be taken away. But, not the things of God. God will never and has never "removed" His free gift of Salvation when it's genuine. That's a Calvinistic lie.

The assertation that one can lose Salvation is the belief that one was saved by works and not by Grace.

If I cannot do good works to get saved, then how can I do bad works to lose salvation? Neither would have been saved in the first place and they would be those in Hebrews 6:4-6.

John 5:24 states: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

Jesus said in John 10:28, "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

I have to admit I have never read the Quran; therefore, I cannot speak on it. However, as a Child of God, I've never been led to read it or follow anyone but JESUS. God wrote the living word of the BIBLE and I have read it, somewhat studied it, and hopefully live to God's pleasing. With that said right there, and as a Christian, you drive a moot point for a Christian; for I cannot serve two Gods/masters:

Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

The BIBLE is the Living Word of God and is ONE Master/Holy Trinity. I'm sorry, but Muhammad/man doesn't decide who is "glorified" and get to write his own bible. From what little I have learned about Muhammad, he took similar teachings of God/Jews and manipulated them for his own following but claimed God; hence the conversation, division, and another book called the Quran.

This is why there's only ONE GOD and ONE BIBLE --anything outside of this is deception or false. Sometimes it's so simple, but leave it to man to complicate/manipulate.

I pray that you will ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you and His truth, not Muhammad's.

Besides that, and here's the common sense of God's simplicity; where is Muhammad's name in God's book? Link

On top of that you call him a "prophet," but yet God has no "Muhammad" in His book --that speaks volumes to me. Case closed. I pray it will you too.

Truth Matters

Tom,

Jesus lays out in plain easy to understand words in his gospel, and throughout the scripture, how we shall actually receive salvation, and how he expects us to live our lives.

I believe this one small scripture - spoken by Jesus really sums it up:

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

If we ignore Jesus, he will not know us.

Matthew 7:21

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

Jesus says point blank: Only those that do the will of the Father will enter into the kingdom of heaven! So, if we are not doing the will of God - will we receive salvation? Jesus tells us no - we will not receive salvation!

Jesus is telling us that we must be obedient, and live our lives according to his Word!

God Bless.

Brother S Spencer:

Who is the BEAST?

The next important question is who is I, is it the writer, who wrote the words, or is it Christ who spoke the words.

This study is going to take a while, because it take lots of references from outer scriptures to come to TRUTH.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns seven crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard .....

Hosea 13:7 Therefore I will be to them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them.

Jeremiah 5:6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evening shall spoil them, and a leopard shall watch over their cities: each one that goeth out thence shall be torn to pieces, because their transgressions are many, and their blackslidings are increased.

Who is the City that the leopard is watching over?

Revelation 3:12 ....and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God ....

Revelation 13:2 .....and his feet as the feet of a bear .......

Hosea 13:8 And I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and I will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild BEAST shall tear them.

Amos 5:19 And if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear meet him, or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall and a serpent bite him.

This BEAST is Christ.

Make your rebuttal, I'm out of characters, and we will try to come to truth of these first one and a half verses, then proceed on.

Cod Bless YOU!

Back in those days Satan was allowed to traverse dimensions de facto for so did GOD. GOD a just, fair righteous GOD for every negative there is a positive. Satan and angels (messengers) good and bad traversed earth unnoticed for they are in our exact image, some are still allowed by GOD Hebrew 13:2. In the temptation of CHRIST, HE ordered Satan behind HIM ( Luke 4:8) and that is where Satan is held by Michael until he is cast out again to be here defacto along with the 7k that refused to be born of woman to reign for 5 months. The 7k fallen angels were here defacto impregnated the women to corrupt the seed of Abraham from which umbilical cord to umbilical cord CHRIST would come. Satan's spirit is still allowed and other evil spirits to possess people but they are no longer allowed to traverse dimensions in person until 6th trump ( Revelation 12:7). We know this because CHRIST and the disciples cast out many. Disciples had trouble with a stubborn one; the lunatic -Satan's very spirit. GOD allows this; for HE wants us to defeat them; CHRIST gave us the power to defeat all our enemies as long as we have CHRIST as head of us. Luke 10:19. If we discern a evil spirit we are to not argue with them but rebuke them Jude 1:9

No scholar here, but a Child of God. I believe God/Jesus's word/prophecy is your answer; Matt 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. This is why were told to be ready. If we knew, can you imagine how that would be manipulated. Plus, it would circumvent faith. I guess the best example as a parent myself, I didn't tell my teenagers exactly how long I'd be gone b/c I didn't want them to calculate that for mischief. But by the same means as parents, we always say, "love you, be back soon, be good."

So, at this point when no man knows and we're warned not to figure it out, I choose to trust. I feel we're "close" (of course, we're always one day closer) more so b/c of technology, the hate for God/Christianity, and unparalleled evil. The world's variables have now become constants for the evil powers that be, that man now can truly play God more than ever and run the WORLD. There are no more frontiers --only world domination. [No. Absolutely not, God will not allow man to MARS or any other planet. I'm already second guessing our moon landing. Soooooo many lies.]

I know our Father will give the OK to pull His church out b/f all hell breaks loose on earth ( Rev 4) --we will not be under world/satan rule b/c we already gave our life the Christ. I truly believe God is using this time wake us and sift us --who is true. If you can't handle today --you won't be with us tomorrow.

At this point, I just want to finish the race and hopefully hear, "Well done my good and faithful daughter." In Christ,

John 19:11;Those who falsely accused HIM will pay for their sin, CHRIST finding no fault in pilot but those who are the false accusers and those who went along with it.

Caiaphas head priest appointed by Romans not GOD; Judas the betrayer delivered to Sanhedrin, Sanhedrin to Pilate; Pilate not innocent but not a murder; CHRIST stating that this was ordained and prophesied for salvation of humanity. All happen just as foretold from even the beginning, 1st prophecy of the Bible.

For me to step on your toe is no sin its an accident, for me to stomp your toe and hurt you is no accident its a sin and a Christian won't stomp your toe. But a Christian may step on your toe by accident. Does it hurt if I step on your toe - YES, could I have avoided it maybe, but I should say i'm sorry and try not to do it again.

Yes Judas was called and chosen ( John 6:70) Judas sold our SAVIOR for $$$ - (went to far no chance to repent), and Peter denied him there are greater sins than others.

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: 32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art (converted), strengthen thy brethren. 62 And Peter went out, and wept bitterly.

man can only reign by grace that was release to him on the cross. When sin comes close to grace, it loses its grip, stamina and power because the power of Grace is greater, stronger and better than Sin. If we have not been able to overcome sin due to our own personal effort, it is time to plug into grace because it will swallow up all disgrace brought by sin.

Back in early days the farmers always built their barn first. That way they could still work, have a place out of weather to sleep, house animals and most importantly a place to store the grain. After they established their business and up and running well, they could then build a nice house.

On spiritual side you do not want to open a church before you even read a Bible, it will fail. First seek GOD, study HIS word so you have a firm foundation then if GOD calls you to build "bethal" HE will even supply you the bricks to do so.

Php 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

GBU Grae....Thank you so much for your encouraging words....I will stay cool amen....You are so right the bible really does speak for US...GBU IN Jesus Name.

First, I'm going to direct you to John 3; Jesus is conversing with a Pharisee that believes Jesus is from God. Jesus explains the person of the Holy Spirit (the 3rd person of the Godhead Romans 1:20 (Father, Son, Holy Spirit)

Jesus is speaking of the Holy Spirit. You must be born again. You cannot perceive him, unless you receive Christ as Savior and Lord. Your heart is a throne. Has the Lord been received? Water Baptism is an outward declaration by you, of an inward change. If we do not read the Bible regularly, we are spiritually at a standstill.

I have a testimony of my Pastor in Tulsa. God sent me to that Church, with driving directions. I saw a blessed Church. The teachings were anointed. I learned like a sponge.

That Pastor went to Africa, saw voodoo; Ate weird food given to him, met witches, called himself an Apostle.

And then I saw him on tv, teaching that there is no hell. His Dad was a happy fun-loving man, his mother was "church mom" very loving too. I think my pastor was freaked over what he perceived was "sin in the house." He judged "holiness" family that had occasional beer or cig.

All I know is that people will walk out on the Grace of God, for love. My Pastor lost his anointing; Oral Roberts and others rebuked him, he lost his house. It was bad.

Pastor is on YouTube teaching various subjects which are pure heresy. No Bible Truth. He became what the rest of Romans 1, teaches on; starting at verse 20-32.

We receive Jesus as Savior and Lord of our lives. His Love and sometimes, correction is not grevious. Jesus is Judge, so don't do any of that. It is Jesus who baptizes us after salvation. He gives to us, the Holy Spirit to be our Teacher of scripture. The Holy Spirit is precious to Jesus. Don't walk away and act like it means nothing. It should hurt us to even think of it. If we feel nothing, we left Jesus long before it actually happened.

Mishael

Predestined read the life .

Thanks again brother S. Spencer for those very worthy comments. As I went through the Scriptures you shared, my mind was directed to another great stalwart of the faith & the Gospel, Gen. William Booth of the Salvation Army. I realize that the Salvos, in these days, seem to have lost that fire that Booth instilled in them, majoring more on the social side of Christianity, but here are a couple of his well-known quotes, written probably towards the end of the 19th Century:

"I consider that the chief dangers which confront the coming century (i.e. the 20th) will be religion without the Holy Ghost, Christianity without Christ, forgiveness without repentance, salvation without regeneration, politics without God, and heaven without hell."

Here we are in the 21st Century: no truer words spoken then - and the world will depart increasingly further away from God, His Son, His Spirit, & the Gospel.

"Most Christians would like to send their recruits to Bible college for five years. I would like to send them to hell for five minutes. That would do more than anything else to prepare them for a lifetime of compassionate ministry."

It has been recorded that he often shared these words to those being prepared for the Gospel ministry - that their vision of perishing souls should not be blurred by the difficult circumstances they would face or the evil bearing upon them.

May the thoughts given in Jude 1:20-25 be our prayer for one another here on this Site, & particularly as we see wickedness in the world run rampant & the thoughts of men are continually evil. Every blessing brother.

I would like to know more about the "Lambs Book of Life." Also Resurrection pertaining to those who are in the Book versus Judgement. Are we truly living in the last days of Nebuchadnezzar in the toes, & Biblical Scholar's, how long is it until JESUS' Return; what is a definite shoe in sign of HIS coming. Thank You & GOD BLESS Sharon*

Hebrews 6:4-6. Does this mean we can lose our salvation?

Hi Earl.

Here's a portion of your quote.

"What happens to those whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the Book of Life?

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world." End quote.

Earl that's not the Lord being worshipped here.

Here's a few previous verses to get the context.

Revelation 13:4-8. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: AND THEY WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

God bless you Earl.

Brother Jesse:

Revelation 13:5 And there was give him (man) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him for forty two months.

One thousand two hundred ninety days. Forty two months. Three and a half years. Christ ministry on earth.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time daily sacrifice shall be taken away (old covenant) and the abomination THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days.

Revelation 11:15 The seventh angel sounded (Christ's resurrection), ....saying, the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for the age of the age.

John 19:30 .....It is finished ......

Hebrews 2:8 ....we see NOT YET all things put under him.

You commented the other day that just because we don't believe, doesn't make it not so.

Christ said he speaks as if all things are done.

We should look at his words as if all things are done.

Hebrews 4:3 For we which believed (his words) do enter into rest ......the works were finished before the foundation of the world.

Philippians 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Romans 14:11 For it is written, AS I live saith the Lord, Every knee shall bow, and every tongues shall confess

to God.

It's this lake of fire (for our God is a consuming fire) that CAUSES Confession to salvation.

I'm out of characters, give your rebuttal and I will respond.

God Bless YOU!

Do you have a verse?

I think out of 458 verses, this one conveys that thought:

James 3:1

My brethren, be not many masters [teachers], knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Hi Diane.

Sometimes when we feel one is letting us down and we feel we don't deserve it we have to think of what Jesus endured in our behalf.

2 Corinthians 5:21. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The Lord of mercy died for us while we were yet sinners! Romans 5:8.

To fully appreciate that, in order for us to do anything for someone we would probably want them to straighten their lives up first. But he's love, rich in mercy, longsuffering and forgiving. That's something we're "naturally not. These are fruit of the Spirit. In Matthew 5:43-44 Jesus is saying what is expected out of believers.

This is Jesus spirit working a work in us. We are continuously pray and grow in grace. It's not something we can manifest on our own.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Earl,

I am trying to figure out what message you are sharing here. You answered your first question using Revelation 20:15, so I get that one. In Revelation 13:8, who is being worshipped? I ask because you capitalized Him. Are you saying that it is Christ who is the one they are worshipping in that verse? Maybe I am just misunderstanding because Verse 7 gives us the answer. Also, I am not sure how Acts 22:1 ties into all this. Can you please clarify for me? Thanks for your time!

"Familiarity breeds contempt." Jesus came back to start his Ministry in his own Home Town. Everybody knew Mary, Joseph (who was now deceased), Jesus's brothers and sisters, the family business

All of a sudden Jesus walks up to the podium, reads Isaiah 61:1, from later named Luke 4:18.

Closes the Scroll and says, "Today in your hearing the scripture is fulfilled."

Of course there was a riot. A hometown boy just said the impossible. They sought to stone Jesus.

If Mary and Jesus's own siblings didn't speak up, no one else would.

Luke 4:43 Jesus left to fulfill his mission; beginning with calling His disciples.

It's always best to read from scripture what was historically happening at the moment. John 1:5

REVELATION 22

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of this book .....

What happens to those whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the Book of Life?

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.

Acts 22:1 And it shall COME TO PASS, that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be save.

God Bless YOU!

Apparently from commentary preparing the outside property and analyzing sufficient resources are available before building a house. This reminds us of Christ admonishing us that people will mock if we build a tower and don't have enough money to complete the work. ( Luke 14:28-30). Clearly; financial planning needs to be sufficient along with resources when undertaking any task; and this takes wisdom.

Proverbs 24:7

Wisdom [is] too high for a fool

It is out of his reach, he cannot attain it; natural wisdom, or the knowledge of many things in nature; at least it seems so to himself, and therefore will not take any pains, or make use of any means, to obtain it; as the knowledge of human laws; of medicine, of philosophy, of languages, or of any of the liberal arts and sciences; or he has not really a capacity for it. This is more especially true of spiritual wisdom, or of the knowledge of divine things in a spiritual way; or of the things Of the Spirit of God, which a natural man cannot know, because they are spiritually discerned; it is God only makes men to know this kind of wisdom in the hidden part, ( 1 Corinthians 2:14 ) ( Psalms 51:6 ) ; for as a "fool" here denotes a wicked man, let his natural parts be what they will; so wisdom spiritual knowledge, and experience of divine things, which is too high for an unregenerate man to reach;

see a like phrase in ( Psalms 139:6 ) he openeth not his mouth in the gate;

he is not qualified far it; and if he has any knowledge of himself, he will not venture to speak in a public assembly, in the house of parliament, in a court of judicature, or in the company of men of knowledge and sense; and indeed it is his highest wisdom to keep silence, and not betray his ignorance: and so with regard to spiritual things; a man that wisdom is too high for, and he has no share of it, shall not or ought not to open his mouth where Wisdom cries; even in the gates of the cities, or in the public assemblies of the saints, ( Proverbs 1:21 )

What does Genesis 25:9 mean?

Genesis 23 describes in detail Abraham's acquisition of the cave of Machpelah immediately following the death of Sarah. Now Isaac and Ishmael reunite to bury Abraham's body in that cave alongside Sarah.

Abraham had sent away Ishmael, along with his mother Hagar. Ishmael was 16 or so and Isaac was around two ( Genesis 21:8-14). Now the step-brothers would be somewhere around 89 and 75, respectively. Ishmael's presence at Abraham's burial may imply there was some contact between Isaac and his birth family over the years.

Despite this meeting to honor their father, God's prophetic remarks about Ishmael would prove true

( Genesis 16:11-12). Ishmael's descendants would become the Enemies of Israel.

Genesis 25:1-18 adds details before describing the deaths of Abraham and then Ishmael. Abraham has taken another wife, (not Hagar) other than Sarah, and has six sons with her. He gives them gifts but sends them all away to the EAST.

Isaac will be his sole true heir. Still, when Abraham dies and is buried at the age of 175, Ishmael joins Isaac for the funeral. Ishmael's 12 sons are listed, along with a description of the region their tribes settled in. Finally, Ishmael dies, as well, at the age of 137.

Hello nancy,

I believe it was twice. Once crossing the Red Sea after departing from Egypt in Exodus 14 and again when they crossed the Jordan River into the land promised to them in Joshua chapter 3.